Re: [SI-LIST] : IBIS Model Verification (correction)

Kellee Crisafulli ([email protected])
Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:09:04 -0700

Hi Weston, Stephen,

I need to modify a statement made by Stephen.
The "Free" IBIS model review is NOT for CAE users. It was
setup to assist model developers at the IC house with their
models. We DO NOT have the bandwidth to check models submitted
by users of all the CAE tools in the world.
We DO have the bandwidth to check models submitted by the IC houses.

If we had more volunteers we could expand this program into users.
I suggest a user network be created powered by other users that=20
volunteer. The "IBIS open user forum"

At 06:48 PM 9/9/98 -0700, Stephen Peters wrote:
>Hello Weston, others:
> =20
> I might mention that the IBIS open forum has recognized this problem
>of incomplete/messy models and has established an informal model review
>program. It's basic purpose is to provide feedback to
>the model creators on what they did or didn't do correctly. If you receive
>an IBIS model that you think is in error and want to have it checked out
>send it to Matthew Flora at [email protected] Several EDA vendors=
>support IBIS have volunteered to give submitted models the once over --
>including running them with their simulators. (Obviously, if your model is
>unreleased or otherwise confidential you will need to obtain the proper
>NDAs...see Matthew for details).
>I hope this helps.
> Regards,
> Stephen Peters
> Intel Corp.
> Vice Chair EIA-IBIS Open Forum
>> Abe,
>> Valid point! I am an IBIS consumer too. And I'm getting tired of
>> messy, incomplete, and blatantly wrong IBIS files. I do the same as
>> you. I run ibis_chk and then look at each VI and VT curve with
>> ibisplot. About 90% of the files I receive require some fixing on my
>> side. It appears that many people are creating IBIS files with very
>> little understanding of the specification. Just because s2ibis ran
>> without errors does not guarantee a good IBIS file! I think the best
>> we can do right now is to tell the suppliers about the errors that we
>> find in their files. Most of them want to learn how to do it right,
>> and will gladly accept suggestions when presented tactfully.
>> Here are some of the flags I look for:
>> s2ibis 0.91BETA (!!! WARNING !!!)
>> no Vmeas, Cref, Rref, or Vref
>> clamp curves left in pullup and pulldown (s2ibis)
>> pullup and pulldown curves not crossing 0,0
>> 2 significant digits (s2ibis) causing stairstep curves
>> I don't want to take away from the massive amount of work done in
>> developing s2ibis. It can be a great tool if you know how to use it.
>> Don't just run it without understanding what it does. I changed some
>> things I didn't like in the code and use it internally when I have
>> spice models.
>> I was saying just yesterday that we need an ibis_fix program to look
>> for the common errors and try to fix them. EDUCATION is the only real
>> answer.
>> Regards,
>> Weston Beal
>> > Thank you in advance for your response.
>> >=20
>> > Best Regards,
>> >=20
>> > Abe Riazi
>> > SI Engineer
>> > Anigma, Inc.
Have a great day....
Kellee Crisafulli at HyperLynx
SI,EMC,X-talk and IBIS tools for the Windows platform
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