Re: [SI-LIST] : Package Parasitics Modelling

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Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:48:06 +1000

There is a little bit shock to me when I read your message. In
our company, a new process or a new library must be qualified
by a real product, abeit both can be made with the same pilot
run. Although not all the io cells can be put in the
sample product,, that will be ok because they share the same
scheme of ESD design. We will have to negotiate to our
quality manager just if you need to change a metal
mask and claim that your new design is till said to be qualified.
(Usually metal connection has less to do with the basic

Raymond Leung

Lynne Green <[email protected]> on 30/03/99 11:09:45

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10K protection??? Many of the 0.25um-and-under processes get 1K to 4K.

Watch your library suppliers (in-house or custom). Some say "designed to
but do not tell you what they actually achieve. Sometimes, the first ESD
results come from customers (i.e. you!), not their own tests. (This is for
reasons: 1. They don't do test wafers on every process and every I/O cell,
2. Designers want to use the libraries today, not wait 3-6 months for ESD

Also re edge rates: some interface specifications include edge rate
requirements (such as PCI 3.3V, which is 1-4 V/nsec). Edge rates are often
limited at the I/O to reduce ringing amplitudes and improve settling time.
This is an old trick borrowed from telegraph and telephony technology.

Lynne Green
Signal integrity engineer (available for hire, thanks to Duet
resume available on request.

On 29-Mar-99 Christian S. Rode wrote:
> Still, 3 ohms (?) is much better than 0.05 ohms. I guess I wrote that
> last message from an obsolete perspective. In days gone by I think
> they intentionally used to add a poly serpentine resistor (over thick
> field oxide) to limit the discharged current. How they get to 10KV
> input protection today is beyond my ken.
> A modern model might then be 3 ohms in series with
> protection diode capacitance + 100 ohms (several squares of
> 20 ohm /sq diffusion/poly) in series with the input gate capacitance
> (negligible?)
> tomda wrote:
>> "diodes" can easily get to over 100 mA before the voltage across the
>> is 1 volt.
>> Tom Dagostino
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christian S. Rode [SMTP:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 11:16 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] : Package Parasitics Modelling
>> A question about IBIS input models. I assume a good portion of the
>> capacitance
>> of these models (C_comp) is associated with the input protection
>> and that
>> there can be significant resistance between that capacitance and the
>> That's
>> not modeled in (earlier) IBIS models (and the EIA FAQ's "it's included
>> in the I-V characteristics" isn't relevant). 50 milliohms (or
>> for R_pkg will
>> give an unnaturally high-Q for the input model. What would be a range
>> numbers for
>> R between the L and C? (I'm currently guessing 100 ohms)
>> Chris Rode

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