RE: [SI-LIST] : What's your favourite Screwy SI Concept?

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From: Tom Dagostino (tom_dagostino@mentorg.com)
Date: Fri Jan 14 2000 - 09:12:13 PST


Bending a wire keeps a uniform cross section. Putting a corner in a trace
adds extra C at the corner from a larger area.

Tom Dagostino
ICX Modeling Group
tom_dagostino@mentor.com
503-685-1613

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-si-list@silab.eng.sun.com
[mailto:owner-si-list@silab.eng.sun.com]On Behalf Of Jian Zheng
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 4:33 PM
To: si-list@silab.eng.sun.com
Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] : What's your favourite Screwy SI Concept?

Hi, Doug:

Following are the comments I would like to make on right angle corners:

Normally, one bend should not create much radiation at relative low
frequency. The radiated power from a corner is normally very small compared
to the transmitted power when the trace to ground plane distance is much
smaller than one wavelength. Assuming your signal's frequency is 1 GHz and
you are using silicon substrate, one wavelength in free space is about 1
foot at 1 GHz. One wavelength in the silicon substrate is about 4 inches.
You do not need to worry about the radiation from the corners if your
substrate thickness is smaller than 0.2 inches (200 mils). The radiation
from a bend normall will be smaller than 1% of the transmitting power.

The problem is many bends. If one corner radiates 0.1% of the power, then 10
corners will radiate 1% of the power. 100 corners will radiate 10% of the
power. Not only that, the biggest problem is the resonances caused by the
corners. When you have multiple corners, there might be some reflection back
and forth to create resonances. When a resonance happens, it is possible
much of the power will be radiated.

Thanks!

Best regards,

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-si-list@silab.eng.sun.com
> [mailto:owner-si-list@silab.eng.sun.com]On Behalf Of Doug McKean
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 3:34 PM
> To: si-list@silab.eng.sun.com
> Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] : What's your favourite Screwy SI Concept?
>
>
> Well, to continue, here's another one that has
> me scratching my head frankly.
>
> SI Concept: Avoid Right Angle Corners in Traces
>
> Underlying Concept: Right Angle Corners in traces
> decrease signal integrity/
> increase emi ...
>
> Why It's Used: There may be some truth to it.
>
> Now, as far as Maxwell goes, we should see an
> increase in radiation. But as far as I've read
> and experimented, I just did a little mockup in
> the chamber moments ago, the effect is minor.
> It may in fact signify nothing.
>
> For instance, I take a six inch piece of wire,
> stick it in one end of a barrel connector and
> stick the other end of the barrel connector
> to a coaxial cable which is connected to the
> tracking generator of a Spectrum Analyzer.
> This is my output.
>
> >From 0 to 1.3 GHz I see a particular maximized
> profile on the SA at 3 meters. I then force a
> sharp right angle in the wire and maximize again.
> The profile at 3 meters has changed but slightly.
> but, this is far field.
>
> I disconnect the antenna, disable the antenna
> factors, connect directly to the SA a near
> field probe and measure along the wire. At the
> bend of the wire when compared to a straight
> geometry, there is approx (very hard to tell)
> a +3 dB increase. And there could be a host
> of errors here. But I would expect some sort
> of change.
>
> Now this might not say anything for emissions.
> As far as a tdr in concerned, I doubt it would
> show a significant change in impedance to worry.
> BUT, the change in near field amplitude makes me
> suspect a corresponding increase in crosstalk
> (perhaps minor) say in a bus architecture. A
> tight high speed bus architecture.
>
> The above experiment strictly an observation.
>
> Comments? - Doug McKean
>
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