Description This group is dedicated to working open access issues in local government, particularly public safety radio communications. 1 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Oct 30, 2000 2:05am Subject: Outrageousness in Alachua County tdave365@... Send Email Send Email Thanks to JOHN LINKO for the following link. I do not have time now to go into my editorializing on this. I'll be posting this to the Openness site. Note the journalist's address at the bottom of this article. Friday, October 27, 2000 New police, fire radios off-limits to media By RAY WASHINGTON and CINDY SWIRKO Sun staff writer A school shooting, a factory fire, a high-speed police chase through the heart of downtown -- residents are used to getting their public safety news fast from the news media that monitor police and fire radios and react quickly. But that will end in Alachua County. Prompt public notice of police and fire agency actions will be curtailed by a little-known board's decision Thursday to limit the public's access to a new emergency radio system. The decision by representatives of the county's main police and firefighting agencies denies the media and the public the codes for a new digital communications system that cannot be accessed by police scanners. Media organizations said the decision will deny the public timely and complete information. "It's a tremendous disservice to the public," said WCJB-TV 20 News Director Harvie Nachlinger. "It's going to hamper our abilities to quickly and accurately report to the citizens what is going on in Alachua County." The decision was made by the Radio Management Board. The board was created under a government contract between Alachua County and the city of Gainesville, the two primary users of the system. The 5-1 decision binds all agencies using the system. "The board determines system access for the system," said Brad Barber of GRUCom, which owns and operates the radio transmitting equipment. The board also voted 6-0 to inform the media of its decision and of other sources of information, including public information officers. A question of control Among the agencies opposed to media access were Gainesville Fire Rescue and Alachua County Fire Rescue. They believe the public could get confidential medical information if access were granted. Emergency medical communications between dispatchers and paramedics can currently be heard on scanners. Typically, that includes the age, gender and condition of a patient, but not the patient's name. Alachua Fire Chief Will May said rescue agencies cannot stop the monitoring of those communications because they are on scanner channels that use easily accessible public airwaves. May said the new system puts fire agencies with ambulances in a bind. They've purchased a system only they control, and it's unlawful for them to give the public the means of accessing potentially confidential medical information, May said. "You can buy a VHF scanner and go to the FCC and get a listing of our frequencies anytime you want. We can't control that," May said. "But we are going to a digital system that we can control. We would have to provide the access to information that the law says we must protect as confidential." The University Police Department also opposed public access to the codes. Chief Everett Stevens did not return phone messages left at his office. Gainesville Police and the Alachua County Sheriff's Office believe the media should be able to continue to monitor police and fire activities. "We have a very open relationship with the media, and everything we are doing is nothing that we are afraid of anybody hearing," Police Chief Norman Botsford said. "Generally, it makes it easier for us if (the media) hears it on the radio and responds quickly. It saves us time in trying to notify you, and information probably gets out quicker and more accurately," he said. Speed and accuracy The law enforcement and fire agencies have public information officers who usually notify the media of major events. However, some incidents slip by or the notification is not timely. Last week, for instance, a man tried to kidnap a Kanapaha Middle School student near the school about 8 a.m. The sheriff's office did not issue a media alert until about 3:30 p.m. Instead, reporters, editors and news directors for decades have relied on scanners to learn immediately about crimes, fires and other disasters. News professionals say the faster they get information, the faster it can be passed to the public through the Internet, television or radio. Reporters also learn details from scanners that public information officers may not be aware of. That provides the public with a more complete account of an incident. For instance, in a sheriff's pursuit of a rental truck through Gainesville this month, the media learned from the scanner -- not from spokespeople -- that a deputy fired two shots at the truck from a median in a busy street. The shooting was ruled justifiable days later. "We believe it is a terrible policy to exclude the public and the press from monitoring police, safety and fire operations," said Jim Osteen, executive editor of The Gainesville Sun. "Relying solely on spokespersons, paid by the various agencies, for information is not in the public interest. To make a decision of this kind without full and fair discussion of the ramifications is unbelievable." The new system relies on public airwaves but allows public agencies to scramble or encrypt the signals. Monitoring of police and emergency communications is necessary to learn the effectiveness of an agency in responding to calls, said Rebecca Daugherty of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, a national media advocacy group. "Denying access would interfere very greatly with the media's ability to cover police and fire, and the public probably has no greater interest in an area a newspaper covers than those," Daugherty said. "One of the reasons the public has grown to trust police is because of police scanners -- their minute-to-minute communications is out there for the public to see. It will assure the public the police are behaving as they should or, if they are not, there will be story after story about it," she said. While scanners are a tool for reporters, they are a hobby for many members of the public. "A lot of customers just like to know what is going on. A lot of them used them in the military," said Richard Peavy of the Archer Road Radio Shack. "It's not so much that they like to go and check out the scene, it's just that they like to know what's going on. I think it's the fact that they know what's going on before most other people do." No assumptions Osteen said The Sun will explore all options to remedy the situation. However, the ultimate decision about who has radio access may rest with local elected officials. "I wouldn't assume a decision staff has made is necessarily a final decision," City Commissioner Pegeen Hanrahan said. "We always need to be cautious about excluding the press because it is an important part of our democracy," she said. "On the other hand, during the student murders there were some issues with the media knowing who the victims were before the families of the victims. It's probably not black and white." Still, Hanrahan said, "If it has been open all this time and there have not been any problems and there has been more accurate reporting of the news, I think it is something that needs to be reviewed." Cindy Swirko can be reached at 374-5024 or at swirkoc@.... Ray Washington can be reached at 374-5026 or at washinr@.... 2 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Oct 31, 2000 1:07pm Subject: Editorial Response tdave365@... Send Email Send Email Here is one response that ran in the Gainseville newspaper on the 29th. It was pointed out by Bill Orrico (hope I spelled that right). I'll post this link to the site as well. Thanks Bill!: Sunday, October 29, 2000 Sun Editorial: The secret police -- The taxpayers have shelled out millions of dollars for a new, state- of-the-art digital emergency dispatch system for police, fire-rescue and other public safety agencies in Alachua County. And now that they have it, the bureaucrats who run the system intend to lock the public out. The message that the Radio Management Board sent this week in refusing to allow the news media access to its encrypted system was simply this: Taxpayers, mind your own business. If we think there's something you ought to know about what we're doing, we'll send a press release. That's not acceptable. Police officers and fire and rescue worker are just about the only public employees who literally have the power to make instant life or death decisions. News reporters have always been able to scan police and fire frequencies to find out when emergencies - a bank robbery, a fire, traffic pileups - occur. It is the job of reporters to pass on what they learn to their readers, listeners and viewers; to the public, to the taxpayers. And although police and fire fighters might not always welcome the media's presence on the scene, the "watchdog" function reporters perform does nonetheless help to maintain public confidence in the professionalism of law enforcement and fire and rescue agencies. (To their credit, both Sheriff Steve Oelrich and GPD Chief Norman Botsford support continued public access to emergency dispatch.) Will public confidence long hold now that the system has gone undercover? With official silence, will there inevitably come the temptation to cover up acts of incompetence at the scene of a disaster, or police misconduct? Can taxpayers continue to trust their public safety employees to make life and death decisions when technology turns the police force into secret police? We think the Radio Management Board has made a terrible error of judgment in deciding to lock the people out of the public's business. We trust Gainesville and Alachua County commissioners will quickly intervene on behalf of their constituents; and on behalf of open government. 3 From: "David Pinero" Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 3:37am Subject: First they ignore you. tdave365@... Send Email Send Email I don't mean to put anyone off politically on this list. Most of you know I prefer a socialist society to what we have now. Somehow I think it's closer to what God had in mind in planting billions of humans on a floating rock in space like Earth, and then cutting them loose to compete for limited resources. I mean, isn't it a better "test" for humanity? The way I figure it anyone can be a good capitalist. All you have to do develop a universally accepted sociopathy against those less fortunate, justify enslaving'em, killing'em, or simply imprisoning them, and you've got it down pat to do whatever you gotta do to get that two-car garage. I think God figured most people would do THAT by default, while only the truly evolved would take up the struggle and go socialist. However, the whole "planned economy" thing of conventional socialism turns me off and so while hovering very close to it, I ain't no socialist. Instead, this political season I latched on to Nader. He's got that whole anti-corporate thing going without wanting to turn us into commies. It's a moderate quasi-socialist platform I can appreciate. Sorry God. Okay, so I tuned into Nader and subscribed to his online newsletter. You have to appreciate the whole underdog spirit of Nader! One of his online messages sent to his supporters opened up with a quote by Ghandi - the Indian guy who promoted peaceful resistance. It read "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." Let's face it...can't the entire Openness campaign relate? Being a somewhat nerdy and indepependent guy my entire life I can tell you this is an extremely accurate synopsis. It perfectly predicts the pattern of just about everything a nerdy (or Nadery) guy has to go through in order to make his point. Of course Ghandi is some kind of idealist because, fact is, you don't USUALLY win as an underdog. Most of the time you fail exactly as predicted and are left holding the legal bill for having even tried. There's supposed to be something really nice, fuzzy, and rewarding, about having tried though, and I suppose that's what keeps guys like us going. I dunno. But here's an interesting case. Sometime last year I typed to the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office in Florida that they should let average citizens run tag numbers to see if the car rudely parked in their parking spot was stolen. You know: It's part of the whole distributed notification thing. The basis of which is to turn every citizen into an eye and ear in tangible ways that would keep criminals guessing. In fact, if everyone had a police scanner, and every public safety agency embraced open broadcasting, it would apply to everything - not just stolen cars. But in my e-mail message to HCSO I wrote that it struck me as a neat way to keep car thieves worried. In fact, on March 19, 1999 I posted to usenet about it (as Deja News reveals), apparently really eager to push the concept to SOMEONE. The response I got back from HCSO was...well, "Thanks for the input". In four words you could sort of hear the ignore and laugh part if you really listened. :) I don't know when and if there was ever a fight...but in concept, I seem to have won! I am happy to announce that Florida became the first state in this union to put online data related to stolen cars, boats, car and boat parts, and other property items. ALL of this data is completely searchable by any citizen armed with any tag number they happen to be suspicous about. And, HCSO includes its data. Here is a link to the press release: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/press_releases/20001010_pas_system.html Here is a link to the actual searchable databases: http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/ For those curious about the DejaNews post I referred to, here is the URL. It's long!: http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp? AN=526907841&CONTEXT=973048311.1613955090&hitnum=48 Were I a car thief...I can't imagine driving around with a stolen car or tag with over 500,000 cops around me. And THAT'S the point of distributed notification. Brilliant! Dave 4 From: "David Pinero" Date: Wed Nov 1, 2000 11:09pm Subject: Bert Action In San Antonio tdave365@... Send Email Send Email The following message was sent to me by one of the Openness list subscribers ("Bert"). Initially he tried to send this message to the list but of course it bounced. I need to remind all those currently subscribed to this list that the list is configured as an announcement only list. Members are no longer permitted to post messages for instant review by others. For anything anyone wants distributed to open broadcasting advocates, please use the open message forum at the Openness website. If you have news and information related to the cause, including information you specifically think I should share (like this posting), e-mail me that information at my public address of tdave365@... . Now for the submission. Bert advises that he sent this message to seven local news and media outlets. This is in regards to the Gainseville Sun article, and he cites it in his quest to keep channels open in San Antonio: Digital Secret Police? As you might already know, the City of San Antonio will soon implement a completely Digital Ericsson EDACS Radio system for use in public safety. Over the next 12 months, Police, Fire, EMS, and County personnel will move from their current Analog Motorola Radio System to this fully digital (and easily encryptable) multi-million dollar communications system. The contract has been signed, the press release is up on Ericsson's website, and a local Com-Net Ericsson contractor will be doing the work. October 2001 is the scheduled completion date. The Ericsson press release is dated 9/21/99 and can be found here: http://www.com-netericsson.com/html/press_room/press_index.htm Currently, there is no production-level radio frequency scanner capable of decoding the digital voice stream to be used in the new SAPD/SAFD EDACS system - and there probably won't be in the near future. As of this date, legislation has been passed to prevent the decoding of digital signals (Digital Millenium Copyright Act or DMCA), and outright signal decryption is already illegal. The only product capable of understanding voice traffic on the new digital system will be either a properly-programmed handheld Ericsson LPE200 radio (about $3000 each), or a similar but larger mobile unit that will be installed in police cruisers, fire trucks, and county vehicles. At this time, I know of no plans to make these radios accessible to the media or the public. So who cares, right? Well, as one of San Antonio's breaking news providers, I would expect a smidgen of interest in this semi-secret maneuver. After all, without the ability to monitor police and fire events in our city, how can your news be considered "current"? And if you are lucky enough to have the City provide you with a $3000 radio, consider how "watered down" and selective it might be. With the push of a button, the news media can be "locked out" of any active communication. Sound pretty bad? Well, here's where it gets worse. At least one Texas city, Corpus Christi, will be watching San Antonio to see how easily they implement "field-encryptable" radios. What this means is that when the fully-digital Ericsson Radio System goes into effect here in our city, some Police and Fire units (and possibly others) may choose to encrypt their communications. Based on how the public reacts to this move, other Texas Cities may see it as a precedent, and follow suit. The exact reasoning for encrypting a certain group of radio users remains to be determined (one might logically expect SAPD Vice Units to switch to encrypted communications to protect officer's identities, but what will the response from City Officials, local News Media, and the public be if Fire Department Chief's decide they want this functionality 24/7 as well? What about Police Dispatch?? Fire Dispatch? City Public Works?) Is this starting to sound a little conspiratorial? Over the past year, I've actively monitored our local police and fire departments with an off-the-shelf radio frequency scanner. The men and women of these agencies do an outstanding job that often goes unrewarded, but deeply appreciated by many silent listeners. This summer, I used my scanner to keep informed of spreading wildfires during our drought, and more recently, to avoid hazardous flash- flooding conditions on some of our city streets. But by far the most important lesson learned was how a little public information can go a long way if obtained in a timely manner (and not by watching it on TV the next day). Should we lose the ability to listen-in on our public safety agencies, what can we expect to hear under a "privileged-release" system? Perhaps, like Gainesville, Florida, we will be kept from listening to _any_ public safety radio communications: http://www.gainesvillesun.com/articles/2000-10-27a.shtml Even though I don't expect the City of San Antonio will do this, I've already received response from some public safety department heads hinting at a "closed" communications system in our future. If you are interested in learning more about this development, please reply to this email or contact me at the numbers listed below. 5 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 0:16am Subject: USA Today Article tdave365@... Send Email Send Email I hope everyone checks out an article running in USA Today. It initially deals with Chicago's effort to map crime online. It's a mundane topic since I've posted countless similar articles. What's really interesting, however, is the turn it takes about halfway through. The article begins to speak of how openness techniques are spreading among law enforcement agencies. I don't think there's a better time to be operating a web site about it! http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/cti770.htm Dave 6 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 3:09am Subject: Principles of Commitment & Seattle davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Welp, based on that flurry of discussion some months ago about the establishment of Open Broadcasting goals and objectives, and more directly Peter Szerlag's outline, I have written up and firmly posted the Open Broadcasting Principles of Commitment. At last we have something specific to evangelize to public safety. How close they come or don't come to these principles will be our sole measure of their commitment to openness. The principles can be reviewed at the website. Peter, wherever you are, personal e-mail messages to you have bounced. If you could fire me a message I'd appreciate it. Also, check out the latest example of live incident information being posted online. Could this be yet another "Seattle Example"? http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=121700&ID=s896630 See the live example at: http://www2.cityofseattle.net/fire/GetDatePubTab.asp (click the 'Today' icon). Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin (813) 971-4347 (Home) AOL Instant Messenger Address: TDAVE365 7 From: "David Pinero" Date: Wed Dec 27, 2000 5:12am Subject: Openness Headline Update davidpin@... Send Email Send Email DEFENSIVE GAINESVILLE REGIONAL UTILITIES DESPERATELY STRETCHES FLORIDA LAW Skip Manasco of Gainesville has apparently slapped together a defensive and decidedly bizarre interpretation of Florida's anti-scanner laws intended to keep them out of moving automobiles to keep them out of the public, period. So reads this article out of Gainesville that seems to portray a radio board entrenching itself against potential state inquiry into its decision to block citizens from listening in on taxpayer-funded public communications. Despite Manasco's "Joe Blow" interpretation of the law, the trend in many police departments is toward openness, not isolation. In reading the article, it appears that Manasco tries to slip by the "scanner-in-automobile" laws as a general law in some attempt to gain public acceptance of a potentially controversial decision. However, this is a highly unique interpretation and one that jeopardizes the safety of Gainesville citizens and public safety. http://www.sunone.com/articles/2000-12-26f.shtml WAKERFIELD POLICE POST FREQUENCY AT WEBSITE It is interesting to note that the Wakerfield Police Department of Massachusetts where seven people were recently killed in a mass shooting posts its primary scanner frequency on its main web page. There is no telling how this simple positive philosophy of openness may have contributed to the saving of lives during this tragic event - you'd have to get into every individual account of the story to know for sure. However, whether anyone benefited or not in this particular tragedy, it is still an excellent attitude by Wakerfield police. http://www.wakefieldpd.org/ Note to Openness list subscribers: In systematically addressing concerns addressed some months ago, I will send out headline updates in this format through 2001. Slap me if I get lazy and enjoy! Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin (813) 971-4347 (Home) AOL Instant Messenger Address: TDAVE365 8 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 3:10am Subject: Openness Headline Update davidpin@... Send Email Send Email SCANNER-LISTENING OFFICE WORKER TIPPED OFF TO SHOOTINGS The link as presented requires Egroups registration, but the entire post is presented below. David Chesler posted the following account in the Sme2 Egroups forum, a listserv devoted to scanning issues in Eastern Massachusetts. "I have an unprogrammed scanner in my office, and I quickly tuned to Wakefield PD, and to WBZ-AM on my broadcast radio. Just crowd control stuff on 471.7875, but there was an interesting interview around 1pm on WBZ-AM with some guy who worked in the office complex who listens to a scanner and thereby learned what was happening. I think he's the guy who grabbed all the keys and locked the doors to his office." http://www.egroups.com/message/sme2/1276 PRISONERS, PAROLEES LISTED ON WEB The benefits of public access to certain information online are weighed out in this article about the recent explosion of penal websites that provide information on state convicts and parolees. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001227/tc/inmates_online_2.html Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin (813) 971-4347 (Home) AOL Instant Messenger Address: TDAVE365 9 From: "David Pinero" Date: Fri Dec 29, 2000 2:12am Subject: Openness Headline Update 122800 davidpin@... Send Email Send Email TEXAS CONVICTS MAY NOW HAVE SCANNERS There's no denying it, bad guys will try to take advantage of open public safety communication. But disorganized opportunistic bad guys with scanners are repeatedly caught having never made effective use of them. In any event, there are a lot more good guys with scanners than bad. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/kprc/20001226/lo/277253_1.html MAN LISTENING TO SCANNER HEARS POLICE CHASING HIS WIFE There's no telling what the plugged-in citizen will hear scanning their local police. This story tells of one man who was alerted to a police chase thanks to his scanner, only to find out that the police were chasing his wife! http://www.jsonline.com/news/racine/dec00/scanner28122700.asp COMPUTERS TAKE MEGABYTE OUT OF CRIME Across America internet listservs are being used broadly by public safety to communicate with the public at large, or in specific groups. For instance, one police-run listserv might address business owners directly, while another citizens in a particular district or zip code. A listserv is the first thing outside a website public safety can do to take advantage of distributed notification. In some ways they are much more reliable than the popular "Reverse 9-1-1" systems which require someone to actually answer a telephone to definitively deliver an alert. http://www.channel4000.com/news/stories/news-20001227-155745.html Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin (813) 971-4347 (Home) AOL Instant Messenger Address: TDAVE365 10 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 4:11am Subject: Openness Headline Update 122900 davidpin@... Send Email Send Email CHINA APPROVES TWO PORTALS FOR ONLINE NEWS Those who follow the arguments of Openness.org are familiar with my endless comparisons between the oppression of free media in commie states like China, and in democratic societies like America. After all, it isn't that you are the citizen of a democratic or totalitarian society, it's that you're the citizen of a super power. As such, if China oppresses free media, then so must we - or at least we are tempted to. When local law enforcement bargains with local media outlets to provide access to public safety radio communication but excludes everyone else, it essentially and arbitrarily partners with corporate media at the expense of true openness and the free flow of information. This is one way that "our" system quashes "dissident" media when necessary. Open broadcasting helps to preserve the central theme of democracy by insuring that we all have an opportunity to report on and act on the very same information as everyone else. Not an elite few. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001229/wr/china_sinadotcom_dc_1.html STATE TO TRACK STOLEN PROPERTY ONLINE In many ways the State of Florida agrees with the principles of distributed notification. This article is a bit late but expressive of the positive attitude towards the potential for "14 million eyes" to assist Florida law enforcement in tracking down stolen vehicles, property, and wanted persons. Florida is the first state in the country to make such information searchable by the public at large. What's really flattering is that the FDLE says it got the idea from the Polk County Sheriff's Office who, in turn, runs one of the most informative police websites Openness.org credits today. However, guess who personally had long e-mail debates with the Polk County information officer back in 1998 when that county demanded a password to see information? Yours truly! I can't say the Openness campaign led to Polk County creating the best police site on the web, but we'll never know for sure I didn't! :) Never let it be said this online campaign stuff don't roll up hill! Anyway, this article from October underscores the value of an integrated society fighting crime. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/cti654.htm CONFIRMED: SCANNER USER TIPPED OFF TO MASSACRE IN HIS OWN BUILDING! In Gainseville Florida reasonably intelligent people are scratching their heads over whether or not the public at large needs access to public safety communication. Meanwhile, a crazed gunman is stalking the cubicles of his office building in Wakesfield Massachusetts systematically taking lives with an AK-47. In another part of that building at least one member of the "public at large" is being tipped off to the danger by his police scanner and locks the door to his own office. So ... did I mention?...in Gainesville reasonably intelligent people are wondering if scanners are good for the public at large. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/witn12272000.htm Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin (813) 971-4347 (Home) AOL Instant Messenger Address: TDAVE365 11 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 5:07am Subject: Openness Headline Update 123000 davidpin@... Send Email Send Email POLICE SCANNERS GAIN FOCUS IN MATTER OF THE TEXAS HOUDINI GANG This is just one of two major releases by mainstream media today tying in the Dec. 15 robbery of a Radio Shack wherein police scanners were stolen, and the Christmas Eve robbery of an Oshman’s Super Sports USA where an Irving police officer was killed by members of the now-infamous 7-member Texas Houdini Gang. Unfortunately the coverage is not helping the cause of Open Broadcasting which advocates continued public access to certain police radio communications. The perception of Irving police outside the media is even worse, and frankly, the stories are not that reassuring. According to a release at the Irving police website, officer Aubry Hawkins arrived within 3 minutes of the call coming in that the robbery was taking place. In a Dec. 29 story of the assault, a Ft. Worth Star-Telegram article reported that fellow officers in Irving are positive that Hawkins was ambushed - citing multiple shots from different angles. Irving Texas is listed on one scanning information website as using an analog Ericsson EDACS trunked radio system. Other mainstream reports indicate that the officer was killed as the convicts were escaping - which is historically the deadliest point of encounter with law enforcement during any robbery, scanners or no scanners. Openness.org will be monitoring this story closely. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/texas_criminals001229.html#1 BAD AND BOUGHT JOURNALISM FORM PARTNERSHIPS WITH PUBLIC SAFETY It's all of Open Broadcasting fears come true! This essay, which appears at the Florida Law Enforcement Public Information Officers Association (FLEPIOA) website, masterfully reinforces the argument that public safety communication agreements doled exclusively out to "accredited" news houses deflates the watchdog institution of the media. The is a popular mantra of the Openness Campaign. Playing arbitrary politics with public access to information creates an incentive for corporate media institutes to "play ball" or get out of town. Aside from all this, the essay affirms why all those cheap "on your side" spots that corporate media loves to sell always focus on small businesses and vulnerable arms of government rather than on the real antagonizers of consumerism (new car dealers, for example) or local public safety. Only open broadcasting and open systems level the playing field for everyone. http://www.flepioa.org/tvnews6htm.htm Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin (813) 971-4347 (Home) AOL Instant Messenger Address: TDAVE365 12 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 3:45am Subject: Openness Headline Update 010301 davidpin@... Send Email Send Email MAYSVILLE TO GET DIRECT ACCESS TO WEATHER RADIO Cities all over the country have weather radios ... why can't there be public safety radios that work on the same principle? Such radios would use a dedicated frequency or series of frequencies, like weather radios, and either openly broadcast simulcasts of public safety communication - or merely alert information which would use tones to activate special receivers in specific neighborhoods or zip codes. Along the same lines, take notice of such online utilities for 24-hour internet connections like Weatherbug (http://www.weatherbug.com), or MSNBC's News Alert. Programs like these sit in your system tray and "activate" whenever an alert is issued. Again, why not the same for public safety information? We can dream. :) (Note that extensive URL address may break in some readers) http://www.kentuckyconnect.com/heraldleader/news/010301/statedocs/03maysvill e-final.htm WHO MONITORS THE WATCHDOGS? It's fringe, but you know what: Openness.org predicts the rise of such groups (which this article says have been around forever in one form or other). As communities begin to successfully and without compromise close access to public safety communication, not to mention systematically outlaw videotaping and public witnessing, there may very well be the evolution of "guerrilla journalists". The guys in this story wear orange t-shirts and are more concerned about police brutality than closed systems. In my fanciful prediction on the matter 2 years ago I suggested they would wind up wearing yellow raincoats and be more obsessed with public closure. Fortunately for everyone this particular police department is apathetic to the group to downright positive towards them. The report reads "Tempe police Sgt. Randy Fougner said his department welcomes the scrutiny, and echoes the sentiments of many other officers about Copwatch." Also, Tempe currently openly broadcasts since the members of this group use scanners. Not too shabby. http://www.azcentral.com/news/0102copwatch02.html Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin (813) 971-4347 (Home) AOL Instant Messenger Address: TDAVE365 13 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 3:59am Subject: Openness Headline Update 010601 davidpin@... Send Email Send Email TOM REILLY ADMITS BLUNDERS REGARDING ACCESS TO PUBLIC RECORDS (APOLOGIZES ONLY TO MEDIA) Attorney General Tom Reilly in Massachusetts apologized to the media fatcats for denying media access to public information. The report does not indicate whether or not Reilly made any effort to apologize to the more violated public in general, or means to limit the scope of his lament to corporate newsgathering entities who typically digest and re-distribute otherwise free information for profit. Ohhh okay, I like the media when the media likes me. :) http://www.townonline.com/northwest/burlington/news/newALReilly_0104_9.html ABC NEWS REPORT MYSTIFIES COMMON POLICE SCANNERS IN TEXAS HOUDINI GANG This article concentrates more on the Texas Houdini Gang's use of police scanners. An entire section is devoted to the speculation that this organized group of convicted criminals is using scanners to keep one step ahead of the law. Contrary to the comments made in this report which would seem to mystify the source and presence of police frequencies, the publishing of police frequencies is public in most if not every state, not "some", and the publishing of police frequencies is abundant, not infrequent, on the web. In fact, some police departments post these frequencies themselves in recognition of the public benefit aspects. (Note: Extensive URL may break in some readers) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20010105/ts/texas_convicts_avoid_capture_wi th_savvy_1.html Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin (813) 971-4347 (Home) AOL Instant Messenger Address: TDAVE365 14 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 3:19am Subject: FW: Media Interaction davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Now I have to admit that I am really torn on this. The seven little bastards need to be caught before someone else dies. However... How is that we have to shutup when scanners (or distributed notification/awareness/Open Broadcasting principles) will essentially be used to help capture the escaped Texas convicts, as this communiqué' asks, yet authorities and the media have no problem focusing on and spreading speculative propaganda AGAINST the same. Look at the stories of the past week: CNN, ABC News, the ever-mysterious "Reuters" and "AP" news services that color local news content everywhere...the stories that have come out of these news agencies indicate the police have no problem reminding the public how scanners "might" have been used maliciously in this case. Radio scanners as tools are taking a beating right now so what exactly is wrong with an alternative headline that screams the balanced truth: POLICE SCANNISTS HELP CAPTURE CONVICTS. Think real hard before we give police and the uninformed corporate media a license to trample police scanners unchallenged even though we have the power to tell how they are actually helping. Forwarded text follows. Dave -----Original Message----- From: sentto-429410-148-978904212-davidpin=pobox.com@returns.onelist.com [mailto:sentto-429410-148-978904212-davidpin=pobox.com@... om]On Behalf Of worksntv@... Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 4:49 PM To: n2mca@... Subject: Media Interaction Rich: Rich: Something which is making the rounds--- Regards, Bob Reynolds WB3DYE Subj: Media Interaction Date: 01/04/2001 5:48:49 PM Eastern Standard Time From: kc5ugl@... (Forrest Haney Jr.) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: kc5ugl@... (Forrest Haney Jr.) To: SCAN-L@... >From: Lee Cooper >To: "Ed and Joan Cox (E-mail)" >Subject: Media Interaction >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:37:02 -0600 > > >Joan: Pls distribute to as many email list that you can immediately. > >To All Members: > >Recently there was an email sent out suggesting that HAMS in the state of >Texas monitor a number of Amateur, FRS and Business band frequencies for >suspicious activity. This message was in regards to the seven escaped >felons that have been in the news lately. In a recent Dallas robbery of a >Radio Shack several FRS and other two-way radios were stolen and may be >being used by these felons. > >Channel 24 has contacted us about doing a news story about Amateur radio >involvement in the search via this monitoring. While ARES thinks that >doing this is a great idea, TALKING about it to the press or others is >NOT. The OEM and the Texas Department of Justice is justifiably >concerned about making it public knowledge that these requests have been >made of our community. > >IF you are contacted by any members of the media or press, Please DO NOT >talk to them, but refer them to the ARES Public Information Office which >is Roger Wines, W5WIA. Roger can be reached at 453-2193. > >If you should hear anything that may be deemed suspicious DO not attempt >to take any actions yourself. Please contact Authorities immediately and >notify them of what you have heard. > >If you have any questions please email or call Lee N9YFK or Roger Wines >W5WIA. I can be reached at 615-2306 or pager 307-8317 > >Thanks, > >Lee Cooper N9YFK >Emergency Coordinator >Travis County ARES [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good 15 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 9:34pm Subject: RE: Re: DIGITAL INFO davidpin@... Send Email Send Email You make solid points Andy and that was a great post! I will only flame (more like flare) because you've only addressed the public safety perception in all of this. One aspect of the problem you haven't considered is this: Public safety wouldn't lock the public out completely. It would arbitrarily decide that certain people have legitimate access while others do not, setting the stage for corporate alliance and empowerment, VIP crony special interest privilege, and god knows what else. It would do that because it would probably decide that corporate publishers and mass-media broadcasters, for instance, were "legitimate" while, say, myself and my web-based newspaper focusing on issues in police brutality and the vices of corporatized media, were not. With the information provided to the parties of the 'approved list' growing off the easy content public safety provides, they would thrive and monopolize. Meanwhile, my voice would be minimized out of the market and my website run out of business. A solid corporate (read: ANY exclusive interest) perception would come to dominate the American mindset. I say, as long as we value our republic, that's a flat-out ideological disaster. Granted we're only taught to value democracy growing up and there's no saying we necessarily value it as cynical American adults. None of us generation Xers has actually died for democracy in staggering numbers and these days when it comes to choosing between living in a car-bounded gated community and striving for social fairness, most of us choose the former. Yet, if anyone has any semblance of concern against governmental or corporate oppression at all they HAVE to be for open systems to help prevent it. Open systems promote and maintain a level playing ground. It's bad enough when public systems go closed completely, but when public safety picks and chooses who keeps access and loses it, it's in many ways worse. Multiply that result by a hundred when it exclusively chooses private profit-oriented interests and VIPs. Everything you said as a public safety role-player makes perfect sense. But should it come down to JUST the public safety's perception of what ALL the working factors are? I think most public safety executives are thinking about the things you are on this matter. However, I bet none of them are thinking about the potential for enslavement - and that's pretty darned important to most of us! :) This issue goes far beyond what's good for public safety, the hobbyist, and the criminal. It needs to be heard at the legislative level by everyone before any more agencies go closed "quietly in the night". Will that ever happen? Who knows. You might say there are bits and pieces of this argument that wind through the system on the backs of other issues from time to time, but I don't think it has ever been considered from the dedicated perspective I bemoan. My campaign www.openness.org preaches that technological innovations actually free up public safety to openly broadcast their radio traffic more than ever - not the opposite. Agencies can set up more private channels, and more importantly, could even set up "community" channels. In fact openness.org likes the digital revolution just as much most PS agencies. :) True to your point keeping the primary dispatch channels open, and a few others, probably isn't Jesus or The Devil either way in terms of criminals. It's what it means in terms of the United States of America that might tip the scale here, so why not keep things as open as possible? Good post! Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin -----Original Message----- From: sentto-429410-176-983035899-davidpin=pobox.com@returns.onelist.com [mailto:sentto-429410-176-983035899-davidpin=pobox.com@... om]On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:32 PM To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DIGITAL INFO (snip) > > In my twenty eight years of Public Service Radio, I can give you many > incidents where a scanner listener has helped in their observation of crimes > or incidents that occurred. They saved lives and property in their hobby. > They also have shown an active interest in communications in not only > listening, but progressed to participate in communications through REACT, > Amateur Radio and SWL Monitoring. Most in the business of Public Safety do > not want to shut down the hobby. > > However, the great advances in Digital IMB two-way radio by > COM-NET(Erricson), Motorola and others allow Police, Fire, EMS in high noise > environments improve the quality of their lifelines. I am in the same boat, > as an active radio enthusiast. The manufactures of scanners and receivers > must get their act together and move quicker with the times. They must also > design upgradeable radios to allow such changes. > (snip) Just my 2 cents worth here: I've been monitoring public safety radio since 1969. I've been a dispatcher for 20 years, and can honestly say that I can count on one hand the number of times a scanner listener has called me to offer assistance. None of the callers provided any useful information. Maybe my experience is atypical, but I can only tesitify to what has happened to me. Over the years I have talked to dozens of other dispatchers with similar testaments. I hate to say it, but I don't think we scanner nuts make a difference. Someone out there can surely come up with an incident or two in which a scanner listener was instrumental in catching a crook, saving a life, etc., but in the overall scheme of things, our input isn't even a drop in the bucket. If my life was saved due to the actions of a scanner listener, I would be forever grateful, but if I was responsible for determining whether my department should go digital/scrambled, I would weigh all sides of the argument and come up with the answer according to the facts, and not from personal bias. The facts are that the benefits of making sure the citizens aren't shut out are inconsequential. That isn't saying that the relatively rare instance in which a scanner listener does a good deed is not appreciated. What that does mean is that for a department which puts out hundreds of call in an eight hour shift, the one time a month when a scanner listener calls in is not worth sacrificing other advantages which they would realize on a daily, if not hourly, basis offered by a digital system . Which of the following options would you, as Chief of Police, pick? One: A digital system that gives your department a bunch of badly needed new channels to assure that each officer can get on the air in an emergency, thanks to narrow-band digital technology, or: Two: Stick with the old analog system, assuring that citizens can monitor, so they can call in with information on a crime, etc. You would no doubt look at the numbers, and see that officers have emergencies WAY more often than scanner listeners call in with helpful information, and pick the first choice. You would be negligent to do otherwise. On the flip side, I can count even fewer incidents in which a crook used a scanner for his evil deeds. Therefore, I think is is equally as foolish to go digital or scramble for the express purpose of keeping the bad guys (and us) from listening in. It could be that there are numerous times when a crook uses the scanner to commit a crime, but since he gets away with it, we would never know about it. You can't count things you don't know about. In summary, there are great advantages to going to trunked and/or digital systems. Better use of the spectrum, more features, etc. (Assuming the damn thing works right!) The disadvantages are few. At the top of the disadvantage list, as I see it from a user standpoint, is when neighboring agencies can't communicate directly with each other. Here in the Kansas City area, most everyone was UHF or VHF for years. When some started going to different trunked systems, that problem began to rear its ugly head. It would be compounded with a digital system. Even though that is the major problem, it is not so insurmountable that it hasn't been worked around. At the bottom of the list are us scanner listeners. Public safety agencies don't see us as a great factor when it comes down to making a decision, and they shouldn't... because as I remarked before, we are not even a drop in the bucket. If all of the facts came in (and if EXCLUDING the scanner listener factor) all things were equal...I'd hope the agency would opt for letting us listen. But the advantages always end up being heavy on the opposite side of us. Think of it this way. The news group Scan-L is probably the largest one on the internet, and it has less than 600 members last time I knew. That isn't many people. Multiply that by what ever factor which would encompass all the hardcore listeners and the casual listeners, and I don't think you'd get enough of us to even come close to those in, say, the beanie baby hobby, or stamp collecting. Face it folks, we are a very small group. I don't want us to be shut off from listening to the scanner! Public service radio is not only my vocation, it is also my avocation. But, if the safety of my officers and their ability to perform their job is in question, I will ALWAYS pick whatever makes it easier/safer for them. Even though you and I are scanner nuts, we should always dismiss our desire to put our hobby interests over those of public safety. Personally, I think that when we cry foul about digital, and we cite incidents in which a scanner listener helped out, we are fooling ourselves. We are not truly concerned about stopping crime with the use of a scanner, we are really trying to save our hobby at the expense of an often badly needed new radio system. As I said before, scanner listeners can and do help out, but that is far outweighed by other factors. You gotta look at the big picture. Flame away! ;-) Andy Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 16 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:00am Subject: FW: opinion davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Sent to me, forwarded to all of you. ;) -----Original Message----- From: sjw [mailto:sjw3@...] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 6:42 PM To: Openness-owner@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Openness] opinion In January, 2001, there was a letter to the editor of the San Antonio Express News regarding privacy rights of police and certain types of reports. While I agree the safety of the officers is priority one, the rights of citizens to keep tabs on their tax dollars at work is a close second. My reply, which was shortened in the newspaper, goes like this: There have been a lot of words thrown back and forth recently about certain types of police reports being concealed from the public and the media's attempt to gain access to those reports. Former Oxnard, California Police Chief Robert Owens accuses the Express-News of playing “cop” in their attempts to allegedly undermine Chief Al Philippus’ disciplinary authority. Owens asks who's interested in these reports? The fact is that a lot of people in San Antonio care about what goes on behind the shield. These secret reports are just the beginning of what could become a secret police force operating with our tax dollars. Let me explain. Starting sometime in 2002, the city and county are going to a digital radio system. This system is being touted as the savior to all radio ills being experienced since the present system was installed in 1987. With a digital system, however, no scanner can pick up the transmissions. That means police and fire units can operate in near complete privacy from the public’s ears. I say near, because the police and fire department will have a new absolute power. They will be able approve or deny certain groups to purchase and have programmed in the new units, certain frequencies . In other words, if the Express-News wants to hear what's going on from the West Patrol District, but the police department doesn't want them to have that frequency, the Express News is out of luck. With the system currently in place, that's not a problem. Newspapers in cities where digital systems have been installed are already raising questions about what's being said on the radios that cant be monitored. Some newspapers have questioned whether this has become a breeding ground for police racism in their communities. In Florida, a Statewide Radio Board has been set up which allows the sale of digital equipment to approved Governmental agencies and Neighborhood Watch groups. In San Antonio, Cellular on Patrol groups, if approved, would have to spend upwards of $5000 per radio to be allowed to listen to what's going on in their neighborhood. The C.O.P groups I'm familiar with don't have that kind of money in their treasuries. For scanner hobbyists who think a digital scanner will be showing up in their local electronics store soon, forget it. Wireless telephone companies are putting the pressure on Congress, who in turn is putting pressure on the FCC, not to certify production of digital scanners. That means for the large number of us who listen to scanners for recreation, not to commit crimes, our hobby is about to end. In a society that demands openness from our government, this seems like a step backwards. Maybe the 21st century isn't as user friendly as its cranked up to be. sjw 17 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 4:26am Subject: Media Agent Challenges Digital Implementation... davidpin@... Send Email Send Email It's great when a member of the corporate media homes in on key Openness.org arguments (don't worry Bob, I haven't forgotten you! LOL). The following was just sent to me. I take this to be an editorial that recently played on WPTA Television in Ft. Wayne, Indiana. Victor Locke is bylined as the assistant news directory in the message, but is listed as a news anchor at the WPTA website. Towards the bottom he makes the gratifying point that police can disable issued digital radios "when they get angry". The police reassure him not....:) What I like about this piece is that he is making his comments AFTER his station has already been assured some kind of access. To him, thankfully, it doesn't matter. He still questions how good this is for the PUBLIC not to mention how flimsy the access they're getting is. Now this is just good journalism. It seems to me that some of these "police are going digital" stories are just front brunts for the media house running it. The idea is to make a stink just loud enough to maintain their own access (conveying to the police 'we can make real trouble here if you don't keep us in the loop'), then drop it once the frightful, reassuring call, comes in from the chief of police the next day. Phooey on the public question. Luckily that doesn't seem to be the case here. Victor wants answers that run deeper than that! The website listing him is at: http://www.wpta.com/em/ You can send him an encouraging word at the posted e-mail address of: victorl@... Though he doesn't cite it, he sounds as if he's been to Openness.org and understands our own concerns. THE EDITORIAL: COMMUNITY POLICING, UNDONE!!! SECRET SIGNALS HURT JOURNALISTS AND THE PUBLIC!!! By Victor Locke Assistant News Director WPTA-TV Ft. Wayne, Indiana Millions of taxpayer dollars are being spent by police agencies in our community, and around this country to implement the so-called "community policing" model. This involves getting officers into neighborhoods and communities, recruiting public participation in the fight against crime. At the same time, there is a growing trend by communities to spend millions of tax dollars to isolate police and public service agencies from the very people they serve. This is what's happening in Fort Wayne and Allen County, Indiana. What I'm talking about is the movement to digital public service radio. HOW IT WORKS If you are unfamiliar with encrypted public safety communications, I offer this primer. Police, fire, ambulance and other public safety/service communications which the media and public in general now listen to are mostly broadcast on VHF or UHF radio frequencies which you can listen to on scanners usually costing $300 or less. Monitoring these transmissions allows us in the media to respond to news stories and emergencies, to provide information to the public in a timely fashion. Members of the public who listen to these radios often provide important information to police agencies to help in the fight against crime. Most people equipped with these scanners are good, law-abiding citizens, often members of their own neighborhood crime-watch program. Some who listen are the very people police try to catch, using scanners to detect police actions while committing crimes. Right now you can listen to these transmissions because they are "analog", which basically means the human voice is electronically transmitted and received. Several manufacturers of public safety radio systems, Motorola in particular, have developed so called "state of the art" systems, which now send "digital" rather than "analog" transmissions in very high frequency ranges. In a digital system, your voice is literally converted into tiny bits of data by a computer. That data is then broadcast over the airwaves to a receiver/computer, which reassembles it into a "clone" of your voice, much the way data travels over the internet. Right now, the only way these bits of data can be turned back into an understandable human voice is if the radio you use to receive the signal is "keyed" to decipher the encrypted message. PLUSES VS. MINUSES So what are the benefits of these systems? *The "800 Mhz trunking" systems, as they are called, do offer benefits for public safety agencies when it comes to coordinating their radio communications, whether the system is digital or analog. *The digital "voice" reassembled by the receiver is clearer, better sounding, much like your digital cellphone sounds better. But that's about the end of the benefits beyond what other technology is presently available. What are the negatives? *Radio scanners as we know them would be rendered useless. *Police officers in danger may go unheard if their digital radio signal is weak. With digital radios, the voice is either there or it isn't while with an analog radio, a weak signal from an officer in trouble could still be heard and help could be sent. *Media and the public at large will no longer be able to monitor activities of their public safety agencies. This could result in significant problems in disaster situations, place public safety at risk and result in numerous other problems. This impacts not just the media, but the public at large. *In Fort Wayne, Deputy Police Chief Mike Bedwell, who is in charge of the 800Mhz program, says local media outlets will be able to purchase radios which can be coded so we can listen to transmissions. These radios will cost almost $3000 apiece and can also be remotely disabled by police. There are no assurances police won't "turn off" media agencies which anger them, though Bedwell assures me they won't. That is here and now. What about in other communities, and later? *In some of the few communities where digital communications have already been embraced, the media has been refused access to monitoring these radios. *Police agencies are quick to point out, digital radio's will allow them to operate in secret when necessary, an ability they already have and use for such activities as drug raids. Should millions of taxpayer dollars be spent for a "better mousetrap." I'm all for giving police officers and public safety agencies the tools they need to perform their jobs safely and efficiently. I'm not convinced the millions about to be spent here and across the country to convert to digital public safety radio is money well spent. The negatives outweigh the positives. I don't expect police agencies moving to digital radios will abandon their plans. It may take action by the Federal Communications Commission or Congress, to keep open this door for monitoring and participating in public safety functions in ours and thousands of communities. END EDITORIAL Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin 18 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 4:40pm Subject: Major Article Shows Mainstream Media May Be "Getting It" davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Thanks to Bill Orrico for sending along the following article which found itself posted at strongsignals.net. Note that a major media- rights group appears to be extending itself to "freelancers" and "student journalists", which is a welcome relief. Folks, to even be watching this debate evolve nationally, puts you in the front row seats of history. ;) Dave Secure police communication protested Digital radio systems shut out helpful public By Karen Balsley The Journal Gazette Don Stilwell once helped police catch a criminal. While driving on DeWald Street and listening to his portable police scanner a few years ago, he heard officers receive a call of a burglary at a nearby house. Stilwell drove by the house, heard an engine start up, and jotted down the license plate number of what turned out to be the crook's car. Stilwell, a Fort Wayne resident, would never have known the crime was taking place had it not been for his scanner. His crime-fighting days, however, might soon be over. With a new digital 800 megahertz system developed by Motorola slated to be in place locally by late fall, the public will no longer be able to listen to police, fire, and other agencies' transmissions in Fort Wayne and Allen County. The Society of Professional Journalists, a national organization that works to protect First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech and press, believes this kind of radio communication system "impedes the public's right to know and the media's role as a watchdog of the government." There is no state statute, however, that says the public has the right to listen to radio traffic of government agencies. No store-bought scanner invented to date is capable of picking up digital communication traffic. Only the radios designed for a specific agency's system can be used to listen in on police, fire and other emergency traffic using digital technology. Local officials have pledged to cooperate with local media and allow them to purchase police radios - which cost several thousand dollars each. Having lived in a household with a scanner since he was a teen-ager, Stilwell views the act of keeping tuned into police and fire radio traffic less as a hobby than as a call of duty. "The police department can't do everything by itself," he said. "Without the public's help, a lot of things aren't going to be solved." Digital vs. analog Fort Wayne and Allen County's communications centers now use what are called analog systems. That means voices are transmitted over the airwaves, where they can be picked up by any radio or scanner in the area programmed to pick up the right frequencies. The new system planned for the area uses digital technology. It will also use airwaves to transmit information, but instead of sending out actual voices, a computer inside a radio or the dispatch center first turns voices into streams of data. The encrypted data are reconstructed in the form of the speaker's voice when they are received by the computer in the listener's radio. When that data is picked up by scanners or radios that are not part of an agency's communications system, a high-pitched squeal will be heard rather than voices, said Chief Deputy Mike Bedwell, director of Fort Wayne communications. Fort Wayne and Allen County operate off two dispatch centers and have been working for years to develop a joint communication system. While the two will remain separate, county and city workers will have the ability under the new system to communicate directly to one another via hand held radios. Currently, a county officer who wants to get a message to a city officer must contact county dispatchers, who then telephone the city dispatchers, who in turn relay the message to the city officer over the radio. The digital system can also be expected to improve sound quality and eliminate a lot of background noise and static, Bedwell said. The state is working on developing a similar system that would allow such communication between agencies at local, county, and state levels. Meanwhile, Allen County and Fort Wayne will be keeping some of its analog equipment for use of non-emergency agencies, such as the street department, and use it to communicate with other counties, Bedwell said. Digital communication technology is the way of the future, according to Bedwell. Across the country, including in some counties in Ohio, government agencies are replacing analog systems with digital systems. A number of local officials say they are not necessarily in favor of preventing the public from listening in on police and fire radio transmissions, though they admit that doing so has its benefits. "For the most part, the people who listen to scanners are supportive of police; they're our best friends," Allen County Sheriff Jim Herman said. "I have no problem with people having scanners, and I'd be happy to have them listen." Shutting out the public There is an ongoing debate as to whether private radio transmissions among government agencies is beneficial or detrimental. A closed system, some officials argue, would prevent crime suspects from hearing law enforcement tactics first-hand. Others say closed systems prevent curious onlookers from cluttering up a crime or accident scene and impeding police, fire or other emergency personnel in doing their job. Digital systems are encrypted by nature, but law enforcement officials nationwide have expressed concern over communications systems that criminals can easily hear, said Keith Kemmerline, assistant architect with Motorola. The company kept those concerns in mind when designing its newest system, he said. An example of that safety concern was shown by seven men who broke out of the John B. Connally prison south of San Antonio on Dec. 13. Two days after their escape, two of them robbed a Radio Shack near Houston, taking, among other items, a number of police scanners. On Christmas Eve, all seven allegedly robbed a sporting-goods store near Dallas, killing one officer. They then eluded officials for several more weeks. Proponents of an open communication system, however, say the media and the tax-paying public have the right to monitor government agencies and argue that law enforcement agencies already have the ability to transmit confidential information. The Society of Professional Journalists' Cincinnati's Pro chapter issued a letter to government officials of Clermont County, Ohio, protesting implementation of a $12 million, 800 megahertz radio system. "Scanner traffic can alert the media to situations as routine as a traffic accident to as serious as a manhunt for a killer," wrote Tim Bonfield, president of the Cincinnati Pro chapter. "We believe most police organizations already have the ability to quietly communicate sensitive or tactical information. We challenge law enforcement agencies in Clermont County and others that may be considering similar policies to demonstrate how public scanners have impeded law enforcement and to justify why these concerns would outweigh the long-established public interest in maintaining openness in government activities." Fort Wayne police have had digital capabilities since 1998 in the form of laptop computers in their squad cars, Bedwell said. Dispatchers can also make voice channels private in emergency situations, he said. Steve Key, a counsel for governmental affairs with the Indiana State Press Association, pointed out that there is no law stating that government agencies must allow the public access to its radio frequencies. "SPJ's point is the public's ability to monitor the normal radio traffic allows them to keep up on the efficiency of law, fire, and emergency services," Key said. "By cutting off that ability to monitor, it makes it more difficult for the public and media to make intelligent determinations on how the police (and other agencies) are doing." `A market for it' While Allen and Clermont counties have vowed to provide media with access to encrypted communications that the public will not have, the Society of Professional Journalists argues that many media organizations, student journalists, photographers and free-lancers will not be able to afford the new equipment. Radios like those used by the Fort Wayne Police Department, which Bedwell has been working to secure for the purchase of local media, cost about $3,000 each. Herman agrees with Stilwell and other scanner enthusiasts that the public can serve as a watchful eye for the authorities. Herman said there have been cases in which a vehicle being sought by officers has gone by the home of someone listening to a scanner and that listener has been able to help officers pinpoint where the vehicle had gone. Many times, however, citizens with good intentions can lead officers to the wrong car or in the wrong direction, thinking they've spotted a suspect, Herman said. Dave Diehl, a reserve officer for the Angola Police Department and a former Angola firefighter, supports the idea of a closed communication system and would like to see Steuben County make the move to digital technology. "The digital system provides more of a secure method of transmission, and you don't get the onlookers at an accident scene when it's close to their home," Diehl said. "It takes four minutes to clutter up a fire scene on a quiet country road with spectators who heard it all on their scanner, making it dangerous for fire personnel to cross a road and get water to the scene. "On the same token, (with a closed system) officer safety is not compromised when serving warrants because the `bad guy' has no idea that you just surrounded his house." However, Diehl, who also works for a Radio Shack in Angola, added that the public would lose out on hearing what roads might be closed and about what havoc the weather may wreak. He said the store sells about four or five scanners a week, and sales tend to go up around tornado season or whenever bad weather hits. While digital scanners will not be available when the digital system comes to Allen County, many believe they will be someday. "I'm sure with the technology, someone will find a way to get around it," Stilwell said. Kemmerline, Motorola's assistant systems architect, agrees, guessing such scanners could be available in less than 10 years. If and when that technology develops, he said, Motorola will look into providing software that would keep criminals from being able to listen. He did not forecast much resistance on Motorola's part in continuing to keep the general public from hearing digital radio traffic. "Someday, they will invent digital scanners," he said. "I don't see why not. There would be a market for it." -------------------------------- PUBLISHED SUNDAY, MARCH 11, 2001 19 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 5:27am Subject: Subscriber Posting Reenabled, Paranoia Ever-Present! davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Well, in a dilemma that takes on the very characteristics of our cause, I find myself between a rock and a hard place on the issue of whether or not to allow subscriber posts to the Openness.org listserv. Much like the honest question policy makers face of whether or not to continue openly broadcasting public safety communications even though there will be a class of consequences to either conclusion, I am now deciding to re-open the Openness.org listserv itself. As I alluded in the message sent out prior to closing the list, the need to protect the reputation of the Openness.org message, easily hijacked intentionally or unintentionally when there is an internet free-for-all, struck me then as outweighing the benefits of free exchange among genuinely interested parties through this forum. In making this choice I cannot say that I have any new idea or approach to curb de-focusing. After all, who can counter centuries of experience by those in the business of political, corporate, or ideological oppression? Certainly not the guy who runs the Openness.org website. Misrepresentation could happen save whatever I am able to clarify but that's the risk we'll take. Rather, I have a new perspective and a much more aggressive personal awareness that allows me to comfortably coexist with the possibility of provocateurs polluting or re-directing the cause into dangerous waters. In all likelihood the entire HOBBY of radio monitoring and ancillary factions of that are being officially penetrated now like never before. In the framework of that much greater effort Openness.org is probably not so special as to require being overly concerned into taking measures that exceed the norm. This cause is only a slightly different animal in that it speaks to a philosophy rather than technical gee-wizardry or the dissemination of monitoring information. As part of my personal effort at at least deterring or negating such influences, Openness.org is going to actively participate in the distribution of information spotlighting the established history of such attempts, devoting part of its online shelf space to links to information and resources documenting these things. The objective will be pretty simple: To participate in conveying as reasonably as possible to newcomers and conventional non-activists that these things DO happen and they happen irresponsibly as often as responsibly. They happen outside every established law and safeguard to prevent such activity, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. My idea is that if people know these things have happened in the past and in contemporary times, that there is a well-documented history of completely rationale, professional, people employing such techniques, mainstreamers to the cause will be more critical of anything that leaks outside the core message or sounds over the top. Openness.org can benefit by adopting some elements of the activist's paranoia and contribute in turn by helping to promote awareness of the facts that completely justify it. The prominent warning of the activist's paranoia is not to be immobilized by it. So, in that spirit, the list is available for posting by anyone. My role as a non-confrontational moderator will stand so use your filters if you're bothered by someone, and unsubscribe if the messages get to be too many or too weird. I will ban anyone for the usual listserv taboos: Abuse, harassment, advertising, etc. For those who have joined the list recently, the list typically generated 1 to 10 messages a month in conversation before it was closed last year. That may increase as marketing of the campaign increases. The list stands comfortably at 77 members this evening so feel free to resume posting your thoughts, links, and other resources of interest by e-mailing openness@yahoogroups.com (or openness@egroups.com). Remember that replies to list messages go to the GROUP by default. I'll be watching all and jumping in when necessary. Enjoy! ;) Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin 20 From: "Dr Tom" Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 8:12pm Subject: Re: Subscriber Posting Reenabled, Paranoia Ever-Present! trichert@... Send Email Send Email Well, I wish I had something positive to report. My county, St Clair county in Michigan, is on the verge of falling prey to the charms of Motorola and their APCO 25 Digital Radio system. I am sending everything I can find that talks down this type of system, or any trunking setup which would leave us unable to monitor the police and fire. Anyone with info I can use, feel free to pass it along. I will be greatfull for all the fuel I can get. Thanks. Dr Tom WB8MCS trichert@... 21 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 8:32pm Subject: Re: Subscriber Posting Reenabled, Paranoia Ever-Present! marnells@... Send Email Send Email Dr. Tom, If you haven't already done so, you might find a good bit at my "800band" Yahoogroup, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/800band The list was established to discuss and explore the many controversies, problems and solutions involving 800-band and trunking in PUBLIC-SAFETY applications. We also have discussions on other technologies, such as digital modulation and repeaters vs simplex from time to time. The Files, Links and searchable message archives should provide you with a lot of information, both anecdotal and documented about the problems. You can subscribe, and gain access to all the goodies by sending a blank email to 800band-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Good luck! Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm <~~ LAPD Communications History ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Tom" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 13:12 Subject: Re: [Openness] Subscriber Posting Reenabled, Paranoia Ever-Present! > Well, I wish I had something positive to report. My county, St Clair county > in Michigan, is on the verge of falling prey to the charms of Motorola and > their APCO 25 Digital Radio system. I am sending everything I can find that > talks down this type of system, or any trunking setup which would leave us > unable to monitor the police and fire. Anyone with info I can use, feel free > to pass it along. I will be greatfull for all the fuel I can get. Thanks. > Dr Tom WB8MCS trichert@... > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 22 From: "Chris Weinberg" Date: Wed Apr 4, 2001 3:26pm Subject: Re: Subscriber Posting Reenabled, Paranoia Ever-Present! chrisweinberg76@... Send Email Send Email A small bit of fuel recently posted: http://www.firehouse.com/news/2001/3/22_radiorecall.html >From: "Dr Tom" >Reply-To: Openness@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Openness] Subscriber Posting Reenabled, Paranoia >Ever-Present! >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:12:25 -0700 > >Well, I wish I had something positive to report. My county, St Clair >county >in Michigan, is on the verge of falling prey to the charms of Motorola and >their APCO 25 Digital Radio system. I am sending everything I can find that >talks down this type of system, or any trunking setup which would leave us >unable to monitor the police and fire. Anyone with info I can use, feel >free >to pass it along. I will be greatfull for all the fuel I can get. Thanks. >Dr Tom WB8MCS trichert@... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com 23 From: "John Linko" Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 10:12pm Subject: Shaky times at the Big M fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email Motorola stock plunges to 8-year low: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,3275,00.html John MNN-009 N3RTS Grand Junction _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com 24 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 2:58am Subject: FW: Openness Message Posted davidpin@... Send Email Send Email I had to remove the following post from the Openness.org site because with all of its hyperlinks it just didn't look good. The post was made by Peter S. See, the message board at www.openness.org purposely negates such hyperlinks to prevent people from making graphic calls and engaging in other pranks. Still, I wanted everyone to appreciate Peter's information since he took the time to make the post at all. Enjoy and thanks Peter! Name: Peter s Subject: Misc Articles Message: Medical Industry Lobbies to Rein In New Patients Privacy Rules http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/politics/12PRIV.html A California County Touches Future of Voting http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/politics/12ELEC.html Gore and Bush Strategists Analyze Their Campaigns http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/politics/12CAMP.html INTERNATIONAL ========================= In Russia's Far East, a Region Freezes in the Dark http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/world/12RUSS.html Time-Tested Defense Expected as Witness Returns in Bombings Trial http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/world/12TERR.html Clues Sought in Sub Accident as U.S. Apologizes to Japan http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/national/12HAWA.html Mexico's New President Faces Pesky States' Rights Revolt http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/world/12MEXI.html BUSINESS ========================= Chief Privacy Officers Forge Evolving Corporate Roles http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/technology/12PRIV.html Market Place: Nasdaq Stocks Pricey Despite Drop http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/business/12PLAC.html Reality Shows Set Off Fight Over Awards http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/arts/12EMMY.html Wireless Giants Won F.C.C. Auction Unfairly, Critics Say http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/technology/12AUCT.html several interesting items here - wish I had time to read them all - the medical industry wants privacy restrictions relaxed because they are "unworkable". END OF POST Dave 25 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 9:40pm Subject: FW: National Index Updated davidpin@... Send Email Send Email The Openness.org website includes a growing database of National Open Examples. This database, really just a catalog of links to such things as online police scanners, databases, and real-time GPS map output, notifies me whenever it's been updated by a visitor the site. I've just set my personal e-mail client up to forward such updates to the entire list for everyone's immediate perusal automatically. The output of such forwarded messages is exemplified below my signature. I'm sending this example out so everyone will recognize them. Enjoy! Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin -----Original Message----- From: openness@... [mailto:openness@...] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:05 PM To: davidpin@... Subject: National Index Updated The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: BUREAU OF RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT PA PENNSYLVANIA STATE http://ucr.psp.state.pa.us/UCR/ComMain.asp PENNSYLVANIA'S UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING SYSTEM. If this information is non-standard it should be removed from or edited in the database as quickly as possible to maintain informational integrity. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 26 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 9:41pm Subject: FW: FW: National Index Updated davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin -----Original Message----- From: sentto-2369487-24-986679675-davidpin=pobox.com@returns.onelist.com [mailto:sentto-2369487-24-986679675-davidpin=pobox.com@... om]On Behalf Of David Pinero Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:40 PM To: openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Openness] FW: National Index Updated The Openness.org website includes a growing database of National Open Examples. This database, really just a catalog of links to such things as online police scanners, databases, and real-time GPS map output, notifies me whenever it's been updated by a visitor the site. I've just set my personal e-mail client up to forward such updates to the entire list for everyone's immediate perusal automatically. The output of such forwarded messages is exemplified below my signature. I'm sending this example out so everyone will recognize them. Enjoy! Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin -----Original Message----- From: openness@... [mailto:openness@...] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:05 PM To: davidpin@... Subject: National Index Updated The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: BUREAU OF RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT PA PENNSYLVANIA STATE http://ucr.psp.state.pa.us/UCR/ComMain.asp PENNSYLVANIA'S UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING SYSTEM. If this information is non-standard it should be removed from or edited in the database as quickly as possible to maintain informational integrity. Your Friendly Openness Secretary To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 27 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 8:03pm Subject: FW: National Index Updated davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin -----Original Message----- From: openness@... [mailto:openness@...] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 5:04 PM To: davidpin@... Subject: National Index Updated The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT WA SEATTLE METROPOLITION AREA http://www2.cityofseattle.net/fire/GetDatePubTab.asp ENTER A DATE, RECEIVE FIRE AND RESCUE CAD OUTPUT FOR THAT DATE. If this information is non-standard it should be removed from or edited in the database as quickly as possible to maintain informational integrity. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 28 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 11:10pm Subject: FW: National Index Updated davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin -----Original Message----- From: openness@... [mailto:openness@...] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:06 PM To: davidpin@... Subject: National Index Updated The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: BROWARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FL BROWARD COUNTY FLORIDA http://www.sheriff.org/inmateinfo/inmate_search.cfm ONLINE ARREST RECORDS FOR BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA. If this information is non-standard it should be removed from or edited in the database as quickly as possible to maintain informational integrity. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 29 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 0:03am Subject: FW: National Index Updated davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin -----Original Message----- From: openness@... [mailto:openness@...] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 9:03 PM To: davidpin@... Subject: National Index Updated The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: LANCASTER COUNTY WIDE COMMUNICATIONS PA LANCASTER COUNTY PA http://www.emergsvs.co.lancaster.pa.us/lcwc/ THE LANCASTER COUNTY WIDE COMMUNICATION CENTER DISPATCHES POLICE/FIRE/EMS FOR APPROXIMATELY 150 DIFFERENT AGENCIES TOTAL. If this information is non-standard it should be removed from or edited in the database as quickly as possible to maintain informational integrity. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 30 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun May 6, 2001 5:46pm Subject: Tampa Picture Taker Taken Down! davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Here's a particularly fascinating issue I posted today at the Openness.org website. I'll be posting this to newsgroups as well: DID CAMERA-WIELDING HOUSING PROJECT TENANT REALLY NEED TO STEP BACK? http://www.sptimes.com/News/050601/Hillsborough/Woman_fights_one_stri.shtml In Tampa Florida self-assumed guerrilla journalist Arlene Burke began taking pictures of a neighborhood arrest. Police confronted Burke, urging her to 'step back'. According to the report Burke did not immediately comply and was subsequently pushed back. In grave turn, Burk hit an officer on the arm, which resulted in her arrest. Versions of the actual story are varied. The woman, who jail records indicate is no stranger to the local pokey on similar charges of assault, is now facing immediate eviction from her public housing complex as part of a tough one-strike policy that includes a tenant merely getting arrested grounds for eviction. Judging by her record, Burke probably did hit the officer as reported. If so, I have no problem with the consequences she is facing. What bugs me is whether or not this particular confrontation was really necessary, and whether, as Burke herself charges, the fact that she was taking photos factored into police approaching her in the first place. Burke asserts that she was 'ordered to stop taking photos' by police on the scene and when she didn't, well, the rest is history. Whatever trouble Arlene Burke may have been, or planned to be in the future, she was at that moment a mere journalist. A journalist acting dutifully and even courageously (apparently) to document a mundane arrest that a profit-seeking media organization wouldn't waste an intern on. The neighborhood Burke lives in is for all intent and purposes considered public welfare, an unpopular concentration politically and ideologically in today's America. With too few pictures and stories coming out of such neighborhoods, one could call Burke an enduring soldier of witness for whom the world, as outrageous as it might seem, depends on for such stories in that very specific region on planet Earth. Would a reporter from local WFLA television have been told to 'stop videotaping'? As police systems go closed and laws that prohibit videotaping or documenting police at work by non-accredited media agents magnify, you can expect more stories like these to leak out. It's a shame, and it doesn't have to happen. Dave ========================================== David Pinero http://www.davidpinero.com ========================================== 31 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:39pm Subject: Another Bush who doesn't want the People to watch too closely dave@... Send Email Send Email From FindLaw News (link at bottom of article): A Cloudy Forecast Legislature Dims Florida's Sunshine Laws Associated Press The sunshine dimmed on open records laws in Florida this legislative session. State lawmakers passed 15 bills creating new exemptions to the public records laws, routinely met in secret, and approved legislation so quickly some members didn't know what they were voting on. "I haven't had a session like this since the early 1990s," said Barbara Petersen, executive director of the First Amendment Foundation, a nonprofit, open records watchdog organization Gov. Jeb Bush was criticized for noticing meetings with lawmakers via e-mail as the meetings were taking place. By the time reporters arrived, the meetings had already ended. http://news.findlaw.com/ap/l/0000/5-8-2001/20010508195152350.html 32 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu May 10, 2001 3:56am Subject: Good news from Florida this time dave@... Send Email Send Email From the electronic version of Dispatch News http://www.DispatchNews.net : We note that Florida proposed legislation S. 1762 "died on calendar," meaning the bill was allowed to expire. It has passed through both the Comprehensive Planning, Local and Military Affairs Committee, and the Governmental Oversight and Productivity Committee with no objections. The bill would have exempted the technical details of government (including public safety) trunked radio and mobile data systems from the state's open records law. There was criticism that the bill would reduce accountability of public safety agencies since neither citizens or the press could monitor these systems. However, proponents said it offered protection for sensitive communications. 33 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:36am Subject: University of Florida Added... davidpin@... Send Email Send Email I've added the following to the National Index of Open Examples. This is the University of Florida Police Department's running incident log. It might be live, but perhaps there is so little crime there that it doesn't seem that way. The entire page lists multiple dates. http://www.admin.ufl.edu/division/pd/upd_crimelog/ One extra good point about the site is how the page references the media AND public. No attempting to discern the two here which, as we all know, is a great attitude! Dave ========================================== David Pinero http://www.davidpinero.com ========================================== 34 From: Tom Evert Date: Fri Jun 22, 2001 9:00pm Subject: Re: University of Florida Added... tevert@... Send Email Send Email David Pinero wrote: > > I've added the following to the National Index of Open > Examples. This is > the University of Florida Police Department's running > incident log. It > might be live, but perhaps there is so little crime there > that it doesn't > seem that way. The entire page lists multiple dates. > > http://www.admin.ufl.edu/division/pd/upd_crimelog/ > > One extra good point about the site is how the page > references the media AND > public. No attempting to discern the two here which, as > we all know, is a > great attitude! > > Dave > It's also important to note that Universities are required by federal law to make their crime statistics available to the public but not necessarily via the Internet. Our campus police department's incident logs are available via the web or e-mail digest. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 35 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Jun 23, 2001 6:25pm Subject: Scanner On Hand During Police Shooting davidpin@... Send Email Send Email The following report was circulated today by Dispatch Monthly Magazine. Correctly observing that scanner integration among criminal opportunists is remarkable, this story is nonetheless disturbing for it's sheer drama and tragedy against a police officer. I'll let the piece clear scanner use by itself because it does just that so well. My only commentary is against the burglar - a real prize of a human being as you'll read. It's a shame we don't have the technology to track down how much air we breath as individuals so that we could bill this guy for all the air he's taken from others in his pathetic lifetime: In a rare case of documented scanner use by a criminal, a Morgan County (Ind.) sheriff's deputy was shot 5 times and seriously wounded by a burglary suspect who later admitted he heard the officer run his plate on a scanner. The officer, who wasn't wearing a vest, is expected to recover, and the suspect was hit 7 times by return fire, then held at bay by the deputy's 19 year-old son, who happened to be riding with him. The most important point to ponder, however, is that the scanner didn't really play a part in the shooting--the deputy knew the suspect was wanted before he pulled him over. What's more, the radio broadcast the suspect overheard on the scanner was followed by the deputy pulling the suspect over, and ordering him out of the car ("...with your hands up...") at gunpoint--that was a much bigger clue than the radio broadcast the suspect heard. ========================================== David Pinero http://www.davidpinero.com ========================================== 36 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 6:39am Subject: Police Officer and Media Both Shot And Killed In Tampa davidpin@... Send Email Send Email I would like to call everyone's attention to the following article link. It should remain active throughout Saturday 7/7: http://news.tbo.com/news/MGAY39DSUOC.html It's titled "Live media coverage can increase dangers" and is presented in wake of yet another horrible police death here in Tampa. The purpose of the article, or at least its headline, seems to be to educate you and I on why it's okay for the institution of a democratic free press to make deals with police about what will and won't be covered in the local community. Read the article and you'll discover that local police officials and certain "recognized" media representatives here even signed a secrecy pact in 1998! The parameters and purpose of that pact appear solely defined by the immediate parties. Without getting too deeply into it, it should be obvious to the open broadcasting advocate just how pointy this is considering that many times police officials respond to critics of closed systems by telling them to refer to the local TV news if they want information. Openness.org has pounded this issue before. When upon attempting to define who your legitimate media outlets are in order to distribute, say, receive-only police radios, you immediately and arbitrarily discriminate against other media incarnations. The only solution is to keep your channels open to everyone. It is not the business of local police to determine who it will deal with to advance newsgathering efficiency in exchange for keeping hush-hush about certain events, nor is it proper to build a closed system and then refer the citizenry to local television stations and newspapers that it so evidently navigates. What the hell is that? Dave 37 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 1:30pm Subject: Re: Police Officer and Media Both Shot And Killed In Tampa dave@... Send Email Send Email > It's titled "Live media coverage can increase dangers" and is > presented in wake of yet another horrible police death here in > Tampa. The purpose of the article, or at least its headline, seems > to be to educate you and I on why it's okay for the institution of a > democratic free press to make deals with police about what will and > won't be covered in the local community. Read the article and you'll > discover that local police officials and certain "recognized" media > representatives here even signed a secrecy pact in 1998! The > parameters and purpose of that pact appear solely defined by the > immediate parties. I think I read the same article you did, but I did not get the same impression. The 1998 agreement was about live coverage of tactical operations, not about restricting _any_ reporting that such incidents took place. Here is the pertinent paragraph: ==== Local media organizations were asked in 1998 to sign a nonbinding agreement with law enforcement to ``voluntarily restrict live coverage'' of situations involving barricaded suspects, hostages, threatened suicides and bombs. Police asked the media not to show or describe locations or actions during tactical operations. ==== There is nothing wrong with this from a public safety standpoint. I would not even object to it on First Amendment grounds. As a matter of public policy, the People should permit the government some degree of secrecy when the harm that is sought to be avoided by keeping details out of the public eye is greater than the potential harm from premature publicity. A hostage situation in progress, I think, passes this balancing test on the side of the police. So does troop mobilization in a combat situation. Nothing in the article indicates that the police objected to the disclosure that an emergency situation existed, or to full reporting of the details as soon as there was no further danger to police officers or civilians. I think WFTS was clearly in the wrong, especially when it aired the name of the officer without permission and before his family were notified. > Openness.org has pounded this issue before. When upon attempting to > define who your legitimate media outlets are in order to distribute, > say, receive-only police radios, you immediately and arbitrarily > discriminate against other media incarnations. The only solution is > to keep your channels open to everyone. It is not the business of > local police to determine who it will deal with to advance Your points are good, but the criticism does not appear to fit this particular incident. 73 de Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 M.A.C.J. 38 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 3:49pm Subject: Re: Police Officer and Media Both Shot And Killed In Tampa davidpin@... Send Email Send Email I'm actually ready for that point! :) My characterization of the signed agreement as a 'pact of secrecy' is a criticism that any agreement was signed at all. It's a formal buy-in, even if reasonable, between police and select media reps about what will or won't be covered. Where does that end? We're already upset enough that only recognized or 'accredited' media agents would be chosen to have receive-only radios programmed, now we have the same guys sitting at the table putting names to ink on a binding document. Puh- lease. Remember I'm all for using communication security in exceptionally dangerous operations. Open broadcasting has its eye on the doable committment by police to patrolcast. I for one have no problem keeping certain communication scrambled and enjoy the technology now available that allows police to serve the public and their own need for security on two trays. It should mean police are less likely to go completely closed. However, like the think tank director said at the end of that article, it's better to use independent common sense in what to broadcast or not broadcast - or if not better, at least more integral. It can't possibly be a good thing to pick and choose perceptually influential media entrenchments and begin working on any working standard that even hints on being less journalistically aggressive. That aside, recorded tape is more vulnerable to interception than live reality and it should be up to journalists to draw the line about what reality will be shown and won't be in a specific attempt to thwart that. On a strictly personal note I find it hard to believe that any bad guy who just killed a cop is going to do any better for himself knowing how any of the two dozen snipers aiming at him are specifically positioned and where. I could probably be talked into understanding how a bad guy might, but I could never be talked into signing an agreement that guarantees I won't think about it anymore. Dave --- In Openness@y..., "David T. Stark" wrote: > > It's titled "Live media coverage can increase dangers" and is > > presented in wake of yet another horrible police death here in > > Tampa. The purpose of the article, or at least its headline, seems > > to be to educate you and I on why it's okay for the institution of a > > democratic free press to make deals with police about what will and > > won't be covered in the local community. Read the article and you'll > > discover that local police officials and certain "recognized" media > > representatives here even signed a secrecy pact in 1998! The > > parameters and purpose of that pact appear solely defined by the > > immediate parties. > > I think I read the same article you did, but I did not get the same > impression. > > The 1998 agreement was about live coverage of tactical operations, not about > restricting _any_ reporting that such incidents took place. Here is the > pertinent paragraph: > > ==== > Local media organizations were asked in 1998 to sign a nonbinding agreement > with law enforcement to ``voluntarily restrict live coverage'' of situations > involving barricaded suspects, hostages, threatened suicides and bombs. > Police asked the media not to show or describe locations or actions during > tactical operations. > ==== > > There is nothing wrong with this from a public safety standpoint. I would > not even object to it on First Amendment grounds. As a matter of public > policy, the People should permit the government some degree of secrecy when > the harm that is sought to be avoided by keeping details out of the public > eye is greater than the potential harm from premature publicity. A hostage > situation in progress, I think, passes this balancing test on the side of > the police. So does troop mobilization in a combat situation. > > Nothing in the article indicates that the police objected to the disclosure > that an emergency situation existed, or to full reporting of the details as > soon as there was no further danger to police officers or civilians. > > I think WFTS was clearly in the wrong, especially when it aired the name of > the officer without permission and before his family were notified. > > > Openness.org has pounded this issue before. When upon attempting to > > define who your legitimate media outlets are in order to distribute, > > say, receive-only police radios, you immediately and arbitrarily > > discriminate against other media incarnations. The only solution is > > to keep your channels open to everyone. It is not the business of > > local police to determine who it will deal with to advance > > Your points are good, but the criticism does not appear to fit this > particular incident. > > 73 de Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 > M.A.C.J. 39 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 4:25pm Subject: Re: Re: Police Officer and Media Both Shot And Killed In Tampa dave@... Send Email Send Email > sitting at the table putting names to ink on a binding document. Let's not panic. The article said "non-binding agreement." Of course, who knows what that actually means in practical terms? -Dave, NF2G 40 From: "Varela, Humberto J" Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 1:44pm Subject: Recording police misconduct is illegal varelah@... Send Email Send Email http://slashdot.org/articles/01/07/14/0834224.shtml "The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts has upheld a lower court's decision that it is illegal to record what happens to you when get pulled over by the police." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 41 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Jul 15, 2001 5:21pm Subject: From the St. Pete Times davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Here's a follow up of sorts to that incident which took place in Tampa two weeks ago. The article delves a little bit more into the clash between police and media (TV media in particular), and includes some relevant quotes. FYI, the St. Pete times ran another article earlier which reported that the hostage in this case was privy to DeJesus specifically turning on Bay News 9 to see where the police were. The article quoted the hostage as inferring that that was DeJesus's intent. Despite this, I stand behind my point if not with more resolve. What did DeJesus see when he turned on the TV? He saw there was nothing he could do and it seems, if anything, that this helped to resolve the standoff sooner. Anyway, here's the most recent article: Police, TV media see shooting differently Officials say the shooter should not have learned Officer Lois Marrero had died during the standoff. By AMY HERDY and ERIC DEGGANS © St. Petersburg Times, published July 15, 2001 TAMPA -- Nester DeJesus had shot a Tampa police officer with a semiautomatic weapon and taken a hostage inside an apartment. Now he was worried about the consequences. Talking with police negotiators, DeJesus and his girlfriend, Paula Gutierrez, continually asked about the condition of the officer, something negotiators would not reveal. The couple then learned the truth -- that the officer had died -- from a television report a little more than an hour into the three- hour standoff. "Why are you lying to me?" Gutierrez screamed at police. "We just heard on Bay News 9 she's dead!" The revelation could have given DeJesus and Gutierrez a more dangerous frame of mind, said Sgt. John Bennett, a tactical team supervisor who had gone to the Crossings apartment complex July 6, where Officer Lois Marrero had been killed. "Once they know someone is dead," Bennett said, "It's easier to kill again." Hours later, after DeJesus had committed suicide and Gutierrez had surrendered, police lashed out at the media. What Bennett did not know, until the Times told him, was that Police Chief Bennie Holder had announced to reporters during the standoff that the wounded officer had died. Only then did Bay News 9 report the information. Holder has declined to talk about why he released the information. In Holder's defense, Bennett said, a hostage situation after a police shooting is "a very chaotic, emotional scene." Such situations present choices for police and journalists alike, experts say, and it is inevitable the two sides will clash. "My goal is to urge journalists to think about these situations before they're in the minefield," said Bob Steele, director of the ethics program at the Poynter Institute for Media Studies, which owns the St. Petersburg Times. "Just as a SWAT team prepares, so should journalists." Such forethought could prevent the media from interfering with police during hostage or terrorist situations, Steele said. Journalists should assume a suspect has full access to their reporting, he said, and should never show the tactical movements by police. Bennett said much of that sensitivity was lacking July 6. One of the stations, he's not sure which one, was showing an aerial view of a tactical team tank that had been brought to the scene. "You could see the sniper in the tank," Bennett said. "That infuriated me." At another point in the standoff, a station showed officers raising a ladder to the second-story apartment window. In addition, Bennett said, the clamor of media helicopters overhead was so loud he could not communicate over the radio with his team. He had to order the helicopters to back off. For many, the situation was similar to one three years ago when reporters followed the pursuit of Hank Earl Carr, who had killed his girlfriend's child and three law enforcement officers. Carr took a hostage in a service station and media helicopters hovered over the scene, showing police as they moved around the building. In addition, reporters called Carr on the telephone during the standoff. Carr let the hostage go, then killed himself. Police negotiators were furious, and demanded the media restrain its coverage of hostage situations. For their part, most local news directors said they used restraint in their coverage of the July 6 standoff. But police complained that promises made after the Carr standoff were thrown out the window by some stations. "Some abided" to their agreement, said Hillsborough Sheriff's Capt. Greg Brown. "And some risked officers' lives." Phil Metlin, vice president of news at WTVT-Ch. 13, said as journalists they have a duty to inform the public of a dangerous situation. He said the station did not show tactical movements but gave live updates from the scene during the standoff. "What is the impact of withholding information versus informing the public?" Metlin said. "We had a very dangerous criminal at large, armed, who had just taken the officer's life. . . . If we didn't tell the public, are we possibly endangering them?" Bill Berra, WFTS-Ch. 28 news director, said management had changed at the station since the Carr standoff. Still, Berra said, "I don't think we showed anything that would hamper law enforcement. There's a little common sense in play. It seems to me that anyone who would have committed a crime like this would expect a lot of police activity." The bottom line, said Jim Church, news director at WTSP-Ch. 10, is that journalists and police will never wholeheartedly agree. "The police would prefer a blackout of all police activities," Church said. "That doesn't mean we as journalists can allow that. It's a difference between being good citizens and being totally controlled by the police. We're not going to be able to make every police officer happy in coverage." One solution espoused by Brown, Steele and Bennett is for the media to learn more about the role of the police during a hostage standoff or terrorist situation. While the public has a right to be informed, Bennett said, there are ways to do it that don't endanger anyone. "We have a sense for their safety," he said. "They need to have a sense for ours." - Amy Herdy can be reached at (813) 226-3386 or herdy@.... 42 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sun Jul 15, 2001 5:29pm Subject: Re: From the St. Pete Times dave@... Send Email Send Email As long as the "official" news media continue to do stupid things during tactical situations, there will be a conflict like this one. Does anyone remember the media coverage of coup attempt against Boris Yeltsin a couple of years ago? The reporters at a press conference were asking all kinds of idiotic questions about the exact deployment of troops inside the building. No wonder the police would rather not have to deal with them! -Dave, NF2G 43 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 0:31am Subject: Re: Recording police misconduct is illegal davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Interesting post Humberto. I recently watched an online video someone shot of Tampa and University of South Florida Police clashing with pot advocates (whatever) during an on-campus demonstration. In fact here is the URL itself: http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-322.html I don't much like the people who seem to be behind this advocacy. I hope one or two of these pot heads were really law enforcement plants because to think adults could behave so ridiculously for real would be disturbing. Aren't there a million other ways to aggravate law enforcement without getting in their face and acting like babies? Still, it's harmless activism which I'll defend any day. The key point to watch on this Real Video production is where an officer gets down and dirty with the videographer, reminding him that it's illegal to record his voice. It demonstrates the growing awareness that police have of citizens videotaping them and the depth of converstation that must be mulling about back at headquarters and conventions. If this were my rally, I'd make sure that I had more than one videographer off the immediate site just in case the, what would effectively be the decoy videographer, were downed on ambiguous charges. Also, there really ARE laws against taping voice pointedly so the mic jack would either have to be muted using a simple plug, or there would have to be a spot narrator to demonstrate a willing witness being recorded instead of police. I have no doubt that teams of activist videographers will get good at documenting history legally but craftily in such ways. The coming laws will demand it! Dave --- In Openness@y..., "Varela, Humberto J" wrote: > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/07/14/0834224.shtml > > > > > "The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts has upheld a lower court's > decision that it is illegal to record what happens to you when get pulled > over by the police." > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 44 From: Humberto Varela Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:27pm Subject: Re: Re: Recording police misconduct is illegal varelah@... Send Email Send Email >reminding him that >it's illegal to record his voice. >Also, there really ARE laws against taping voice pointedly >so the mic jack would either have to be muted using a simple plug, >or there ********** Why would it be illegal to record voice (with both parties knowing it is happening) between a protester and a police officer? Can you refer me to some of the case law on this? Is it specific to the state of Florida? 45 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 7:27pm Subject: Re: Recording police misconduct is illegal public@... Send Email Send Email Yeah, in Florida it is illegal to record telephone conversations or establish surveillance cameras that record voice without permission of the recorded parties. It's also illegal to set up survelliance cameras with the intent to garner sexual thrill, sound or not. Laws do differ state to state and I don't know what the federal rules are. Dave --- In Openness@y..., Humberto Varela wrote: > >reminding him that > >it's illegal to record his voice. > > >Also, there really ARE laws against taping voice pointedly > >so the mic jack would either have to be muted using a simple plug, >or there > > ********** > > Why would it be illegal to record voice (with both parties knowing it is happening) between a protester and a police officer? > > Can you refer me to some of the case law on this? > > Is it specific to the state of Florida? 46 From: Humberto Varela Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 7:58pm Subject: Re: Re: Recording police misconduct is illegal varelah@... Send Email Send Email >Yeah, in Florida it is illegal to record telephone conversations or >establish surveillance cameras that record voice without permission >of the recorded parties. It's also illegal to set up survelliance >cameras with the intent to garner sexual thrill, sound or not. >Laws do differ state to state and I don't know what the federal rules >are. > >Dave > I don't know about the "sexual thrill" thing, but I used to pitch cellphones for BellSouth with a professional telemarketing outfit. We always got around the "consent to record" issue by quickly stating: "For quality assurance, I'm going to go ahead and record our conversation, ok? Now..." Most people just said, "uh-huh" when I was making that statement, but the point is that we DID ask if it was ok ("ok?"). I'm not sure how this would work in a protestor-vs-policeman scenario... The patrolman would no doubt wrap that camera around your neck! But look, we're talking admissibility-of-evidence here, aren't we? Look what happened to the officers involved in the Rodney King beating. They were tried in the Court of Public Opinion, which can be worse than playing a contested videotape in a courtroom... 47 From: "John Linko" Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 11:28pm Subject: Fwd: Aircraft comms going digital fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email >From: John Gilbert >Reply-To: John Gilbert >To: SCAN-L@... >Subject: Aircraft comms going digital >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:41:45 -0500 > >Article Summary: >The world is running out of aircraft radio freqs. In the U.S., the last >time that a change was made to the improve channel efficiency was in 1972, >when the system went from 50 kHz to 25 kHz spacing. Europe opted for an >8.33 kHz short-term solution in 1995. > >VDL-3 (the next generation digital standard for aircraft use) uses >Differential 8 Phase Shift Keying (D8PSK) and employs 4.8 kilobits per >second voice code/encoder — better known as a VOCODER — for voice operation >to enable as many as four channels to operate on one 25 kHz frequency >assignment. > >It will be a few years, but according to this article you'll need a digital >scanner to listen to aircraft communications within the next 10 years. > >For the full article see: > >http://mae.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=Articles&Subsection\ =Display&ARTICLE_ID=107073 > >Mandatory CARMA freq posting: UHF Guard 243 MHz (AM for now!) > >John Gilbert > >-- >FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! >Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp 48 From: av8tor@... Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 11:39pm Subject: Re: Fwd: Aircraft comms going digital av8tor@... Send Email Send Email Being a pilot for 14 years, owning my own planes as well as flying other you can safely bet that Digital Air comms is at least 25 years down the road. Let me point out that back in 1980 (over 20 years ago) it was said that VOR Navigation Radios would be done away with in 5-10 years. Here it is over 20 years later and we relay as much on VOR Navigation Radios as we did back in the 70's if not a lot more. Also, back in the early 70's it was said that ADF (automatic direction finders) would not be put into planes in the next 5 years. Today, over 30 years later ADF's and NDB's (Non Directional Radio Beacons) are being used and being installed in most new planes being manufactured today. Sorry, but don't buy that Digital radio if you wanna listen to planes, the capacitors will be all dried up before you hear your first US Aircraft talking to the tower on a Digital radio. George http://www.Licensed4Fun.com Pilot for 14+ years, in the aviation business for 20+ years. ______________________________________________________ I make Over $5000 per Week on eBay! Make eBay(tm) Your Job and Earn BIG $$$ --> http://www.licensed4fun.com/ebay.htm <-- ______________________________________________________ 49 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 4:00am Subject: My address change... public@... Send Email Send Email Dear all, I am finding tips and other information at old e-mail addresses for me. I appreciate everything I get from you and quite frankly depend on them. However, my e-mail address for these kinds of things has changed to public@... . If you have any tips related to Openness issues, please use this address. I know that counts as only the umpteenth time I've changed addresses, but one of these days I promise to settle down! Dave Webmaster, OpeNNEss.org 50 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 1:58am Subject: LA Times Reporter Sought Info.... public@... Send Email Send Email I'm sending this along a bit late, but the buzz in radio scanning listservs is that a particular LA Times reporter is seeking comments and other information from scannists regarding LA's apparently now- closed public ignorance system. The usual disclaimer applies as I have not verified this gentleman's identity or actual interest in this question. For all we know someone has a beef against this reporter, so if you e-mail him, starting out by asking whether or not he's really interested would be a good idea. Here's the e-mail as provided to me by Peter Z who in turn found it circulating in one of his many list subscriptions: Hello, I'm new to this news service but hopeful some of you can help me...My name is Kurt Streeter and I am the reporter at The LA Times who broke the story about problems with the LAPD's new digital communications system. I'm looking for people who can relate their experiences with the new technology to me. Is this really just a matter of training officers to use the system better? Also, I'm interested in writing about how the switch to digital has affected police/fire scanner hobbyists-the folks who love to listen to what is going on, just for fun. I think writing about hobbyists would be an interesting feature story. Anyone out there with stories to tell, please feel free to e-mail me...you can do so off this string, at kurt.streeter@... take care, and i plan on watching how this plays out. to all of the officers out there, stay safe and god bless. kurt streeter kurt.streeter@... Dave 51 From: public@... Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:26pm Subject: National Index Updated public@... Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS NY NEW YORK STATE http://nysdocs.docs.state.ny.us:84/kinqw00 REFERENCE NEW YORK STATE ACTIVE INMATE RECORDS. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 52 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:41pm Subject: Notice regarding NIO updates... public@... Send Email Send Email I have configured Openness campaign IT operations this afternoon so that new examples entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples are automatically transmitted to this list. I am not sure how this will be received but as you can see by the example transmitted just prior to this notice the updates are short, include a link you can use right away, and automated. If most of you feel such notices will be a nuisance I'll reconsider interfacing these entries to the list. I am also going to proceed to configure the headline system to work the same way so that when a new headline is posted at the site, a message is transmitted here consisting of the same. I may get that working by tonight but if not, eventually. If anyone has any thoughts I'd be happy to hear them. David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 53 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:43pm Subject: Re: Notice regarding NIO updates... dave@... Send Email Send Email > If anyone has any thoughts I'd be happy to hear them. This is not usually a high traffic list. I have no problem seeing those updates this way. -Dave, NF2G 54 From: public@... Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:38am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org as follows: Name: Subject: Old police scanners to fall silent Message: Looks like another system going closed to the public. This article, which ran earlier this month, quotes scanning magazine publisher Bob Grove who speculates with pessimism that the days of scanning may soon be over. Well. One thing that has bothered me even as far back as 1996 is the lack of insightful protest by the major scanning magazines. These magazines I admired for years as a teenager, for example, Popular Communications, never got on the anti-closed-system bandwagon. Every columnist and scanner publishing enthusiast has a thing or two to expertly predict regarding the doom of scanning, yet none lift a pen to demand common sense preservation and compenstation. None publish to save their own paper. As an aside, while providing good detail in general, the article never explores what could be done to compensate the public given that evading the public isn't behind the digital radio system's intent in the first place. Oh, one more thing, since when does a ! fascination with radio technology in general equate to a populace that wants to feel safe and know what the police are up to? Just because the radios are getting more complex doesn't mean people don't want security and accountability. Police scanners in their yesteryear simplicity proved people want that. Simple police scanners and the popularity that drives them prove that public safety should go out of their way to compensate public access. Assuming an agency goes digital with no digital scanners available, they SHOULD build citizen radio networks and broadcast to them or cite other well-meaning compensation. What I like about police scanning has nothing to do with a 1960s fascination with radio. Christ. (eyes rolling) Included URL (if any): http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,53%257E98129,00.html Your Friendly Openness Secretary 55 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:41am Subject: RE: Notice regarding NIO updates... public@... Send Email Send Email Glad to hear it, Dave. There won't be too many of them but I should warn that when I enter them I usually do so in one sitting. Slight flurries of new database entries can be expected from time to time. Otherwise we'll say one or two a day for planning purposes. Also, anyone from the public can enter information leaving the door open to god knows what. If that becomes a problem I'll nix the public input feature. Regarding the headline updates, I got that system to work the same way. Future updates will look slightly different from the format you saw in the message sent out tonight, but that's the gist of it. Is there no end to the power of Yahoogroups? They are the best! Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: David T. Stark [mailto:dave@...] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:43 PM To: Openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Openness] Notice regarding NIO updates... > If anyone has any thoughts I'd be happy to hear them. This is not usually a high traffic list. I have no problem seeing those updates this way. -Dave, NF2G To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 56 From: public@... Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 10:21pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=08/27/2001&PrgID=5 NPR Examines Government Jailing Of Journalist National Public Radio is airing a story that strikes at the heart of who is or who isn't a journalist. Read the paragraph at this link for the gist of it. The question will become more important as video cameras and other tools of personal and guerilla journalism turn us all into spot reporters. I rather suspect in time that corporate media and government agencies will finally conclude that an amendment changing what freedom of speech and expression stand for in America will be considered necessary. Increasingly it is becoming intolerable to allow the free exchange of ideas. IP: 131.247.195.11 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 57 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 2:37pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted dave@... Send Email Send Email > National Public Radio is airing a story that strikes at the heart of who is or who isn't a journalist. Read the paragraph at this link for the gist of it. The question will become more important as video cameras and other tools of personal and guerilla journalism turn us all into spot reporters. I rather suspect in time that corporate media and government agencies will finally conclude that an amendment changing what freedom of speech and expression stand for in America will be considered necessary. Increasingly it is becoming intolerable to allow the free exchange of ideas. According to the United States Supreme Court, "The press in its connotation comprehends every sort of publication which affords a vehicle of information and opinion." (Lovell v. City of Griffin, Georgia, 303 U.S. 444 (1928)) In the same case, the Court also said, "The struggle for the freedom of the press was primarily directed against the power of the licensor. . While the freedom from previous restraint upon publication cannot be regarded as exhausting the guaranty of liberty, the prevention of that restraint was a leading purpose in the adoption of the constitutional provision." In other words, the government has no constitutional business deciding who is and who is not "the press." Of course, we have a more conservative "law-and-order" majority now, so whether these precedents will survive is anyone's guess. David T. Stark, NF2G, NYSING-01, KYR7128 Registered Monitor KNY2DJ M.A. Criminal Justice Albany County RACES Red Cross Albany County DAT Leader Skywarn Spotter N6-001-390 58 From: public@... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 4:28am Subject: National Index Updated public@... Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: BROWARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FL BROWARD COUNTY http://www.sheriff.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=arrest.search&CFID=11608&CFTOKEN=714\ 66939 UPDATE: THIS IS THE NEW LOCATION OF THE BROWARD COUNTY ARREST DATABASE. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 59 From: public@... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 4:34am Subject: National Index Updated public@... Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: INDIANA CRIMINAL JUSTICE INSTITUTE IN INDIANA STATE http://www.state.in.us/serv/cji_sor INDIANA SEX AND VIOLENT OFFENDER REGISTRY. REQUIRES CLICKING PAST DISCLAIMER PAGE. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 60 From: public@... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 4:45am Subject: National Index Updated public@... Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS MN STATE OF MINNESOTA http://info.doc.state.mn.us/publicviewer/main.asp DATABASE OF THOSE IN PRISON OR UNDER CORRECTIONAL SUPERVISION. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 61 From: public@... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 9:25pm Subject: National Index Updated public@... Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: UNIVERSITY OF AKRON POLICE OH UNIVERSITY OF AKRON http://www.uakron.edu/police/sexoff.htm LISTING OF SEX OFFENDERS IN SUMMIT COUNTY, OH. MAY BE SIMILAR TO REGIONAL LISTINGS/DATABASES. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 62 From: public@... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 9:29pm Subject: National Index Updated public@... Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: OHIO DEPARTMENT OF REHAB & CORRECTIONS OH OHIO STATE http://www.drc.state.oh.us/cfdocs/inmate/search.htm SEARCH AND RETRIEVE RECORDS OF OHIO STATE INMATES. INLUDES PHOTOS. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 63 From: public@... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 9:31pm Subject: National Index Updated public@... Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: STARK COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OH STARK COUNTY OHIO http://www.sheriff.co.stark.oh.us/pr01.htm OUTPUT OF CURRENT SEX OFFENDER DATA IN STARK COUNTY, OH. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 64 From: public@... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 10:12pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.reporternews.com/texas/amb1111.html Amber Plan Scenario Nabs Kidknapper Police use "Amber Plan" to notify citizens of a child abduction. A truck driver gets the signal, spots the suspect, and follows him while updating police on a cellular phone. The suspect is captured and the child saved. Openness.org advocates the erection of police run radio networks as a form of compensation for digital systems closing them up. This variation of that idea merely partners local commercial outlets which can obviously work. However, ONLY child abductions define the Amber Plan. Openness.org believes a dedicated radio network can cover and assist in a wider range of crimes that would benefit public safety profoundly. The Amber Plan proves the basic point here. IP: 65.32.41.241 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 65 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 10:27pm Subject: Scanner Blamed For Length Of Chase public@... Send Email Send Email This is breaking news: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/04/tow.truck/index.html If you listen to the multimedia reports (the video clip of the tow truck burning), you will hear one reporter remark that the chase went on as long as it did because the thief had a police scanner in the truck. She does NOT say how she was able to verify this "fact" since just as she was reporting it the man was actually surrendering to police. What's up with that? Why not add a little pizzazz to the story by reporting an outer space alien was driving the truck to boot? Dave 66 From: public@... Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 11:16pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.ananova.com/news/story.php?datafile=sm_389068.insdat&menu= Dutch Scannist Saves Two Lives In a steller example of the benefits of wide-area notification and absorbtion provided by police scanners, a woman and her daughter were rescued from a house fire by a local amatuer radio operator listening in on police calls illegally. The report indicates that the Dutch operator will not be prosecuted. Similarly, local media in Tampa Florida reported that an off-duty paramedic with a police scanner was directly responsible for saving the lives of two police officers shot by fleeing robbers in March 1995. At the time of that incident, most calls in Tampa and Hillsborough County were analog non-trunked. Public safety tends to scoff at these reports suggesting in policy that a woman and her daughter, and two police officers, would be better off dead than keeping primary dispatch signals analog. IP: 131.247.195.11 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 67 From: gottemfounder@... Date: Sat Sep 8, 2001 7:17pm Subject: Looking For Articles On Media's Permission To Monitor Closed Systems gottemfounder@... Send Email Send Email Hi, I am looking for articles on Bucks County, PA. (and others) and the media's ability to (after a long fight) monitor the County's 500 Mhz. (/\/\) MOTOROLA ASTRO Digital Secure/Encrypted System. I worked for EMS in this County and has just returned from a vacation there. While visiting my old EMS squad, I got to play with a new Motorola xts3000 Digital Radio. The audio quality sounded awesome (to me at least ;) The County opted to encrypt all of their talkgroups making the monitoring of their system impossible by scanning enthusiasts, expect for a 46 Mhz. Fire/EMS partial rebroadcast. Chances are excellent that in the next year Uniden and or another company will create a Digital Trunktracker that allows decoding of MOTOROLA's Digital Modulation format known as ASTRO Technology. Public Safety Agencies are smart and know that the way to win the "Privacy Battle" is to opt for encryption technology, which is an additional costly "module" expense for each radio they own. My specific focus here is to gather information about Public Safety Systems that have not only gone digital, but encrypted as well, and afford the media access to monitoring their system. Bucks County fought it out with the media and now allow the media monitoring access to their system with a MOTOROLA xts3000 digital handheld transceiver, programmed "Receive Only" with no transmit capabilities. Here in Orange County, Florida, we are expecting to go ASTRO Digital in 2003 and encryption options are being discussed at this time. Thanks for your help. Have a great day. Joe Mattern, Founder G.O.T.T.E.M. Greater Orlando Trunk Tracking Enthusiasts Membership 68 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 1:15pm Subject: Re: Looking For Articles On Media's Permission To Monitor Closed Systems zerg90@... Send Email Send Email You might want to check the archives of the openness, ScanColorado, and phlscanner scanner lists at www.yahoogroups.com. Also see recent posts to scan-dc@... from the Fairfax County VA PD PIO. http:www/groups.google.com will allow you to check all posts to newsgroups back to 1995 - the alt.scanner.radio group should have a few relevant items. www.pettyinc.com has info on Chester County PA TRS and problems. www.faquiernews.com is another good one. The ScanColorado list recently had a good list of newspaper article URLs concerning 800TRS problems (not openness focused however). 69 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:59pm Subject: Essay Trashes 800 Mhz In Fauquier County VA zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.fauquiernews.com/083101issue.htm There is some hard hitting logic here about the downside of 800 Mhz radio systems. Of course they forget to mention that lowband skips all around the world, and 150 Mhz is very crowded (and has its own skip / tropo ducting problems). OTOH, 800 Mhz has skip problems also. Peter S 70 From: Humberto Varela Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 2:50pm Subject: reports that Cell/PCS and radio systems pushed to limit after attack on WTC Towers varelah@... Send Email Send Email this is unbeliveable... i am right now (0900 hrs CST) hearing reports over broadcast radio that Cell networks and radio systems on Manhattan Island are being pushed to their limits - especially Cell and PCS - in the aftermath of an apparent terrorist attack on the US. an added insult is how CNN's web servers have practically buckled under the crushing load of internet traffic wanting to know more about the incident. as of this writing, it is almost impossible to get any news webpage to load with more detail than about a paragraph... it will be interesting to see how Washington DC's and NY TRS's handle the intense load.. and... how local TRS's respond (i am thinking about my local mil TRS - which will probably go full digital for the next few weeks...) 71 From: "David Pinero" Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:03pm Subject: So are there any supporters left? public@... Send Email Send Email Just making sure before we head into the reeling in of our freedoms and certain war: Does Open Broadcasting have any supporters left after Tuesday? Our military leaders are warning us that the terrorists will not win in robbing America of its longstanding trust in an open democracy. He didn't warn, actually, he disclaimed knowingly as if he knows we're all hot to take the deal. And he's right because we ALL want war now. What American wouldn't? But...before anyone answers that, consider some of the broader based Openness themes that have contributed to the compassion within Hell of the past several days. Spot reporters using video cameras have documented history on a scale unprecedented in history outside commercial organizations. In fact, we are seeing many of those commercial organizations depending upon the footage of freelancers who happened to be in the right spot at, if you could at all construe the context as such, the right time. Cell phones not only provided heart-wrenching last links between lovers, families, and spouses, they provided authorities and indeed history the critical details that authorities will need to slam these nutcases. And at one point, a pilot realizing full well that isolated knowledge in the cockpit of his plane was more likely deadly knowledge, opened his microphone to the cabin so that passengers could hear what was about to happen and perhaps take action. In fact, if this story is tied in to that heroic Flight 93, doing so may just have. So, are we still for open or analog public safety signals? Are we still for open public safety databases? Are we still for searchable databases, personalized journalism, and liberating communication technologies? Are we still for democracy? Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 72 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 11:01pm Subject: Re: So are there any supporters left? zerg90@... Send Email Send Email It seems to me that freedom is a concept tempered by thought and discussion. If you cannot base that discussion and those thoughts on the truth, then freedom is a mirage. Openness is nothing more than an additional avenue to the truth in a extremely technical world. Peter S 73 From: gottemfounder@... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:49pm Subject: Re: So are there any supporters left? gottemfounder@... Send Email Send Email In a message dated 9/14/01 8:07:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zerg90@... writes: > Openness is nothing more than an > To take it a step further... Let us not forget: "The Truth shall set us free" Openness always has and always will have my support 100% ! God Bless America! Joe Mattern Orlando, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 74 From: public@... Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 3:46pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.msnbc.com/news/629386_asp.htm Tech’s Double-Edged Sword [MSNBC] Technology, right down to an off the shelf entertainment simulator, is a ticket to both heaven and hell, contemplates this article. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 75 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 5:21pm Subject: Tuesday Rapid Media timeline dave@... Send Email Send Email Take a look at my special report on one Rapid Media organization's response to the events of Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at http://nysing.org/timeline html David T. Stark M.A. Criminal Justice NF2G, KYR-7128, KNY2DJ Director, New York Statewide Incident Notification Group Albany County RACES Red Cross Albany County DAT Leader Skywarn Spotter N6-001-390 Resume/CV available at http://nf2g.com/bio.html 76 From: public@... Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:34pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://nysing.org/timeline.html A Day of Rapid Media Rapid media news as compiled and presented by the NYSING scanner notification group on September 11. The band of scanning and reporting enthusiasts concentrate on dissimenating news as it happens utilizing pagers and other technology, often around obediant media resources. This gives you true insight into the timeline and perhaps a full sense of the attack and its awful legacy. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 77 From: public@... Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 3:10am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/uctr/20010926/cm/if_this_is_patriotism_keep_it_1.ht\ ml Blank Check Closure Here's a breath of fresh questioning. Is the "war on terrorism" solid enough in objective, scope of time, and focus, to merit such a sweeping exchange of our freedoms? Does 'the war against terrorists' sound a lot like 'the war against drugs' with a stiffer cost in freedom and lives? IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 78 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 4:54pm Subject: yerrorist alert for scanner listeners!!!! worksntv@... Send Email Send Email [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 79 From: "." Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 1:32pm Subject: Re: yerrorist alert for scanner listeners!!!! slbreeze@... Send Email Send Email This message didn't come through correctly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: [Openness] yerrorist alert for scanner listeners!!!! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 80 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 2:00pm Subject: RE: yerrorist alert for scanner listeners!!!! public@... Send Email Send Email The option of sending attachments through this list has been disabled for the sake of everyone's protection - and sanity. ;) Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: . [mailto:slbreeze@...] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:32 AM To: Openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Openness] yerrorist alert for scanner listeners!!!! This message didn't come through correctly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: [Openness] yerrorist alert for scanner listeners!!!! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 81 From: public@... Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 6:12pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.postgazette.com/forum/20010930edopen30p2.asp Open Justice Best For Democracy Pennsylvania decides that open court systems are more consistent with the principles of an open democracy. But ... what about the children? IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 82 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 6:38pm Subject: Find Terrorists and Spies on > the Air - worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Attack on America: How to Find Terrorists and Spies on > the Air - Part 2 > > Ham radio operators across the nation and around the world continue to > look for ways to help in the United States war against terrorism. Some > are still providing communications in the New York City area. Others > have headed the call by FCC Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth to watch > the radio spectrum and report suspicious transmissions. > > Last week, monitoring specialist Joe Schroeder, W9JUV, gave us a bit of > insight into what to listen for on the high frequency bands. Joe is back > with a look at the spectrum above 50 MHz and the way that terrorists > cells might try to use it: > > FRS probably not an option because there are just to many people on it. > There's not so much the chance of being overheard and having the whistle > blown. More likely, some kid is going to inadvertently break in and > break up the communications. Especially in a mall or some downtown area. > > CB at 27 MHz is also a no. I would also say that the ham bands are not a > good alternative because there is to much of an opportunity for radio > amateurs to come across such communications and recognize that it is not > normal ham radio talk. What hoes on in the Amateur VHF and UHF bands is > so normal sounding that many hams readily recognize all of the voices. > If there was something abnormal going on it would stick out much more > than on an HF band like 20 or 40 meters. > > One thing Riley Hollingsworth suggested was to tape any suspicious > communications. If you do, we would suggest using fresh tape and also > using a direct connection to your recorder from your station receiver. > > This will eliminate the chance of room noise obscuring what you are > trying to record. > > And, if you do happen across something that needs to be reported, > probably the best place to forward it is directly to the Federal Bureau > of Investigation. The FBI has set up a toll free number for leads or > other information on the terrorist attack. It's at: > > (866) 483-5137 > > Leads can also be sent via a special website at: > > http://www.ifccfbi.gov/ > > The e-mail address for reports to the FCC is: > > fccham@... > > Also, if you want to hear more on monitoring the world above 50 MHz for > clandestine communications, you are invited to tune in this weeks RAIN > Report. There you will hear a lot more with Joe Schroeder, W9JUV. You > will find it on the web at: > > http://www.rainreport.com/ > > or by phone at: > > (847) 827-7246 > > (ARNewsline(tm)) This article came from the Amateur Radio > Newsline http://www.arnewsline.org/ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 83 From: public@... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 4:35am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.theonion.com/onion3736/freedoms_curtailed.html Heh-Heh, What Can I Say but that this says it all... I really love these guys. Long live parody. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 84 From: public@... Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 4:40am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/page1/ledger/1470998.html Open Broadcasting Schema Saves Scores to Thousands If New York City had been a closed broadcasting environment, this scanner listener might have been crucially delayed in putting the brakes on PATH trains that would have otherwise delivered thousands of New York disembarking pedestrians to their doom. It's interesting that at any time anyone can find countless stories heralding how scanners have saved lives. To date, not a single credible story reinforcing the "danger" of open broadcasting by criminal opportunists has been presented by anyone. If you began compiling a tally of negative stories today in effort to beat the good stories, you'd now be thousands down. And that's recorded history. ;) IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 85 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 10:15pm Subject: TV News Concedes: Only Patriotic Viewpoints public@... Send Email Send Email Here's an interesting piece (see article below). The government has pursuaded our major television networks to "voluntarily" emphasize a US patriotic editorial policy. I think this effectively crosses the line from discreet media perspective management of our ideals, to overt. A horrible tragedy is being exploited to legitamize the limiting of what information we as individuals choose to abosrb and interpret, and for that matter, in any way we wish to interpret. It doesn't matter that this policy will probably fail. I believe this conflict will see the first private citizen guerrilla journalists penetrating the Corporate Media Guard to beam back and distribute information over there heads, from behind enemy lines, all for the sole ideal that information itself should not be held or wielded to exploit. The facts here are pretty straightforward. The government tried to play the "danger" card by suggesting that specific action codes might be embedded within Osma's various soap box videotapes. Personally, I'm not sure what kind of secret code would accompany a flat out directive to kill all Americans. It seems to me that taking the time to devise and deliver secret messages would simply interfere with the precious taping time available to order up your Jihad. But there you have it. The television executives appear to have been on to this pretty quick, of course. To pick up the slack on, or perhaps to rationalize an argument they themselves knew the government would fall flat on their faces with, they appear to sink into various arguments about editorial relevance - which is perhaps just a little less obvious, but obvious still. The tone of their obedience even seeks to remind the viewing public that they weren't and didn't feel "coherced" by the White House call which I believe. As domestic corporate journalists they can only be punished in ways that nail profits, which is scary, but not the end of the world. It isn't like running a TV station outside American laws, which as we all know from the Kosovo conflict, means that the White House might simply kill you for non-American viewpoints. You can almost hear some military accountant whispering to the president how much cheaper it would have been to bomb NBC rather than foot the bill for a conference call "...~if we could just figure out a way to get away with it, Mr. President~...". Let's deal with the reality. Our military leaders with our support are at war or psuedo-war against an obviously deranged philosophy that happens to be figureheaded by a man with the big 'C'. The big 'C' is Charisma - the kind of stuff that helps keep even our own if not anyone's leaders in charge, not to mention helps to facilitate any conceivable intelligence operation you care to script. Ergo the military understands it well, and they're sharp enough to see when the enemy has it. "Asking" the media to knock off exposing us to the big 'C' is not about the preventitive distribution of secret handshakes or the thoughtful consideration of what's news or isn't news. No! It's about the military machine getting what IT wants. Control, limited perspective, and all the other intangibles it thinks it needs to win the (cough) 'war'. Our media isn't supposed to be unsympathetic to that; they get it. We ALL get it. But to deal in the light of tactical objective as though it were the light of safety or editorial policy eclipses the war in its own creepy implications. The genie is out of the bottle now for whatever the military decides IT wants in the future. Those who play the game, those who the military can't legally kill anyway, will be rewarded with the privilege of permission to make profits in America. It was a hush-hush fact before, but now, it's policy. It's now policy folks. Dave ARTICLE FOLLOWS Thursday October 11 08:59 AM EDT At U.S. Request, Networks Agree to Edit Future bin Laden Tapes By BILL CARTER and FELICITY BARRINGER The New York Times The five major television news organizations have agreed to follow the suggestion of the White House and abridge future videotaped statements from Osama bin Laden. The five major television news organizations reached a joint agreement yesterday to follow the suggestion of the White House and abridge any future videotaped statements from Osama bin Laden or his followers to remove language the government considers inflammatory. The decision, the first time in memory that the networks had agreed to a joint arrangement to limit their prospective news coverage, was described by one network executive as a "patriotic" decision that grew out of a conference call between the nation's top television news executives and the White House national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, yesterday morning. The five news organizations, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, along with its subsidiary, MSNBC, the Cable News Network and the Fox News Channel all had broadcast, unedited, a taped message from Mr. bin Laden on Sunday. On Tuesday, the all-news cable channels, CNN, Fox News and MSNBC, also carried the complete speech of a spokesmen for Al Qaeda. Ari Fleischer, the White House spokesman, indicated in his news briefing yesterday that Ms. Rice was primarily concerned that terrorists could be using the broadcasts to send coded messages to other terrorists, but the network executives said in interviews that this was only a secondary consideration. They said Ms. Rice mainly argued that the tapes enabled Mr. bin Laden to vent propaganda intended to incite hatred and potentially kill more Americans. The executives said that they would broadcast only short parts of any tape issued by Al Qaeda and would eliminate any passages containing flowery rhetoric urging violence against Americans. They agreed to accompany the tapes with reports providing what they called appropriate context. They also agreed to avoid repeatedly showing excerpts from the tapes, which they had previously done in what one executive described as "video wallpaper." One network, ABC, said it would limit the use of moving images from tapes released by Mr. Bin Laden or Al Qaeda, mostly relying on a still picture from a frame of the tape and the printed text of whatever message was being delivered. The coverage of the aftermath of the terrorists attacks on New York and the Pentagon has generated intense competitive pressure among the television news organizations, which has increased this week as the news divisions labored to find images to continue documenting American attacks on Afghanistan. The tapes have been broadcast by the Arabic language satellite network Al Jazeera and picked up by the American networks. The news executives said they had never previously consulted one other en masse and come to an agreement on a policy about coverage. But they said the current circumstances were unlike any others they had encountered. "This is a new situation, a new war and a new kind of enemy," said Andrew Heyward, the president of CBS News. "Given the historic events we're enmeshed in, it's appropriate to explore new ways of fulfilling our responsibilities to the public." The presidents of the news divisions all said that Ms. Rice had not tried to coerce them. "She was very gentle, very diplomatic, very deft," said Roger Ailes, the chairman of Fox News. Walter Isaacson, the chairman of CNN, said, "It was very useful to hear their information and their thinking." He added, "After hearing Dr. Rice, we're not going to step on the land mines she was talking about." Mr. Isaacson did not specify what information Ms. Rice had provided that led to the executives' decision. "Her biggest point," said Neal Shapiro, the president of NBC News, "was that here was a charismatic speaker who could arouse anti- American sentiment getting 20 minutes of air time to spew hatred and urge his followers to kill Americans." The notion that Mr. bin Laden was sending messages to followers through the tapes seemed less than credible to several of the executives. "What sense would it make to keep the tapes off the air if the message could be found transcripted in newspapers or on the Web?" said one network executive, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The videos could also appear on the Internet. They'd get the message anyway." The unusual interaction between the White House and television executives was set up late Tuesday evening when Ms. Rice called each executive. They gathered in their offices at 9 a.m. for the conference call. She spoke with them for about 20 minutes, explaining her reservations about allowing Mr. bin Laden such access to American television. A White House official familiar with the phone call said Ms Rice had two concerns: that the messages would reach any remaining terrorist cells in the United States and would also inflame Muslim populations in such places as Malaysia and the Philippines, who would see the tapes through international channels of CNN and NBC. Ms. Rice answered questions. Then she hung up. But the executives had agreed before the call to stay on the line and talk among themselves. The networks were not the first news organizations to acquiesce to an administration requests to edit or withhold information. Leonard Downie Jr., the executive editor of The Washington Post, said yesterday that "a handful of times" in the past month, the newspaper's reporting had prompted calls from administration officials who "raised concerns that a specific story or more often that certain facts in a certain story, would compromise national security." Mr. Downie added, "In some instances we have kept out of stories certain facts that we agreed could be detrimental to national security and not instrumental to our readers, such as methods of intelligence collection." Clark Hoyt, the Washington editor of Knight Ridder, said his organization had decided to hold back a report about "some small units of U.S. special operations forces had entered Afghanistan and were trying to locate bin Laden" within two weeks of the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. Howell Raines, the executive editor of The New York Times, said that since Sept. 11, Times executives had not had any conversations with government officials about the handling of sensitive information. Mr. Raines said: "Our longstanding practice has been that if a high government official wants to talk to us about security issues, we're available for that conversation. We also would feel free to seek guidance if there was information in our judgment that might be sensitive." The networks' decision has not raised serious protests among television journalists. Ted Koppel, the ABC "Nightline" anchor, said, "If we want to run some of the videotape, our understanding is we're still free to do it." But, Mr. Koppel said, the videotapes by and large have not been compelling enough for long showings. The CBS anchor, Dan Rather, said: "By nature and experience, I'm always wary when the government seeks in any way to have a hand in editorial decisions. But this is an extraordinary time. In the context of this time, the conversation as I understand it seems reasonable on both sides." 86 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 13, 2001 3:43pm Subject: Bill Speeds Thru Congress zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52291-2001Oct12.html?referer=emai\ l ------------------------ Dave - in regards to your earlier post - 2 thoughts came to mind - men like violence (this is what I heard an author of a WW1 history book give as his answer to the question "Why did WW1 happen?") - perhaps USA should be changed to USL (United States of Lemmings) - or is it USS (United States of Sheeplings) 87 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 13, 2001 3:48pm Subject: Openness in Australia zerg90@... Send Email Send Email The SA-Scanning list is having a little openness type discussion. The general consensus seems to be that it is OK to have a scanner as long as you dont listen to any telephone calls and you dont tell anyone what you here ( and you dont show up at crime scenes). Reportedly the media uses scanners to get leads in their work (just like the uSA). There was mention of the fact that radio and TV licenses were required by ?listeners and ?viewers in Australia ?30 years ago. Anybody know if the news media in China, India, South Afriac, etc have access to scanners? Peter S 88 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 13, 2001 3:51pm Subject: Capitol Hill Security zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52292-2001Oct12.html?referer=emai\ l Capitalism Hill already has 1300 cops - now they want to spend $600M more on security - at least their radio channels are still open AFAIK. 89 From: public@... Date: Sat Oct 13, 2001 5:54pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted public@... Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.msnbc.com/news/639359.asp Citizens Use Scanners In Defense Of Extremist Threats Fearing that more hijackers, gunmen, bombers, and other militant extremists might be gearing up for another attack on domestic American targets, we're on edge. This report mentions that citizens are buying, among other things, police scanners in record volume. Can you imagine the irresponsibility, now, of those who decided to plunge their cities and counties into closed radio systems? You might as well hand militant extremists a key to the city and say "Hey, have a field day!". Open Broadcasting saves lives and where it still exists, the people are safer and better off. I hope this thought will be a wake up call to any borderline situation deciding between open or closed broadcasting or some compensation in lieu of. There IS no public safety in public ignorance, which matters now like never before. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 90 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Oct 14, 2001 10:20pm Subject: Worst Fears Realized! public@... Send Email Send Email I wish I had more time or discipline to ply over my campaign than I do. These days there isn't a headline that doesn't go by that I want to scream out and shout something over. There's so much here that ties into our campaign now that it would take a pay site to collect, comment on, and do all over again multiple times. *whew* Well one thing I've managed to get my arms around in all of this is the recent agreement between television networks and the White House to limit television exposure to enemy speeches and statements. I find this a definite slide for free media. But I'm curious if anyone else here feels the same way. Is protecting ourselves from the distribution of one or two supplementary codes by the enemy worth the terrific drop in the credibility of Western media? I'm getting mostly negative flack for my position on this and wonder what Openners think? Negative or otherwise. Remember, in local communities we're being asked to rely upon accredited media for the kind of information we used to overhear on open public safety radio networks. Most local newspapers, for example, get programmed receive-only radios to monitor police with. In some way the rationale goes that our local media affiliates will fight the battle of open access for us in fighting for themselves. But instead of that happening, we're being sold dependence while they themselves agree to limit perspective. This was little more than theoretical in our campaign a few months ago, but now it's stark reality. Shortwave radio transmissions are largely controlled by one agenda or another, and increasingly jammed by the same. So if you can't buy a police scanner, can't use a shortwave radio, and you can't depend on those who protect public access in even their own name, what's left? What does everyone think here? Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 91 From: "Sally" Date: Sun Oct 14, 2001 11:50pm Subject: Re: Worst Fears Realized! slbreeze@... Send Email Send Email Regarding enemy speeches being viewed on television: I think you have to look at who were dealing with here. He's not your average Lieutenant leading his everyday soldiers to war. This man has been sneaking around our country with his front runners for several years, right under our noses planning this blood bath against our innocent citizens. As I've heard it said, he assassinates over 5,000 people and then hides in a cave. The mentality that has come against us is much more than a snake or a coward! He's one of the most manipulative evil beings that has ever existed. Would this person use our Media to send signals and messages across the air waves to communicate his next plan of attack? Yes, I think he would. This monster really has nothing where he is in life, and abhorrer's America because we live in a prosperous thriving nation. I'm not upset because they've elected to keep him off the air. I think at this point, it's probably a wise thing to do. We still don't know where all of the enemy are living, next door, at the office - at the local corner store. I think in the end, we'll see his transmissions but in order for the Government to carry out their execution I think some things need to be out of the public eye. After all, do we really know whom we can trust? Sally Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pinero" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: [Openness] Worst Fears Realized! > > I wish I had more time or discipline to ply over my campaign than I > do. These days there isn't a headline that doesn't go by that I want to > scream out and shout something over. There's so much here that ties > into our campaign now that it would take a pay site to collect, comment > on, and do all over again multiple times. *whew* > > Well one thing I've managed to get my arms around in all of this is > the recent agreement between television networks and the White House to > limit television exposure to enemy speeches and statements. I find this > a definite slide for free media. But I'm curious if anyone else here > feels the same way. Is protecting ourselves from the distribution of > one or two supplementary codes by the enemy worth the terrific drop in > the credibility of Western media? I'm getting mostly negative flack for > my position on this and wonder what Openners think? Negative or > otherwise. Remember, in local communities we're being asked to rely > upon accredited media for the kind of information we used to overhear on > open public safety radio networks. Most local newspapers, for example, > get programmed receive-only radios to monitor police with. In some way > the rationale goes that our local media affiliates will fight the battle > of open access for us in fighting for themselves. But instead of that > happening, we're being sold dependence while they themselves agree to > limit perspective. This was little more than theoretical in our > campaign a few months ago, but now it's stark reality. Shortwave radio > transmissions are largely controlled by one agenda or another, and > increasingly jammed by the same. So if you can't buy a police scanner, > can't use a shortwave radio, and you can't depend on those who protect > public access in even their own name, what's left? > > What does everyone think here? > > Dave > > David Pinero > Tampa, Fl. > AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 > http://www.davidpinero.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 92 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Oct 15, 2001 0:06am Subject: Dateline Sunday Tonite - Photog at WTC zerg90@... Send Email Send Email The last segment on the NBC show Dateline Sunday tonite is about NY Daily News photographer David ?Henshoe. He was enroute to teach a photojournalism class in Manhattan when he heard this message via his scanners: "send every piece of apparatus that is in Manhattan, a plane just heard the World Trade Center, and everything is on fire". He tailgated a Rescue Company to the scene and snapped many photos before the 2nd plane hit. Mr Henshoe suffered a serious leg fracture when one of the Towers collapsed, and was rescued by public safety workers and carried to a ferry for evacuation to New Jersey. 93 From: fllw_fan@... Date: Mon Oct 15, 2001 0:15am Subject: Re: Worst Fears Realized! fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email David: I agree wholeheartedly with your concerns. The recent rumors floating around regarding attempts by NSC and FCC to halt development and production of a P-25 capable scanner are equally alarming. John --- In Openness@y..., "David Pinero" wrote: > > I wish I had more time or discipline to ply over my campaign than I > do. These days there isn't a headline that doesn't go by that I want to > scream out and shout something over. There's so much here that ties > into our campaign now that it would take a pay site to collect, comment > on, and do all over again multiple times. *whew* > > Well one thing I've managed to get my arms around in all of this is > the recent agreement between television networks and the White House to > limit television exposure to enemy speeches and statements. I find this > a definite slide for free media. But I'm curious if anyone else here > feels the same way. Is protecting ourselves from the distribution of > one or two supplementary codes by the enemy worth the terrific drop in > the credibility of Western media? I'm getting mostly negative flack for > my position on this and wonder what Openners think? Negative or > otherwise. Remember, in local communities we're being asked to rely > upon accredited media for the kind of information we used to overhear on > open public safety radio networks. Most local newspapers, for example, > get programmed receive-only radios to monitor police with. In some way > the rationale goes that our local media affiliates will fight the battle > of open access for us in fighting for themselves. But instead of that > happening, we're being sold dependence while they themselves agree to > limit perspective. This was little more than theoretical in our > campaign a few months ago, but now it's stark reality. Shortwave radio > transmissions are largely controlled by one agenda or another, and > increasingly jammed by the same. So if you can't buy a police scanner, > can't use a shortwave radio, and you can't depend on those who protect > public access in even their own name, what's left? > > What does everyone think here? > > Dave > > David Pinero > Tampa, Fl. > AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 > http://www.davidpinero.com 94 From: av8tor@... Date: Mon Oct 15, 2001 0:21am Subject: Re: Worst Fears Realized! av8tor@... Send Email Send Email Buy keeping his speaches off of US TV and Radio Stations really isn't going to keep is message from reaching those it needs to reach. His followers here in the US only need to tune in to a few Shortwave broadcasters from other countries which are carring his speaches. As much as we all hate Bin Laden, no one can dispute that is a very smart person and probably has already thought of many ways for his followers to get their marching orders. I don't think censoring the US media will stop Bin Laden from doing what he wants to do. >Regarding enemy speeches being viewed on television: >I think you have to look at who were dealing with here. He's not your >average Lieutenant leading his everyday soldiers to war. This man has been >sneaking around our country with his front runners for several years, right >under our noses planning this blood bath against our innocent citizens. As >I've heard it said, he assassinates over 5,000 people and then hides in a >cave. The mentality that has come against us is much more than a snake or a >coward! He's one of the most manipulative evil beings that has ever >existed. Would this person use our Media to send signals and messages >across the air waves to communicate his next plan of attack? Yes, I think >he would. This monster really has nothing where he is in life, and >abhorrer's America because we live in a prosperous thriving nation. >I'm not upset because they've elected to keep him off the air. I think at >this point, it's probably a wise thing to do. We still don't know where all >of the enemy are living, next door, at the office - at the local corner >store. I think in the end, we'll see his transmissions but in order for the >Government to carry out their execution I think some things need to be out >of the public eye. After all, do we really know whom we can trust? > >Sally Stewart > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Pinero" >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:20 PM >Subject: [Openness] Worst Fears Realized! > > >> >> I wish I had more time or discipline to ply over my campaign than I >> do. These days there isn't a headline that doesn't go by that I want to >> scream out and shout something over. There's so much here that ties >> into our campaign now that it would take a pay site to collect, comment >> on, and do all over again multiple times. *whew* >> >> Well one thing I've managed to get my arms around in all of this is >> the recent agreement between television networks and the White House to >> limit television exposure to enemy speeches and statements. I find this >> a definite slide for free media. But I'm curious if anyone else here >> feels the same way. Is protecting ourselves from the distribution of >> one or two supplementary codes by the enemy worth the terrific drop in >> the credibility of Western media? I'm getting mostly negative flack for >> my position on this and wonder what Openners think? Negative or >> otherwise. Remember, in local communities we're being asked to rely >> upon accredited media for the kind of information we used to overhear on >> open public safety radio networks. Most local newspapers, for example, >> get programmed receive-only radios to monitor police with. In some way >> the rationale goes that our local media affiliates will fight the battle >> of open access for us in fighting for themselves. But instead of that >> happening, we're being sold dependence while they themselves agree to >> limit perspective. This was little more than theoretical in our >> campaign a few months ago, but now it's stark reality. Shortwave radio >> transmissions are largely controlled by one agenda or another, and >> increasingly jammed by the same. So if you can't buy a police scanner, >> can't use a shortwave radio, and you can't depend on those who protect >> public access in even their own name, what's left? >> >> What does everyone think here? >> >> Dave >> >> David Pinero >> Tampa, Fl. >> AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 >> http://www.davidpinero.com >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ______________________________________________________ I make Over $5000 per Week on eBay! Make eBay(tm) Your Job and Earn BIG $$$ ---->http://www.licensed4fun.com/ebay<---- ______________________________________________________ 95 From: "captscott" Date: Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:12am Subject: Re: Worst Fears Realized! captscott@... Send Email Send Email At this point in time, I feel that this is a very credible security issue, not an openness issue. The purpose is not to censor the media but to protect the public. And if we have to forgo seeing lunatics who very well may be sending codes, to save more lives, I am all for it!!!! Scott > > I wish I had more time or discipline to ply over my campaign than I > > do. These days there isn't a headline that doesn't go by that I want to > > scream out and shout something over. There's so much here that ties > > into our campaign now that it would take a pay site to collect, comment > > on, and do all over again multiple times. *whew* > > > > Well one thing I've managed to get my arms around in all of this is > > the recent agreement between television networks and the White House to > > limit television exposure to enemy speeches and statements. I find this > > a definite slide for free media. But I'm curious if anyone else here > > feels the same way. Is protecting ourselves from the distribution of > > one or two supplementary codes by the enemy worth the terrific drop in > > the credibility of Western media? I'm getting mostly negative flack for > > my position on this and wonder what Openners think? Negative or > > otherwise. Remember, in local communities we're being asked to rely > > upon accredited media for the kind of information we used to overhear on > > open public safety radio networks. Most local newspapers, for example, > > get programmed receive-only radios to monitor police with. In some way > > the rationale goes that our local media affiliates will fight the battle > > of open access for us in fighting for themselves. But instead of that > > happening, we're being sold dependence while they themselves agree to > > limit perspective. This was little more than theoretical in our > > campaign a few months ago, but now it's stark reality. Shortwave radio > > transmissions are largely controlled by one agenda or another, and > > increasingly jammed by the same. So if you can't buy a police scanner, > > can't use a shortwave radio, and you can't depend on those who protect > > public access in even their own name, what's left? > > > > What does everyone think here? > > > > Dave > > > > David Pinero > > Tampa, Fl. > > AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 > > http://www.davidpinero.com > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 96 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Oct 15, 2001 9:49pm Subject: Re: Worst Fears Realized! public@... Send Email Send Email --- In Openness@y..., "captscott" wrote: > At this point in time, I feel that this is a very credible security >issue, This is the distinction many here and elsewhere seem to be making. I won't buy into that myself because in every conflict an abundance of media is transmitted. If we begin to wonder about every conceivable way that someone might make code out of their presentation, or the relevance of that assuming there's always SOME code, we wouldn't be able to make use of electronic media in times of conflict at all. How do we know that a dead man approach wasn't used which goes along the lines "Attack when the White House orders our speeches off the air!?" Should we run a 24 hour Osama bin Laden's cable channel to be sure? I think this was a tactical decision first (psychological discouragement to prevent domestic support as if one would have to worry about that in the first place. Osama is the leading suspect in having killed 6,000 of us!), and a safety issue, second and only as the selling spin. Remember, even the TV executives are calling public safety considerations secondary. I just don't think any make- it-or-break-it code is going to be left to the random possibility it might or might not be aired. An entire Jihad is not going to be left up to a FOX producer's whim about whether or not to cut into the football game with Osama's speech. I might be overlooking a key point and if any of the spooks here want to break silence and chime in with a professional correction, I'm all eyes and ears. Subtract my personal interpretation for sake of argument. Whether it is a just move, and whether it makes us truly safer or not, it still reinforces the case that packaged professional media is not a solution to anyone's local closed system. We see now very clearly how easily those channels are turned off the moment someone persuades someone somewhere to do so. Dave 97 From: "Sally" Date: Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:54pm Subject: Re: Re: Worst Fears Realized! slbreeze@... Send Email Send Email Persuasion? Or National Security. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pinero" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: [Openness] Re: Worst Fears Realized! > --- In Openness@y..., "captscott" wrote: > > > At this point in time, I feel that this is a very credible security > >issue, > > This is the distinction many here and elsewhere seem to be making. > I won't buy into that myself because in every conflict an abundance > of media is transmitted. If we begin to wonder about every > conceivable way that someone might make code out of their > presentation, or the relevance of that assuming there's always SOME > code, we wouldn't be able to make use of electronic media in times of > conflict at all. How do we know that a dead man approach wasn't used > which goes along the lines "Attack when the White House orders our > speeches off the air!?" Should we run a 24 hour Osama bin Laden's > cable channel to be sure? > > I think this was a tactical decision first (psychological > discouragement to prevent domestic support as if one would have to > worry about that in the first place. Osama is the leading suspect in > having killed 6,000 of us!), and a safety issue, second and only as > the selling spin. Remember, even the TV executives are calling > public safety considerations secondary. I just don't think any make- > it-or-break-it code is going to be left to the random possibility it > might or might not be aired. An entire Jihad is not going to be left > up to a FOX producer's whim about whether or not to cut into the > football game with Osama's speech. I might be overlooking a key > point and if any of the spooks here want to break silence and chime > in with a professional correction, I'm all eyes and ears. > > Subtract my personal interpretation for sake of argument. Whether > it is a just move, and whether it makes us truly safer or not, it > still reinforces the case that packaged professional media is not a > solution to anyone's local closed system. We see now very clearly > how easily those channels are turned off the moment someone persuades > someone somewhere to do so. > > Dave > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 98 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:55am Subject: RE: Re: Worst Fears Realized! public@... Send Email Send Email Hmm, well I'll consider it persuasion to force recognition of what national security variables exist. If anyone believes the threat from Osama's speeches and statements are so overwhelmingly threatening to our national security, it's a slam dunk case. If I believed it, maybe even I'd think differently. But, the BBC and Al Jazeera Television are wrestling away or outright ignoring the same requests, which, if our national security so depends upon it, means we're doomed. Are we? It's completely understandable that any military force would discourage broader viewpoints and rampant intellectualism if it meant securing every single soldier, every single jet, every single building, and every single citizen. It's not understandable that a reputed democratic media like ours would be talked into thinking the same way so uncritically. But more to the cause here, it's terrible that people would be asked to give up their scanners, ears, and eyes, for whatever artificial and evidently selective news delivery mechanism they might be replaced with. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: Sally [mailto:slbreeze@...] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:54 PM To: Openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Openness] Re: Worst Fears Realized! Persuasion? Or National Security. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pinero" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: [Openness] Re: Worst Fears Realized! > --- In Openness@y..., "captscott" wrote: > > > At this point in time, I feel that this is a very credible security > >issue, > > This is the distinction many here and elsewhere seem to be making. I > won't buy into that myself because in every conflict an abundance of > media is transmitted. If we begin to wonder about every conceivable > way that someone might make code out of their presentation, or the > relevance of that assuming there's always SOME code, we wouldn't be > able to make use of electronic media in times of conflict at all. How > do we know that a dead man approach wasn't used which goes along the > lines "Attack when the White House orders our speeches off the air!?" > Should we run a 24 hour Osama bin Laden's cable channel to be sure? > > I think this was a tactical decision first (psychological > discouragement to prevent domestic support as if one would have to > worry about that in the first place. Osama is the leading suspect in > having killed 6,000 of us!), and a safety issue, second and only as > the selling spin. Remember, even the TV executives are calling public > safety considerations secondary. I just don't think any make- > it-or-break-it code is going to be left to the random possibility it > might or might not be aired. An entire Jihad is not going to be left > up to a FOX producer's whim about whether or not to cut into the > football game with Osama's speech. I might be overlooking a key point > and if any of the spooks here want to break silence and chime in with > a professional correction, I'm all eyes and ears. > > Subtract my personal interpretation for sake of argument. Whether > it is a just move, and whether it makes us truly safer or not, it > still reinforces the case that packaged professional media is not a > solution to anyone's local closed system. We see now very clearly how > easily those channels are turned off the moment someone persuades > someone somewhere to do so. > > Dave > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 99 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:05pm Subject: Military Buys Exclusive Rights To Cmrcl Sat Photos of Af-gone-istan hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email U.S. pays for exclusive satellite rights The United States military is paying commercial satellite companies for the exclusive rights to their images of Afghanistan. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/643240.asp 100 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:12pm Subject: www.theconnection.org Right Now hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Connection on NPR is talking about the media and truth during wars right now - try www.theconnection.org or www.wbur.org 101 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 11:44am Subject: OP ED: SCRAP 800 MHZ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The District has spent more than $5 million on a new 800 MHz system. Its failures will be the cause of much finger-pointing. But when you get what you asked for, there's no one to blame but yourself. It's time for the District to ask the FCC for permission to move the frequencies of the public-safety communications systems back down to ranges where they can function reliably. And, if it costs another $5 million to modify or replace the radios, so be it. http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20011014-50839165.htm 102 From: Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 3:40am Subject: MSNBC News Link: Cops on the beat, but not in the loop dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email David Pinero sent you this MSNBC News Link: Message: The irony is that you could extend this feeling of alienation to good citizens who wonder why Cops on the beat keep THEM out of the loop. ** Cops on the beat, but not in the loop ** America's local police forces have become the front line in a nation transformed by terrorism, but officers are beset by long hours and frustrated with what many see as a culture of non-information from the FBI. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/643432.asp ______________________________________________________________________ Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 65.35.169.154 103 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:19pm Subject: $100 For A Month's Worth Of Phone Records hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email 'I know who you called last month' How much would it cost someone to trace your movements all last month? About $100. Dozens of Web sites will sell a copy of anyone's cell phone bill or long distance calling bill. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/643573.asp 104 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:38pm Subject: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/16/national/16PLAN.html?pagewanted=1&todaysheadli\ nes 105 From: "David Pinero" Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:14pm Subject: Re: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email You know it's interesting. In thinking about this it occurred to me how odd it was that no one reported communication devices being used by the hijackers. I thought it funny that something that needed to go down with such precision seemed to be left to nothing but discipline. Then I thought about these "errant" directives to passengers over the air comm channels. Isn't it possible that what sound like mistakes made by the hijackers who thought they were broadcasting into the flight cabin, were actually deliberate attempts to tell the 2nd jet (in code, in ironic backdrop to my last few messages) that the first one had been hijacked as per plan, and to begin diverting itself. I recall reading somewhere that even the second jet would have heard the broadcasts, and that 5 minutes after the broadcasts were made the second jet did indeed begin its turn back to New York. The hijackers made no attempt to smuggle communication equipment aboard, or to use cell phones at high altitude, because under this scenario they planned to use on board air communications. Dave 106 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:40pm Subject: Re: Re: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Interesting thoughts Dave. Just to be plain about things - I thought that it was interesting that a major newspaper was running transcripts of two way radio communications. It was not public safety two way radio communications, but it was darn close. Peter S 107 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 0:44pm Subject: Re: Re: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >Just to be plain about things - I thought that it was interesting that a >major newspaper was running transcripts of two way radio communications. >It was not public safety two way radio communications, but it was darn >close. 47 U.S.C. 705 exempts communications relating to ships and aircraft in distress from its divulgence prohibitions. -Dave, NF2G 108 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:22pm Subject: Re: Re: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email What is your point Dave? Peter S 109 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:31pm Subject: Re: Re: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >What is your point Dave? You expressed surprise at the publication of transcripts. It happens all the time with 9-1-1 tapes (released under FOIA if not voluntarily) and public safety radio communications (authorized by First Amendment). Certain non-public safety radio traffic is legal to divulge according to federal law including transmissions from aircraft in distress. Did I miss YOUR point? -Dave, NF2G 110 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 4:02pm Subject: China Unblocks Websites hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.cnn.com/2001/BUSINESS/asia/10/17/china.web/index.html Check out the photos - police or military officer in top photo at a computer ?cafe - highrise 100 story buildings in China (no doubt a reference to terrorist threats that China might face) Peter S 111 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 4:05pm Subject: Re: Re: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I rarely see 911 phone call transcripts or public safety radio communications transcripts in newspapers. I think that the fullpages of transcripts in the NY Times might be a quiet victory for "Openness". You say potatoe - I say tomato :-) Peter S 112 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 4:12pm Subject: I Gotta Get One Of Them Russian Scanners hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Russia closing huge eavesdropping site in Cuba http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/national/digdocs/088791.htm They can hear cell radio comms all the way to Washington??? Even Seattle??? :-) Peter S 113 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:06pm Subject: Scanners Inspired Rescuer hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Rescue crew | Aiding efforts in New York Sept. 11, rower Read has tragedy in his wake http://emailnews.boston.com/show_story?id=3458 The rescue officer from New Jersey who ran the EMS communications show on the NJ shore during the WTC tragedy was inspired by listening to a scanner as a youth. 114 From: Matthew Payne Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:02pm Subject: Re: Re: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms aparecium1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email For those of us not blessed with a NY Times user name and ID, would you mind posting the article :-P Matt On Wed, 2001-10-17 at 18:40, zerg90@... wrote: > Interesting thoughts Dave. > > Just to be plain about things - I thought that it was interesting that a > major newspaper was running transcripts of two way radio communications. > It was not public safety two way radio communications, but it was darn > close. > > Peter S > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 115 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:10pm Subject: Fed Govt Seeks Secure Computer System hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.channel2000.com/sh/technology/stories/national-technology-10113972001\ 1010-171001.html Will they use these computers in the War on Crime, the War on Poverty, the War on Terror, the War on Drugs, or the War on Wars? 116 From: public@... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 0:34am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foiapost/2001foiapost19.htm FBI: Get Creative In Rejecting Freedom A memo by new Attorney General John Ashcroft appears to urge working agencies to get creative in withholding information from the public - the General will defend them. This memo indicates that a slight change in policy wording should make hiding information easier, and that a bit more thoroughness in research might yield more permissable request denials. However, the memo also alludes that this effort is in our best interests. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 117 From: public@... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 0:36am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foiapost/2001foiapost19.htm Ashcroft: GET CREATIVE IN REJECTING FREEDOM A memo by new Attorney General John Ashcroft appears to urge working agencies to get creative in withholding information from the public - the General will defend them. This memo indicates that a slight change in policy wording should make hiding information easier, and that a bit more thoroughness in research might yield more permissable request denials. However, the memo also alludes that this effort is in our best interests. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 118 From: public@... Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:42am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/291/sports/Rescue_crew+.shtml Scanner Inspires Rescuer Many law enforcement workers and journalists get their start by listening to police scanners. The drama and excitement of public safety activity often stirs a serious career in helping others. In this particular story a World Trade Center communications volunteer mentions how his story began with his fingers on the volume control. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 119 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 1:43am Subject: RE: Re: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Actually the transcripts are broken up over a number of pages. They're even deemed a "multimedia" report by the New York Times, so in this case it's actually hard to post the most interesting material. However, the registration is free and the site will remember you on future visits. I highly recommend you check out Peter's link as it is fascinating. What I'm waiting for is for someone to post the actual audio to the net. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Payne [mailto:kb9uje@...] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:02 PM To: Openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Openness] Re: NY Times Has Hijacked Aircraft Comms For those of us not blessed with a NY Times user name and ID, would you mind posting the article :-P Matt On Wed, 2001-10-17 at 18:40, zerg90@... wrote: > Interesting thoughts Dave. > > Just to be plain about things - I thought that it was interesting that > a major newspaper was running transcripts of two way radio > communications. It was not public safety two way radio communications, > but it was darn close. > > Peter S > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 120 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:37am Subject: CBS 48 Hours Reports On Scannist Who Saved Thousands Of Lives dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email As I type this CBS's 48 Hours has just finished telling the story of PATH train operator Richie Moran. The program directly and irrefutably credited Moran with saving "thousands" by his quick decision to reverse incoming trains before delivering their passengers to the plaza under the World Trade Center. What the program doesn't mention, but is nonetheless recorded by the Star Ledger of New Jersey, is that Moran himself was tipped off by a police scanner. http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/page1/ledger/1470998.html This is validation of the long-standing thesis of the Openness campaign that wide area notification of dangers against the public directly TO the public make everyone safer. Narrow communication is dangerously ommissive and kills by effect. It's even time to begin looking at the public safety radio communication process as a function of public safety itself - not just a tool of its workers. You can't predict who will receive open signals, or what position they'll be in to help whatever event is unfolding. But that's the nature of openness - man erects the towers, God instills the spirit of curiosity, helpfulness, and position, in every human being listening in. Thousands of people were saved by a hundred dollar scanner September 11. This counts onward to tens of thousands of families which were spared grief, and hundreds of thousands who will live on generation after generation because this fundamental tenement of openness rings so absolutely true. I don't know who you happen to be, you who are so staunchly for closed systems. But now, finally, will you admit this campaign has a point? Do we have to send 5,000 happily living people to your front door before you will relent to think beyond whatever it is that confines you? C'mon. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 121 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:41am Subject: Openness Works dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From the CBS 48 Hours Website Tonight: http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,315156-412,00.shtml "By 8:50 a.m., trainmaster Rich Moran knew the danger facing thousands of people on underground commuter trains that were streaming into the World Trade Center. He gave instructions to four trains in about 30 seconds and we went back to confirm that each person knew what the instructions were. The instructions: "Not to let anyone out at World Trade. Two trains had to be offloaded on the Jersey side. On one train, the doors opened but people were warned not to get off the train. Within minutes of the first plane hitting Tower 1, Port Authority workers had kept 5,000 people from the destruction. But their work was just beginning." -- Openness at work, September 11, 2001. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 122 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:36pm Subject: Is the First Amendment in Danger? dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here is a lengthy essay posted October 11 by the International Freedom of Expression Exchange. The essay is long but critiques nearly every aspect of the debate between patriotism versus the American media value system. http://www.ifex.org/alerts/view.html?id=9546 Some interesting points include censorship at ground zero of the attack in New York City - even picture takers at the very parameter of the site are being arrested! Hey, isn't that Openness.org prediction # 342? Also, though I missed this, this essay remarks on a Texas columnist who was fired by his newspaper after harping about the cowardly hopscotch George Bush made around the country in the hours that followed the first wave of militant attacks. Which, by the way, wasn't I'm sure wasn't really cowardly so much as it was a security measure. Aren't members of government supposed to be shielded during times of national attack? I personally wasn't that put off by this. I believe the point is that insiders knew it would LOOK cowardly and this led to a subsequent drunken "credible threat" release which among the ears and eyes of anyone who could tie a shoelace wound up forcing valid speculation. The selling of a "credible threat" announcement was more civil-terrifying than the perfectly understandable explanation that we have to hide the prez lest we lose him when things are chaotically uncertain. Anyway... My conclusion on this is that, free thinkers or not, we better embrace blind patriotism as a form of emotional self-defense against the anguishing truth few of us could bear. Our level of patriotism doesn't matter. Whether we as average citizens support the party line or not, our authorities are going to do whatever they want. Bush doesn't have to rush to the defense of a newspaper columnist who was fired in his name. He doesn't care one way or another what that columnist thinks. Patriotism, to our leaders, seems solely useful to the extent that this hides that. So, if this is a war on terrorism, it must be. If there are codes embedded in the statements of the accused, there must be. If a helicopter crashes accidentally, it must have. It's not our military action to the extent that we are entitled to think, wonder, or criticize about its various components. It's not our relevant place to wonder whether or not there might be a better way to stifle murderous militants, or a better way to punish and bring justice to them. It's not our place because this isn't our business. Blind patriotism, I suppose, helps us to swallow that bitter reality pill, so let's all just line up dumbly for our dose and live a little more blissfully than not. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 123 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 11:07pm Subject: Dateline NBC at 8PM EDT Tonite hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dateline NBC at 8PM EDT tonight will replay the story of the news photographer who was alerted to the WTC incident by his scanners as he travelled to Manhattan to teach a photojournalism class. You will see photos that were taken during the initial stages of the rescue operation and during the collapses. Peter S 124 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:30am Subject: RE: Dateline NBC at 8PM EDT Tonite dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Thanks for the tip, Peter. I caught your message in time to watch it. I notice The Trueman Show follows it. How absolutely fitting, in these days of managed mass perspective. I urge everyone to tune in or rent it. It's a good film as well as opt. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: zerg90@... [mailto:zerg90@...] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:07 PM To: Openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Openness] Dateline NBC at 8PM EDT Tonite Dateline NBC at 8PM EDT tonight will replay the story of the news photographer who was alerted to the WTC incident by his scanners as he travelled to Manhattan to teach a photojournalism class. You will see photos that were taken during the initial stages of the rescue operation and during the collapses. Peter S To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 125 From: sjw Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:24am Subject: Open Signals sjw78201 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I agree with you 100+%. Too bad the congressmen of this country don't get that message. They are the ones who have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the wireless phone company monopolies who in turn have turned the FCC into their own little domains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 126 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 2:04pm Subject: RE: Dateline NBC at 8PM EDT Tonite hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email And I noticed that one point the "police" radio started coming over the radio in Truman's car. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that! 127 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:06pm Subject: Bush Proclaims "Openness For All" hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email QUOTE OF THE DAY ========================= "Terrorists want to turn the openness of the global economy against itself. We must not let them." -PRESIDENT BUSH http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/21/international/asia/21PREX.html?todaysheadlines 128 From: "John Linko" Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 9:27pm Subject: A memorable quote from the president fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email While the quotation might be out of context in relationship to public safety communications, the principles that validate this statement are equally applicable to many disciplines and concepts, including the free exchange of information and ideas, and the ability of the public to freely monitor the public airwaves. ``Choose openness, trade and commerce and you will find prosperity, liberty and knowledge. Choose isolation and envy and resentment and you will find poverty, stagnation and ignorance,'' George W. Bush, in speech to APEC gathering this weekend. John MNN-009 N3RTS Grand Junction CO _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp 129 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 0:28pm Subject: I Guess It Is A New World hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/florida/digdocs/073531.htm - FL Open Records Laws May Close - over security concerns http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/national/digdocs/109029.htm - Congress Ponders Its Own Destruction And Continuity If you ever thought of filing a FOIA request to get some radio freqs from a fed, state or local agency, you might want to do it quick. In years past, I have received freq lists from the Natl Park Service, and from 1 or 2 military bases. I don't think that will happening again soon. Peter S 130 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 4:06pm Subject: Scanner Sales Increase hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011012/us/attacks_scanners_1.html This may have already traversed these lists - in which case, here it is again. Peter S 131 From: public@... Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 11:38pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011012/us/attacks_scanners_1.html Sales of Scanner, Radios Increase Citizens buy police scanners like never before - only to find many public safety agencies have quietly disabled the ability to overhear anything useful. Now that the very security of we ordinary people appear at stake, we hope many officials will begin re-opening their public safety radio systems to increase the safety of those they are charged to protect. Closed radio systems which citizens can not monitor are dangerous and irresponsible, as well as an infringement against the taxpayers supporting them. If you live in a closed radio jurisdiction, question why you are asked to pay for a closed system. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 132 From: public@... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 4:07am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/florida/digdocs/073531.htm Florida Seeks to Please Osama Militants In a desperate bid to hand Osama bin Laden exactly what he wants, Florida will apparently consider closing public records. However, Florida legislators will not give in to cowardly militants. On the other hand, Florida will do exactly what Osama bin Laden wants. Then, they will condemn those who seek to alter our open way of life. After which, they will dance for Osama. Confused? So am I. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 133 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 3:10am Subject: Oh, And Just For Fun dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Well ladies and gents of the Openness faith, before I turn in I thought I'd send along this bit of Osama bin Laden Bash Humor: http://www.madblast.com/oska/humor_bin.swf Speakers are required, and a broadband connection is recommended. Enjoy and good night! ;) Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 134 From: public@... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 4:10am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/13692.html When News Sites Are Blocked, Try Unblogging Them - Eh, I need to work on these headlines. Anyway, if you can't count on congested news websites for coverage of an impending apocolypse, who can you? On September 11 many freelancers took their eyewitness accounts to online "weblogs" which are more simply known as "blogs". They are the tickertapes of humanity because, with varying degree of expertise, they can cover things mainstream journalists don't. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 135 From: public@... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 0:37pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.tampatrib.com/MGAVVIHL6TC.html Florida Continues Working With Osama Continuing an effort to implement the kind of Florida accused militant ringleader Osama bin Laden envisions, the Florida legislature continues crafting laws that omit the public process from decision making and increase secrecy. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 136 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 3:17pm Subject: NY Times Today hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Many items of interest in todays NY Times LA News choppers grounded due to FAA restrictions - scanners are mentioned in the first paragraph of the story (includes 1 large photo) Article about Afghan rebel photos - 1 large photo shows rebel leader with his little portable radio in hand - notice the importance of portable two way radios in warfare / policefare 1 large photo of USA flag suspended between 2 FDNY tower ladders at a Captain's funeral good sized article about lack of biochem preparedness by USA hospitals - Veterans Administration can supply 5000 beds but they are divided among 131 hospitals (some of which are in the most distant of places - White River VT, Fall River SD, etc) Peter S 137 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 3:54pm Subject: Dissent Praised by msnbc hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The msnbc omsbudsman today wrote an article extolling the virtues of dissent - "Is It Disloyal To Dissent?" - the tag line says that America must learn to embrace dissent (maybe he meant descent :-) 138 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 1:35pm Subject: Bush Signs Terror Bill hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59571-2001Oct26.html?referer=emai\ l I dont see any mention of scanners - nor do I see a link to the bill so that I can read it. 139 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 1:38pm Subject: Openness in 1951 hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the socalscan list --------------------------- Does anyone know if there was an LAPD-based TV show on CBS in about 1950-51, possibly called "Prowl Car." I have a September, 1950 letter from L.A. Police Chief William Parker to the "Manning O'Connor Agency" in Beverly Hills, giving them permission to record L.A. police calls off the radio for use on the program. I've never heard of a show with that name, nor can I come up with anything about a Manning O'Connor Agency. See http://www.qsl.net/n6uru/parker.htm Any ideas? 140 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 1:54pm Subject: Here is the NY Times Article on News Helos hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/26/national/26CHOP.html Notice that scanners are mentioned in the first paragraph. Peter S 141 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 1:59pm Subject: Austin Building Preliminary Radio Towers hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email TX Texas http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-10-26/pols_naked5.html Naked City BY JORDAN SMITH October 26, 2001: ------------------------------ Bigger Than Snacks It appears that city-led efforts to bring a 900 MHz trunked radio system to Austin is squarely on schedule to be completed and online by early 2003. The project -- which has nearly a dozen partners, including the Austin Police Department and the Travis Co. Sheriff's Office -- will finally make it so that area law enforcement agencies, as well as public service entities like Capitol Metro, will be able to communicate directly with one another. Given Austin's current, patchwork public safety radio system, the only way individual public safety agencies such as APD and the Austin Fire Department can communicate with each other while on-call is by routing communications back and forth through dispatchers. None too efficient, you might say. Pete Collins, the project's assistant director, said crews are busy building 11 preliminary radio towers across the city -- obviously a major step toward getting the system up and running. "This is real important, what we're doing," he said, "and it's real important that it's getting done. We're not just sitting around and talking about it with the beer-and-peanut crowd." ------------------------------ I wonder what the beer and nuts crowd thinks about PRELIMINARY radio towers. Peter S 142 From: public@... Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 3:34pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/26/national/26CHOP.html Copter Plight Is Plight Of Us All These Days (To read this article requires registration). News helicopters are being kept out of the sky much as the police scanning public are being locked out of system by system across the country. So, this article gives us a startling view of the future where we must all rely on whatever "they" tell us. Note that this particular copter reporter turns to a police scanner early on - but what about when that goes, too? IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 143 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 3:53pm Subject: 2 Florida Items hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email If you wonder why some cops don't like people listening in and taping their (radio) conversations, check out the last item. Peter S ------------------------------------ It's secrecy 1, accountability 0 http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/dade/digdocs/060869.htm (comments about Florida legislators action regarding secrecy of government documents) ---------------------------------------------- * Low note for Philharmonic http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/dade/digdocs/114190.htm * SHIPSHAPE SECURITY http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/088771.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Workers stiffed on night shift http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/031447.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Cop in sex case begs girl for mercy on tape http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/115835.htm 144 From: "dkelly" Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 7:15pm Subject: Re: 2 Florida Items dwkelly@... Send Email Send Email Little bit of a stretch, Peter. What, pray tell, does taping a telephone call have to do with the monitoring of digital voice radio public safety communications by the public. The incorrect presumption was that the 16 year old in the article was having a privileged conversation with the cop. If you think that that the police are going to be discussing their sexual encounters with underage females over their digital radios, why don't you just go ahead and say it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: [Openness] 2 Florida Items > If you wonder why some cops don't like people listening in and taping > their (radio) conversations, check out the last item. > > Peter S > > ------------------------------------ > It's secrecy 1, accountability 0 > http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/dade/digdocs/060869.htm > (comments about Florida legislators action regarding secrecy of > government documents) > ---------------------------------------------- > * Low note for Philharmonic > http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/dade/digdocs/114190.htm > * SHIPSHAPE SECURITY > http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/088771.htm > ---------------------------------------------- > * Workers stiffed on night shift > http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/031447.htm > ---------------------------------------------- > * Cop in sex case begs girl for mercy on tape > http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/115835.htm > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 145 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 0:11pm Subject: WTC Tapes at www.newsday.com hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Its not everyday that you see a media outlet storing tapes of public safety radio comms on their website. http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-tapesgallery.htmlstory 146 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 1:01pm Subject: Ridge Goes Long - Touchdown! hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63249-2001Oct27.html?referer=emai\ l 147 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 1:05pm Subject: San Diego City PD Crime Stats hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.sannet.gov/police/stats/index.shtml There was a article in the San Diego newspaper saying that certain crimes were up in the first 3/4s of 2001 by 30% - it did not give the totals - just the % increases and decreases of certain major crime categories. But the article did include a hot link to this page of statistics on the City PD webpage. Peter S 148 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 1:41pm Subject: Re: 2 Florida Items hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email 2 guys with box cutters bringing down 2 110 story blds - THAT is a real stretch. dkelly - are you telling us that no one will ever by monitoring the various digital channels for improper usage? 149 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 1:54pm Subject: Everyday Openness hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/robo10252001.htm This is a everyday article from the Boston Herald - that is not really everyday. It is about the theft of a freight truck that contained a military robot that is used for exploding bombs. What a strange story. How did the reporters find out about it? Why did they find it newsworthy? Why does our legal system allow articles like this to be disseminated? What is the purpose of the free press? Does this article reflect those purposes? Will closed police radio systems prevent future disclosures such as this? How much known info has been deleted from this article? Is there a vast conspiracy lurking behind this theft and article? Or did someone just want to swipe some cell phones? Peter S 150 From: "dkelly" Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 3:34pm Subject: Re: 2 Florida Items dwkelly@... Send Email Send Email Yes. That actual event (the WTC) was an imagination stretch. However, the observation of sub-standard airport security procedures (as compared to those at airports in other countries) did not make a terrorist attack a great stretch. The people we all pay to continuously think about these scenarios took their thinking caps off, apparently. And, no. Actually, what I am saying is that I feel that the monitoring of a telephone conversation during a law enforcement operation (makes no difference that the target is a cop) is unrelated to the issues and (your) crusade associated with "openess" of law enforcement radio communications. I see no parallel between the two. Telephone communications were monitored long before there was an "openess" issues involving high tech public safety radio communications and legitimate court sanctioned surveillance has not produced a public outcry (except by, maybe, the bad guys.) I agree and appreciate the public ( TRS fund source) need to know information, as long as it does not compromise the safety of the officer and the general public. I think you agree. But, blurring the focus (aka bringing telephone taps into the discussion) also blurs the crusade. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Openness] 2 Florida Items > 2 guys with box cutters bringing down 2 110 story blds - THAT is a real > stretch. > > dkelly - are you telling us that no one will ever by monitoring the > various digital channels for improper usage? > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 151 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 0:04pm Subject: Re: gov't has gone to far!!! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I post this fyi. Although where I work we're allowed to use our chopper for news gathering--I think the government has crossed the line when it tells news operations they can fly but DON"T report the news! What do you think? Bob Reynolds Scranton, Pa --------------------------------------------------------------- Just last week, an NBC pilot in one of the twenty-seven communities, where general aviation flights were allowed to resume, was advised by local FAA officials that he could fly his helicopter - but he could not report the news. Therefore, we cannot help but draw the inference that this is not a security issue but the primary focus of this flight restriction appears to be suppression of news - which raises significant First Amendment issues. News reporting is one of the few prohibited flight operations in Enhanced Class B airspace. Agency actions allow a student pilot to operate but a news media pilot with extensive military and law enforcement experience, well known to the local civic and police authorities and to the FAA, and operating a helicopter that is well marked, cannot do his job. http://www.rtnda.org/news/2001/faberman.shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 152 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:20pm Subject: Prairie Home Companion hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email They do a funny skit with a "NPR" news correspondant in HotDogAstan near the city of YourMammaBad - oh those crazy satellite phones with the 2 second delays! (they also did a this type of skit last week - I guess it went over well because they are back this week) Peter S 153 From: "John Glass" Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 7:13pm Subject: Re: 2 Florida Items jglass@... Send Email Send Email In answer to the second question,will anyone be monitoring digital channels the answer is NO. Almost no one will monitor because it will be virtually impossible.Do you ever hear of anyone listening to pcs phones gsm tdma cdma? And it is legal in Canada. Not impossible but nearly. As more complex algorithms are created and used it will fall into the area of the out of site out of mind. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 154 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:49pm Subject: RE: 2 Florida Items dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I think, particularly nowadays, it is important to affirm that this campaign has nothing to do with monitoring cordless or cell phone conversations any more than the pro-gun mantra has anything to do with the rights of convenience store robbers. If they halted production of police scanners, the same scanners that can tune in on these kinds of calls, tomorrow, the campaign would still exist to promote compensations. This has nothing to do with the kinds of ancillary things radio scanners can otherwise pick up, so much as it does the function of knowing whether or not there is a fire in the apartment next door to you or the trains you control are about to roll their passengers into deadly mayhem (recalling how a scanner saved 5,000 lives in the WTC tragedy last month). As a vocally defiant campaign against thoughtless implementation of closed public safety radio systems, you can bet we're going to be picked apart even more than we have been to see if we represent anything dangerous or that can be, perhaps conveniently, classified as "extremist". I make very good use of the web in promoting my opinion, cultivating like-minded individuals, spurring debate, and eliciting a force that would not otherwise exist, or exist as effectively. It has logistically criticized a national trend that could otherwise only be recognized and parsed out to sporadic local editorial, and inspired questions at the same scale. I've taken advantage of the internet's most democratic promise that even the meek shall be heard, and I've done so positively with good intent and good results. The best part is that through all of this, the campaign has stayed so free of deviant connotation that it's hard to imagine that anyone, even the policy makers we seek to influence, could think ill of it. The NRA, whether you love'em or hate'em, surely walks the same fine line and you have to appreciate the difficulty involved. I've done so well at this as a random individual that "official" eyes which are more used to dealing with executives and others that fuse money and democracy together, are likely to seriously wonder whether any of this honesty is dissident. A tribute to how far things have slid in the corporate takeover of human rights in our country, but a real consideration nonetheless. So I have to agree that now if ever is not the time to muse over the interesting components of the radio scanning hobby in general, and for which this list and campaign have nothing to do with. As a condolence, Peter, I believe even I posted one or two interesting cell phone pieces in less focused days. Unfortunately with the blank check to investigate anyone and everyone now, such intellectual meanderings here and there now might give the upcoming wave of eyeballs the idea that we aren't working in the best interest of everyone. Now is the time to prove our points and advertise our ideals, not scare folks. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: dkelly [mailto:dwkelly@...] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:35 AM To: Openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Openness] 2 Florida Items Yes. That actual event (the WTC) was an imagination stretch. However, the observation of sub-standard airport security procedures (as compared to those at airports in other countries) did not make a terrorist attack a great stretch. The people we all pay to continuously think about these scenarios took their thinking caps off, apparently. And, no. Actually, what I am saying is that I feel that the monitoring of a telephone conversation during a law enforcement operation (makes no difference that the target is a cop) is unrelated to the issues and (your) crusade associated with "openess" of law enforcement radio communications. I see no parallel between the two. Telephone communications were monitored long before there was an "openess" issues involving high tech public safety radio communications and legitimate court sanctioned surveillance has not produced a public outcry (except by, maybe, the bad guys.) I agree and appreciate the public ( TRS fund source) need to know information, as long as it does not compromise the safety of the officer and the general public. I think you agree. But, blurring the focus (aka bringing telephone taps into the discussion) also blurs the crusade. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Openness] 2 Florida Items > 2 guys with box cutters bringing down 2 110 story blds - THAT is a > real stretch. > > dkelly - are you telling us that no one will ever by monitoring the > various digital channels for improper usage? > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 155 From: public@... Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:00am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/depth/web102801.htm Public Data Gets Pulled Off Web You'd think the first thing to do after a militant attack that leaves thousands of innocent people dead would be to try to understand the enemy and its tactics. Instead, a mindless reaction that involves pulling helpful public data off the web has prevailed. There is no evidence that, in fact there appears to be no real advantage to, enemy militants using web-based information. Wouldn't it be better to focus on why there were failures to intercept the attack on September 11 - what failures of communication and what incompetencies existed first, rather than first blaming what makes America the great society it's supposed to be. No one used information from the web except perhaps that information which IS the web. Should we shut it all down? Should we close public libraries, open speaking places, universities. Should we disable eyes and ears at birth? Good grief. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 156 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:17pm Subject: RE: 2 Florida Items hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The primary point of my post was somewhat hidden. My thought was that any Police Chief who is being pitched a closed system will certainly think of the Florida phone taping incident before he thinks of anything else. The Los Angeles City PD recently went closed and I did not see them ask for any public input on the change. Therefore I think that their thought process concerning radio openness is very limited. Did the Los Angeles Police contact anyone on this list requesting their input on the openness subject? (They did not contact me.) Peter S 157 From: public@... Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:56am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.polksheriff.org/inquiry.html Due To Security Concerns A gem of an Openness example has scaled back its shine. The posted declaration indicates that removing online CAD information was for security concerns, perhaps implying in some way that the decision was made in response to the September 11 attacks. I don't know if I take that implication at face value since I've been checking in on these folks for some time and it seems that Polk County began trimming its online content for several months. Its audio feeds ceased to exist at least 5 months ago. Certainly before the attacks. Still, this represents the kind of statements we're likely to see in the upcoming months. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 158 From: public@... Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 4:47am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/11/01/rec.attacks.buriedtreasure.ap/index.html Security At Ground Zero - The REAL Reason Ever wonder about the REAL reason ordinary citizens are not allowed to photograph or witness evidence of America's worst human tragedy? Why only 'select' media is being allowed to document reality? Blame it on the will of captialism run amuck. The attack on the World Trade Center was an attack on our everyday population. This is OUR war against terrorism because WE were attacked. Yet, example by example, we're being reminded how the military, the government, and now commercial rights are privately regarding it as THEIR war. With so much cashola buried at ground zero, don't even think about videotaping yourself pondering the incomprehensible there. Smile and wave your flag. Or else. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 159 From: public@... Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 1:49pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.tampatrib.com/MGAP68X8MTC.html Weighing Secrecy In Times Of War This article delves into the balance between the right to know and the need for military discretion during times of war (or military actions). It's a fine article though somewhat rationalizing. At one point in the article it lends credence to the outrage of a citizen who bemoans that local media should just send a Tampa map to Osama bin Laden (being that we're the 'nerve center' of operations in the Gulf). Since when are the feelings of average citizens a true policy force in the monster machinery of big media? It sounds a little hokey to me, but it is introspective. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 160 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 4:19pm Subject: Uniden's Digital Scanner dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email 911Dispatch.com e-mailed its subscribers yesterday with a blurb which goes as follows: -------------------------- Scanner manufacturer Uniden America Corp. announced in a press release that its APCO 25 digital scanner model will debut "in the fourth quarter of 2002." The company also put to death any rumors that the FCC or any federal, state, or local authority has asked the company to delay or halt development of this or any other Uniden product. "It is important that the public understand the nature of APCO 25 scanner technology," the company said, explaining that it processes only the digital radio signal, and does not decode communications. "Scanners such as the APCO 25 model in development by Uniden do not facilitate the decoding of any encrypted transmissions including transmissions by national security and law enforcement authorities such as the CIA, DEA and U.S. Special Forces Units," Uniden said. -------------------------- This is a significant step ladies and gents. This is as big as the Trunktracker release! Obviously wary, you can see that Uniden is immediately clarifying for the less inquisitive but most inclined to shriek that the unit does NOT decode information that is intended to be secret. As you all know, too, hostile public safety attitudes will simply seek to evade the new scanner market leaving who knows what. Talk about a war! Corporate media AND we commonplace protesters will go ballistic if they uniformly begin blanket encryption. Unfortunately, we know the governing attitude and we know the trend. Now, too, thankfully, we now know what a powerful place scanners and open broadcasting hold in our reinforcing our personal security. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 161 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 11:39pm Subject: MSNBC Live Broadcasting dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In my critique against corporate media and its cave-in relationship with the White House for the past several postings, perhaps I've neglected to commend MSNBC for running a 24-hour webcam of the recovery and cleanup efforts at Ground Zero. In fact the wisened online media company is doing just that. The link is: http://www.msnbc.com/m/lv/default.asp?0cv=c642 Dave 162 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 2:49pm Subject: FSB / KGB On The Job - Moscow hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.msnbc.com/news/651032.asp A scary story. Peter S 163 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 6:21pm Subject: FAA Investigates News Choppers After Miami Chase hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email FAA investigates news choppers http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/florida/digdocs/108215.htm 164 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 6:45pm Subject: Phoenix Provides Election Results Via Cable and Internet hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Can E-Democracy be far behind? - Will every PD put their radio comms online? - Peter S ----------------------------- Phoenix Election Results Available on Internet, Television ---------------------------------------------- Nov. 5, 2001 Citizens seeking results of the city of Phoenix [Arizona] election set for Tuesday, Nov. 6, can get updated information throughout election evening by logging on www.phoenix.gov/ELECTION/results.html or turning to Cox-Cable Phoenix Channel 11. The first results will be posted at 8 p.m. followed by ongoing updates. The city's government access television station Phoenix 11 also will have continuous election updates beginning at 8 p.m. Voters are being asked to consider three propositions, while residents in City Council Districts 2 and 8 also will cast ballots in runoff elections. For more information about the election, call the City Clerk Department at 602-261-VOTE (8683). 165 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 6:47pm Subject: Re: MSNBC Live Broadcasting hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email And a 24 hour cam shot of the Kursk recovery would have been good - plus a 24 hour cam on the JFK Jr wreckage recovery, and the Air Egypt crash, and the Flight 800 wreckage recovery. Bravo to MSNBC! 166 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001 4:09pm Subject: You Know I Love This - Not!!! hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email HEADLINES: Fire/EMS Departments Urged To Purge Web Sites Of Data Useful To Terrorists http://www.firefighting.com/default.asp?GoTo=namID4836 (they want FDs to remove just about all of their website info) [I took my website off line for about a month - then I found that all the info was stored on the Google search engine - so I put my website back on line - BTW, Google now searches the archives of yahoogroups.com - Peter S] =========================== Arrests Of Ground Zero Protesters Continue; Memorial Service Still On http://www.firefighting.com/default.asp?GoTo=namID4834 Diallo Cop Becomes FDNY Firefighter http://www.firefighting.com/default.asp?GoTo=namID4832 Firefighter's Wife, 4 Children Die In Apartment Fire In Upstate New York http://www.firefighting.com/default.asp?GoTo=namID4829 Tennessee Forest Fires Burning On 6,300 Acres http://www.firefighting.com/default.asp?GoTo=namID4828 House Fire Kills 4 In Richmond, Va. http://www.firefighting.com/default.asp?GoTo=namID4827 167 From: "WPO" Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001 4:41pm Subject: FYI -- Memorial Service in New York Postponed...see link N1IPY@... Send Email Send Email http://daily.iaff.org/memorial2/ 168 From: public@... Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 3:14pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://slate.msn.com/?id=2058456 Managing Perspective And Reporting News Often Go Hand In Hand "...At CNN, meanwhile, they're officially encouraged to remind viewers of how many people died Sept. 11 whenever they report on civilian casualties caused by U.S. bombing in Afghanistan. This is not objectivity or balance. It is pure pro-American bias. No one watching CNN needs to be informed of what happened Sept. 11. And there is no parallel requirement that references to the fatalities on Sept. 11 be balanced with reminders that the United States is killing innocent civilians every day in Afghanistan..." IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 169 From: public@... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 1:57am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.ncac.org/issues/freeex911.html Indexing Oppression Hey, am I spelling 'oppression' right? Anwyay, this website is disclosing outrageous censorship incidents in the name of protecting democracy. We must pulverize the kind of threat well-organized militants pose against our national and civilized security. However, we will find out how many nafarious interests there are in the wings using this crisis as an excuse to squash critics, protesters, free-thinkers, and internet ramblers of all kinds. The larger picture construed by the database of incidents so far is incredulous. It's as if our military and political leaders have carefully crafted a national emotional response system that discourages pure democratic principles in favor of military and commercial-oriented democracy. Diabolical murdering militants are a bigger concern for us right now, but keep your eye on this database. It paints a picture of a problem that has to be spotlighted and dealt with if anyone cares about the kind of system we all want to live under. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 170 From: public@... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 4:10pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/11/politics/11PROP.html Vietnam Teaches War Leaders: Eliminate Democracy "European journalists have also become suspicious that the American news media have been co-opted by the government, or at least swept up by patriotism. "The journalists and the media directors suffer, in my opinion, from a `post Vietnam patriotic syndrome,'"... (Note that this is a New York Times piece. You'll need to register - free - in order to read the complete article). IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 171 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 11:14am Subject: MORE--800mhz problems brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Firefighters battled the blaze while struggling with a radio system that failed repeatedly, Claymont Fire Chief Eric Haley said. At one point, about six firefighters were trying to send a message from the second floor saying they could not get down the stairwell - but no one could understand them. "I knew they were trying to tell me something, but I didn't know what it was," Haley said. It was not the first time rescue personnel had trouble with Delaware's $50 million, 800 megahertz radio system. Numerous problems have been reported since the system's installation in 1999. http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2001/11/11claymontfirefig.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 172 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 11:20am Subject: MORE 800 mhz digital problems brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Firefighters battled the blaze while struggling with a radio system that failed repeatedly, Claymont Fire Chief Eric Haley said. At one point, about six firefighters were trying to send a message from the second floor saying they could not get down the stairwell - but no one could understand them. "I knew they were trying to tell me something, but I didn't know what it was," Haley said. It was not the first time rescue personnel had trouble with Delaware's $50 million, 800 megahertz radio system. Numerous problems have been reported since the system's installation in 1999. http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2001/11/11claymontfirefig.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 173 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 6:31pm Subject: The Destruction Of The Internet dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This one just tipped off the acceptable headline topic scale, but I thought some of you on the subscribed list might appreciate it anyway. This is a Newsweek interview with Lawrence Lessig - someone who wrote a book about how large corporations and perhaps others are out to create a "counterrevolution" against the original democratic internet architect. http://www.msnbc.com/news/655756.asp?0na=x2201110- Openness.org, of course, relies on the internet to make its grand proclamations and has adopted a sensitive and sympathetic against the AOLization of these pipelines. If anyone cares to peek in on another campaign of mine that I dub "AOL Time Warner's War Against Democracy", visit: http://www.davidpinero.com/aoltime Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 174 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 6:59pm Subject: 911 Tape Released - Wichita Kansas hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://web.wichitaeagle.com/content/wichitaeagle/2001/11/10/crimecourts/1110tran\ script_txt.htm 175 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:11pm Subject: Re: The Destruction Of The Internet hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email IMHO - the Internet is just a communication tool. If innovative people can find a way to present their ideas to the masses, then the Internet is not a big deal. The "openness" of a society to new ideas is probably more important than any other aspect of that society. But the ideas have to be based in truth, and truth needs verification from others. So "openness" and communication have to go hand and hand. (Sorta like police radio systems and scanners :-) Just a guess - Peter S 176 From: "Varela, Humberto J" Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 10:18pm Subject: RE: The Destruction Of The Internet the_muddy_mu... Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >IMHO - the Internet is just a communication tool. i agree. the day USENET fails to exist, i will unabashedly declare the death of the "true" internet. >If innovative people can find a way to present their ideas to the >masses, then the Internet is not a big deal. well, considering all forms of modern communication rely on RF energy (radio, television, satellite), which is an improvement on the printed word (newspapers, periodicals), which is an improvement on the spoken word (tribal elders passing on knowledge by word of mouth), the only means left of sharing ideas with the masses would have to be telepathic communication : ) in which case, no, the internet would _not_ be a big deal. (can you imagine telepathic pop-up ads for the X-10 camera?) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 177 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:12am Subject: Sunday Night Surprise! dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Well hallejeuma! Here in Hillsborough County the local sheriff's office made good on its commitment to post calls for service, however retrospectively. Actually, they had this service available before - yours truly encountered it by accident. However, they took it down for awhile but have apparently restored it, perfectly interfacing it with their other online fare. The database allows you to list calls for service by two queries, and even allows you to save any particular run as a .CSV file. What's great about something NEW coming online (and perhaps this has been up for a few months without me knowing it), is that it is a slap in the face to radical militants who would love to see public safety assume secret-status in American communities in response to their mongering. See, MORE openness scares Osama bin Laden than LESS. The link is at: http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/CFS01 Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 178 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:20pm Subject: Items on the TrunkCom List hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The TrunkCom list at qth.net has several recent posts about the costs of adding encryption to new digital TRS radios. There is also mention of police officers in the Detroit MI area that can no longer use their scanners when working because their agencies have switched to digital radios. Peter S 179 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 8:49pm Subject: Online Security Expert Changes Focus To Security hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/technology/12RICH.html?todaysheadlines Mr Smith from Boston has shifted his focus from the compilation of private data to Homeland Security. 180 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:43pm Subject: Europe To Ban Internet Hate Speech hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/10/technology/10CYBE.html?todaysheadlines Looks like a good way to drive "hate" underground - until it pops up some where in a volcano. Maybe yiu can file this under - "openness" versus "closedness" Could this be a first step in banning transmission of police radio traffic via the Internet? (I know - I know - its a stretch) ----------------------- I wonder if I can pull my thoughts together here? www.openness.org is concerned with maintaining easy public access to public safety radio communications for the public. The pros are - greater public awareness of the problems faced by public safety forces + immediate notification of nearby dangerous situations + prevention of illegal (hit squad) activities by the police. The minuses are - greater access for criminals to police activities. The openness concept relies on truth and honesty to overpower the forces of evil. The Europeans are trying to use force to overpower evil and hatred. OK - I am out of gas here - anyone want to march on with this train of thought somehow? [Re the earlier post - if police are dispatched by telepathy in the future, then we will have to come up with a whole new definition for the "thought police" :-)] 181 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 11:31am Subject: MICHIGAN DIGITAL brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Michigan's State Administrative Board has approved a $20.2 million plan to upgrade the state-wide public safety radio system to Motorola's ASTRO 25 6.0 standard. The upper peninsula will be outfitted first, and then the lower peninsula, with completion by this time next year. The system now supports some 8,000 public safety radios, and will have a final tab of about $215 million. 182 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 7:21pm Subject: Prez Bush / Prez Putin Press Conference hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Quoteth Prez Bush - "Anyone who thinks that the US government can control the American press does not understand the American way". Dave - he might have been pointing at you when he said that :-) 183 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 1:18pm Subject: Streaming News hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.earthcam.com/news/ There are 2 items of note here - reporters using video satellite phones from Afganistan, and guerilla videographers who recorded WTC action 184 From: public@... Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:26pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5098201,00.html?chkpt=zdnnp1tp Guerrilla Journalism Is Real I was startled when I read this article and found the phrase "guerrilla journalist" being used in any serious context. In fact, this entire article acknowledges that the naturally evolving answer to the rise of perception management journalism IS guerrilla journalism. Though I tend to think of guerrilla journalism as in conflict with perception-oriented media organizations such as CNN, this article notes how mainstream circles are increasingly depending on guerrilla journalists for the most unique visuals and content. Anyway, since Openness.org predicted it, I've purchased guerrillajournalism.org which will be developed shortly as an online resource and concept incubation depot. Blow the dust off your camcorders my friends! IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 185 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:47pm Subject: Good Thing He Didn't Steal A Scanner :-) hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from a New Zealand scanner list ---------------------------------------- Queenstown Police Station Broken In To 15/11/2001 11:20 AM IRN You would think a police station would be the last choice for a burglar with a bit of spare time. Not so. A Queenstown man allegedly took it upon himself to break into the town's cop shop last night. A police radio and hat were taken. The man, who police say claim was intoxicated, later called them on the radio and revealed his location. He was subsequently arrested and the police property was returned. 186 From: public@... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 1:06am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ucrr/20011115/cm/extraordinary_times_secret_governm\ ent_part_i__1.html EXTRAORDINARY TIMES: SECRET GOVERNMENT Military realities force traditional American law and tradition 'out of the box'. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 187 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 5:00pm Subject: Misc Articles hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Insurers set to benefit from Sept. 11 The terrorist attacks and changes in their aftermath present a tremendous business opportunity for strong players in the insurance industry. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/658006.asp Merrill's Blodget accepts buyout Henry Blodget, whose once-soaring career as an Internet analyst on Wall Street was emblematic of the technology-stock mania in the late 1990s, has accepted a buyout offer from Merrill Lynch. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/658015.asp ------------------------------- Technology ------------------------------- Bill Gates touts Xbox at its debut Microsoft Corp. revved up its publicity machine to unveil its anticipated Xbox Thursday, whetting the public's appetite for the new device amid what may be the fiercest competition for the home video game market in years. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/658032.asp Warming to Big Brother? Skittish public and police are turning to high-tech crime fighting; but at what cost? By Bob Sullivan. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/654959.asp Rolling up freedoms in a new nation The freedoms your father and mine and their fathers before them fought and died for, spilled their blood on foreign shores for, are being peeled away like the layers of an onion. By Brock N. Meeks. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/657173.asp ------------------------------- Living, Travel & Entertainment ------------------------------- SCOOP: 'Sum of All Fears': Too much terror? Will the recent victories in Afghanistan rescue Ben Affleck's new movie? Jeannette Walls Delivers the Scoop. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/657770.asp ------------------------------- Health ------------------------------- Nation stressed out after attacks The Sept. 11 attacks triggered signs of stress in 90 percent of Americans, finds a nationwide survey. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/657690.asp 188 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 5:56pm Subject: Pirate TV Station In Toronto hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Toronto's pirate TV broadcaster continues to defy shutdown order http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/canada/digdocs/013474.htm Guerilla journalists, meet Guerilla TVer The big picture - the guerilla scannerists will direct the guerilla journalists to the action scenes where they will record the guerilla action for broadcast on the guerilla TV station (or the Internet) - the bad guys of the world will be forced to commit all their bad deeds in private places I guess 189 From: public@... Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 0:51am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-111801inform.story Rising Fears That What We Do Know Can Hurt Us The idea that dangerous militant forces using data off the web may be a reasonable assumption, but not a reasonable fact. In any event, altering the "trend of openness" in response to September 11 is clearly a countermessage that we should live our lives as usual. Openness.org notices that so far many police and public safety departments are keeping their online CADs etc., but wonder for how long. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 190 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 1:45pm Subject: Would Ya Rather Live in Afghanistan or Hartford Or Trenton? hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Hartford item talks about FOIA violations. ------------------- Trenton-AP) -- State lawmakers want to require tamper-proof digital photos for all licenses. The measures announced yesterday are the latest initiatives in a crackdown on fraudulently obtained licenses. The proposals were spurred by the terrorist attacks. (Trenton-AP) -- A state Senate panel reached a compromise that means $180 million for Camden. The measure approved yesterday also creates an economic recovery board specifically for Camden. City officials had blasted a previous plan, saying they had to give up too much control. (Trenton-AP) -- Two State troopers are closer to having the state cover their legal bills. Robert Dunlop and Stephen Serrao both testified before a state Senate inquiry into racial profiling. A measure introduced yesterday allocates $9,000 to cover their expenses. Connecticut (Hartford-AP) -- A new study shows that few state agencies comply with the state's Freedom of Information laws. The study found that only ten of 68 state agencies were in compliance when asked for public records earlier this year. Southern Connecticut journalism students asked for work attendance records for the top officials or highest-paid employees at state agencies. Only ten agencies provided the information. (Hartford-AP) -- Some electric customers may be paying a bit more. Connecticut Light and Power Company has filed for a rate increase that would cost the average residential customer an additional $5 a month. The company says competition has been undermined because the wholesale prices for electricity are higher that the charges to generate power. (New Haven-AP) -- A federal judge has sentenced a Danbury man to two years in prison for his role in a counterfeiting scheme. Daniel Ustie was charged with making nearly $1 million in bogus bills. Ustie took part in the manufacturing of counterfeit 50-dollar bills in 1998 and 1999, and then tried to pass off the money in New York and Connecticut. (New Britain-AP) -- A Greenwich developer is suing Bridgeport mayor and several other officials for corruption. Alex Conroy claims that his plan for a $1 billion waterfront project at Steel Point in Bridgeport was sabotaged by the mayor and others. The mayor's office has issued a statement saying Conroy is just another failed developer who could not get the job done. (Waterbury-AP) -- A Superior Court judge has ruled that Waterbury's mandatory school dress code does not violate students' civil rights. The judge yesterday found that the policy was aimed at reducing disruptions in class and that the Board of Education had the right to adopt regulations aimed at advancing educational interests. National (Kabul, Afghanistan-AP) -- Kunduz is the northern showdown city in Afghanistan, as opposition forces are warning the Taliban to surrender or face an all-out assault. Northern alliance troops are surrounding the city, and have given the Taliban three days to decide their fate. (Jalalabad, Afghanistan-AP) -- The four journalists reported missing in Afghanistan yesterday are confirmed dead. Their bodies were recovered and identified by colleagues today. Witnesses say the four were stoned and shot by a group of men who stopped their convoy in eastern Afghanistan. [these items appeared as shown in this morning's Email newsletter from www.nbc.com - ps] 191 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 2:46pm Subject: Boston HMO Starts BioTerror Screening hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Program may spot bioterror early on | Harvard Vanguard surveillance could be model for rest of US http://emailnews.boston.com/show_story?id=3961 Patient names are confidential - right! Maybe Public Health should just call the 911 supervisor in Boston every hour and ask how busy things are. 192 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 2:49pm Subject: Re: Boston HMO Starts BioTerror Screening hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Better yet - Public Health should just buy a scanner and listen in to the Boston ambulances - they would know within 10 minutes if a flurry of "person sick" calls were being reported 193 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Nov 20, 2001 11:07am Subject: Internet protocol-based (IP) ASTRO 25 system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- Motorola announced that it's shipping the latest version of its line of digital radios--the Internet protocol-based (IP) ASTRO 25 system and XTS 500 and XTS 2500 radios that operate in the 800, 821 and 700 MHz public safety bands. According to the company, the systems will provide, "increased coverage, seamless communications and new services, including integrated voice and data as well as connectivity to an agency's existing IT infrastructure." The system uses digital IP packets to route voice transmissions and is, the company said, "more efficient and cost effective." Customers for the new line include the states of Minnesota, Michigan and Colorado, and the cities and counties of Hamilton County (Ohio); Phoenix, Gilbert and Mesa (Ariz.); and Austin and Travis County (Tex.). -------------------------- -------------------------- The state of Maryland has decided to solve interoperability by simply installing six cross-band repeaters around the state, so agencies on low and high-band VHF, and UHF radio channels to communicate with one another. The state is also funding mobile data for 100 public safety agencies to improve emergency preparedness. The program was kicked off last Friday with a news conference, and originated from the Public Safety Technology Task Force that Lt. Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend created to examine the technology needs of public safety agencies in the state. 194 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 6:56pm Subject: Media and FD Share Freqs - Sort Of hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the scanatlanta list ------------------------------- From: rmarlar@... (Richard Marlar) Date: Wed, Nov 21, 2001, 5:34pm (EST-1) To: ScanAtlanta@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ScanAtlanta] Glass Mine Fire ops Reply to: ScanAtlanta@yahoogroups.com These are the frequencies the Forest Service sent us to allow the media choppers to communicate with Air Attack before entering their airspace during the Glass Mine Mountain fire. A TFR [temporary flight restriction] was established at 5NM from the center point at an altitude of 6000 feet so no one hit a a USFS bird carrying a "Bambi Bag" . They were using a Blackhawk and a Jet Ranger. I know the operation is over but we might find them in use again. Air to Air was 122.225 and Air to Ground was 164.125 Richard WGCL Richard T. Marlar ll Assignment Editor WGCL-TV CBS Atlanta 425 14th St., N.W. Atlanta, Ga., 30318 404-327-3200 404-327-3004 (fax) rmarlar@... Happy Holidays - gobble gobble - someone just called for a 2nd on the scanner - gotta go 195 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Nov 22, 2001 8:32pm Subject: Gobble Gobble Gobble hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Protesters Find the Web to Be a Powerful Tool With opinion polls showing overwhelming support for President Bush, antiwar activists are relying heavily on the Internet to weave their fragmented constituents into a movement. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/technology/21ANTI.html?todaysheadlines 196 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 3:41pm Subject: Springfield MA FD Arrives in 3 Minutes hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email It is not common to see FD response times listed in the media. ------------------- Fire sweeps through church Friday, November 23, 2001 SPRINGFIELD — A fire swept through a Dwight Street church yesterday during a special Thanksgiving service, sending parishioners fleeing out of the smoke filled building. "They were in the middle of the service when someone started screaming fire," parishioner Damaris Rivera of Holyoke said, standing in front of the burned-out, one-story brick building. Dressed in suits, dresses and other nice clothes, members of Iglesia De Dios Pentecosta Unidad Christiana stood on the sidewalk outside the church located at 1071 Dwight St. shortly after 1 p.m. and watched fire fighters shoot water into the smoke-filled building. "Man, this is terrible," Rev. Victor Pagam said, staring at the building. The fire was reported at 12:51 p.m., according to Dennis G. Leger, public information officer for the Springfield Fire Department. Fire fighters arrived three minutes later at 12:54 p.m. The fire started in the furnace area of the building, but the cause remains unknown, Leger said. © 2001 UNION-NEWS. Used with permission. 197 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 5:39pm Subject: Odds and Ends hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the satscan list - details about the development of the new San Antonio TX TRS - the proposed tower sites have been contoured from the socalscan list - a very interesting discussion about scanning as a hobby, the openness of public safety agencies, and using computers for logging calls by scannerists also from the socalscan list - several scannerists have been assisting radio techs in tracking down non authorized users of various mutual aid radio freqs 198 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:49pm Subject: Mexico Kidnappings hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Either yesterday or the day before NPR's All Things Considered ran a report about the rising wave of kidnappings in Mexico. Reportedly 1,200 people were kidnapped last year in Mexico (primarily for ransoms). The report contained comments from a ?NPR reporter who had been kidnapped so that robbers could use his ATM card to loot his bank accounts. The reporter was afraid to report the incident to police because he thought that the police might have been involved in the kidnapping. Mexican Police reportedly use digital radio systems in the 800 Mhz range. Peter S 199 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:53pm Subject: Various News Stories from the Miami Herald hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Florida takes a step to seal public records in terror cases http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/florida/digdocs/075395.htm THE AMERICAS ====================== * Mexico admits role in torture, killing of political foes in 1970s http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/americas/digdocs/076744.htm ---------------------------------------------- * U.S. detains 603 in its massive terrorism probe http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/national/digdocs/006941.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Force patrolling near last city held by Taliban http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/national/digdocs/022061.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Privacy of students' test results disputed http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/national/digdocs/082991.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Affirmative action test rejected http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/national/digdocs/107020.htm * Gunmen kill 3 Israelis before shots stop them http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/world/digdocs/028659.htm ---------------------------------------------- * World Roundup http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/world/digdocs/045140.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Enemies on apartheid, S. African parties announce alliance http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/world/digdocs/084713.htm ===================== BUSINESS ====================== * Airlines must provide passenger lists http://www.miami.com/herald/content/business/digdocs/044283.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Caymans to share information on bank customers with U.S. http://www.miami.com/herald/content/business/digdocs/027121.htm ------------------------------------------ * Accounts can't be frozen, Bahamas court decides http://www.miami.com/herald/content/business/digdocs/065974.htm 200 From: Humberto Varela Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 3:06pm Subject: Re: Mexico Kidnappings the_muddy_mu... Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >Mexican Police reportedly use digital radio systems in the 800 Mhz >range. > >Peter S wouldn't be surprised. i logged an 800Mhz EDACS control channel coming from Coahuila, MX last time i was in Laredo, TX. the border is an interesting place when it comes to radio. it wasn't long ago when you could openly monitor both sides of the river (Rio Grande) - but now the Laredo PD is on a Motorola VHF digital/encrypted radio system, Nuevo Laredo may be digital as well, and US Federal agencies rely heavily on DES or other encryption when in the field. i wonder why "radio secrecy" became so important in the 1990's on the border? 201 From: Humberto Varela Date: Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:52pm Subject: Symantec et. al. will not detect FBI's "Magic Lantern" the_muddy_mu... Offline Offline Send Email Send Email while i've always felt i have nothing to hide, it seems strange that a software company's "security product" would intentionally omit protection in one specific area... http://www.politechbot.com/p-02851.html If government seeks to use clandestine and furtive methods to monitor citizen actions, it can ill afford to complain should the citizen insist on a method to effect his right to know he is under such surveillance. Judge Joseph Ryan, Superior Court, District of Columbia 202 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 3:58pm Subject: Couple of Items hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email If people are leaving TV for the Internet - then maybe www.openness.org and www.guerillajournalist.org will be the powerhouses of the future. (I may have gotten that 2nd address wrong) Peter S -------------------------------- Technology ------------------------------- Net usage up at cost of TV viewing People are increasingly spending more time online but not at the cost of family relationships or social activities, says a study to be released Thursday. By Brock N. Meeks. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/664574.asp ------------------ IBM supercomputer falls to No. 2 Move over, Big Blue. In a new ranking from research firm IDC, Compaq Computer takes the top spot among the world's brawniest supercomputers. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/664784.asp ----------------------- Ban on DVD-cracking code upheld A federal appeals court on Wednesday upheld an order that prohibits publishing or linking to DVD-cracking code -- a decision with sweeping significance for free speech rights and copyright protection on the Internet. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/664769.asp -------------------------- Health ------------------------------- U.S. lags behind in cutting teen births The United States could learn a lesson in sex education from some other Western countries, a new report suggests. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/664476.asp ------------------------------- Opinion ------------------------------- How to tell good news from bad News consumers can and should hold the media accountable by learning how to recognize good journalism and criticize bad, writes MSNBC Ombudsman Dan Fisher http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/663991.asp 203 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 4:10pm Subject: Las Vegas PD Have Scanner On Their Website hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.lvmpd.com/video_audio/ This page apparently was last updated on 21 Nov 2001. Radio codes and unit IDs are listed in addition to the link to the audio stream (which does not seem to be working). Window Media Player is required to listen to the audio from the police radio channels per the webpage. Peter S 204 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 11:12pm Subject: RE: Couple of Items dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email It's a tough address. Boy I sure do pick the cryptic ones. Turns out there are two spellings for 'guerilla' and I own 'guerrillajournalism.org' with two Rs instead of one. If you go to the one with one R, you get someone's anti-establishment website. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: zerg90@... [mailto:zerg90@...] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:59 AM To: Openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Openness] Couple of Items If people are leaving TV for the Internet - then maybe www.openness.org and www.guerillajournalist.org will be the powerhouses of the future. (I may have gotten that 2nd address wrong) Peter S -------------------------------- Technology ------------------------------- Net usage up at cost of TV viewing People are increasingly spending more time online but not at the cost of family relationships or social activities, says a study to be released Thursday. By Brock N. Meeks. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/664574.asp ------------------ IBM supercomputer falls to No. 2 Move over, Big Blue. In a new ranking from research firm IDC, Compaq Computer takes the top spot among the world's brawniest supercomputers. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/664784.asp ----------------------- Ban on DVD-cracking code upheld A federal appeals court on Wednesday upheld an order that prohibits publishing or linking to DVD-cracking code -- a decision with sweeping significance for free speech rights and copyright protection on the Internet. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/664769.asp -------------------------- Health ------------------------------- U.S. lags behind in cutting teen births The United States could learn a lesson in sex education from some other Western countries, a new report suggests. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/664476.asp ------------------------------- Opinion ------------------------------- How to tell good news from bad News consumers can and should hold the media accountable by learning how to recognize good journalism and criticize bad, writes MSNBC Ombudsman Dan Fisher http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/663991.asp To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 205 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 1:01pm Subject: New Legislation On Beacon Hill hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Massachusetts Legislature is considering restrictions on the MA Public Documents Law (Freedom of Information Act). The news report that I heard mentioned that government agencies do not like the present law which apparently requires them to release blueprints of bridges and tunnels to any requestor (possible "terrorists"). The legislator who proposed the change was saying that he did not want terrorists to be easily able to find out if only 1 pound of explosives would be as effective as 4 pounds of explosive at a critical point in a structure. He said that there was no real need for the public to have access to blueprints of major public structures. Does anyone have the text of the proposed legislation? Does anyone know if the proposed legislation addresses radio systems and radio frequencies? Peter S 206 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Nov 30, 2001 5:45pm Subject: Fort Wayne IN Going Digital hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I was not going to post the entire article, but it was too good to pass up. 1. - The city purchased 18 freqs from the FCC??????????? 2. - They forgot to mention that all scanners in the city might go dead. Peter S ------------------------------------- from ScanIndiana@... January 8th, 2002 is the day the Fort Wayne police and fire departments are scheduled to switch over to the new digital 800 MHz system. Each firefighter will get his/her own individual radio. The 18 frequencies I posted previously all seem to have come to life with digital buzzing noises the past few weeks. Below is an article from today's Fort Wayne Indiana Journal Gazette. ---------------------------------------------- Police learning to use new radios By Sara Eaton The Journal Gazette Thursday, November 29, 2001 Tones and beeps bounced around a Fort Wayne police academy classroom Wednesday as officers, detectives and commanders learned how to operate their new hand-held radios. Training for the new 800-megahertz communication system began this week for Fort Wayne police officers a little more than a month before the system is expected to be in full operation, Assistant Chief John Grannan said. About 40 officers per day for 11 days will attend an in-service session where they receive their new hand-held radios and learn the intricate details of how the system works, said Sgt. Matt Enyeart, an academy instructor. "We want officers comfortable enough with the radios to start the new system," he said. "They can practice using it until the system is up and running so they are familiar." Officials expect to switch over from the current analog system to the digital system at 7 a.m. Jan. 8, project manager Vicki Beerbower said. Should an unexpected problem crop up between now and then, the system switch can be pushed back, she said. The 800-MHz system will cost Fort Wayne and Allen County $15 million - with the city paying $10 million and the county chipping in $5 million. The system is expected to ease communication between officers and dispatchers because there will be more channels for radio traffic and each channel is established for a different division of the department, Enyeart said. The city purchased 18 radio frequencies from the Federal Communications Commission for the new system, Enyeart said. Currently the department essentially shares four, he said. Another benefit is communication between officers from multiple agencies, he said. The new emergency radios will allow city, county and state agencies to talk directly to one another over the radio. Currently, officers must contact their agency's dispatch center, which in turn communicates by telephone with other dispatch centers. The 800-MHz system will allow for multiple agencies to share one mutual channel during investigations, pursuits or other events, Enyeart said. The new radios eliminate background noise and skipping to other outside frequencies, he said. The in-service sessions allow for officers to question details of the system as well as air any concerns. Most comments Wednesday focused on emergency radio traffic, which reflected the questions of those trained earlier this week, Enyeart said. Other agencies have yet to begin their training on the new system. Some radios have been issued to Allen County sheriff's officers, but training isn't scheduled until mid-December, said officer Victor Hopkins, sheriff's spokesman. Concerns for county officers have centered on the digital system since the form of reception can sometimes be touchy, Hopkins said. During Wednesday's class with city officers, Enyeart explained that the radios will operate the best when the antenna is vertically aligned and when facing the tower. Fort Wayne firefighters will start training this weekend but won't receive their radios until a few days before the switchover, said Capt. Brian Duff, department spokesman. An individual radio will be issued to each firefighter, a change from the current system, Duff said. "It's a safety issue. It's the biggest plus," he said. "It benefits us and the citizens." Constant ability to communicate with others while fighting a fire is an immeasurable benefit, he said. City dispatchers have already begun their training on their new console in the basement of the City-County Building, Beerbower said. During the next month, officials will continue testing the new system and try to anticipate any potential problems as officers and firefighters familiarize themselves with the equipment, she said. 207 From: "John Glass" Date: Sat Dec 1, 2001 1:47pm Subject: Re: Fort Wayne IN Going Digital jglass@... Send Email Send Email This same situation has already happened here in Ontario, Niagara Falls, and Guelph. The system in Niagara is ( Motorola apco 25) did not work.The whole province of Ontario is slated to change and is already implemented.That's the largest land mass in the free world covered by one radio system. And it will be closed. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 208 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 5:52pm Subject: Vermont Info - VT hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Vermont-Fire-Ems-Alert@yahoogroups.com On this list there are frequent alerts from a dispatcher who has a screen showing emergency calls all across the State of Vermont. You can go thru the archives and see the basic info that is sent out at all hours of the day and night. Peter S ------------------------------------ Here are a few posts about a recent big fire in Barre City Vermont. --------------- Barre City Blaze It was a hot one. I got there about an hour into the incident and there was still some fire showing with smoke visible for miles. First due Barre City E2 and Tower 1 had heavy fire from the rear. next in was Barre Town E 1,2 and Rescue 1, followed by Berlin's Ladder and Williamstown E 3. Montpelier E1 was initially sent to cover Barre City but was diverted to the scene to pump the hydrant on Elm Street. Barre town EMS sent 2 ambulances for 2 firefighters with minor injuries. Montpelier Ambulance sent A 1 to stand by until Barre Town returned to the scene. East Montpelier sent 1 engine to cover Barre City's station with Washington covering Barre Town in E. Barre and I believe Chelsea was covering Williamstown. it took about 2 hours to get things under control. ___________ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:52:19 -0500 From: Subject: Bristol New Haven is responding M/A to Bristol for a fully involved structure fire. It's on South street and I beleive Shelburne dispatch said it was at a lumber yard, 153.950 NHFD ___________ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:58:46 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Barre City That photo came though fine. If you got some more, go ahead and send them. There's one advantage of a central dispatch. Easier for all those move ups. Does Captial West work with run card assignments for workers/multiple alarms? _______________________________ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 21:53:05 -0000 From: Subject: Industrail EMS agencies If anyone knows of any Industrail EMS agencies or companies that hire EMTs in your state, would you drop me a quick email. Thanks a bunch. Take care and be careful. Curtis _________________ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:48:29 EST From: Subject: Re: Barre City Actually there are 3 dispatches [fire / EMS dispatch centers] in the Montpelier area on the same frequency.... [154.190] "Capital West" which does Berlin, Middlesex, East Montpelier, Bolton, Montpelier, Northfield, Moretown, Plainfield, Cabot, and Marshfield. "Barre City Dispatch" does the city [Barre City], Barre Town, Williamstown, Washington, Tri Village, Corinth, and Corinth Topsham FAST [First Aid Team]. Middlesex VSP dispatches Waterbury Village, and Waterbury Center. Plus we compete with Lamoile dispatch on 154.90 too 209 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 6:07pm Subject: Premcor Refinery FD TX Texas hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Many of the FDs that have webpages at this website list their radio freqs. This private industrial FD is no exception. http://www.fire-ems.net/firedept/view/PortArthur3TX They have 3 foam pumpers, 2 stations, 1 ALS ambulance, 1 Mobile Command Post and 2 trailer mounted pumps. "2200" is the fire phone telephone number within the plant. 210 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 6:24pm Subject: KY Scanner Website Moves hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This scanner website by a Kentucky firefighter has got a new URL. ---------------------- Union Co / Henderson Co Area Scanner Freq Page - The Tri-State Freq Source" needs to be changed to the link below. http://www.geocities.com/nutcase1967/Home.html 211 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 0:23pm Subject: Article About Scanning On The ARRL Website hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the MassScan list ------------------------------ http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2001/11/24/1/ 212 From: Matthew Payne Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 3:53pm Subject: Re: Fort Wayne IN Going Digital aparecium1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hello... Just wanted to update everyone on another system that is in jeopardy of being closed. Johnson County, IN is in the process of switching over to a digital capable system. The live date for this system is tentatively set for December 17th. I would define this system as Digital Capable, not exclusively digital, because the system is slated to have a mixture of analog and digital communications. The county Sheriff talkgroups are supposed to be digital, and the smaller police, as well as fire departments are supposed to have analog conventional talkgroups. What is interesting is that this closed attitude extends to more than the general public. There have been several comments made to the effect of "Golly, it's good that the fire departments will be on analog. We don't want them listening..." Really interesting. I update the list more, as this system is implemented, if anyone seems interested. Happy Scanning, everyone.... On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 12:45, zerg90@... wrote: > I was not going to post the entire article, but it was too good to pass > up. > > 1. - The city purchased 18 freqs from the FCC??????????? > > 2. - They forgot to mention that all scanners in the city might go dead. > > Peter S -- Matthew Payne Bargersville, Indiana Webpage --> http://www.qsl.net/kb9uje Home Network --> http://willow.kb9uje.homeip.net Email --> kb9uje@... 213 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 10:54pm Subject: RE: Fort Wayne IN Going Digital dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi Matt, we are very interested in field reports. We don't seem to get enough of them - geographical or topographical. Let me use your example to reiterate what I'd like to see more of on this list which is update reports by those on the front line of tipping systems, as well as general input by public safety, legal experts (though you have to admit Dave S. does a pretty good job there), and so on. We all have our area in subjective personal talent, and in the physical world. Capitalize on these to provide unique insight! We are very interested in your report and others like it. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Payne [mailto:kb9uje@...] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:54 AM To: Openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Openness] Fort Wayne IN Going Digital Hello... Just wanted to update everyone on another system that is in jeopardy of being closed. Johnson County, IN is in the process of switching over to a digital capable system. The live date for this system is tentatively set for December 17th. I would define this system as Digital Capable, not exclusively digital, because the system is slated to have a mixture of analog and digital communications. The county Sheriff talkgroups are supposed to be digital, and the smaller police, as well as fire departments are supposed to have analog conventional talkgroups. What is interesting is that this closed attitude extends to more than the general public. There have been several comments made to the effect of "Golly, it's good that the fire departments will be on analog. We don't want them listening..." Really interesting. I update the list more, as this system is implemented, if anyone seems interested. Happy Scanning, everyone.... On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 12:45, zerg90@... wrote: > I was not going to post the entire article, but it was too good to > pass up. > > 1. - The city purchased 18 freqs from the FCC??????????? > > 2. - They forgot to mention that all scanners in the city might go > dead. > > Peter S -- Matthew Payne Bargersville, Indiana Webpage --> http://www.qsl.net/kb9uje Home Network --> http://willow.kb9uje.homeip.net Email --> kb9uje@... To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 214 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 7:29pm Subject: A Spy Van? - Whats A Spy Van? :-) hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from Pinellas County Florida - this is the entire item - no snips in other words - Peter S ------------------------------------- Published by the Pinellas County Department of Public Affairs October/ November 2001 Imagine a new era of emergency communications where law enforcement personnel in the field can access a photo of a missing child or criminal suspect, or view a surveillance tape in their cars. Fire department personnel could access building maps or locator maps for hydrants on scene. Sunstar personnel could transmit still images or video of a patient's injuries to the hospital before or during transport. Pinellas County emergency service agencies took the first step in that direction on Thursday, August 16th at Pinellas County EMS headquarters on Ulmerton Road in Largo. That's where officials unveiled the Motorola wideband data system called the Greenhouse Project. The new Greenhouse technology is 48 times faster than standard radio data transmission systems, and will allow transmission of pictures and real-time video by radiowaves, including video conferencing, Internet access, email and other desktop computer functions. Right now the new technology is still in an experimental stage. Pinellas County is the only market in the world to be using the new equipment on certain vehicles. "This is actually a technology test," explained Radio Systems Manager Pam Montanari . "There are currently no products available, the frequency isn't even licensable at this point in time. So that is why we're testing the technology and providing input. The people in the field are providing the input back to Motorola so they can develop the solution that's going to work for the field personnel." Currently, three Sheriff's Office cruisers, a surveillance van, one EMS vehicle and two fire department trucks have the new equipment. The Sheriff's Office and EMS dispatch centers each have a communications console. The test system has the capability of supporting 16 units, all operating within a six mile radius of the Sheriff's Office administration complex. Emergency Communications officials hope to have the new technology in place countywide in two to three years. This kind of high speed data transmission will allow for unparalled communications among public safety agencies, increasing the speed and efficiency of police, fire and EMS emergency response countywide. ================= Emergency Co m m u n i c a t i o n s / 9 -1-1 Pioneers Wide Band Radio Te c h n o l o g y Wideband data technology in place in a Sunstar para-medic ambulance Emergency Communications/ 9-1-1 Director Dick Williams addresses those in attendance. ESS 1 1 Page 2 Printed on Recycled Paper Distribution Label Len Ciecieznski, ESS Editor Pinellas County Public Affairs 464-5197 ° FAX 464-4432 ==================== Once again the Pinellas Park Fire Department celebrat-ed Fire Prevention Week (October 7-13) in style with a bicycle rodeo and open house on Saturd ay, O c t o b e r 13th at the England Brothers Band Shell, 5060 81st Avenue North in Pinellas Park. Rodeo participants tested their two-wheel skills on a course designed to resemble a city stre e t . I n c l u d e d we re the various obstacles youngsters may encounter while riding their bike s . Those who successfully com-pleted the course we re eligible to win new bikes and bicycle-related safety items. Other fire prevention elements combined education with fun in the Chi l dren' s Fi re Safety House and Hurricane Pre p a redness Tr a i l e r. The Pinellas Park K-9 unit showed off their dogs' skills. The kids lined up for m i n i a t u re fire engine rides. Youngsters had more fun trying on real firefighters' bunker gear and watching per-formances by the Life Safety Puppet Show. Food was a big part of the celebration as we l l , and Pinellas Park's menu included hot dogs, hamburgers, sodas, chips, pop-corn and more. Sponsors of the event included the Pinellas Park Police and Fire Departments and Pinellas Park/ Mid County Chamber of Commerce. ESS ================= Pinellas Park buys new engines. Pictured is one of two identical Pierce Dash 2000 pumpers acquired recently by Pinellas Park Fire Department. Each engine comes equipped with a 1,500 gallons per minute single stage pump, 500 gallon water tank, six cylinder 430 horsepower Detroit diesel engine, five-person cab, three-position SCBA seating and high performance air conditioning. The vehicles, at $290,000 each, will replace two aging vehicles which will go on reserve status. ==================== Personnel Update 9-1-1 Radio Systems Manager wins National Award Pam Montanari , Radio Systems manager for Pinellas County's Emergency Communications/ 9-1-1 division has been selected as the recipient of the prestigious, national Danny Smith Award. The honor was presented by the Motorola Trunked Users Group (MTUG) at their annual meeting recently in Salt Lake City, Utah. Montanari was also recognized at the Tuesday, August 14, Board of County Commissioners meeting. Montanari has been with Pinellas County Radio Systems division since 1988 and currently oversees all aspects of radio communication within Pinellas County. The county's ten-site, 800 MHz trunk radio system allows more than 7,000 radio users to talk to each other from Tarpon Springs to Ft. De Soto Park. Users of the trunk system include all Pinellas County departments, Sunstar communications, all area fire departments, the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office and most municipal law enforcement agencies. The Danny Smith Award is named for a former manager of radio services for the city of Tulsa, Oklahoma. Smith was instrumental in founding MTUG in 1987. He was known nationally for his dedication to public safety communications and his skill in finding solutions to communica-tions challenges. ==================== New Medical Director takes over Reins At the July 17th Board of County Commissioners meeting, commissioners confirmed the appointment of Dr. John R. McPherson as the county's new medical director. McPherson most recently has served as medical director of the Palm Bay Fire Department, and has extensive experience in emergency medicine. McPherson replaces Dr. Bruce Pettyjohn who retired from the position after years of outstanding service to citizens. More than 1,200 EMTs, paramedics and other emergency medical personnel work under the license of the Pinellas County medical director. Pinellas County Radio Systems Manager Pam Montanari Pinellas County Medical Director Dr. John R. McPherson ESS PPFD celebrates Fire Prevention Week in Style 2 215 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 8:05pm Subject: www.masslive.com hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The scanner feed at www.masslive.com from Springfield MA apparently carries 155.34 traffic because I just heard a ambulance giving a patient report to a local hospital. (The patient's name was not given) The feed also seemed to have a lot of intermod. (I think they just had a teacher knifed to death by a 18 year old student - a manhunt might be underway now). Peter S 216 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 11:12pm Subject: School Camers Linked to Police Station hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.safetyonline.com/content/news/article.asp?DocID={952B64C8-E4F3-11D5-A\ 77D-00D0B7694F32} Londonderry NH New Hampshire Police have the capability to view video cameras set up inside local schools. The cameras were installed following a spree of false bomb threats. The Internet is used to relay the video images to the police station. 217 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 6:43pm Subject: Streaming For The Media hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://publicinteractive.com/affiliate/streaming/ppr-faq.html Does anyone have any idea about the costs that are involved in setting up a scanner feed on a website? I see mentions of T1 phone lines and 16 kBps. Can anyone translate that into the costs that a news station would incur in putting a police scanner online? Peter S 218 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 7:05pm Subject: This Hour On www.wbur.org hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Science Friday - 2PM EST - www.wbur.org should have the live stream now A Fed judge shut down the DOI website yesterday because it was unsecure (or is that insecure :-) A recent study showed that ?90% of federal websites were not secure - could this apply to all governmental websites and media websites? What are the implications for veracity, accuracy, precision, and truthfullness (VAPT)? 219 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 7:09pm Subject: Saskatooners Are Swearers hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email First, there was a post listing the feed from Saskatchatoonieville. Then a post saying that the cops were swearing at each other. then this post. Peter S Canada ------------------ from the livescanneraudio list These guys on here are absolutely hillarious. No wonder these cities, want to go digital, With the way the talk is on there talkaround channels. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=6362196&addr=24.66.253.1\ 67:8000&file=filename.pls Put Your City's Emergency Communications Online at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livescanneraudio Interested in Scanning in Canada's Capital Region Check us out at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawascan NYSING Incident Notification Group (178) http://www.nysing.org 220 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 8:41pm Subject: A Good List Of Scanner Feeds hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the livescanneraudio list ------------------------------------- http://www.michnews.net/scanner/live.asp Featuring online scanners from most of the 50 states. If you want some help on getting your scanner online using Live365, Shoutcast, or Windows MediaPlayer, let me know and I will be glad to offer what modest amount of experience I have. (First piece of advice...if you go with Live365...DON'T use their Studio365 Live program. Go with a relay broadcast using WinAmp with the Shoutcast plug-in) 221 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 11:59am Subject: VA Paper Does A Little Intercepting and Divulging hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2001/112001/11292001/459045/index_html Police were chasing a semi up I95 in Northern Virginia. This newspaper published a ?pseudo transcript of the police radio comms. 222 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 0:12pm Subject: Arlington VA PD Versus MDTs hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email On the Scan-DC list at qth.net there are a couple of interesting posts about the purchase of new MDTs by the Arlington VA Police. Peter S 223 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 9:32pm Subject: Brooks Alberta Scanner Feed hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.connectionsmag.com/scanner.htm Canada Here is a small town media source with a online scanner (plus radio codes), a webcam, and pictures of public safety units. 224 From: "dkelly" Date: Sat Dec 8, 2001 1:54am Subject: Re: VA Paper Does A Little Intercepting and Divulging dwkelly@... Send Email Send Email I heard the last half of the chase and recorded about 10 minutes. This transcript didn't do the event any justice... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:59 AM Subject: [Openness] VA Paper Does A Little Intercepting and Divulging > http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2001/112001/11292001/459045/index_html > > Police were chasing a semi up I95 in Northern Virginia. This newspaper > published a ?pseudo transcript of the police radio comms. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 225 From: public@... Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 3:04pm Subject: Open Record Laws In Florida Remain Untouched For Now dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Greetings David Pinero wants you to know about a story at www.tbo.com Personal Message: Florida's democratic process works -- for now! ;) Open Record Laws In Florida Remain Untouched For Now Nov 29, 2001 URL: http://tampatrib.com/News/MGAKL7ETMUC.html Why not check out our other great articles at http://www.tbo.com 226 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 3:30pm Subject: Re: Streaming For The Media nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >Does anyone have any idea about the costs that are involved in setting >up a scanner feed on a website? I see mentions of T1 phone lines and 16 >kBps. Can anyone translate that into the costs that a news station would >incur in putting a police scanner online? There are several free ways to do it. Check the LiveScannerAudio group at Yahoogroups. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 227 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 6:57pm Subject: Scanners ?Banned At Winter Olympics hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email On Saturday there was a large post on the socalscan list concerning the apparent banning of FRS radios and scanners from the Winter Olympics in Utah. (You will have to sign up for the list at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/socalscan in order to see the post.) The post was based on a article in Monitoring Times Magazine that might be accessed at www.grove-ent.com 228 From: public@... Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:02pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/10/gen.war.against.terror/index.html Military Weighs Openness Approach As Strategy With information closure policies and devised perspective management techniques so far employed to win the 'war' on terrorism, it's nice to see military leaders consider the genuine value of open solutions. In this case, showing a video tape of Bin Laden speaking knowingly of the militant attack against the USA may enhance the tactical advantage against him (though this writer believes that showing off everything would have done the same thing). Well, give credit where credit is due. IP: 168.143.112.8 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 229 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:27pm Subject: Portsmouth NH PD Going Digital hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Portsmouth PD going digital. http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/12_9a.htm very interesting article 230 From: public@... Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 2:12am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/12_9a.htm Police Department Embraces Value Of Open Transmissions This article starts out giving you the idea that yet another public safety department is citing mythical bad guy techniques to justify blocking public interception of radio traffic. Then it surprises you with some very insightful remarks by Police Chief Brad Russ who states in no uncertain terms that the public will have SOME access because, frankly, open broadcasting works to help apprehend criminals and in turn makes the public safer! Way to go Brad! Openness.org has preached the balanced approach for 6 years now so it's refreshing to see a pointed agreement with the philosophy that you can mix and shake a highly technical system to the benefit of all parties involved. In fact, as a former alarm operator and simply someone with common sense, it has always made sense to encrypt alarm calls to me. :P Chief Russ explicitely wants to give the public a chance to know about dangers that may affect them while at the same time configuring the system enough to keep well-organized burglars from taking advantage of them. Yes, you can have both, and this is EXACTLY the point this campaign has been trying to stress. Let's hope Chief Russ wears the pants in his department since his communications expert seems a little glib about tuning out the public. A disagreement seems lurking. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 231 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:25am Subject: torch freq-from another post brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Eric, THANKS for the frequency. They are to be in Central Ohio around January 1st and I was hoping there would be some sort of frequency information before the Torch arrived. Rick "Eric C. Carlson" wrote: > The Olympic torch relay is in Houston today. For anyone who's > interested, I found the Olympic torch motorcade on 464.575 (DCS 565, > simplex). > > -Eric > 232 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 10:48pm Subject: CARMA To Use Ham Repeater hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There was a recent post to the CARMA @ qth.net list stating that ham members of the Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association (CARMA) have been given permission to use a UHF ham repeater that is located in downtown Chicago to discuss scanner news and inprogress incidents. Peter S 233 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:04am Subject: Re: CARMA To Use Ham Repeater nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >There was a recent post to the CARMA @ qth.net list stating that ham >members of the Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association (CARMA) have >been given permission to use a UHF ham repeater that is located in >downtown Chicago to discuss scanner news and inprogress incidents. Peter There are two possibilities here: 1) Members of CARMA who happen to be licensed ham operators have been invited to use a certain repeater for discussions, or 2) CARMA has been offered the use of a GMRS repeater and whoever posted the message doesn't know the difference. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 234 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 11:39am Subject: Re: CARMA To Use Ham Repeater hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Number 1 appears to be correct. GMRS is not involved. Peter S 235 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 1:16pm Subject: Odessa TX FFs To Sue hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://midlandtx.hearstnp.com/SelectStory/story_id=45446 Odessa Texas firefighters may sue the City of Odessa over interogations involving the firefighter's union website. 236 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Dec 13, 2001 9:19pm Subject: Auburn NY PD Still On 155.67 hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email reported on another list ------------------------------ Auburn NY PD is simulcasting its primary traffic onto 155.67 - apparently from a digital Trunked Radio System talkgroup. 237 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 1:42pm Subject: vhf-yes! 800 NO! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The entire Fauquier County (Virg.) radio situation is spinning out of control, now that the Virginia State Police have decided to build a new 800 MHz trunked system, but rather to accept a Virginia Tech recommendation that they simply upgrade their current VHF high-band system (155/156/159 MHz) to improve communications, all for at a fairly modest cost. On the other hand, Fauquier County politicians continue to support their $12 million plan to toss out the county's existing VHF public safety radio system, and buy all-new 800 MHz trunked radio gear. Critics say the system will really cost the county $22 million when sufficient towers are added to Motorola's bid to provide coverage for the county's rugged terrain. 238 From: "John Glass" Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 10:44pm Subject: Re: vhf-yes! 800 NO! jglass@... Send Email Send Email This is exactly what is happening in Ontario with the Ontario Provincial police.Big price no openness@! JG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 239 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 11:33pm Subject: 2 Scanner Feeds hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.cce911.org/home.htm - Central Saint Louis County Dispatch Center - Missouri MO ------------------------- http://www.publicsafetycommunications.net/ - Detroit Michigan FD from a private website 240 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 11:57pm Subject: Ohio Ham Jammed Police Radio System hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ARRLWeb: In BriefOhio ham sentenced in police radio jamming case: Kenneth Kelly, WT2FBI, has been sentenced to five years probation after pleading guilty of attempting to disrupt public services--a fifth-degree felony in Ohio. FCC Special Counsel for Amateur Radio Enforcement Riley Hollingsworth says Kelly did not appear by October 30 for requested retesting, and his license will be canceled. Kelly had been indicted on a felony charge of disrupting public service by allegedly jamming and talking on the Middletown, Ohio, police radio system in July. He had been held in the Butler County jail pending sentencing. Amateurs familiar with the case said Kelly owned a Yaesu VX-5 hand-held transceiver that had been modified to transmit out-of-band. The assistance of members of the Dial Radio Club--who did some direction finding and also taped Kelly's legal transmissions on 2 meters for comparison with the voice showing up on the police frequencies--was instrumental in solving this case. As it turned out, Kelly lived near the police station. Additional information and documents from the case can be obtained from the Butler County Clerk of Court's Web site. 241 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:20am Subject: MY BET IS 2 METERS! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The U.S. has detected the distinctive voice of Osama bin Laden on hand-held radio in the mountains of Tora Bora giving orders to his al Qaeda troops, U.S. officials say http://www.washtimes.com/national/20011215-68264047.htm 242 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 6:10pm Subject: Re: vhf-yes! 800 NO! nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >The entire Fauquier County (Virg.) radio situation is spinning out of >control, now that the Virginia State Police have decided to >build a new 800 MHz trunked system, but rather to accept a Virginia Stories that were already published by another source should be credited properly. The above item was first distributed by the "DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound" email list on December 14, 2001. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 243 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 2:42pm Subject: The Ethics of Scannerists hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Brian Humphrey, a public info officer for the Los Angeles City California Fire Department FD has written a long post about the ethical dilemmas facing scannererers. I think that he is referring to insurance adjusters and certain lawyers. You can check it out at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socalscan/message/15743 - but you have to sign up for the list first - which should only take you 1 minute. FYI - you can opt to receive messages from yahoogroups in 3 ways - individual - digest - or no mail. Peter S Is there any such word as "scanneristas"? 244 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:03pm Subject: DC Lawyer Speaketh Of Openness hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.rtnda.org/foi/scanner.shtml 245 From: public@... Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:13pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.rtnda.org/foi/scanner.shtml Media Lawyer Recognizes Problem, Offers Approach The problem of closed public safety radio communication systems is gradually taking on form in the minds of media professionals - particularly at the local level. This columnist for one industry info depot offers an open strategy playbook for dealing with the issue. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 246 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:29pm Subject: Building A Scanner Feed Community hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LiveScannerAudio/message/1445 This is a interesting post to the livescanneraudio list that describes a 3 year effort to develop a community of online scanner listeners in Southern Maryland. 247 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 0:56pm Subject: New MA EMS Regs hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here is a great example of why public safety comms should be open. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/352/metro/New_rules_would_require_EMTs_to_admi\ t_errors+.shtml 248 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Dec 23, 2001 0:03pm Subject: Scanning Saves The Day - from CARMA hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the CARMA list out of Chicago --------------------------- Scanning Saves the Day (Again!) Hello All! Once again, having a scanner has allowed me to help out a friend or family member in a very timely mannner. Just now (2330 12/17), I heard an ambulance call on 154.250 dispatched to a friend's address. He works PM's [nights], and his elderly and frail father is there alone until after work. Apparently his dad took a fall, but managed to get to a phone. The PD had to force entry, but they were able to get in to assist him, and I was able to call my friend at work to give him the heads-up on the situation. I'm listening right now to 155.340 to see how badly banged up his dad is. The same situation happened to me more than once over the years, once when a friend saw the FD at my door and was able to raise me on CB Ch.9 to alert me. I had a scanner in the van, and heard my mom's diagnosis on .340 as she was being transported to Loyola. Another time, when I was working in the garage and my mother fell in front of the house, I heard the FD dispatched to my address and ran out to the front just as the PD arrived. There have been many other minor variations of this theme over the years. I can't imagine life without a scanner, having had one since 1977. In fact, the old Bearcat 210 that I got in '77 was the one that alerted me tonight! If only all my other radio equipment was so rugged and long-lived (especially the ham equipment)! Anyways, I hope all of you have a happy, safe and prosperous holiday, and that the hobby can benefit you someday in the way it has benefitted me in the past. Keep up the good work, everyone! 249 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 6:45pm Subject: Chaires-Capitola VFD FL SOPs hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://lcso.leonfl.org/vfd/chaires/sop.html Look at Item 3.1 - Communications Right under the channel lineups they caution that scanner listeners within a 50 mile radius are critiquing them. Peter S 250 From: "John Linko" Date: Fri Dec 28, 2001 10:59am Subject: Fwd: [project25] Public Safety priorities fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email FYI, an excellent resource page on digital radio at the link below, and it sounds like it's going to get a little better. John MNN-009 N3RTS Grand Junction CO >From: "freqofnature" >Reply-To: project25@yahoogroups.com >To: project25@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [project25] Public Safety priorities >Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:30:46 -0000 > >Is privacy of communications a motivation for implementing a digital >radio system for public safety? > >There is a lot of misinformation about the motivations of public >safety departments moving to digital radio systems. To help dispel, >or validate, these myths a collection of comments from public safety >and radio communication professionals is being compiled. These >comments will be added to the Digital Radio page at >http://www.freqofnature.com/digitalradio.html > >An example of misinformation: >[Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayScan ] >"Everyday public safety agencies and companies like Motorola use >these lists" (Internet news groups) "as excuses to go digital and >encrypted." > >Please send any comments to comments@... >If you prefer to remain anonymous please state that in your e-mail. > >Any other ideas or comments are welcome too. > >FYI my background: >While my profession is in IT (IT Manager for a medical equipment >manufacture/wholesaler), FreqOfNature.com is a personal web site. >It's not affiliated with any other private or public entity. > >Thanks, > >Tracy Justus >http://www.freqofnature.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com 251 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Dec 28, 2001 10:34pm Subject: Man Saved From Barre VT House Fire hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://timesargus.nybor.com/Story/39851.html A man with critical injuries was saved from a Barre Vermont house fire by a plow driver and a neighbor. I would bet that the plow driver heard about the incident via a personal scanner in his truck. (Or perhaps the plow trucks share a radio channel with the Barre Fire Department) Peter S 252 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 11:32am Subject: FCC Frequency Applications brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: Pending Date: 12/29/2001 12:29:36 AM Eastern Standard Time From: rafman2@... (Rafman©) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: rafman2@... (Rafman©) To: SCAN-L@... Here is a way to list frequency coordination applications to the FCC on behalf of rail interests. Click on this link & select from the pulldown table of coordinators then click OK: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/filenum.hts this can give a heads up for new frequencies that upon approval would then be listed in the searchable General ULS database: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/index.hts Happy Hunting! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 253 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:21pm Subject: Re: Man Saved From Barre VT House Fire nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://timesargus.nybor.com/Story/39851.html >A man with critical injuries was saved from a Barre Vermont house fire >by a plow driver and a neighbor. I would bet that the plow driver heard >about the incident via a personal scanner in his truck. (Or perhaps the >plow trucks share a radio channel with the Barre Fire Department) I hate to be a wet blanket, but there is no indication in that story about anyone hearing anything over a radio. Here is what the article says: [quote] According to State Police Fire Investigator Jonathan Keith, Davison’s brother, Jeffrey, and his wife, Jennifer, were asleep in a mobile home next door to the house, when Jennifer awoke to noise from next door. “She apparently heard him screaming,” said Barre Town Fire Chief Jon Winter. “He was out on the porch roof.” Jennifer reportedly woke her husband, then called 911. Jeffrey dressed and went outside where he met road crew member Jeff Stratton, who drove to the nearby town garage to find a ladder. The two of them coaxed Davison down the ladder. [end quote] Apparently the rescuers lived nearby and heard the victim yelling for help. No scanner involvement needed there. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 254 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:26pm Subject: Johnston Co NC Wants To Block Out Scanneristas hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.wral.com/news/1140119/detail.html 255 From: rks-57@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:31pm Subject: Re: FCC Frequency Applications rks-57@... Send Email Send Email Here is a way to list frequency coordination applications to the FCC on behalf of rail interests. Click on this link & select from the pulldown table of coordinators then click OK: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/filenum.hts this can give a heads up for new frequencies that upon approval would then be listed in the searchable General ULS But what about the file number? Ray Schoonmaker Visit my web-page at: http://community.webtv.net/rks-57/UlsterAndOrange 256 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:32pm Subject: Re - Dave S hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dave S - I saw that you wrote something starting with "I dont want to be a wet balnket" - and then I deleted it. Peter S 257 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:42pm Subject: Re: FCC Frequency Applications hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Just leave the file number empty - pick the coordinator that you want and hit OK. Good luck. Peter S 258 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:02pm Subject: Re: Re - Dave S nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >Dave S - I saw that you wrote something starting with "I dont want to be >a wet balnket" - and then I deleted it. Peter S You have a right not to read what I write. However, the "cause" of radio openness is not served by taking every news story and trying to read some connection with scanning into it when it's not there. We need accurate reporting, not wild guesses. Before other enthusiasts start running around saying, "Here's 'proof' that Openness is good," they should critically examine the "evidence" that is being offered. I support open broadcasting of public safety communications. In fact, I believe it may be Constitutionally required and have posted an essay online to that effect at http://nf2g.com/scannist/index.html - click on Laws & Regs and the document contains a link to a series of Rapid Media Project essays under the "Right to Privacy" subheading. I'd hate to see a good cause torpedoed by carelessness in checking facts. David T. Stark M.A. Criminal Justice NF2G, KYR-7128, KNY2DJ Director, New York Statewide Incident Notification Group Albany County RACES Red Cross Albany County DAT Leader Skywarn Spotter N6-001-390 Resume/CV available at http://nf2g.com/bio.html 259 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:07pm Subject: Re: Re - Dave S *link correction* nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >I support open broadcasting of public safety communications. In fact, I >believe it may be Constitutionally required and have posted an essay online >to that effect at http://nf2g.com/scannist/index.html - click on Laws & Regs >and the document contains a link to a series of Rapid Media Project essays >under the "Right to Privacy" subheading. Sorry. That link should be http://nf2g.com/scannist/usa_index.html. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 260 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:12pm Subject: FCC Items hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The "National Science" item gives a good look at the licensing squabbles that can arise over radio channels. The "McMurdo" item highlights the problems that huge bureaucracies can create. -------------------------------- Released: 12/28/2001. WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS BUREAU SEEKS COMMENT ON MCMURDO LIMITED WAIVER REQUEST FOR TYPE CERTIFICATION OF 121.5 MHZ GUARDIAN MANOVERBOARD PERSONAL EMERGENCY POSITION INDICATING RADIO BEACON (EPIRB). (DA No. 01-3020). Comments Due: 01/28/2002. Reply Comments Due: 02/12/2002. WTB. Contact: Jim Shaffer at (202) 418-0687, TTY at (202) 418-7233, e-mail:jshaffer@... ---------------------------------------------- TEXTS ---------------------------------------------- REVISION OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH ENHANCED 911 EMERGENCY CALLING SYSTEMS. Granted Petition for Reconsideration to clarify TTY Fourth Report and Order.. (Dkt No. 94-102). Action by: Commission. Adopted: 12/21/2001 by RECON. (FCC No. 01-386). WTB IN THE MATTER OF AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES CONCERNING MARITIME COMMUNICATIONS. Comments and Reply Comments due 60 and 90 days respectively after publication in the Federal Register. (Dkt No. 92-257). Action by: The Commission. Adopted: 12/11/2001 by NPRM. (FCC No. 01-358). WTB NATIONAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY NETWORK, INC., STATION WPLT688, GLENDALE, CALIFORNIA ET AL.. Denied Application for Review filed by Mobile Relay Associates, Inc. Station WIL337, Malibu, California. Action by: The Commission. Adopted: 12/21/2001 by MO&O. (FCC No. 01-379). WTB AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 87 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ACCOMMODATE ADVANCED DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS IN THE 117.975-137 MHZ BAND AND TO IMPLEMENT FLIGHT SERVICES IN THE 137 MHZ BAND. Granted Petition. (Dkt No. 00-77, 9376, 9462). Action by: The Commission. Adopted: 12/21/2001 by MO&O. (FCC No. 01-378). WTB PACIFIC GAS AND ELECTRIC COMPANY, PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION, AND ALON SHATZKI, INC.. Denied Pacific Gas & Electric Petition to Revoke the License for WPMU363, Milpitas, California. Granted PCIA's Request to Modify License by Reducing ERP. (Dkt No. 92-235, 98-182). Action by: Chief, Public Safety and Private Wireless Division, WTB. Adopted: 12/26/2001 by MO&O. (DA No. 01-3018). WTB 261 From: rks-57@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:20pm Subject: Re: FCC Frequency Applications rks-57@... Send Email Send Email Just leave the file number empty - pick the coordinator that you want and hit OK. Good luck. Peter S I left the file number empty and it said I have to have one. I even put in a few ooooo and it still said the same thing. Ray Schoonmaker Visit my web-page at: http://community.webtv.net/rks-57/UlsterAndOrange 262 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:26pm Subject: Re: FCC Frequency Applications hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Sorry - you are right. That FCC page seems to have a problem now. It worked OK for me a couple of days ago. Try it again on Monday. Peter S 263 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Dec 30, 2001 0:01pm Subject: from USA_Skywarn brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Recently, a gang of 6 criminals was apprehended in Garland, Texas just prior to executing a well planned robbery of a restaurant. Their plans were thwarted because they were overheard planning and coordinating the robbery on 154.570 MHz, one of the "dot" frequencies. During a recent trip to Raleigh, North Carolina, I read a newspaper article about another criminal gang that had just been arrested by the police. This gang had performed over 40 successful robberies in North Carolina and Virginia while using walkie-talkies to coordinate their robberies. These groups were using the hand held units to communicate between robbers, look-outs and get-away car drivers. There's no way of knowing how much illegal use is occurring, but I have programmed all of these frequencies into my table top scanner, just in case. Since many SKYWARN volunteers also own scanners, I wanted to pass this information on to you. A list of "dot" frequencies can be found at the following URL: http://www.k5kj.net/dot_freqs.htm These frequencies are also used legitimately by businesses and individuals, including large retails stores, construction companies, drive-through fast food establishments, hikers and campers. 73, Sam - K5KJ 264 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Dec 31, 2001 2:34am Subject: Viewing Platforms Open dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Well due to some glitch at my Earthlink webhosting company I can't post this as a headline. Nonetheless, I'm sending this link to the list as more of a symbolic endorsement rather than an interesting news piece. I think most people have heard about the new viewing platforms that are opening around ground zero by now. It's great though there is no mention about the freedom to videotape or take photographs while on the platform: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/30/rec.viewing.platforms/index.html David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 265 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 1, 2002 2:10pm Subject: PA STATEWIDE SYSTEM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email See attached: Does this mean Pa has missed some kind of deadline with the FCC? If what does this mean when it comes to getting the system online?? Bob PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF - OFFICE OF ADM RADIO PROJECT OFF HARRISBURG, PA ctrl pt 1 - NETWORK CONTROL CTR N CIRCLE DR HARRISBURG STATE H HARRISBURG PA 717 10/20/00 Internal Correction Applied 10/20/00 License Converted 04/06/99 Authorization Printed failure to certify annually as to station construction commitments will terminate the authority for the extended implementation period and will require complete system construction within six months of the first missed annual certification date. waiver of rule 90.629 granted 8/25/97. station must be constructed by 12/31/00 in compliance with commission letter dated 3/1/99. 1 - 6 MI ON MOUNT RIANSARES RD FM JCT RT 8008 CASTANEA (CLINTON) PA 866.0625 FB2 75e 866.3125 FB2 75e 867.0125 FB2 75e 867.5125 FB2 75e 868.0125 FB2 75e 868.1625 FB2 75e 868.425 FB2 75e 868.7125 FB2 75e 266 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 1, 2002 2:37pm Subject: XMAS VIA SCANNER LISTENERS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email People listening to the police scanners Christmas day came to the aid of a mother and her son. Something to tuck away the next time somone proposes closing a public safety system.... Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- Tuesday afternoon Winchester Police Officer Clint Shrum was overheard on the scanner saying that "a woman and her 3-year-old son had not eaten in a couple of days, nor do they have any Christmas presents and they need help." http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2855503&BRD=1615&PAG=461& dept_id=387658&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 267 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jan 1, 2002 10:21pm Subject: Re: PA STATEWIDE SYSTEM hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I dont think that means too much Bob. I have seen it on many licenses. I think it is a gentle prod from the FCC to get things going (or to keep construction on schedule). Peter S 268 From: public@... Date: Wed Jan 2, 2002 4:30am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2855503&BRD=1615&PAG=461& Scannists Pour In To Help Family After a routine verbal observation made on open police channels, the public in Winchester Tennessee flooded gifts and good cheer on a woman there who found herself, with son, not eating in three days and without presents over Christmas. The police official is quoted at the end of the article as saying that this is one time he was glad that the public was listening to their police scanners. We at Openness.org are not surprised, of course. Open public safety broadcasting has saved lives, preserved fundamental democractic principles, and improved public and officer safety. In some cases as this story indicates, it has given rise to the community spirit. There are few, if any, actual accounts of scanners proving detrimental to the public safety state. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 269 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 2, 2002 0:21pm Subject: Editorial Urges Openness - Portsmouth NH hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/12_13_e1.htm New Hampshire I think that one local PD has already started to use digital comms in NH - 155.865 is the freq (or the approximate frequency). And the state police have been digital for several years now (151.40 and other freqs). (The big city PDs in NH - Nashua and Manchester - have now migrated to 800Mhz - Nashua PD might be digital, but I dont think that Manchester PD is) Peter S 270 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 2, 2002 1:43pm Subject: Editorial Dissappeared? hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I am not able to access the Openness editorial at this time - but you can see that the item still appears in their archive search for "digital, radio" (see Item 17) ======================== Search found 682 documents from 15498 searched. More indicates better match. 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It is a ringing endorsement of Openness.org's message for a newspaper to go on record supporting open access in this context. We have been blessed in 2002, it seems, to find such great stories and commentary floating around out there. Thanks gentleman!: If things progress as planned, pretty soon residents of the Seacoast, state and region will hear no evil — at least not from their police scanners. As we reported on Sunday, police departments all over the state are switching to a digital radio system that will, as it stands now, prevent the general public from hearing law enforcement information over the traditional, commercially manufactured radio scanners. The goal, from the viewpoint of law enforcement, is to develop an integrated communications system that will allow police to talk freely with their counterparts in far-flung locations. We fully support this move to integrate communications. It is vital in these post-Sept. 11 days that law enforcement officials be able to get in contact with each other in the event of a major emergency. In addition to developing an integrated system, however, the switch to digital will preclude anyone who is not part of the law enforcement community — or who has not been given access to its communications — from tuning into police conversations. While it is important to keep criminals in the dark concerning police matters, the new system will also pull the plug on those who either enjoy listening to the activities in the streets of their communities via their scanners or who need access to this information for independent oversight purposes. Conversion to a digital format will deny the public any information that law enforcement officials do not want to share. It could make law enforcement a closed community and, in doing so, open the system to abuses. Police in some Seacoast towns have already curtailed information available to the public when it involves data secured from the state Department of Motor Vehicles. A law passed by the state Legislature two years ago sought to prevent personal information contained in that department's records from being openly distributed, and some local police departments have used this law as an excuse not to give out information concerning individuals involved in motor-vehicle accident, fraud or theft cases. In a free society, which is what America still professes to be even in the wake of the terrorist attacks in September, public oversight of public functions is a necessity. Without that oversight, an agency — any agency, federal, state or local — can do what it wishes including abuse its powers by diminishing individual freedoms. This is particularly true in the area of law enforcement, where agency powers are extensive and far-reaching. We have already seen the kinds of abuses law enforcement is capable of in some of the major cities in our country. We are not saying we lack trust in our local police departments; they represent, in many cases, the thin line that separates us from those who would do us harm. However, it is important that the activities of those departments be open to public scrutiny so abuses that could stem from an atmosphere of secrecy do not take place. We urge the development of digital scanners and, in the meantime, ask local police departments to make available equipment that can convert digital transmissions back into voice communications for private, law- abiding citizens and the press. This equipment should not be supplied free of charge or to people with criminal histories, but it should be available in order to assure the public that law enforcement is, indeed, following the laws it is sworn to uphold. — Portsmouth Herald 272 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jan 2, 2002 1:48pm Subject: Re: Open Access To Police Communications Is Vital brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In a message dated 01/02/2002 12:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, public@... writes: > I found the article using a path from Google. It is a ringing > endorsement of Openness.org's message for a newspaper to go on record > supporting open access in this context. We have been blessed in > 2002, it seems, to find such great stories and commentary floating > around out there. Thanks gentleman!: > > Dave: Can U provide us with the link URL?? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 273 From: David Pinero Date: Wed Jan 2, 2002 9:15pm Subject: Re: Open Access To Police Communications Is Vital dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I'm not sure how this differs from the previous posted - they sure look similar. But I'm in too much of a hurry to check exactly. Here is the exact link I finally pulled the article from: http://www.seacoastonline.com/2001news/12_13_e1.htm Dave --- worksntv@... wrote: > In a message dated 01/02/2002 12:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > public@... writes: > > > > I found the article using a path from Google. It is a ringing > > endorsement of Openness.org's message for a newspaper to go on record > > supporting open access in this context. We have been blessed in > > 2002, it seems, to find such great stories and commentary floating > > around out there. Thanks gentleman!: > > > > > > Dave: > > Can U provide us with the link URL?? > Bob > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ===== =========================================================== David pinero, Tampa Florida. AOL Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 YAHOO Instant Messenger Name: dpinero2 http://www.davidpinero.com =========================================================== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com 274 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 2, 2002 10:02pm Subject: Report On FBI Academy hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email NPR News just did a report on the FBI Academy at Quantico Virginia VA. While they were describing a training exercise at their simulated town, you could hear some of the FBI radio communications. "I want you to come over here by the McGruff sign and help me cover the front door" - not a big deal - but I thought it was interesting The FBI Academy is run by a woman - she is the highest ranking woman in the FBI - new agents take a 16 week course - 1000 students are there at any one time - since Sept 11, applications are up - in the past they got many cops and military people as applicants - now they are getting a wider group of people - the average applicant is ?31 years old and has a Masters degree - starting salary is $42K - the longest course (114 hours) is firearms training - most new agents have never fired a gun - they are required to be proficient with a 45 Glock + 12 gauge shotgun + "submachinegun" - passing the course involves fighting off 5 attackers in a ambush - the FBI gets into 1 gunfight per week now 275 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jan 3, 2002 1:18pm Subject: Dispatchers In Fauquier County Virginia hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2865485&BRD=1904&PAG=461&dept_id=12745\ 8&rfi=6 This is a "day in the life" article about the emergency dispatchers in Fauquier County VA. 2/3rds of the way down you will see that the dispatchers use scanners in their cars and at their homes to keep a finger on the pulse of the county. (this is the county where they are having the running battle about 150 Mhz vs 800 Mhz) 276 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 1:42pm Subject: Free Speech On Internet Re-Affirmed hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hackensack-AP) -- A judge has dismissed a lawsuit against the operator of a Web site. People who went to Stephen Moldow's site could read and post anonymous messages that criticized officials in Emerson. The judge says Moldow shouldn't be held liable for allowing sometimes-crude accusations. (Jersey City-AP) -- Tough times at one of New Jersey's oldest newspapers. The owners of The Jersey Journal say it will cease publication unless unions agree to staff reductions of up to 50%. Negotiations are under way, but the owners want an answer within 30 days. 277 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 2:18pm Subject: Openness Thread Underway hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/NewHampshireScanner This thread results from the editorial in the Portsmouth NH newspaper calling for OPENNESS in police radio communications 278 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 3:42pm Subject: General Info - Truth and Falsity on the Net / Face Recognition hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The first item mentions that rumors often change their list of characters as they propogate across the Net. Also - links to 2 fact checker / urband legend URLs are given (snopes + ?) - Peter S ---------------------------------- Sept. 11 myths abound online In the weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, there has been a surge in urban legends -- tales that travel at warp speed through the Internet and across neighborhood fences -- gathering embellishments as they go. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/681820.asp ----------------------- Face-recognition system blasted The American Civil Liberties Union issued a report Thursday saying use of face-recognition technology failed miserably in a Tampa, Fla., trial last year, but Tampa police are disputing their finding. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/681500.asp 279 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 4:04pm Subject: How Many Psychotics Does It Take To Change A Scanner? hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.searchk9.net/training/480radio.htm This radio info was written up for a volunteer search and rescue group that uses radios on the Los Angeles County California Sheriff's radio system. Notice paragraph 6 - psychotics and news media The news media and Big Brass are mentioned again briefly down below where they talk about using the SUD channel. 280 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 4:14pm Subject: The Connection Now - Internet Talking hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Internet is having a major impact on human communications www.wbur.org - live feed now - 1115hrs EST - will be on for 1 hour www.theconnection.org 281 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 11:39am Subject: listening to the defenders of freedom brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email After years of listening to conversations just like this on my multiband radio scanner, I’m still drawn to the excitement and intrigue of monitoring military aircraft transmissions. What does it all mean? Who is saying what to whom? Where are these folks flying, is this a practice exercise or is something really going on? Are we safe? It’s a giant jigsaw puzzle in the sky. http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/special-report/rwf-military.shtml 282 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 5:40pm Subject: LA Times Police Reports hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.latimes.com/tcn/foothill/news/police/la-fl0007032jan02.story I was suprised to see police logs in the Los Angeles Times - but here they are 283 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 1:11pm Subject: the 800 mhz battle continues brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email As part of his continuous effort to push the Fauquier Board of Supervisors to an 800 MHz radio system purchase, Board member Larry Weeks sent this email from his County email account to Board Chairman Ray Graham requesting a Board work session: http://www.fauquiernews.com/A%20Special%20Supervisor.htm 284 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 2:12pm Subject: SLURS ON POLICE CHANNEL brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Someone broadcast racial slurs Thursday over the Onondaga County Justice Center's radio system, according to sheriff's officials, who have asked the FBI for assistance in the investigation. http://www.syracuse.com/news/syrnewspapers/index.ssf?/newsstories/20011229_rns lur.html 285 From: public@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 10:42pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20020104_1569.html FBI Demands Jail Punishment For Journalist The FBI is apparently demanding that a woman journalist be subject to the perils and dangers of jail for refusing to disclose her notes as they relate to a murder case she covered. The FBI is apparently arguing that it has not approved of the woman's role as a journalist and therefore jail and its associated dangers such as rape and and intimidation by other inmates is suitable punishment until the woman acknowledges this. Unbelievable. :P To be fair, many FBI "approved" journalists have also faced similar persecution when the stakes were high enough. However, the center of argument here makes this particular issue more noteworthy than most. Who is a journalist and why does the FBI get to decide that question? Why not ask me? ;) IP: 168.143.112.101 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 286 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 10:19am Subject: FIREFIGHTERS: WTC EVIDENCE BEING DESTROYED! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Some citizens are taking to the streets to protest the investigation sellout. Sally Regenhard, for one, wants to know why and how the building fell as it did upon her unfortunate son Christian, an FDNY probationary firefighter. And so do we. Clearly, there are burning questions that need answers. Based on the incident's magnitude alone, a full-throttle, fully resourced, forensic investigation is imperative. More important, from a moral standpoint, for the safety of present and future generations who live and work in tall buildings-and for firefighters, always first in and last out-the lessons about the buildings' design and behavior in this extraordinary event must be learned and applied in the real world. To treat the September 11 incident any differently would be the height of stupidity and ignorance. http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles& SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=131225 287 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 11:26pm Subject: Uniden Debuts APCO-25 Digital Scanner dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/uniden-digital.htm The credibility of this report has not been established. Note: Technical solutions are for not if public safety institutes continue to evade the public. There is no public safety in public ignorance. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 288 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jan 6, 2002 2:35pm Subject: College PD Lists Freqs hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://sunny.moorpark.cc.ca.us/~police/scanner.htm Moorpark Community College California in Ventura County 289 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jan 7, 2002 0:47pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ------------------------------------ Bummer! The News Hound was out banging pots and pans together on New Year's Night, but apparently the Los Angeles PD was banging their heads against a wall when their $50 million digital radio system went ka-put! Officials said "frequency crowding" caused a computer glitch that blanked out the conventional (not trunked) Project 25-compliant radio system for about one minute around 3 a.m. on New Year's Day, until a re-boot got the system up and running again. -------------------------- 290 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jan 7, 2002 0:50pm Subject: MORE FROM DISPATCH NEWS HOUND brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Motorola reports it completed a set of "long anticipated" factory acceptance tests on Project 25-compliant radio gear ordered by Mesa and Phoenix (Ariz.). The tests were designed to, "ensure digital, trunked Project 25 compliant radios built by multiple manufacturers will interoperate with each other," the company said. In this case, the Motorola gear worked with EF Johnson radios and IFR test equipment. A Motorola press release said Wulfsberg Electronics and Kenwood expressed "very strong" interest in participating, "but were unable to meet the timeline that Mesa and Phoenix had to work with." The radio system for the two cities will take about two years to fully install, will cover 2,000 square miles, and handle Gilbert, Mesa and Phoenix police departments, and 17 fire agencies. Final radio load: 15,000 mobiles and portables. 291 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jan 7, 2002 7:37pm Subject: Maryland May Change Wiretap Laws hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/1167590/index.html?tml=bal_4pm&ts=T&tmi=bal_4\ pm_1_03000101042002 292 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jan 7, 2002 8:39pm Subject: Philly PD Lists Freqs On Website hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Philadelphia, PA Police Dept lists their dispatch frequencies (not Narc, stakeout, car-car, etc) and City-wide frequencies on the web. Unfortunately, they also point out, as local scannerists are well aware, that the City is building a digital trunked system. http://www.ppdonline.org/ppd2_radio.htm http://www.ppdonline.org/ppd2_frequencies.htm Pennsylvania 293 From: av8tor@... Date: Tue Jan 8, 2002 0:23am Subject: Re: Philly PD Lists Freqs On Website georgef2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I use to live in PA and I thought Philly already was digital. In fact I recall several years ago they got a new police chief who made a comment to the fact "the public does not need to hear what we're talking about!". I remember that comment as it made all the local papers. The sad thing about it is that most of the residents of Philly loved this new chief. George http://www.MilAirComms.com <-HF, VHF, UHF Military Freqs and Info. ______________________________________________________ I make Over $5000 per Week on eBay! Make eBay(tm) Your Job and Earn BIG $$$ ---->http://www.licensed4fun.com/ebay<---- ______________________________________________________ 294 From: public@... Date: Tue Jan 8, 2002 2:57am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.ljworld.com/section/stateregional/story/78725 Internet Police Scanning Grows Acceptance This article highlights the growing interest in listening in on police and other radio communications as they are presented online. IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 295 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 9, 2002 1:31pm Subject: Newspaper Mentions Police Scanner hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Patriotic suspects blend in http://www.telegram.com/news/east/enqa.html (mention of police scanner and BOLO for car with US flag on antenna - also cop candidates who dont knw who the chief LEOs are) Massachusetts 296 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 9, 2002 5:56pm Subject: A Item From New Zealand hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I found this on a New Zealand scanner list -------------------------- STUFF (Evening Post):- Police visit riles letter-writer 08 January 2002 A Petone man is outraged after being visited by a police detective after having a letter to the editor published in The Evening Post. Now Tahir Ali fears information on police files may affect his employment prospects after just completing a BA in anthropology at Victoria University. Mr Ali's letter, published on December 27, suggested New Zealand's SAS force be disbanded along with the Air Force because it wasted taxpayers' money. His name appears to have rung alarm bells in the police, following the September 11 attack on the United States and the so-called war on terrorism. But he is not Middle Eastern - he was born in Fiji to an Indian father and a mother from the Pacific Island of Rotuma. Now 35, he arrived with his family in New Zealand in 1968 - "I consider myself a Kiwi". He has no criminal record apart from once driving through a red light. His home was visited by two detectives on the day the letter appeared but he was out, leaving his sister and mother worried about why he was being sought. Police later contacted him by cellphone and a detective returned to his home the next day. "He was very good-natured about it but he said they investigated anyone who expressed an opinion against the Government," Mr Ali said yesterday. He initially thought the visit was a security check linked to his application for a job with Winz, now the Ministry of Social Development. "Since he's written everything down, I do know that we have a police database and it could discriminate me if I decide to go for a job with Winz or any other government job." The detective quizzed Mr Ali on other letters he had written and asked for his e- mail address "and some very sensitive information about my family . . . where I was from and how long I'd been in New Zealand. "I just thought it was rather outrageous. "We are not living in Nigeria or any of those banana republics . . . liberties are starting to slip away." Mr Ali regularly appears in The Post's letters pages, but while he has opposed the war in Afghanistan, his subject matter is varied - a letter published on December 19 offered a staunch defence of the efforts of The Lord Of The Rings movie director Peter Jackson. He was an extra in the movie. Police spokeswoman Kaye Calder would not comment specifically on the case, but said police talked to "many people" to see if they had information which might "assist investigations". "This current inquiry is no exception . . . We're working on a range of current inquiries but it would be counterproductive for us to say who we've spoken to and why, and what they may have said." She would not say what the "current inquiry" concerned was but confirmed letters to the editor were "sometimes" followed up. "It depends very much on if we think they may be able to help us with something." Nor did she rule out police monitoring calls to talkback radio. 297 From: public@... Date: Thu Jan 10, 2002 4:29pm Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: NE When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 298 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jan 10, 2002 6:32pm Subject: Dumping 800Mhz hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email How many agencies have dumped 800 Mhz now? Pittsburgh PA + St Charles MO + Williamsport PA + Bloomington IL + ? ======================== Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:47:48 EST To: carma@... Wednesday, January 9, 2002 BPD switches radio systems By Kevin Simpson Pantagraph staff BLOOMINGTON -- The Bloomington Police Department's new radio system went online Tuesday afternoon as part of a costly but faith-founded move intended to bolster officer safety and confidence. "They're good. We haven't had any complaints on them," an officer said late Tuesday. "I think that at the very minimum ... morale and the concern for officer safety and the interaction between our officers and telecommunicators should all be significantly improved," Assistant Police Chief Jeff Sanders said. Radio transmissions in August were inaudible or full of static. Officers doubled up in squad cars to ensure officer safety, since calls for backup might not be heard on the 800-MHz radio system used throughout the county. The new 400-MHz system likely will mean one officer will be assigned to each car again, but commanders have the final say. The system and equipment from Motorola cost $236,594. Seventy more radios will be purchased. The move boosted confidence within the department, particularly among patrol officers frustrated by the 800-MHz system built by E.F. Johnson Radio Systems. The same problems led the Normal Police Department to return to its 400-MHz radio system in August. The Bloomington and Normal fire departments, McLean County sheriff's deputies, and numerous small-town police departments continue to use the 800-MHz system. Sanders thanked City Manager Tom Hamilton, the city council and city residents, who occasionally had to wait for assistance because fewer patrol cars were on the street. "It was the work of a lot of people who brought it all together," Sanders said. The 800-MHz system cost about $2.4 million and could cost up to $1.8 million to upgrade, but that does not guarantee the system will be fixed. The system was designed in the mid-1990s. Bloomington police will keep the old equipment in case of emergency. The Metcom Operations Board, which meets Friday, will decide whether to upgrade or scuttle the E.F. Johnson system. Mike Scott, president of Bloomington's Police Benevolent and Protective Association Unit 21, could not be reached for comment Tuesday. 299 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jan 10, 2002 10:19pm Subject: FCC FAQ On Refarming hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://wireless.fcc.gov/plmrs/refarmfq.html You can find a paragraph here that says that there is no "mandate / requirement" for anyone to move to 800 Mhz or digital. And if good jargon is used, then 100% more messages can be passed on each channel - if the skip and static doesnt kill ya. ------------------ Per the APCO website - $240 coordination fee for each new site / channel - only $120 for 800 Mhz freqs though 300 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jan 10, 2002 6:11pm Subject: Re: Dumping 800Mhz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In a message dated 1/10/02 13:33:54 Eastern Standard Time, zerg90@... writes: > The Bloomington Police Department's new radio system went > online Tuesday afternoon as part of a costly but faith-founded move > intended to bolster officer safety and confidence. > "They're good. We haven't had any complaints on them," an officer said > late Tuesday. > Can u please include the link?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 301 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 11, 2002 6:01pm Subject: Man Charged Over Pilot Radio hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from YahooAlerts Breaking News:: NEW YORK _ Man charged with lying about pilot radio found in hotel overlooking World Trade Center. 302 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 11, 2002 9:53pm Subject: Re: Dumping 800Mhz hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email For the URL of that Bloomington IL story - go to http://www.pantagraph.com/ - use the search box in the upper right corner - search for Bloomington Police Radio - you should get 13 hits - the first one is the article from 09 Jan 2002 Peter S 303 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jan 12, 2002 11:45am Subject: UPDATE ON PA STATEWIDE SYSTEM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In a message dated 01/12/2002 10:39:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, youngiesch@... writes: Is the PSP trunked system still going as planned? Here's a little info, but it isn't current. It looks like they may be way over budget and I heard that they missed an important FCC deadline. They did miss a deadline--but it's unclear what that means to the FCC--They are WAY over budget---project was supposed to cost 179 million---last report it's at 225 million and that DOES NOT include the cost of the radios---thats just FOR THE SYSTEM. Also the project was supposed to be online statewide last spring---now it's anyone guess---Because of the problems with the way 800 travels I hope for the troopers sake this works---I was recently told there was a meeting in Harrisburg with the people in charge of the system and the "communications" officers [troopers] from around the state. The troopers who really know they're stuff got into a heated arguement with the state people over choosing 800 mhz---but again---they've spent so much money they can't back out now. Bob 304 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 13, 2002 0:24pm Subject: FR: ANOTHER LIST-BUT INTERESTING brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: [phlscanner] Fwd: Philadelphia 800 system Date: 01/12/2002 8:19:56 PM Eastern Standard Time From: firefoto3@... (firefoto3) Reply-to: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com To: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com --- In PhiladelphiaCitywideRadio@y..., "firefoto3" wrote: All interested, I heard a rumor the other day, so checked it out. Thru a very reliable source, I have learned that Philly is very pissed right now at the Bearcat announcement of the new digital scanner. They are now involved in a big fight and possibly lawsuit with motorola. Seems motorola promised the city no one would be able to monitor city activity with the new system, until that is, Bearcat came out with their announcement. What I hear now is....The City wants motorola to pay for upgrading the system to a "FULLY ENCRYPTED" system, so that no one can hear the every day traffic of fire or p/d activity. I did check this out thru a very reliable source who knows what is going on with the system, and it has been confirmed, Philly wants to fuly encrypt the new 800 system to keep us all out. I guess this will be the beginning of some fireworks between the City, Motorola, and the Media. This can't be tolerated, and is rediculous beyond belief. Brian/PCW-5 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 305 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 13, 2002 1:32pm Subject: MORE PHILLY INFO brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In a message dated 01/13/2002 1:08:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, tvsjr@... writes: This should serve as a call to action. What happens in Philadelphia will set the tone for systems around the country. Those who live in the area and are directly affected, as well as those who don't, should write letters to anyone they can think of in local/state/federal government. If we can end this desire for secrecy/encryption here, it will make it easier to fight the next battle, when the next government organization tries to take a system fully encrypted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- Here's where u can find The mayor/city council's phone numbers!! http://www.phila.gov/ 306 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Mon Jan 14, 2002 1:19am Subject: Re: MORE PHILLY INFO nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >This should serve as a call to action. What happens in Philadelphia will >set the tone for systems around the country. Those who live in the area and I doubt it. Philadelphia (ironically, the home of the Liberty Bell) has had an attitude problem about citizens vs. the police for decades. This is nothing new, and it is an attitude that is not shared in very many communities around the nation. Remember, the Philadelphia PD firebombed a city block once. (That wasn't the plan, but it was the effect.) -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 307 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Jan 14, 2002 5:40pm Subject: RE: FR: ANOTHER LIST-BUT INTERESTING dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email If this story proved true it would be a slap in the face to honest dialoge between open access advocates and police. By far, police and spokesman for public safety institutions commenting on digital conversion issues have repeatedly assured public assimilators that going digital is not 'about locking people out'. A lawsuit like this would reveal that, in fact, keeping the public out is CENTRAL to their concerns. Granted we'd have to examine our archive of information on the Philadelphia situation to see if Philly ever actually made such a friendly disclaimer, but if that examination confirmed any of this, everyone here would have cause to be outraged. At this time, though, it appears this is nothing but rumor. If there is a case pending against Motorola, some aspect of that should be findable and eventually would be. And, following that, open activists would have to change their tune a bit to regard public safety as much more hostile against our rants than we may have imagined. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: worksntv@... [mailto:worksntv@...] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:24 PM To: ka3qpq@...; n2mca@...; melody@... Subject: [Openness] FR: ANOTHER LIST-BUT INTERESTING Subj: [phlscanner] Fwd: Philadelphia 800 system Date: 01/12/2002 8:19:56 PM Eastern Standard Time From: firefoto3@... (firefoto3) Reply-to: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com To: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com --- In PhiladelphiaCitywideRadio@y..., "firefoto3" wrote: All interested, I heard a rumor the other day, so checked it out. Thru a very reliable source, I have learned that Philly is very pissed right now at the Bearcat announcement of the new digital scanner. They are now involved in a big fight and possibly lawsuit with motorola. Seems motorola promised the city no one would be able to monitor city activity with the new system, until that is, Bearcat came out with their announcement. What I hear now is....The City wants motorola to pay for upgrading the system to a "FULLY ENCRYPTED" system, so that no one can hear the every day traffic of fire or p/d activity. I did check this out thru a very reliable source who knows what is going on with the system, and it has been confirmed, Philly wants to fuly encrypt the new 800 system to keep us all out. I guess this will be the beginning of some fireworks between the City, Motorola, and the Media. This can't be tolerated, and is rediculous beyond belief. Brian/PCW-5 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 308 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 16, 2002 4:55pm Subject: Lake Chelan WA Scanner Site hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.golakechelan.com/scanner.shtml If you click on the About Us link, you will see that this private website was developed by the former owner of the local AM radio station - and he thinks that police scanners should be an integral part of any community website. Peter S 309 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 16, 2002 4:59pm Subject: Check Out www.mypolicescanner.com hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.mypolicescanner.com/ A website dedicated to bringing online police scanners to the masses - with some ?advertising thrown in. (I found this on the livescanneraudio list) Peter S 310 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 16, 2002 8:48pm Subject: Chases - And Those Who Watch Them hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-000003860jan15.story?coll=la%2\ Dheadlines%2Dfrontpage (from the socalscan list) Peter S This article chronicles the chase craze in southern California. 2000 people pay $5 per month to be paged when a chase appears on TV. Chases kill 28 per year in California. I suppose I could tie this to the Openness theme by guessing that many more people would go crazy without their chase fix if all police radio systems went closed. (Hows that for a convoluted sentence to match a convoluted train of thought :-) 311 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 18, 2002 2:49pm Subject: Utah Listings Pulled? hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email It looks like all of the Utah scanner listings have been pulled off the Net. Someone mentioned that the scanner group made a promise to the Olympic Coordinating Committee to take the freqs offline. Anyone have any hard info on this? Peter S 312 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 18, 2002 5:57pm Subject: DESALLES UNIVERSITY brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone have the freq/freqs for Desalle U near Allentown, Pa ...going there Saturday and would like to a little "spying" :-) Bob 313 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 18, 2002 6:00pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- Skimming some information on Ohio's MARCS, state-wide radio system, the Hound learned it's intended to replace an ancient low-band VHF system that had a few faults. One of those faults, the Ohio State Highway Patrol said, was that the system was, "vulnerable to interference by errant radio traffic from places as far away as South America." Now, if we could only get that type of reception out of an 800 MHz system! -------------------------- The Hound has heard of sole-source deals, but get this...Motorola has signed the State of Vatican City for a TETRA-based radio system for general, security and public safety communications. According to a press release, Motorola was chosen because of, "its long tradition of collaboration and its recognized experience as a supplier of advanced communications solutions to police forces worldwide." ------------------------- Now this is a coincidence...Motorola also signed a $9.2 million contract with the village of Schaumburg (Ill.) for a completely new, 10,000 square-foot comm center, including radio system, computers, consoles, etc. It will replace the current 12 year-old center that officials say is obsolete. Ah, Schaumburg is home to Motorola's world-wide headquarters. Vactican...Schaumburg? What's next? -------------------------- We should all be this lucky...or maybe not. The Utah Agency Communications Network (UCAN) invested about $40 million itself in building a state-wide radio network, consisting of a 43-site backbone and some 9,100 radios on 800 MHz. Then along came the Olympics, and the Department of Defense gave the agency another $8 million to flesh out the radio system with another 6,808 radios, and 170 repeaters at 20 more sites--that's about a 50% increase in size. And, what's even better, they get to keep all the gear when the Olympics blow out of town. -------------------------- Fort Wayne and Allen County (Ind.) have formally accepted a $13.3 million Motorola 800 MHz trunked radio system that links public safety agencies in the city and county, the state police, FBI, ATF and DEA. It's an ASTRO SmartZone, mixed analog-digital system that includes two simulcast sites and 18 channels for voice communications, and some 2,000 radios (XTS 3000, MTS 2000, MCS 2000). The system also includes a 13-position Centracom Gold Series Elite console. ------------------------- Perhaps...and we mean perhaps, Fauquier County (Virg.) supervisors will end the debate and speculation this Tuesday during their regular meeting. They're expected to approve (or not) a multi-million dollar contract with Motorola for an 800 MHz trunked radio system. At that point, the contract will become public--but 800 pages of supporting documents will stay in the county's procurement office for in-person inspection only. The Hound expects the contract approval to increase debate on the plan, as critics get ahold of definitive information from the bid documents. 314 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 18, 2002 8:34pm Subject: 2 WAY ROBBERYS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Armed robbers hit restaurants as they were closing in Cary and Raleigh on Wednesday night, and some witnesses told police the men used scanners or two-way radios. Such radios might enable bandits to monitor law enforcement movements through 911 broadcasts. http://www.newsobserver.com/friday/news/triangle/Story/904539p-903432c.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 315 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 4:02pm Subject: Thorncreek Township FD Website - Indiana hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://home.whitleynet.org/ttfd/ This small FD has a website that lists radio freqs + FD radio numbers - posts recent incidents - has great one page standard operating guide 316 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 0:31pm Subject: OKLAHOMA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Oklahoma City bought the big-ticket item on its half-cent public safety sales tax shopping list this week, choosing M/A-COM Inc. as the vendor for a radio system that will enable various city departments to communicate with each other. http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=810778&pic=none&TP=getarticle 317 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 2:38pm Subject: Ventura County CA FD Website Lists Freqs hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email per the source code - this page was apparently compiled in May of 1999 http://www.ventura.org/fire/About_Us/Contacts/Radio_Frequencies/radio_frequencie\ s.htm California 318 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 1:34pm Subject: digital scanner report brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email When police departments switch to digital radios, scanner buffs will be left in the dark. But the blackout may be temporary, as digital-capable scanners are almost ready to hit the market. Most New Hampshire police departments still use analog radios, which hobbyists, the media and others can monitor with scanners. Agencies that have switched to digital, such as the New Hampshire State Police, cannot be heard. http://www.fosters.com/news2002a/jan02/21/do0121d.htm 319 From: public@... Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 6:50pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://www.fosters.com/news2002a/jan02/21/do0121d.htm Police Department: Public Access Has Priority Value This article finds a police chief commenting about how it would like to work to simulcast basic police communication in analog format for the explicit purpose of scannists. The section reads 'At least one police department is considering a plan to broadcast in analog to accommodate the scanner hobbyists. Portsmouth Police Chief Brad Russ said he would like to broadcast in both digital and analog because some scanner listeners have given useful tips to police.' Openness.org has been campaigning for 4 years now to generate more statements like this. Way to go! IP: 65.35.169.154 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 320 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:15pm Subject: DC PD Scanner Feed Discontinued hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.penguinradio.com/nontraditional/scanners/ This website has a notice saying that Washington D.C. police scanner feed has been discontinued upon the request of a law enforcement agency. District of Columbia 321 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:57am Subject: Nashua NH Goes Digital hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I think that FD is patching their digital radio traffic to their old VHF freqs, but the PD is now completely unmonitorable. 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Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:25pm Subject: Cleveland Texas Accident hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Did this accident really happen? Does the tone of the article inspire confidence in its validity? --------------------- EMS called to accident on 321 By:Kimberly Lynch, Managing EditorJanuary 21, 2002 On the evening of January 20, Cleveland Emergency crews were called to an accident on Hwy 321 in front of the Church of Christ, located close to CR 2274. When the crews arrived, Tarkington VFD was on the scene. Two men on a motorcycle, whose names were not released by DPS at press time, were involved in an accident with two men in a four-door sedan. The motorcycle was on fire when Tarkington VFD arrived on the scene. The two men who were on the motorcycle were to be transported by life-flight, but due to weather conditions, the life-flight could not respond. These two men were then transported by Cleveland EMS to Cleveland Regional Medical Center. The two men in the sedan were examined on the scene by Liberty County EMS. However, they signed a waiver of further treatment, and were released. Trooper Wright, who was the investigating officer, was unavailable for comment as to the exact cause of the accident. Cleveland Regional Medical Center was not at liberty to release any information on the current status of either of the gentlemen when contacted on January 21, 2002. ©Cleveland Advocate 2002 Reader Opinions Be the first person to voice your opinion on this story! Back to top 323 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:42pm Subject: Florida Gov Will Do All Within His Means hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/florida/digdocs/023303.htm Florida governor proclaims that they will do everything "within our means to thwart any terrorist attack within" Florida --------------------- ?Everything - everything? - all things? - without bounds? - without limits? 324 From: av8tor@... Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:06pm Subject: Re: Florida Gov Will Do All Within His Means georgef2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/florida/digdocs/023303.htm > >Florida governor proclaims that they will do everything "within our >means to thwart any terrorist attack within" Florida > >--------------------- > >?Everything - everything? - all things? - without bounds? - without >limits? > Ops, I guess we just screwed the U.S. Constitution George http://www.MilAirComms.com 325 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 6:55pm Subject: New Orleans Feed Is Gone hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.nola.com/live/ Apparently this New Orleans Louisiana website dropped their police radio scanner feed and substituted National Weather Radio in its place. 326 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:47pm Subject: Anonymous Posters On The Internet hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.businesstoday.com/business/technology/ap_mole01222002.htm A company in Buffalo NY is trying to hunt down a insider who is leaking info to Yahoo chatrooms. Yahoo got 459 subpoenas last year in cases such as this. ------------------- I moderate a couple of YahooGroups lists. The only info that I can see about list members is ID - Yahoo profile if available - date signed up for list - bounce history - digest or individual or no Email - that is about it. No one has ever asked me for any info about anyone that was making any posts. 327 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 10:55am Subject: FR:DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- On Tuesday night the Fauquier County (Virg.) supervisors voted 4-1 to accept the long-debated, $7.2 million contract with Motorola for a 800 MHz trunked radio system. With the approval comes release of a 78-page contract, which we are reviewing for inclusion in the next printed edition. -------------------------- Ouch! Nextel's plan to reorcganize the 800 MHz band and create contiguous allocations for public safety and commercial users is receiving some pretty heavy criticism from the commercial radio associations. One group called the plan an "unmitigated disaster," while another has scheduled two seminars to discuss the plan among its members. The big criticism: it will cost hundreds of millions to re-program radios, none of which would be reimbursed by Nextel. Check our complete coverage at: http://www.911Dispatch.com/information/nextel/ -------------------------- Be a pal to your police chief or sheriff--sort of off-handedly let him/her know that Attorney General John Ashcroft is now allowing them to apply for a national security clearance so they can be "in the loop" when a terrorist incident occurs. Right now, even if you're the mayor of New York City, the feds can't tell you certain information that's classified. No...there's no down-loadable application form. -------------------------- The Hound has read lots of interesting material on the Motorola vs. Ericsson/Tyco radio wars. However, one of the most pointed essays on purchasing a trunked radio system has just been posted in connection with Fauquier County's (Virg.) 800 MHz trunked radio plans. County resident George Tolis wrote the piece, which outlines his opinion that Motorola underspecifies 800 MHz systems to meet the customer's immediate budget requirements, then later makes big money installing extra gear to bring radio coverage up to what it originally should have been. Critics charge the county's rugged geography cannot be adequately covered with four radio sites. Surf: http://www.fauquiernews.com/Tolis letters.htm 328 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 6:26pm Subject: Miami Area News hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is from today's Miami Herald - maybe not totally ontopic - maybe not even partially ontopic :-) - but at least you get a hint of what the Miami Herald considers important as local news - Peter S --------------------- Push begins for stronger scrutiny of police http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/dade/digdocs/105294.htm * Counties cool feud on luring firms http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/011987.htm ---------------------------------------------- * LEAN MACHINE http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/100629.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Scuffle erupts over slot machines http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/100161.htm ---------------------------------------------- * District pushes to build hospital http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/070838.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Feds need to review city, rights panel says http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/073245.htm * Court rejects `three strikes´ law http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/florida/digdocs/086652.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Bank robbers abduct boater, take him for wild ride http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/florida/digdocs/099985.htm ---------------------------------------------- * Scuffle erupts in battle over video slot machines http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/florida/digdocs/060184.htm ==================================== THE AMERICAS ==================================== * A split Venezuela marks democracy http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/americas/digdocs/080059.htm 329 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 9:35pm Subject: Digital/Encrypted in Southern California hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I appropriated this info from the socalscan list - the posts are in reverse chronological order -------------- Socal Digital PD's: Santa Monica LAPD San Marino El Monte Alhambra Monterey Park Soon to be: Pasadena! They have been testing for a while. Arcadia is aquiring funds for new digital radios but they have a while to go still. ------------------------------- You can add El Monte and Alhambra to that list. =================== The only local agency (SoCal) that has gone mostly encrypted is Orange County Police and Sheriffs. If I can remember off the top of my head the agencies that have gone digital are... Los Angeles Police Santa Monica Orange County Sheriff/Police (Encrypted) San Diego County San Marino -------------------- Does anyone have a list of the agencies who have gone digital and gone encrypted. ---------------------------------- [Orange County fire units are analog even though they share the same radio system with the Orange County police units who are digital - San Diego County fire units might be analog also even though they share the same radio system with the various San Diego County law enforcement agencies - Los Angeles City fire units are still analog (non trunked on 800Mhz) - Los Angeles County Sheriff and Los Angeles County Fire units are still analog (non trunked on UHF) - that covers most of the heavily populated areas - Peter S] 330 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 6:09pm Subject: Child Murdered In Dorchester hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Last night, in the Dorchester section of Boston Massachusetts, a 3 year old girl was shot and killed in a apparent attempted home invasion by a person who appeared to be a police officer. Quoting a witness (as seen on Boston TV7) - "he had a walkie talkie, could have been a scanner, sounded like a walkie talkie, his badge was hanging out, we had to open the door to see what the police wanted" - (that is pretty much verbatim from a 20ish male - he definetely used the words "scanner" and "walkie talkie") The perp managed to get his arm into the apartment and fire one shot from a pistol which struck the little girl in the back and the bullet exited near her neck. TV7 had video of one EMS person carrying the child in his arms into the back of the ambulance. The TV reporter said that the perp claimed to be investigating the report of a domestic disturbance. ---------------------- I offer this info with the expectation that it will have a effect on the general public's perception of scanners, scannerists, and walkie-talkies. Peter S 331 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:23pm Subject: Minnie & Mickie Done Gone Digital hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the CFLG list on 6 January 2002 ---------------------------- All of Reedy Creek Emergency Services has transitioned to the new Astro digital system. The new system went live Tuesday morning, December 18, 2001. There are still a couple of special events channels, like the one being used this morning for the Disney Marathon, that are on the old analog system. I don't know how long it will be until that changes, and those channels are used very, very infrequently. 9-1-1 Communications Reedy Creek Fire Dept. Walt Disney World, Florida (I speak for me and only me.) http://www.reedycreekdispatch.webservepro.com http://mywebpage.netscape.com/mcjackietron/ 332 From: public@... Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:42pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a headline posting Openness.org: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020128/ts/enron_cheney_dc_2.html America On Alert: Vice President Refuses To Turn Over Documents This is a developing story, but apparently the Vice President of our nation has committed to hiding critical documents that could help to prove or disprove criminal wrongdoing in addition to moral and ethical deviance in the Enron collapse. Score one for closure in our open society. IP: 168.143.112.113 . Your Friendly Openness Secretary 333 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 0:21pm Subject: LIFEFLIGHT DANVILLE PA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I suspect that somewhere in the uhf range--there is a repeater or link for 155.160 whick is used as the chopper communicates with the "base" in Danville--- why do i suspect this? One day while searching the UHF range--I had some intermod---The signal was on just enough for me to hear both sides of the chopper/Danville comms and hear the repeater kick off--- I've tried searching again but have failed to find out what the repeater/linkfreq is--Anyone here on the list know anything abt this??????? Bob 334 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 0:20pm Subject: pro 94 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with Radio Shacks pro 94--the 1000 channel handheld? Any feedback would be appreciated! :-) Bob 335 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:01pm Subject: Advance.net - Good People hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://advance.net/index.ssf?/advance_internet/about.html I do not know who these folks are - but they sure like to put live scanner feeds on the Internet - Springfield Masschusetts, Staten Island New York NY, Cleveland Ohio, Huntsville Alabama, ?Mobile Alabama, ?formerly New Orleans Louisiana LA, Jersey City New Jersey NJ Three cheers for http://Advance.net 336 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:29pm Subject: Fw: [nysing-chat] Live Dispatch.com nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here is an announcement posted today to the NYSING Chat list: ===Hi, I have created a new web site for listening to live scanners. www.livedispatch.com lists sites that broadcast live scanners. There is also a tutorial page for placing your scanner online. If you have a scanner online that is not listed or a tutorial, then please send it in. Thanks Scott (103) === Relayed by Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 337 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 11:45am Subject: another 800 mhz report brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email While area law enforcement agencies will be upgraded to the 800 megahertz (MHz) radio system, several area fire departments are looking at a different system. Fire officials discussed different radio options at a recent fire chiefs meeting. They cite cost and the 800 MHz system inability to page members as reason to go another direction. Mason-Oceana 9-1-1 Dispatch Director Tom Altland acknowledged the 800 MHz systems cannot page individuals, but expects the technology to come. The Grant Township Fire Department already has upgraded to high band radio system, and Shelby-Benona, Ferry, Crystal and Walkerville departments are leaning that way. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3129795&BRD=2051&PAG=461& dept_id=382378&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 338 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 6:10pm Subject: AN INTERESTING POST:800MHZ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: Re: [phlscanner] another 800 mhz report Date: 02/02/2002 1:06:03 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Starion1@... (Lou Campagna) Reply-to: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com To: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com Bob - I appreciate the recent posts you've posted on this list about various public safety agencies contemplating switching or already on trunked systems along with the problems they're all experiencing. (vent mode) I'm sure I'm not alone in my evaluation regarding these 800 MHz trunked systems. It seems that many PS agencies throughout the USA have bought into the big M and other company's promise of the newer 800 MHz trunking technologies will be the solve-all for their communication needs. Yes, theoretically it works on paper but too many times we have read reports on the problems and even risk of lives these may have caused. Is trunking technology the real answer? Don't get me wrong, I too would like to see the system work. Hate to be labeled the guy that doesn't want to move forward into the new technologies that many systems now offer. But too many times, it appears that a look at what you currently have, with a modest tune- up, may solve most radio communication needs. In the beginning, it was thought that the trunking technology would better manage the scarce radio spectrum that was dwindling rapiding. Faced it, we all want more. If it's not conventional frequencies, it's more talk groups on a trunked system. It seems that approximately 50% of the trunked systems already in place need some sort of expansion in the number of frequencies to be added to their system. Did it really help alleviate the VHF or UHF congestion? No! Have many of the agencies that are part of the trunked switchover abandon their old radio systems? Very little in any! Does any agency take advantage of switching over to other TG other than their own to relay vital PS information? Hard to say. The technology exist, but users are reluctant to use it. If I worked for the local power company, I would like to instruct EMS units where to go if we had an emergency, instead of relaying all this through the dispatcher. The bells and whistles that are promised are under utilized. Did the FCC plan for future use and expansion of PS radio spectrum for new technologies? Not really. FCC ended breaking up the existing bands into smaller pieces and now is placing the burden on equipment manuafacturers to employ newer technology and mandating that the equipment complies with today's standard as well as the standard for tomorrow. But the FCC did aution off mega chucks of vauable radio spectrum to private companies so that they can do whatever. Cellular and PCS technology has really taken off over the past 5-6 years and although the services are consumer based I hope they're not forgeting about PUBLIC SAFETY communication which is ALSO consumer based. Does that planned radio communication costs fall within the budgets of many municipalities throughout the USA? Well this is a tricky one! When you hear about the enormous costs that many of these 800 MHz trunked systems command, it sounds scary. I realize that these figures are for the progected time frame and the projected cost is high. But more and more you hear that the costs projected were not adequate and all you hear printed on the front page of your favorite rag is that the new radio system needs $5.....6.... 10 million more dollars to complete the system. You would figure that these guys would be able to pinpoint some actual and realistic costs by now. In the end, you look at what you had (an OK VHF or UHF radio system) and now look at what you've got (an expensive 800 MHz trunked system) and all you can really know is that the new system will eventually work but it will cost municipalities dearly in the pocket. Sounds like poor money management. Sure I like top-of-the-line radios but would rather feed the family first. Looks like priorities are mixed up somewhere. Today you can go into a 2-way radio shop and pick up a conventional portable radio for PS use for about $700-900 new. Today's new 800 MHz portable radios are in the $3000 ballpark range. Needless to say what replacement parts go for. Hi-capacity nickle-metal hydryde batteries, speaker mics, etc... more money...more money...and then more money!!! On a recent visit to Philadelphia's Police Administration Building I was taken on a private tour of the PSAP 9-1-1 and radio room. It was 2 pm in the afternoon mid-week and I noticed that there was a special monitor perched above the radio console. I asked the dispatcher what was this monitor displaying and the answer I got was that this monitor indicated all the pending "jobs" that still needed police to be dispatched to. I thought this may happen during peak times like Friday and Saturday evenings but I was surprised to find out that the dispatcher stated that this was a daily occurance. The city will be allocating $50-54 million dollars into a new radio system but doesn't have the funds to place additional police officers on the street. I'm sure there aren't enough firefighters and EMS personnel on staff as well. Something is DEFINATELY WRONG with this picture. (vent off mode) Bob, please keep up the great posts. I'm starting to find this quite comical at first, surprised, then frustrated that so many municipalities are being duped into spending hard-earned dollars of the tax payers. When is someone going blow the lid over this fiasco? Lou Campagna Starion1@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 339 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Feb 3, 2002 1:09pm Subject: Cell Phones And Criminals hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.businesstoday.com/business/technology/ap_bizcrime02032002.htm 340 From: public@... Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 4:26am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! OPENNESS.ORG ENHANCED: This weekend I made a dramatic fiscal decision to enhance the databases of Openness.org and other webpages I master. The transfer to the new database platform is going along extremely well and already paying off in ease and efficiency. In the future you can expect this change to directly impact the usefulness and effectiveness of this campaign. For now, know that the headline system and National Index of Open Systems have undergone signficant behind the scene changes. This message is both an announcement and a test of the new system. Thank you for your support everyone! Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.openness.org Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 341 From: "John Linko" Date: Mon Feb 4, 2002 11:37pm Subject: Tyco under scrutny fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email Article from CNN's main website on possible problems regarding accounting practices at Tyco, which is the parent of M/A Com, who absorbed ComNet Ericsson (Ericsson as in EDACS radio systems). http://money.cnn.com/2002/02/04/companies/tyco/index.htm John MNN-009 N3RTS Grand Junction _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com 342 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 5:53pm Subject: Followup - 1 Arrested in Shooting Of 3 Year Old hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/036/nation/Dorchester_man_arrested_in_the_kill\ ing_of_3_year_old+.shtml There is mention of a "walkie-talkie" in this article - but no mention of a "scanner". Boston Massachusetts 343 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 11:17pm Subject: Does "Suggest" Mean The Same As "Decreed"? hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the Jan 4, 2002 SoCalFire list ------------------ someone posted a newspaper article mentioning that several local suburban PDs were going digital and that they had nothing to hide - here is a quote Narrow-band signals use half the space of wide-band signals. The FCC decreed police agencies must convert to narrow band by 2005. Digital signals use half the space of narrow-band signals. The FCC said all police agencies must be on that band between 2007 and 2009. 344 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 9:18pm Subject: Cable Competitors Videotape Police Chief's Hearing hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.masslive.com/hampfrank/unionnews/index.ssf?/news/pstories/f26mctv.htm\ l Montague Massachusetts - the selectmen are bringing the Police Chief up on charges of insubordination because he tried to purchase a new [?closed] radio system without consulting with the Town Manager. This article relates how the local cable TV crew is taping the hearings and showing the tapes at local libraries. The Selectmen had earlier cut a $65K annual subsidy to the local cable TV crew even though this contravined a mandate from the Annual Town Meeting. [The Annual Town Meeting is a meeting of all the town's voters - the legislative body of the Town]. 345 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Feb 6, 2002 9:28pm Subject: Re: Cable Competitors Videotape Police Chief's Hearing hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dave P - I figure that story will tickle your fancy on many levels :-) I suppose it might be a little more interesting if guerilla journalists from the local cable TV crew caught the Police Chief trying to install digital radios in the police cars at midnight under a full moon - but that ain't what happened - apparently - reportedly. -------------------- I am not sure if their new radio system uses encryption or digital gear - I am not even sure if they are actually using it yet. I do see them licensed for a new police channel on 159.09 in 1998 - and on 858.7625 in 1999. Peter S 346 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 4:27pm Subject: IS THIS LOW VHF/VHF/UHF OR 800MHZ?? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email When police officers hit the streets in Solvay, they don't count on the portable radios that hang on their belts.The radios often fail, leaving officers unable to communicate with dispatchers at the Onondaga County 911 center. http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf?/newsstories/20020208_rncrime.html 347 From: "John Linko" Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 2:12am Subject: Utah censorship pressure, an exercise in futility fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email Rocky Mountain Monitoring group in the Salt Lake area has once again been forced to take their frequency links down: http://www.rmra.org/scan/ucan.htm Two links for UCAN (Utah State 800 system) links that were valid as of 1900 Mountain Time tonight: http://google.com/search?q=cache:muPC1T7J3k8C:www.rmra.org/ucan.htm+ucan.htm&hl=\ en http://www.trunkedradio.net/cgi-bin/display.pl?sid=601 John MNN-009 N3RTS Grand Junction CO _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com 348 From: public@... Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 2:25am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! CENSORSHIP BY PRESSURE: A law abiding ham group considers itself forced to remove public frequencies from its website during the Olympic visit. Acts of hostile closure against scannists is far more common than it is against hams, many of which are in fact law enforcement members themselves. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.rmra.org/scan/ucan.htm Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 349 From: public@... Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 2:37am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the National Index of Open Examples: TEST PD FD TEST http://www.test.com THIS IS JUST A TEST. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 350 From: public@... Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 4:29am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Naples Police Department :FL :Law Enforcement :Naples and Collier County :Web Audio :http://www.naplesnews.com/special/crime/crime.html :Actually, this is an online scanner broadcasting both Naples and Collier County scanner traffic. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 351 From: public@... Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 6:01am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! CITIZENS RELY ON OPEN BROADCASTING FOR SECURITY: After a rash of burglaries, citizens in this small community are glad their local police haven't abandon the provision of open broadcasting. In communities not so fortunate, police close community access to their broadcasts dramatically decreasing public safety. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2002/02/04/local.20020204-sbt-MARS-A1-No\ rthwest.sto Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 352 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 8:53am Subject: Re: Utah censorship pressure, an exercise in futility nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >Rocky Mountain Monitoring group in the Salt Lake area has once again been >forced to take their frequency links down: I have my doubts about their claims of having been "forced" to do anything. I sent them an email with a three-word suggestion about how to do some good instead of posting bitchy web pages - "File a lawsuit." David T. Stark M.A. Criminal Justice Adjunct Lecturer in Sociology, The College of Saint Rose NF2G, KYR-7128, KNY2DJ Director, New York Statewide Incident Notification Group Albany County RACES Red Cross North East New York DAT Trainer Skywarn Spotter N6-001-390 Resume/CV available at http://nf2g.com/bio.html 353 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 11:49am Subject: PA 800 MHZ SYSTEM UPDATE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This DOES NOT include the cost of the radios which would be about 25 million just for the state police. The orginial cost was 179 million--then there was a 42 million dollars cost over run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- Gov. Schweiker's budget proposal includes an additional $11.2 million to deploy and transition state agencies to an advanced, statewide public-safety radio network linking mobile state employees and improving readiness and coordination for emergency responders. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104& STORY=/www/story/02-05-2002/0001662755&EDATE= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 354 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 0:06pm Subject: ANOTHER 800 mhz nightmare brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Pacific Area patrolmen are expressing concerns about the quality of the radio communications system the City of Los Angeles spent $21 million installing into patrol cars last year. The Motorola communications system, which officers call the "Astro," was converted last year from an analog system to a digital system. http://www.argonautnewspaper.com/display/inn_news/Area/1a.txt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 355 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 7:57pm Subject: RE: Utah censorship pressure, an exercise in futility dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following (now posted at the same link) seems to be their response on the suggestion of legal pursuit. By the way, regarding this thorny issue, I wonder why better encryption technology wouldn't be used to thwart the militants in the first place. Scanners could be invaluable mass notification outlets to those who choose to carry them - but the operations to actually check, protect against or intercept militants could certainly be carried out on encrypted channels. Here is what they posted: ... "Many people have whined and written emails to us stating that we should sue, or put the entire updated list back on the website against Homeland Security and UCAN's wishes and see what will happen. The RMRA is not in a position to accept that legal responsibility. If those concerned want to provide all the potential legal fee's and attorney's on our behalf, we'll be happy to place the entire list back up, including all the new Olympic Venue Talk Groups. So far, none of those concerned have come forward with any true help, but they have offered severe criticism." ... The part about being investigated and watched made me laugh. Try doing this for 6 years and really see how fast your sense of privacy evaporates! LOL ;) Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: David T. Stark [mailto:dave@...] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 3:53 AM To: Openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Openness] Utah censorship pressure, an exercise in futility >Rocky Mountain Monitoring group in the Salt Lake area has once again >been >forced to take their frequency links down: I have my doubts about their claims of having been "forced" to do anything. I sent them an email with a three-word suggestion about how to do some good instead of posting bitchy web pages - "File a lawsuit." David T. Stark M.A. Criminal Justice Adjunct Lecturer in Sociology, The College of Saint Rose NF2G, KYR-7128, KNY2DJ Director, New York Statewide Incident Notification Group Albany County RACES Red Cross North East New York DAT Trainer Skywarn Spotter N6-001-390 Resume/CV available at http://nf2g.com/bio.html To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 356 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 8:34pm Subject: Polk County Sheriff Back ... ? dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I noticed a couple of interesting things about the Polk County Sheriff's Office here in Florida last night. As many of you could tell I was working on the new database conversion of Openness.org information, re-visiting many points of interest in the process. One thing I noticed was that the Polk County Sheriff had restored some of its web databases. In particular, its jail and/or warrant lookup information which includes the following gratitude at the top of the inquiry page: "Due to your overwhelming responses, we have decided to bring the Jail Information back. Thank you for your support." More interesting, however, is that the online calls for service system has been restored! Though not advertised at the site, the live calls for service once again can be reviewed at: http://polksheriff.org/cgi-bin/calls The web audio portion which was very popular from what I figure, has not been restored. I'm not sure what all of this means - Polk County is see-sawing about what to do, with its most recent actions favoring openness. Let's hope they keep everything as it is now! Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 357 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 1:23am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Tampa Fire Department :FL :Fire Rescue Medical :Tampa Metropolition Area :Teletype :http://www.tampagov.net/appl_fire_calls_for_service/ :Active Tampa Fire Department service calls. Has a 15 minute delay. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 358 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 1:28am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Florida Highway Patrol :FL :Law Enforcement :Florida Highways and Rural Areas :Teletype :http://www.fhp.state.fl.us/traffic/crs_h501.htm :Troop C active calls for service. Includes detailed remarks which should help assist where approrpiate. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 359 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 1:40am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Florida Highway Patrol :FL :Law Enforcement :Florida Highways and Rural Areas :Teletype :http://www.fhp.state.fl.us/traffic/index.html :Gateway to all active calls for service reported by the Florida Highway Patrol. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 360 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 3:42am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :20th Judicial Circuit Court of Florida :FL :Other :Lee County :Database :https://cjis.cjis20.org/default.asp :Gateway to arrest records in Lee County Florida and surrounding area. Follow instructions for logging in. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 361 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 5:54am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Anchorage Police Department :AK :Law Enforcement :Anchorage Metropoliton Area :Database :http://www.muni.org/services/departments/apd911/apd/index.ami :Check for stolen vehicles based on license tag. It's the "hotsheet" database for Anchorage. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 362 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 5:57am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Alaska Department of Public Safety :AK :Law Enforcement :Alaska State :Database :http://www.dps.state.ak.us/nSorcr/asp/ :Search Alaska's database of sex offenders. Note that system was offline at point of entry to reconfigure for court ordered adjustments. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 363 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:00am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Anchorage Police Department :AK :Law Enforcement :Anchorage Metropoliton Area :Database :http://www.muni.org/apd2/escape.cfm :Daily output of escapees from Anchorage penal systems. Makes specific references to halfway houses which may be common there. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 364 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:12am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :California Department of Transportation :CA :Transportation :California Highways :Web Video :http://video.dot.ca.gov/la.htm :Listing of live webcams used to monitor traffic flow on California highways. Streaming video using Real Player. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 365 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:32am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Redono Beach Police Department :CA :Law Enforcement :Redono Beach Area :Database :http://www.redondo.org/police/Crime/crime.html :Well maintained statistical crime map. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 366 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:36am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Los Angeles Sheriff Department :CA :Law Enforcement :Los Angeles Regional Area :Database :http://pajis.lasd.org/ajis_search.cfm :Database of current Los Angeles Sheriff jail inmates. Includes inmate status as well as court case status of each charge. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 367 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:49am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Oxnard Police Department :CA :Law Enforcement :Oxnard Metropoliton Area :Database :http://www.oxnardpd.org/nw/ :The "Public On Line Index of Crimes & Events" (POLICE) information system. Excellent retrospect output of calls for service based on variety of fields. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 368 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:59am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Menlo Park Police Department :CA :Law Enforcement :Menlo Park Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.geocities.com/mppdlog/ :Quality police log updated daily. Uses a Geocities platform for such a serious and well presented forum. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 369 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:16am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Colorado Department of Transportation :CO :Transportation :Colorado Highways :Live Map :http://www.cotrip.org/ :Gateway to a variety of live information resources reflecting conditions on Colorado highways. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 370 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:37am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Gwinnett Police Department :GA :Law Enforcement :Gwinnett Metropoliton Area :Policy :http://www.citizenspoliceacademy.org/freqs.asp :Output of local trunk radio talkgroups. The agency has a positive open broadcasting attitude. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 371 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:41am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Chicago Police Department :IL :Law Enforcement :Chicago Metropoliton Area :Database :http://12.17.79.4/ :Chicago Police Registered Sex Offender database. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 372 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:48am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Illinoise State Police :IL :Law Enforcement :Illinoise State :Database :http://samnet.isp.state.il.us/ispso2/sex_offenders/index.asp :Searchable Illinoise Sex Offender database. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 373 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:52am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Illinois State Police :IL :Law Enforcement :Illinois State :Live Map :http://samnet.isp.state.il.us/scripts/esrimap.dll?name=ispmap&cmd=Traffic :Traffic crash/fatility statistics via elaborate GIS mapping system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 374 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:53am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Illinois State Police :IL :Law Enforcement :Illinois State :Live Map :http://samnet.isp.state.il.us/scripts/esrimap.dll?name=ispmap&cmd=Crime :Crime statistics via elaborate GIS mapping system. (No data for after 2000!) When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 375 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:57am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Fort Wayne Police Department :IN :Law Enforcement :Fort Wayne Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.fwpd.org/daily/ :Well maintained and professional daily activity logs of police activity. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 376 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:00am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Louisville Southern Trimarc System :IN :Transportation :Louisville Southern Highways :Web Video :http://trimarc.vprlnk.net/frames_incident.html :Gateway to a variety of live reporting tools, including live webcams. The system is called Trimarc. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 377 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:02am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Indiana State Police :IN :Law Enforcement :Indiana Highways :Teletype :http://www.ai.org/dot/construction/detoursc.htm :Live detour information provided by the state police. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 378 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:05am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Iowa State Police :IA :Law Enforcement :Iowa Highways :Live Map :http://www.earthsat.com/iowa/winter.html :Iowa road conditions. This is a live information map, but there is a link to a text-only version. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 379 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:07am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Commonwealth Of Kentucky :KY :Other :Kentucky State :Database :http://kspsor.state.ky.us/ :Searchable sex offender database for Kentucky. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 380 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:08am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Kentucky Transportation Cabinet :KY :Law Enforcement :Kentucky Highways :Teletype :http://www.kytc.state.ky.us/roadcond/roadcond.htm :Road conditions in tickler-file format. Plain, but consistently updated. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 381 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:13am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Lexington-Fayette Urban County Governmen :KY :Transportation :Lexington and Central Kentucky Area :Teletype :http://www.lfucg.com/trafficinfo/ :Gateway to a number of live resources reflecting highway traffic in Lexington and surrounding areas. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 382 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:24am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office :LA :Law Enforcement :Jefferson Parish :Live Map :http://www.jpso.com/mo_ims/jpso_web/zipcode_start.htm :Complex statistical crime map information. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 383 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:27am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Louisiana State Police :LA :Law Enforcement :Louisiana State :Database :http://www.lasocpr.lsp.org/Static/Search.htm :Louisiana sexual offender database search. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 384 From: public@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:33am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Portland Maine Police Department :ME :Law Enforcement :http://www.ci.portland.me.us/police/freq :Policy :http://www.ci.portland.me.us/police/freq.htm :Police department posted scanner frequencies online - an exhibit of a positive open broadcasting attitude. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 385 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:10am Subject: Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I've attached some messages concerning Fairfax County...This could be of interest to those on the list------------- Bob Reynolds > [Original Message] > From: David Hughes > To: Scan-DC@... > Date: 2/7/02 8:51:28 AM > Subject: RE: [Scan-DC] Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) > > Ler's see now ..... we spent how many millions of dollars on this system? > The public service agencies are requiring the media to buy Motorola radios > to hear their frequencies and requiring the media and their employees such > as photogms, to undergo background checks, etc. to receive permission to > listen to these broadcasts? > > I have been a journalist for over 30 years and nefer have I seen such > high-handed attitudes by public servants. > > Of course, this IS Fairfax County. land of the taxed and taxed again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Henney [mailto:alan@...] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:39 AM > To: Scan-DC@... > Subject: [Scan-DC] Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) > > > This is from Fairfax County PD public information officer Warren R. > Carmichael. Since this is only a draft, Mr. Carmichael welcomes feedback. > Please pass it along to me and I'll make certain he receives it, or post it > directly to the list, since Mr. Carmichael reads this list. > > > > FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT > FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT > > PUBLIC SAFETY TRUNKED DIGITAL RADIO MONITORING FACT SHEET > > > > Fairfax County public safety agencies are now utilizing a 20-channel, > trunked digital 800 megahertz radio system for all transmissions. This > system is also being utilized by the police departments of the City of > Fairfax and the Towns of Herndon and Vienna. > > At present there are no commercially available scanner radios capable of > monitoring these transmissions. They can only be monitored with > vendor-provided radios programmed to receive specific talk groups. > > While the primary police and fire dispatch/operational channels are > currently being simulcast in analog form so they can be monitored by > presently available scanners, such simulcasting cannot be continued > indefinitely since the four police 800 range channels involved will be > needed to accommodate the increasing volume of traffic on the trunked > system. > > It has been determined that it is in the operational interest of the public > safety agencies for news media and interested citizens, such as Neighborhood > Watch participants, to be able to monitor the transmissions on certain > police and fire talk groups. Consequently, it is appropriate for the > agencies to facilitate monitoring access until such time as commercially > available scanners are on the market. > > Such facilitation shall be accomplished as follows: > > Media organizations or citizens will be responsible for procuring their own > Motorola or Motorola system-compatible receivers from commercial dealers. > > Monitoring access must be requested from the public safety agencies. It > shall be the option of the agencies whether to conduct any type of > investigation or background check upon individual or organizational > applicants. > > Applicants must sign a Memorandum of Understanding and Agreement which will > also be signed by the Chief of Police and the Chief of the Fire and Rescue > Department. The agreement will specify the talk groups which will be > programmed and the conditions of use of the receiving radios. > > The completed agreement will serve as authorization for a vendor possessing > the County system technical information and system key to program the > applicant's radio to receive the specified talk groups. > > Individuals or organizations wishing to receive transmissions of the City of > Fairfax Police Department, Herndon Police Department or Vienna Police > Department must execute separate agreements with each of those agencies. > > > FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT > FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT > > MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT REGARDING > ACCESS TO PUBLIC SAFETY 800 MHz TRUNKED DIGITAL SYSTEM > > > > This agreement entered into on this _______ day of ________________, _______ > by and between the Fairfax County Police Department and the Fairfax County > Fire and Rescue Department ("agencies") and > _______________________________________ located at > _________________________________________ ("permittee") shall serve as a > memorandum of understanding between the permittee and the agencies of the > conditions governing the permittee's monitoring of certain talk groups on > the Fairfax County 800 megahertz public safety trunked digital radio system > "system"). The parties agree as follows: > > 1. The permittee certifies that monitoring of the system will be solely for > lawful purposes. > > 2. The permittee is responsible for procuring the required Motorola or > Motorola system-compatible radio(s). All receiving radios must meet > specifications defined by the County radio system manager. The permittee is > responsible for all costs associated with the procurement and maintenance of > the receiving radio(s). > > 3. The permittee shall take this agreement, which shall serve as an official > authorization, to one of the designated service vendors who possess system > technical information and system keys, to have the permittee's radio(s) > programmed for the talk groups specified herein. The permittee shall be > responsible for all costs associated with said programming. > > 4. The service vendor shall ensure that the transmitting function of the > radio is disabled, and the permittee agrees that the transmitting function > will not be enabled at any time. > > 5. The permittee agrees to listen only to the talk groups specified in this > agreement. > > 6. The permittee and the agencies agree that the permittee's radio shall be > programmed to receive the following talk groups: > > Police: Dispatch Groups one through nine. > Fire and Rescue: Groups 4A through 4E. > > 7. The permittee agrees that the agencies may conduct a background > investigation of the permittee at their discretion. > > 8. The permittee agrees not to use the receiving equipment on the system > prior to obtaining an identification code from the County radio system > manager. > > 9. The permittee shall always use only the assigned identification code. > > 10. The permittee shall immediately report to the agencies the loss, theft > or damage of any receiving equipment. > > 11. The permittee agrees to make the receiving equipment available upon > request by the County radio system manager or designee. > > 12. The agencies reserve the right to suspend or terminate some or all of > the permittee's listening privileges whenever the agencies determine, at > their sole and absolute discretion, the permittee has violated the terms of > this agreement and memorandum of understanding. > > 13. To the fullest extent permitted by law, the permittee shall be and > remain liable to the agencies, and shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless > the agencies and their officers, agents, employees and legal representatives > ("indemnified parties") from all losses, damage, expenses, suits, claims, > demands, fines, penalties, awards liabilities and costs, including > reasonable attorneys' fees ("liability"), to the extent that the liability, > or the underlying harm causing the liability, is attributable to, arises out > of, or is in any way related to permittee's use of the rights and privileges > granted in the agreement and/or to the permittee's accessing the system, to > permittee's breach of or failure to observe or perform the terms, conditions > and restrictions of this agreement. The permittee shall (1) defend the > indemnified parties at the permittee's own expense; (2) pay on behalf of the > indemnified parties all fines, penalties, judgments and other sums related > to any liability; and (3) otherwise satisfy and cause to be discharged any > judgments that may obtain against the indemnified parties regarding any > liability. > The permittee hereby knowingly and voluntarily waives and releases the > agencies, their officers, agents, employees and legal representatives from > all claims, suits and causes of action which relate directly or indirectly > to the subject matter of this agreement, including those relating to > personal injury, to personal property, and to real property. > > 14. If the permittee is an organization, permittee affirms that the person > signing on behalf of the permittee has been duly authorized to do so, and > this agreement is legally binding on, and enforceable against the permittee > (and its governing body, if applicable) in accordance with its terms, > without the need for any further action by the permittee. > > 15. This agreement becomes effective on the date first written above, and > shall remain in effect until terminated by the agencies or the permittee. > The agencies can terminate this agreement immediately after notification to > the permittee that the permittee is operating in violation of local, state > or federal regulation or law or the terms of this agreement, if the > permittee does not immediately stop operating in such manner. When this > agreement is terminated, the permittee shall return all receiving equipment > to the County radio system manager or designee for de-programming and system > access shall cease. > > 16. Provision 13 shall survive the termination of this agreement. > > 17. This agreement is subject to the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, > subsequent acts, treaties and all regulations heretofore or hereafter made > by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), and, further, subject to the > conditions and requirements set forth in the authorization from the FCC to > Fairfax County for use of the system. Permittee agrees not to do anything > whether permitted by the other terms of this agreement or not, to cause > Fairfax County and the agencies to be in violation of the terms of their > Private Land Mobile and General Mobile Radio Services Licenses. All FCC > regulations and proper radio protocol shall be adhered to at all times by > the permittee. This agreement is also subject to, and to be construed in > accordance with the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia. > > > IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereti have caused this agreement to be > executed by their duly authorized representatives. > > > Permittee Date > > By:____________________________________________________________________ > Name Title > > > FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT > > By:____________________________________________________________________ > Chief of Police Date > > FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT > > By:____________________________________________________________________ > Fire Chief Date > > > _______________________________________________ > Scan-DC mailing list > Scan-DC@... > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/scan-dc > _______________________________________________ > Scan-DC mailing list > Scan-DC@... > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/scan-dc --- William Harding --- ka3qpq@... --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 386 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:21pm Subject: RE: Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Now, see, though an argument can be made that scanning isn't as 'free' as it was in the analog days, graphically illustrated here no less by the requirements, signatures, and background checks they might run, this IS a good Openness example. At least Fairfax is: A) Acknowledging that scannists and indeed the functional value of scannists exists and should be addressed, preserved, and dealt with. B) Clearly documenting the steps, rules, and expectations required to obtain and keep a radio capable of monitoring them (however appalling against the backdrop of freer days those rules may be), and C) Not distinguishing between media and public interests, which are one and the same (WHO is the media?). No, the Fairfax attitude is an above-board straight from the hip approach that should be exemplified everywhere. In the end, in Fairfax County, if you are a scannist wanting to keep an ear on public safety at work, you can. One can argue over the fine points, but let's just be glad they've come up with what they have so far in their draft for now Consider it from my point of view or the perspective of those who have it worse. When Hillsborough County first moved into its temporary state of closure in 1996 it was all they could do to run from open disclosure about any formal process to obtain a precious EDACS radio or how to get it programmed if you did. The public was being told, in general, no one would be able to monitor them. In fact, if you called HCSO, you might even be told that you and your curiosity were the very reason the EDACS radio system was being implemented in the first place. Could you get a radio in Hillsborough County and have it programmed? Sure, the acknowledged press was, as were a variety of the 'right' people as determined on the fly by Hillsborough County - somehow (place Twilight zone music here). To this very day, unfortunately, you still can't find any information on the Hillsborough County or HCSO websites that squarely addresses the process by which any citizen may obtain and have an EDACS radio programmed. I sense, perhaps through a tunnel projection of my own cynicism (but probably not), that Hillsborough County wishes this issue would just dry up. The introduction of the Trunktracker for EDACS put the issue on hold, but there is rumor among local lists that they are itchy to blanket digitize. The 'information leak' approach by which these rumors surface demonstrates that their attitude may not be much better these years later. The problem, to HCSO, is guys like me bitching about it. NOT that they will plunge this community into closure, make backroom deals with select media reps over access, or just gosh darn take public tax dollars and avoid public debate about the entire philosophical question. I would bet an eye there have been more phone calls, more hallway conversations, more faxes, more e-mails, and more database entries about David Pinero at HCSO, than there have been about establishing and publishing the formal policy solution that Fairfax County is undertaking, which David Pinero promotes. And that's the problem here: Managing the critic rather than the issue, or worse, simply ignoring both. Fairfax County, by comparison, is Open Broadcasting Nirvana - assuming this draft becomes policy. They are right up there with Seattle and its published open access policy. This is a good thing and we have to applaud accordingly. My only concern would be how oiled the policy stays. If they draft it, make it policy, advertise it, and no one takes advantage of it, over the years it will be dominated by the subconscious closed will to eliminate the privilege and retract it. I would hope that those scannists and hams in Fairfax keep a heartbeat on the thing every single year it exists. If every single city, county, and state with a closed radio network drafted and posted such a policy in the next 10 years, Openness.org and the Open Broadcasting campaign would have TRULY won its cause and America's future unquestionably altered for the better. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com -----Original Message----- From: worksntv@... [mailto:worksntv@...] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:11 AM To: n2mca@... Subject: [Openness] Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) I've attached some messages concerning Fairfax County...This could be of interest to those on the list------------- Bob Reynolds > [Original Message] > From: David Hughes > To: Scan-DC@... > Date: 2/7/02 8:51:28 AM > Subject: RE: [Scan-DC] Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) > > Ler's see now ..... we spent how many millions of dollars on this > system? The public service agencies are requiring the media to buy > Motorola radios to hear their frequencies and requiring the media and > their employees such as photogms, to undergo background checks, etc. > to receive permission to listen to these broadcasts? > > I have been a journalist for over 30 years and nefer have I seen such > high-handed attitudes by public servants. > > Of course, this IS Fairfax County. land of the taxed and taxed again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Henney [mailto:alan@...] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:39 AM > To: Scan-DC@... > Subject: [Scan-DC] Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) > > > This is from Fairfax County PD public information officer Warren R. > Carmichael. Since this is only a draft, Mr. Carmichael welcomes > feedback. Please pass it along to me and I'll make certain he receives > it, or post it > directly to the list, since Mr. Carmichael reads this list. > > > > FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT > FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT > > PUBLIC SAFETY TRUNKED DIGITAL RADIO MONITORING FACT SHEET > > > > Fairfax County public safety agencies are now utilizing a 20-channel, > trunked digital 800 megahertz radio system for all transmissions. This > system is also being utilized by the police departments of the City of > Fairfax and the Towns of Herndon and Vienna. > > At present there are no commercially available scanner radios capable > of monitoring these transmissions. They can only be monitored with > vendor-provided radios programmed to receive specific talk groups. > > While the primary police and fire dispatch/operational channels are > currently being simulcast in analog form so they can be monitored by > presently available scanners, such simulcasting cannot be continued > indefinitely since the four police 800 range channels involved will be > needed to accommodate the increasing volume of traffic on the trunked > system. > > It has been determined that it is in the operational interest of the public > safety agencies for news media and interested citizens, such as Neighborhood > Watch participants, to be able to monitor the transmissions on certain > police and fire talk groups. Consequently, it is appropriate for the > agencies to facilitate monitoring access until such time as > commercially available scanners are on the market. > > Such facilitation shall be accomplished as follows: > > Media organizations or citizens will be responsible for procuring > their own > Motorola or Motorola system-compatible receivers from commercial > dealers. > > Monitoring access must be requested from the public safety agencies. > It shall be the option of the agencies whether to conduct any type of > investigation or background check upon individual or organizational > applicants. > > Applicants must sign a Memorandum of Understanding and Agreement which will > also be signed by the Chief of Police and the Chief of the Fire and > Rescue Department. The agreement will specify the talk groups which > will be programmed and the conditions of use of the receiving radios. > > The completed agreement will serve as authorization for a vendor possessing > the County system technical information and system key to program the > applicant's radio to receive the specified talk groups. > > Individuals or organizations wishing to receive transmissions of the > City of > Fairfax Police Department, Herndon Police Department or Vienna Police > Department must execute separate agreements with each of those > agencies. > > > FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT > FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT > > MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT REGARDING > ACCESS TO PUBLIC SAFETY 800 MHz TRUNKED DIGITAL SYSTEM > > > > This agreement entered into on this _______ day of ________________, _______ > by and between the Fairfax County Police Department and the Fairfax > County Fire and Rescue Department ("agencies") and > _______________________________________ located at > _________________________________________ ("permittee") shall serve as > a memorandum of understanding between the permittee and the agencies > of the conditions governing the permittee's monitoring of certain > talk groups on the Fairfax County 800 megahertz public safety trunked > digital radio system > "system"). The parties agree as follows: > > 1. The permittee certifies that monitoring of the system will be > solely for > lawful purposes. > > 2. The permittee is responsible for procuring the required Motorola or > Motorola system-compatible radio(s). All receiving radios must meet > specifications defined by the County radio system manager. The > permittee is > responsible for all costs associated with the procurement and > maintenance of > the receiving radio(s). > > 3. The permittee shall take this agreement, which shall serve as an official > authorization, to one of the designated service vendors who possess > system technical information and system keys, to have the permittee's > radio(s) programmed for the talk groups specified herein. The > permittee shall be responsible for all costs associated with said > programming. > > 4. The service vendor shall ensure that the transmitting function of > the radio is disabled, and the permittee agrees that the transmitting > function will not be enabled at any time. > > 5. The permittee agrees to listen only to the talk groups specified in this > agreement. > > 6. The permittee and the agencies agree that the permittee's radio > shall be > programmed to receive the following talk groups: > > Police: Dispatch Groups one through nine. > Fire and Rescue: Groups 4A through 4E. > > 7. The permittee agrees that the agencies may conduct a background > investigation of the permittee at their discretion. > > 8. The permittee agrees not to use the receiving equipment on the > system prior to obtaining an identification code from the County radio > system manager. > > 9. The permittee shall always use only the assigned identification > code. > > 10. The permittee shall immediately report to the agencies the loss, > theft or damage of any receiving equipment. > > 11. The permittee agrees to make the receiving equipment available > upon request by the County radio system manager or designee. > > 12. The agencies reserve the right to suspend or terminate some or all > of the permittee's listening privileges whenever the agencies > determine, at their sole and absolute discretion, the permittee has > violated the terms of > this agreement and memorandum of understanding. > > 13. To the fullest extent permitted by law, the permittee shall be and > remain liable to the agencies, and shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless > the agencies and their officers, agents, employees and legal representatives > ("indemnified parties") from all losses, damage, expenses, suits, > claims, demands, fines, penalties, awards liabilities and costs, > including reasonable attorneys' fees ("liability"), to the extent that > the liability, > or the underlying harm causing the liability, is attributable to, > arises out > of, or is in any way related to permittee's use of the rights and privileges > granted in the agreement and/or to the permittee's accessing the > system, to > permittee's breach of or failure to observe or perform the terms, conditions > and restrictions of this agreement. The permittee shall (1) defend the > indemnified parties at the permittee's own expense; (2) pay on behalf > of the > indemnified parties all fines, penalties, judgments and other sums > related to any liability; and (3) otherwise satisfy and cause to be > discharged any judgments that may obtain against the indemnified > parties regarding any liability. The permittee hereby knowingly and > voluntarily waives and releases the agencies, their officers, agents, > employees and legal representatives from all claims, suits and causes > of action which relate directly or indirectly to the subject matter of > this agreement, including those relating to personal injury, to > personal property, and to real property. > > 14. If the permittee is an organization, permittee affirms that the > person signing on behalf of the permittee has been duly authorized to > do so, and this agreement is legally binding on, and enforceable > against the permittee > (and its governing body, if applicable) in accordance with its terms, > without the need for any further action by the permittee. > > 15. This agreement becomes effective on the date first written above, > and shall remain in effect until terminated by the agencies or the > permittee. The agencies can terminate this agreement immediately after > notification to > the permittee that the permittee is operating in violation of local, > state or federal regulation or law or the terms of this agreement, if > the permittee does not immediately stop operating in such manner. When > this agreement is terminated, the permittee shall return all receiving equipment > to the County radio system manager or designee for de-programming and system > access shall cease. > > 16. Provision 13 shall survive the termination of this agreement. > > 17. This agreement is subject to the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, > subsequent acts, treaties and all regulations heretofore or hereafter > made by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), and, further, > subject to the > conditions and requirements set forth in the authorization from the > FCC to Fairfax County for use of the system. Permittee agrees not to > do anything whether permitted by the other terms of this agreement or > not, to cause Fairfax County and the agencies to be in violation of > the terms of their Private Land Mobile and General Mobile Radio > Services Licenses. All FCC regulations and proper radio protocol shall > be adhered to at all times by the permittee. This agreement is also > subject to, and to be construed in accordance with the laws of the > Commonwealth of Virginia. > > > IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereti have caused this agreement to > be executed by their duly authorized representatives. > > > Permittee Date > > >By:____________________________________________________________________ > Name Title > > > FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT > > >By:____________________________________________________________________ > Chief of Police Date > > FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT > > >By:____________________________________________________________________ > Fire Chief Date > > > _______________________________________________ > Scan-DC mailing list > Scan-DC@... > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/scan-dc > _______________________________________________ > Scan-DC mailing list > Scan-DC@... > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/scan-dc --- William Harding --- ka3qpq@... --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 387 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:06am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! UNFINISHED BUSINESS: INTERACTIVE POLICING: Here's a web page from the Grand Rapids Police Department that shows starking appreciation for the internet and its use in reaching out to the city residents directly. Note the posted quote: "Conventional Media plays an important part in our dealing with the public, and we value our interaction with them. However, to not communicate directly with the public when this method of communication is available would reflect very poorly upon us as an organization." The site portends that it will offer online information such as stolen vehicle information and current activity information - all the things Openness.org loves. The question here is, what happened? All the links are dead. Let's hope they still have a wise webmaster there working on it. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.grpolice.grand-rapids.mi.us/interactive.htm Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 388 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:15am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Minnesota Department of Corrections :MN :Law Enforcement :State of Minnesota Penal System :Database :http://info.doc.state.mn.us/publicviewer/main.asp :Minnesota database of sexual offenders. Like some other states, they bank entries by 'level' of offender. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 389 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:20am Subject: For those of you following along. dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email For those of you following along with my obvious rush of database updates (I'll detail what's up when I'm finished), the LAST one I sent out was an errant URL. While it does point to a Minnesota offender database, that particular one is not SEXUAL offenders as I reported. It's a general offender database that Openness.org had already cataloged no less. The actual sex offender database is located at: http://www.corr.state.mn.us/level3/level3.asp Openness.org has been updated appropriately. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN Instant Messenger Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 390 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:33am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Truman State University of Public Safety :MS :Law Enforcement :Truman State University :Teletype :http://police.truman.edu/Web/police/Dailylog.html :Output of daily criminal activity in teletype format. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 391 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:40am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Springfield Police Department :MO :Law Enforcement :Springfield Metropoliton Area :Live Map :http://maps.ci.springfield.mo.us/website/crimeseen_021/default.htm :This is Springfield's "Crime Seen" GIS criminal mapping system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 392 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:20am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Lodi Police Department :NJ :Law Enforcement :Lodi Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.lodipd.org/alerts.htm :Actually, this is a link to their e-mail alert system. Sign up and receive police alerts in Lodi via e-mail. A WAY underimplemented idea nearly every place else. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 393 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:22am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Hobbs Police Department :NM :Law Enforcement :Hobbs Metropoliton Area :Live Map :http://www.hobbsnmpolicedept.com/analysis.html :Regularly updated crime maps. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 394 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:29am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :New York City Police Department :NY :Law Enforcement :New York Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/pct/cspdf.html :Output of weekly CompStat reports. Details crime activity in New York City. The system is credited with a role in astonishing crime drops over the last decade. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 395 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:33am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :North Carolina Department of Transportat :NC :Transportation :North Carolina Highways :Directory :http://www.ncsmartlink.org/ :The North Carolina Smartlink System. Includes links to teletype outputs and webcam systems watching North Carolina traffic flow. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 396 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:38am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Toledo Police Department :OH :Law Enforcement :Toledo Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.toledopolice.com/districtmaps.html :Up-to-date PDF crime statistics by district. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 397 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:41am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Franklin County Sheriff Department :OH :Law Enforcement :Frankline County :Database :http://www.sheriff.franklin.oh.us/Registry/database.asp :Sexual offender database for Franklin County, Ohio. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 398 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:44am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Summit County Clerk of Courts :OH :Other :Summit County Courts :Database :http://www.cpclerk.co.summit.oh.us/Disclaimer.asp?toPage=SelectDivision.asp :Search Summit County Court records. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 399 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:46am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Summit County Sheriff Office :OH :Law Enforcement :Summit County :Database :http://www.co.summit.oh.us/sheriff/sexoffenderdisclaimer.htm :Output of sexual offenders in Summit County, Ohio. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 400 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:50am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Stark County Sheriff Office :OH :Law Enforcement :Stark County :Database :http://www.sheriff.co.stark.oh.us/pr01.htm :Output of Stark County registered sexual offenders. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 401 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:54am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Haskins Police Department :OH :Law Enforcement :Haskins Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.haskinspolice.org/ :This is the main web page, but in the sidebar you can sign up for their 'e-alert' system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 402 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:57am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Hamilton Police Department :OH :Law Enforcement :Hamilton Metropoliton Area :Policy :http://www.hamilton-city.org/police/main%20page/codes.htm :Information page for scannists. Several police departments, small town departments in particular, rellish the police scanner as valuable public safety tools. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 403 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:03am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Brooksfield Police Department :OH :Law Enforcement :Brooksfield Metropoliton Area :Web Audio :http://www.brookfieldpd.org/scanners.html :Live scanner feed of the Brooksfield police department. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 404 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:06am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Mahoning County Sheriff Office :OH :Law Enforcement :Mahoning County :Teletype :http://co.mahoning.oh.us/sheriff/offend.htm :Listing of registered sex offenders living in Mahoning County. Not a database, just output. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 405 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:09am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Butler County Sheriff Office :OH :Law Enforcement :Butler County :Teletype :http://www.butlersheriff.org/so-list.htm :Output listing of Butler County sexual offenders. Not a database, just an output page. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 406 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:11am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Moore Police Department :OK :Law Enforcement :Moore Metropoliton Area :Policy :http://www.ci.moore.ok.us/police/comms.htm :Informational blurb on how to monitor the Moore Police Department at work. Several police departments, particularly among the smaller ones, value open broadcasting and scannists within the community. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 407 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:22am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Beaumont Police Department :TX :Law Enforcement :Beaumont Metropoliton Area :Web Audio :http://www.ih2000.net/bpd/scanner.htm :Listen to Beaumont Police scanner feed. Scanner was not available at time of Openness.org data entry. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 408 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:24am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Murphy Police Department :TX :Law Enforcement :Murphy Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.murphytx.org/Call_blotter.htm :Regularly updated weekly police blotter. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 409 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:27am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Virginia State Police :VT :Law Enforcement :Virgina State Roads and Rural Areas :Database :http://sex-offender.vsp.state.va.us/cool-ICE/ :Sex offender database for offenders registered in Virgina. Because, Virgina, sometime Santa ain't a very nice person. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 410 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:31am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :University of Virgina Police Department :VA :Law Enforcement :University of Virginia :Teletype :http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/dpr.html :Searchable index of daily police blotter. Pull up by month and year. Is kept up. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 411 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:33am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Newport Police Department :VA :Law Enforcement :Newport Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.newport-news.va.us/police/rptoffense.htm :Daily police blotter. Kept up and referencable by day of the week. It looks like they mix in the years -- but that can't be. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 412 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:34am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Newport Police Department :VA :Law Enforcement :Newport Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.newport-news.va.us/police/warrants.htm :Active warrant lookup. This is an data output page of active warrants. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 413 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:36am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Leesburg Virginia :VT :Law Enforcement :Leesburg Metropoliton Area :Teletype :http://www.leesburgva.org/police/weekly_report.cfm :Active police blotter report of weekly police activity. Well maintained and up-to-date. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 414 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:44am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Washington DC Police Department :DC :Law Enforcement :Washington DC Metropoliton Area :Database :http://mpdc.dc.gov/serv/sor/sexoffender.shtm :Sex offender database for Washington DC. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 415 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 1:13pm Subject: LOCKING OUT THE "BOSS" brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is from another list but this former police officer has some interesting comments concerning radio comms of police/fire/ems etc! Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------- Citizens, this is what happens when (some) PARANOID public service personnel (Police, Fire and EMS) and government officials, both elected and non-elected feel a perceived need to keep their actions secret from their boses, the general public, so that they may escape the well needed scrutiny of the very people that they are bound to serve and protect. I defy any of these agencies to provide any direct evidence that monitoring these agencies for time immemorial has resulted in just "ONE" injury to to the Police, Fire or EMT/Paramedic person OR aided or abetted the escape of a criminal from detection. How would the world have ever survived till now without using the tactics these government employes now desire?? These folks are from the "Seige Mentality Bunch" who just do not want to be scrutinized by those they serve! Having been a Law Enforcement Officer for some years, I know whereof I speak.. I believe that if you want the public's cooperation in using their eyes and ears to prevent crime and/or help direct public service personnel to the incident, you would be better off supplying the citizens with the scanner radios free of charge. If the proposals of the government in question persist, YOU always have the avenue of "RECALL" of the elected officials responsible and ELECT officials who will use their heads for something other than to just hold a hat thereto. The power of the Citizenery is far, far more powerful than all of the Government figures put together. Ever heard of the "REFERENDUM?? Please wake up before we live in more of a Police State than already exists. AND thanks to all of the hard working, SENSIBLE public servants who also know whats going on here. There are cities in the U.S.A. where the police/fire departments actually hand out scanner radios to the citizens so that they may help prevent crime or at least REPORT same the appropriate agency. Only someone with blinders on would suggest that which is taking place to be beneficial rather than just plain idiocy. Respectfully, Jack. (Tconduce@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 416 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 1:15pm Subject: CHESTER CO PA=800 MHZ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The announcement comes after the county's police, fire and ambulance departments experienced a series of technological problems involving clarity, interrupted transmissions, static, periodic regional failure and "dead spots" beginning in 1998 and 1999. Since that time, the county has spent millions of dollars to buy additional equipment and radios, move towers, and provide additional technological improvements to fix the troubled 800-Mhz radio system --purchased from E.F. Johnson for $14 million in the mid-1990s. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3189492&BRD=1671&PAG=461& dept_id=17782&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 417 From: public@... Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 0:43am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Martin County Fire Rescue :FL :Fire Rescue Medical :Martin County Florida :Teletype :http://www.martin.fl.us/GOVT/depts/esd/livecad/ :Online output of active fire/EMS rescue calls. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 418 From: public@... Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 0:44am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Sarasota County Emergency Management :FL :Other :Sarasota County :Teletype :http://www.co.sarasota.fl.us/911cad/default.asp :Gateway to multiple live CAD outputs for police, fire, and rescue. Requires clicking past common disclaimer page. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 419 From: public@... Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 0:47am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Seattle Fire Department :WA :Fire Rescue Medical :Seattle Metropolition Area :Teletype :http://www2.cityofseattle.net/fire/GetDatePubTab.asp :Retroactive data on fire calls for service. Described as "almost live". When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 420 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:35pm Subject: PA RADIO SYSTEM STATUS REPORT brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a lot of discussion/speculation about Pa's 800 mhz digital system. I asked for an update from the press secretary for the Office of Adminstration and here's his reply: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elliott, Scott" To: "'Reynolds, Bob Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 21:43 Subject: answers to two remaining questions... > Bob: > > Here are answers to your two questions. > > 1) You asked for a status report. > > At this time, we are on schedule to begin migrating some agencies to > the new public safety radio network during the second quarter of 2002. > Approximately 125 of the total 250 towers have been constructed. Most > others are well along with their construction. Now that site acquisition is > behind us, we do not anticipate any other serious delays. > > The network will be brought online region-by-region starting in SE > Pennsylvania. Agencies will be migrated onto the network in waves. Please > keep in mind, however, that this schedule will be changed if at any time we > determine a delay is necessary to ensure proper wireless communications for > our state agencies. While staying on schedule is important, our commitment > to public safety is paramount. Having said that, at this time, we don't see > any concerns that should cause a serious delay. > > 2) You asked for an update on scanners. > > As you can imagine, our primary focus has been on the construction > of the radio network. As a result, we have nothing new to report on the > development of scanners for receiving digital transmissions. Given the > urgency imposed by the Sept. 11 events, development of the public safety > radio network needs to remain our top priority. When we get time to > investigate the scanner issue, we will provide you with that information. > > Best regards, > Scott Elliott > > > Scott Elliott > Press Secretary > ________________________________ > > > > Office of Administration > Room 209, Finance Bld. > Harrisburg, PA 17120 > ________________________________ > > > > 421 From: public@... Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 3:16am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Indianapolis City Government :IN :Other :Indianapolis Metropoliton Area :Live Map :http://arcimsnt1.indygov.org/prod/Incident/ :GIS map output of active incidents for Indianapolis City Police and the Marion County Sheriff Office. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 422 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:21pm Subject: CLOSER TO BEING "CLOSED" brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Fauquier officials Tuesday probably will approve debt of $7.2 million for a new emergency radio system. The board of supervisors last month voted, 4-1, to sign a contract with Motorola Inc. for the system. Supporters say the system will solve coverage and interference problems. It also should give emergency personnel better use of limited frequencies and other computer-controlled features. http://www.citizenet.com/archive/021402/government.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 423 From: gottemfounder@... Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 11:31pm Subject: Articles Needed To Assist In The Prevention Of Closing Yet Another System trunktracking Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Fellow Openness Supporters, Our Motorola Type 2 800 Mhz. Analog Smartzone Trunked System here in Orange County (Orlando) Florida is being considered for ASTRO Operation & Encryption in the next year. Our current system was purchased in 1994 for a total cost of 18,525,000.00. Yes, 18 MILLION Dollars for ONE County, ONLY 8 years ago. As a result of September 11th and concern about future terrorist attacks on the U.S., our Sheriff is in favor of closing our county's system. To my knowledge, our County has never experienced a security breach as the result of a scanner enthusiast committing a crime. I feel strongly that I as a county citizen and taxpayer have a right to "Police the Police" and feel that scanner enthusiasts can greatly assist local law enforcement, by acting and an additional set of eyes and ears in our community. Next, lets not forget there is the issue of the "News Media" potentially losing access to monitoring this system. Our Orange County Board Of County Commissioners votes on as PAYS the bills, NOT our Sheriff, so my goal is to educate them as to how they are spending their money. One issue our County is dealing with is the poor operation of our trunked system, the result of interference by NEXTEL communications which is on 800 Mhz. as well. I would like assistance in collecting articles on Motorola 800 Mhz. Public Safety Trunked Systems which have experienced additional operational problems when switching to digital technology. The sad thing about our local community is that our local FHP is on Motorola 800 ASTRO and is switching to EDACS, the result of the State Of Florida running out of funds and being unable to complete our statewide system, thus choosing Ericcson as a lessor to complete our State's system. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Warm Regards, Joe Joe Mattern, Founder Greater Orlando Trunk Tracking Enthusiasts Membership G.O.T.T.E.M. gottemfounder@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 424 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 2:18pm Subject: Re: Articles Needed To Assist In The Prevention Of Closing Yet Another System hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There was a recent post to the livescanneraudio list saying that LAPD is completely reconfiguring their new digital radios. You can listen to Cleveland Ohio's digital TRS online. You might want to ask your question on the NewHampshireScanner list - IIRC their State Police took ?7 years to get their digital radio system to be acceptable. There were recent newspaper articles concerning problems with digital radio systems in Orange County CA + Los Angeles CA PD + ?Honolulu Hawaii PD + Wash DC FD + Cleveland Ohio. Check the archives of alt.radio.scanner or the yahoogroups - sonofrcma or firerad2 or fireradio or socal scan. Also see Scan-DC@... Keep in mind that digital is not the same as encrypted. (I am not sure how that affects these various systems). IIRC Orange Co CA law uses encrypted digital radios - that rest might be just digital. New York City PD just upgraded their radio system - they did not go digital - nor did they go trunked. Alt.emergency.services.dispatcher and the 911console list might be good places to do further research. And do a www.google.com search also. Peter S 425 From: public@... Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:27pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! HISTORICALLY OPEN LAPD GOES SILENT: It's true, there isn't much rapid media about Openness.org when important news gets passed along some 8 months after the fact. I might just as soon not say anything at all about this except that I stumbled across an excellent documentary website on the history of LAPD radio communications. The department, historically, has recognized the value of open broadcasting since the 1930s. However, on June 18, 2001, LAPD became of milestone on the road to closure when it switched to an all digital public safety communications system. The point has all the more impact in the context of LAPD communication history at the website provided here. Digital scanners are a reality on the horizon now, but will future LAPD attitude make that a relevant benefit or not? Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://members.cox.net/marnells/kma367-1.htm? Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 426 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 11:42am Subject: SPACE SHUTTLE SCANNING brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.hq.nasa.gov/osf/miscinfo.html 427 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 11:46am Subject: from dispatch news brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Canton (Ohio) has signed Motorola to a $5.75 million radio and 911 contract that is the first in Ohio under the company's new alliance with Plant Equipment Inc. The system will offer an integrated ASTRO SmartZone analog-digital radio system for communications, with the VESTA software system for telephone call handling. Canton--home of the Pro Football Hall of Fame--is planning to build a new comm center this year that will have six positions, and controlling some 400 XTS 3000 digital radios for the police and fire departments. They'll also continue to use their old analog radios--some of them are over 17 years old! 428 From: public@... Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 6:29pm Subject: State's newspapers condemn efforts to dim Sunshine Law dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This St. Petersburg Times (http://www.sptimes.com) story has been sent to you from public@... Just a little something in my home state today. Knives don't cut the thumb until the wood is whittled away completely (sigh). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------- http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/08/State/State_s_newspapers_co.shtml State's newspapers condemn efforts to dim Sunshine Law By Times staff writer © St. Petersburg Times, published March 8, 2002 TALLAHASSEE -- Florida newspapers are uniting to call attention to a record number of bills state lawmakers are considering to limit the public's access to government records and meetings. TALLAHASSEE -- Florida newspapers are uniting to call attention to a record number of bills state lawmakers are considering to limit the public's access to government records and meetings. At least 25 papers, including the St. Petersburg Times, the Miami Herald and the Orlando Sentinel, plan to run editorials denouncing the bills Sunday, a day being dubbed as Sunshine Sunday to recognize the state's nationally recognized Sunshine Law. "We're deeply concerned," said Pat Yack, president of the Florida Society of Newspaper Editors and editor of the Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville. "We respect the concerns (legislators) have, but we feel like we can address those concerns in very narrow amendments instead of sweeping ones." Some bills being proposed by legislators include withholding Social Security numbers, and withholding information about public utility customers and cell phone and beeper numbers used by police officers. Legislators justify secrecy as the price of fighting terrorism, while others say they are reacting to the growing problem of identity theft. But the newspapers and the First Amendment Foundation see a troubling erosion of Florida's reputation for openness in government. The society of editors designated March 10 as "Sunshine Sunday" because it falls on the Sunday before the birthday of James Madison, an ardent supporter of the First Amendment. "This is an effort, among others, that we are taking to protect First Amendment issues, not only for us but for people," Yack said. "The Sunshine Law was passed to help people." 429 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 0:04pm Subject: from dispatch news brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- Johnson County (Ind.) has formally accepted a $5.3 million, 800 MHz radio system from Motorola and is the first user on the Project Hoosier SAFE-T, statewide radio system. About 900 public safety personnel in Johnson County from 12 fire and 9 law enforcement agencies will use the radio system in analog-digital mode, using 165 mobile and 680 portable radios, and 200 laptop mobile data computers. The comm center features 12 Motorola CENTRACOM Gold Elite consoles. The statewide system is pegged at $82 million, and implementation will now move on to Montgomery County, the Southeastern Consortium (Dearborn, Decatur, Franklin, Jefferson, Ohio, Ripley, and Switzerland counties) and the counties spanning Northern Indiana. -------------------------- A long-running tangle between the FCC, Greco Cousins Concrete Corp., CIBRO Petroleum Corp., the Bergen County Police Dept. and the New York City Police Dept. has been solved--we hope. The short version is that back in 1997 the NYPD reassigned to Bergen County one of its 470 MHz frequency pairs, which happened to be assignable to both public safety and industrial applicants. The APCO frequency coordinator (for public safety) talked to the Industrial Telecommunications Association (ITA) frequency coordinator (for industrial) and both agreed the assignment was acceptable. But then Greco filed petitions claiming the phone conversation that the two coordinators had did not follow the coordination rules...and it gets really complicated after that. The FCC has now ruled the frequencies were properly coordinated and allowed Bergen County to continue using it. End of story. 430 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 0:08pm Subject: from another list brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From the strongsignals.net web site I just found out from Uniden today that both the BC785D and 250D will be priced so dealers will sell them for somewhere in the upper $300 range. The new release date is late October, early November for both units. The digital board will have a model number of BCI25D and should be out at around the same time. http://www.national-electronics.com/unbc.htm -- Best Regards, Keith http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ ICQ#:152812583 YahooIM: n6jpa 431 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 6:12pm Subject: from dispatch news-Fla brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email St. Lucie County (Fla.) now has a fully operational 800 MHz, analog-digital, 24-channel radio system from Motorola under a $10 million contract. The system will eventually handle the county sheriff, city of Port St. Lucie police, Fort Pierce police and St. Lucie County fire, along with several non-emergency county agencies. The system will handle 2,700 mobile and portable radios from nine Centracom Gold Elite control consoles and covers 572 square miles on Florida's southern east coast. -------------------------- 432 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 5:54pm Subject: FDNY Radio brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Greetings to all. I've dropped by to clear the air (pun intended) about our current radio system and troubles in the past. Our dispatch radio system is a 2-channel simplex system operating in the 154 MHz range with a voting receiver comprised of approximately 50 receiver sites throughout the 5 boroughs. Last year there was a fiasco when the powers that be changed the fireground portables from VHF Sabers to (Astro Digital) XTS's in the UHF range employing digital modulation. From what I have heard the problems encountered are analogous to the problems encountered by cellphone users, fluctuations in audio quality and dropped signals. These are, IMHO, typical of digital radios. There was much shouting by the City and Motorola, each blaming the other. The City said the radios failed while Motorola said they performed to specs. The term "radio failure" in my opinion has been thrown around too much. The City wants Motorola to "fix" the radios. I believe there's nothing to fix (save for changing them to analog). The problems that arose are inherent in such a system. It is for that reason that, IMHO, this type of radio system, with its original configuration should not be used in this field. The very nature of fireground operation in NYC is something that computer controlled digital radios can't handle. It was argued by Motorola that additional training on the radios would have prevented the difficulties. I fail to understand what additional training could have done to avoid the reported problems of the first trial use. What should they have been told? That 50+ FF's at an all-hands fire all using the same channel have to talk 1 at a time? Stay away from objects that absorb radio signals like tall buildings and grounded plumbing systems? Key up, wait 2 seconds then talk? What if you're caboose is on fire? Concerning the former Fire Commissioner, he was both misinformed and lacking in any knowledge of radio systems. Being a FF and Union President I would not expect him to be able to keep up with changes in technology, assuming he attempted to do so. As an agency head he relied mostly on input from the people below him. The Astros (Motorola that is, not Houston) have yet to reappear on the street. Frank Raffa Supv. Dispatcher, FDNY www.FDNewYork.com FD347@... (Frank Raffa) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 433 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 5:58pm Subject: DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ------------------------------------ The FCC issued a significant Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on interference to public safety radio operations in the 800 MHz band. The commission asked for comment on how to remedy interference, "consistent with minimum disruption to our existing licensing structure and assurance of sufficient spectrum for critical public safety communications." The FCC said it wants to explore "all available options," presumably including Nextel's controversial proposal to sweep public safety and commercial licenses into separate, contiguous bands. The full text of the NPRM has not yet been released, but it will no doubt set off a huge round of debate, and a flurry of comments filed with the FCC from public safety agencies and associations, as well as all sorts of commercial radio providers and users. You can get a taste of the issues from the FCC's press release that announced the action--they said said the NPRM: * Discusses various means of reconfiguring the 800 MHz band in a manner that will effectively minimize interference to public safety radio systems from Commercial Mobile Radio Service stations. * Requests information on the amount of spectrum sufficient to meet the needs of public safety. * Discusses means of handling licensing and frequency coordination if the 800 MHz band is restructured and incumbent 800 MHz licensees are relocated to other suitable bands. * With respect to any necessary incumbent relocation, discusses potential relocation bands and who would be reimbursed for relocating and who would pay the associated cost. * Considers complementary means of reducing interference to 800 MHz public safety communications in addition to reconfiguration of the 800 MHz frequency band, including receiver standards, stricter limits on out of band emissions and more robust public safety signals. We'll keep watching the FCC for the full posting. -------------------------- The Cornelius (NC) Police Department is building a new headquarters, including a comm center, and you can see the construction on-line through their Webcam, and also view a movie of the last few hours of work. Don't bother checking at night...but during the day you can expect to see the workers moving swiftly! Surf: http://other.corneliuspd.org/webcam/webcam.htm 434 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 2:52pm Subject: Re: FDNY Radio nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > It was argued by Motorola that additional training on the radios would have > prevented the difficulties. I fail to understand what additional training > could have done to avoid the reported problems of the first trial use. What > should they have been told? That 50+ FF's at an all-hands fire all using the > same channel have to talk 1 at a time? Stay away from objects that absorb > radio signals like tall buildings and grounded plumbing systems? Key up, wait > 2 seconds then talk? What if you're caboose is on fire? At least they didn't have to give the same instructions that firefighters switching to one brand (I'm not sure which one) of EDACS trunking portables received: Don't get the radio wet! -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 435 From: public@... Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 3:06pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! NEWSBOT COULD OPEN CLOSED WARS: It's interesting that the creator of this device wants to post his plans directly to the internet, too. Sounds like he's tired of obediant media protocols. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/industry/03/23/robot.reporter.ap/index.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 436 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 0:22pm Subject: oceanside ca radio woes brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A state regulatory agency says the city's antiquated radio system may endanger police officers and firefighters. The California Division of Occupational Safety and Health warned the city this week that if the radio system, which does not work in some parts of town, leads to an injury, the city could be cited and face civil penalties. "It's basically (Cal-OSHA) saying, 'Hey look, there are some problems here, and we've told you about them,' " Cal-OSHA spokesman Dean Fryer said. http://c1.zedo.com/ads2/i/3845/172/152005778/0/i.html?e=i;s=82;d=1;z=0.6530209 551811983 437 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 0:30pm Subject: FORT SMITH RADIO SYSTEM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The owner of a Fort Smith radio communications company Tuesday cautioned the Sebastian County Quorum Court against investing in a commercially owned radio system the county has proposed purchasing for use as a public safety communications system.Phil Mayberry of PEI Communications told justices of the peace at their monthly meeting he was representing not only his company, but the taxpayers of Sebastian County who will pay for the enhanced digital access communications system (EDACS) radio system the county has proposed buying.Mayberry said the county “has not explored all avenues†in its search for a countywide radio system. He said the radios the EDACS system uses are “very expensive,†and the county would be “locked into†a system that has only one local vendor and a single service provider in the area.“ http://www.swtimes.com/archive/2002/March/20/news/radios.html 438 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 0:42pm Subject: digital comms via Internet brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here's a law enforcment agency that apperantly has no fear of citizens listening to their--- DIGITAL---radio comms. http://www.douglas.co.us/sheriff/ If the below link doesn't go to the sheriff's dept cut to http://www.douglas.co.us and then following the links to the Sheriff's Dept--- Keep this handy if/when your pd decides that law abiding citizens should not listen Bob 439 From: "John Linko" Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:36pm Subject: Fwd: [ScanColo] Douglas County Media Release fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email >From: James Richardson >Reply-To: ScanColo@yahoogroups.com >To: ScanColo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [ScanColo] Douglas County Media Release >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:48:05 -0700 > >RELEASE DATE:03/27/02 RELEASE TIME: CASE NUMBER: > >WHAT: Douglas County Sheriff's Radio Scanning Now Available Online > >NARRATIVE: DOUGLAS COUNTY, CO - Interested in listening to law >enforcement and fire department radio dispatch? Listeners can now >tune in to the Douglas County Sheriff's Office primary emergency law >enforcement radio channel over the Internet. > >Online in just the last few weeks, the new live audio stream police >scanner feature allows citizens the opportunity to hear first hand >what issues are affecting their community. > >To access this exciting emergency radio scanning feature, users must >simply log on to the main Douglas County Sheriff's Office web site at >http://www.douglas.co.us/sheriff/, complete a one-time download of >the free, user friendly Nullsoft WINAMP media player, then click the >link for the online police scanner. > >Also provided with the media player download is a Douglas County >Sheriff's Office radio code guide which allows listeners the ability >to recognize specific agencies and activities that are unfolding. >Since this scanner feature uses live streaming audio technology, >listeners will hear the radio traffic an estimated 60-80 seconds >after it is initially broadcast. > >In addition to the Douglas County Sheriff's Office law enforcement, >listeners will be able to hear the radio use of the Douglas County >Coroner, Highlands Ranch Park Rangers, and Douglas County Open Space >Rangers. Also, as a future upgrade, we will add our main fire >department dispatch channel. This will allow listeners to hear radio >dispatch calls to ten local fire departments, including; South Metro >Fire, Parker Fire, Castle Rock Fire, Cunningham Fire, Skyline Fire, >Franktown Fire, Larkspur Fire, Jackson 105 Fire, West Douglas County >Fire, and Mountain Communities Fire. > >Since upgrading to a digital 800 MHz emergency radio system in 1999, >listening to our emergency service radio broadcasts were virtually >impossible. This new online feature was developed to provide a >convenient and very inexpensive way for citizens to enjoy a more in >depth knowledge of their emergency service providers. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx 440 From: public@... Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 9:39pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! SHERIFF ADOPTS SPIRIT OF OPENNESS: The Douglas County Sheriff Department makes it clear that it values citizens listening in on issues that affect them. In direct response to going digital, the department has invested in an elaborate online scanner system, citing all the right reasons! Maybe we're finally sinking into policy around here. :) Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.douglas.co.us/sheriff/community/PR/PRBody.asp?recID=109 Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 441 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 0:43pm Subject: DIGITAL RADIOS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been some discussion here about digital police/fire radio systems--I am including the following link for information purposes ONLY!! This will show that scanners to "demodulate" APCO 25 two ways wlll be out this fall.. http://www.national-electronics.com/unbc.htm Bob Reynolds Scranton, Pa 442 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:39pm Subject: Alb NM Crime Stats / ERs Full hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.thenewmexicochannel.com/alb/news/stories/newmexiconews-12448382002022\ 0-170206.html?tml=alb_5pm&ts=T&tmi=alb_5pm_1_06000203292002 This story mentions that Albuquerque New Mexico now has crime statistics stats online - openness. --------------------- There also should be links here to the Full ERs story, and the story about the shooting death of the Roswell Fire Chief. 443 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 1:11pm Subject: HIGH COST OF 800 MHZ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Montgomery County has decided to spend nearly $17 million over 10 years to build a communications system that would for the first time link all of its local fire departments.But most of the 92 fire companies say they can't afford to use it.The head of the County Board of Commissioners said he was aware of the problem, but he thinks the fire companies, most of which survive on small stipends from municipalities and donations from citizens, can and should find the money on their own. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/2975914.htm?template=contentModu les/printstory.jsp 444 From: "WPO" Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 6:54pm Subject: RE: HIGH COST OF 800 MHZ... N1IPY@... Send Email Send Email Posted on Mon, Apr. 01, 2002 Radio proposal costly for firefighters Montgomery County's communications-tower plan would link all departments. Most say they can't afford the upgrades. By Jacob Quinn Sanders Inquirer Suburban Staff Montgomery County has decided to spend nearly $17 million over 10 years to build a communications system that would for the first time link all of its local fire departments. But most of the 92 fire companies say they can't afford to use it. The head of the County Board of Commissioners said he was aware of the problem, but he thinks the fire companies, most of which survive on small stipends from municipalities and donations from citizens, can and should find the money on their own. "We recognized it as a potential problem when we started talking about the contract," said Commissioners Chairman Michael D. Marino, "but we are not in a financial position to help them out in this case. We're paying $17 million, and they need to find out how to pull their own weight." For the Elkins Park Fire Company, the cost to upgrade the equipment in its four fire trucks is $100,000, officials said. Radios for the department's 35 firefighters would cost $95,000. The company's income is less than $200,000 a year. New radios for the East Greenville Fire Company's 40 firefighters would cost an estimated $108,000, Chief Jim Fry said. Instead, he hopes to outfit the company's six vehicles and give a radio to each officer in the department at a cost of about $65,000. The department's 2002 budget: $60,000. And Horsham Fire Company No. 1 expects to spend more than $200,000 so its 40 firefighters can use the county system, Chief Richard Kirkman said. "We have a budget of $600,000, sure," Kirkman said. "But that's already spoken for. We plan to start squirreling money away to pay for the upgrades, but that's kind of difficult when there's no money to squirrel away." One exception is the Limerick Fire Company, whose chief, Tom Walters, serves as president of the Montgomery County Fire Chiefs Association. The department began saving in 1997 toward a projected $124,000 in equipment for itself and a sister company, Linfield, also in Limerick. "Some of the departments that say they can't afford it now should have planned for it," Walters said. "Some legitimately can't afford it, and no amount of planning could have helped them. Either way, a lot of fire companies in Montgomery County face a choice: how many radios they need versus how many they wish to have." The county's $16.96 million contract, approved March 20, will pay for 11 emergency communications towers, increasing the county total to 20, and hardware for the central dispatchers in Norristown. Stephen Keeley, Montgomery County director of emergency dispatch services, said police and ambulance services paid for their own equipment when they started using the county's digital system - which is separate from the fire communications system. The difference this time, Walters said, is that police are funded by municipal budgets that dwarf those of fire departments. Most local ambulance services are for-profit businesses, which gives them fiscal flexibility, he said. Motorola Inc., which also signed the county contract to build the towers, is the only company that makes the radios needed for both systems. They have list prices of $2,700 each for portable radios and $3,600 each for mobile radios, the sort mounted in police cars. The portion of the plan that deals with fire company communications could take a year, Marino said. But fire officials countywide say that still doesn't give them enough time to raise money. "We're looking at the money we have tied up in CDs, we're looking at grants - everything but a bake sale," Fry said. He said East Greenville would also apply for loans with a 2 percent interest rate that the state offers for emergency agencies. "We aren't going to wait until the last minute to switch," he said. "That could leave us worse off, because then we'd have all this new equipment and still use a 35-year-old system because we don't know how the new stuff works." The county hopes the new towers not only update the fire departments' communications but also alleviate interference caused by local cell-phone tower signals. Still, that interference could crop up in different locations, which worries the cash-strapped fire chiefs. "Imagine we get all the equipment we need but can't afford to go fix anything if the interference pops up in our area," Horsham Chief Kirkman said. "What good does that do anybody?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Contact Jacob Quinn Sanders at 610-313-8206 or jsanders@.... 445 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 6:34pm Subject: Watch What You Say On The Internet hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email You might want to closely read the first article. Peter S Technology ------------------------------- Web talk lands some in hot water Fish hobbyists on the Internet have been gurgling about something other than their tanks lately. It has to do with freedom of speech, and it impacts all of us who log on. By Lisa Napoli. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/734035.asp Is your e-mail watching you? Marketers may be tracking your moves online through e-mail messages that share the look and feel of Web pages -- and often without regard for safeguards that protect consumer privacy. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/734241.asp Judges weigh library Net filters A two-week federal trial to determine how far the government can go to protect children from pornography on library computers ended Thursday with judges openly concerned about whether the latest online smut law from Congress infringes on free-speech right http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/734302.asp ------------------------------- Living, Travel & Entertainment ------------------------------- White House airspace is vulnerable This week's Frontier Air jet flying over the White House was not alone. Over the past decade, 94 planes have flown through the restricted airspace. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/734364.asp 446 From: public@... Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 4:51pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! LIBERAL BLOGGING: This is another commentary on the blogging fad that casts bloggers as free-will journalists. Anything that pushes the concept of breaking the domination of controlled media is great to me, though I find the act of "blogging" itself to be somehow redundant. I mean, if you can put up a web page with personal news and commentary (as any of those mastered by yours truly), it's a web page with news and commentary. If it's a web page detailing a journal of your daily life, it's a diary posted online. Anything posted online that is true, right, and well presented, is a win for free media. So, what's this "blogging" distinction? In this particular article, the columnist seems under the impression that liberals are the oppressive speech mongers, and that blogging opens up the channels to counter them rather than the other way around. She sounds like she's one of the readers of that book "Bias" who fail to grasp that bias is nothing when control is king. And Conversatives control media. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-000024012apr04.story?coll=la-n\ ews-comment-opinions Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 447 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 5:00pm Subject: Chesapeake Virginia FD - 154.415 hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.chesapeake.va.us/services/depart/fire/fire/cfdhome.htm Right on their front page - right near the top of the page - - - - "Dispatch Frequency : 154.415 Mhz" - - - - (IIRC they use 800 Mhz - so 154.415 would probably be the simulcast / mutlcast / opencast of their dispatch channel) ---------------- You can also look at their online inservice training info - look for the Mayday training segment - "you may call emergency" or something like that (in other words, they are not too explicit with their radio operating procedure in that segment) --------------- They also have online CPR training Peter S 448 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 5:30pm Subject: Baton Rouge Accidents Online hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://ci.baton-rouge.la.us/reports/public/cdactiv.html I think that this is the official city website - they are posting traffic accidents off the ?regional CAD system. ----------------- IIRC the Baton Rouge area does have a live scanner feed - but I don't see it listed at http://www.freqofnature.com/live.html Anybody know if a Baton Rouge Louisiana scanner feed really exists - so we can scan them from our lounge chairs? Peter S 449 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 2:33pm Subject: 2001 LTE With Freqs - Nebraska hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.theindependent.com/stories/040501/opi_letters05.html Here is a Letter To The Editor from a Nebraska Emergency Management official listing some radio freqs for keeping aware of weather events 450 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 2:00pm Subject: This May Slow Down the Move To Digital hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=2878&print=Y Brain cancer study will be published - questions are raised about wireless devices 451 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 1:19pm Subject: Legislators Push Privacy hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/098/nation/A_federal_push_on_security_stirs_a_\ bipartisan_bid_to_guard_privacy+.shtml Lawmakers seek smart ID cards but want to require a warrant - medical privacy concerns also 452 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 10:52pm Subject: Oceana County MI - FDs Dont Want 800Mhz hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3396085&BRD=2051&PAG=461&dept_id=38237\ 8&rfi=8 You can post replies to this newspaper story at their website. (A couple of folks already have) They forgot to mention that the new system presently locks out scanner users. (since it is a 800Mhz APCO25 digital system - right?) 453 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 3:17pm Subject: Rochester NY Area PDs Online hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Looks like another newspaper has added a live scanner audio feed - from the Rochester New York area. http://rochestercentral.com/live/ 454 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 0:25pm Subject: DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The FCC has granted a waiver to VoiceStream so they can provide priority access service (PAS) on their network, which you'll recall will give designated public safety officials improved access to wireless phone systems. The FCC's earlier rules required PAS be implemented with a user-entered code, while VoiceStream and others want to implement it on a by-phone basis. The scheme will simply put an authorized phone at the top of any site queue, and would bump or pre-empty any current user off their phone call. Surf: http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Wireless/News_Releases/2002/nrwl0206.html FCC chair Michael Powell has floated a plan to get broadcasters moved onto digital channels ASAP. He's hoping that broadcasters will increase programming in digital format, which means consumers will feel more compelled to make the upgrade to digital TVs, which means all sorts of frequencies will be freed up by 2006. Hey...if you want those 700 MHz frequencies for your comm center, head down to Circuit City and buy a digital TV. ------------------------- We wandered across a White Paper on public safety radio interoperability from the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. It has some interesting thoughts on the obstacles to interoperability. Download the paper in Acrobat (pdf, 176k) format at: http://www.911Dispatch.com/information/interop_paper.pdf -------------------------- The Nebraska legislature is working on the next state budget, so final approval of funding (up to $87 million) to create a state-wide public safety radio system is on hold. Interoperability is at the crux of the proposal, after several multi-agency incidents where police and fire departments couldn't talk to one another. The uncertain cost of the system has legislators nervous as they're facing other appropriations in the annual budget. At the other end, local agencies have delayed purchasing new gear in anticipation of the radio bill's passage, and are now nervous the measure might not pass. -------------------------- A memo from Ron Haraseth, APCO liaison for Project 39 on 800 MHz interference, says that, "The information APCO has uncovered paints a gloomy picture." He outlined the work among APCO, local agencies, Nextel and other companies so far, and then asked for continuing input on interference that agencies are encountering. "There is a perception to some parties the problem may not be as widespread as we know it to be," he said, and added, "There is a dire need to promote the reporting and logging of both new problems and follow-up reports of problems that have been previously reported." Haraseth asked that interference reports be filed at: http://www.apco911.org/afc/800interfere.htm#interfere [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 455 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:19am Subject: from dispatch news brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Metro (Minneapolis) Radio Board is tackling the issue of public radio access by floating a draft proposal to regulate how radios could be used by the media and others to monitor selected talkgroups of its digital trunked radio system. Unfortunately, the draft pretty much leaves the decision on what channels are "open" to the local participating agencies, and never comes close to stating a policy on what information should be available to the public. Local media are hoping to maintain at least what access they have now with analog radio channels. See what the Board left out at: http://www.metroradioboard.org/draft%20media%20policy%203-26-02.pdf 456 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 11:12am Subject: Candidates Talk About Police Technology hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.masslive.com/news/unionnews/index.ssf?/news/pstories/se410dep.html In Springfield MA, at a public hearing held to evaluate candidates for a Deputy Police Chief position, candidates mentioned the various high technology items that can be used to improve police services. ---------------- I wonder if they ever talked about "openness" since the local newspaper webcasts the Springfield PD radio broadcasts on a continuous basis. (Springfield PD broadcasts are open at this time - except for some undercover ops which are encrypted). Peter S 457 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:06am Subject: YAHOO:INVASION OF PRIVACY! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Yahoo is at it again! Urgent protect your info! Please let everyone you know, know of this right now! Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track you around the net & see what you are doing. ...like cookies...... Take a look at http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html Somewhere about halfway down the page in the right hand side paragraph, there is a blue tiny little link that lets you opt-out of their electronic snooping. I advise everyone to do so immediately if not sooner. Also note that when you opt out, a window opens that says you have successfully opted out, but also says that if you want ot cancel opt out to press the small window below. DON'T click the small window thinking that it is the final opt out. NOT!!!!! 458 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:20pm Subject: Re: Candidates Talk About Police Technology nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > In Springfield MA, at a public hearing held to evaluate candidates for a > Deputy Police Chief position, candidates mentioned the various high > technology items that can be used to improve police services. > > I wonder if they ever talked about "openness" since the local newspaper > webcasts the Springfield PD radio broadcasts on a continuous basis. > (Springfield PD broadcasts are open at this time - except for some > undercover ops which are encrypted). That's unlikely unless the topic was brought up locally. A hobbyist knows a lot more about the general operations of the local PD and has more specific operational info about non-local PDs than does almost any police officer. The police professionals have to focus on their own little corner of the world in order to do a thorough job of protecting it and enforcing pertinent laws. A candidate for a management position in a different department will probably come to the interview knowing how many officers the department has, how large and diverse an area it patrols, the volume of service requests, and other stats. But they are unlikely to be aware of communications issues unless they have been publicized widely. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 459 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 0:20pm Subject: Des Moines Iowa IA Bank Robbery Tapes Released hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.msnbc.com/local/kcci/a1106895.asp Police have released transcripts of 911 calls and police radio traffic from a bank robbery that ended in the death of 2 robbers. 460 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 0:37pm Subject: A Compendium Of Modern Radio System Woes hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.scanboston.com/radiowoes.htm 461 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 4:44pm Subject: Cruising With The (Shortwave Police) Radio On hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email World renowned street crime / city scene photographer Weegess is remembered in a Worcester MA museum exhibit http://www.worcesterart.org/Exhibitions/weegees_world.html ------------- Also check www.weegee.org for fire photos 462 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 2:43pm Subject: BPD Responsible Reporting Policy hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.cityofboston.com/police/default_media.asp Boston Police have implemented a responsible reporting policy for hostage situations - 1 pool camera + 1 pool helo will be allowed at the scene. 463 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:47am Subject: MONROE COUNTY,PA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone know the primary UHF dispatch freq for fire calls in Monroe County, Pa--I think I have the proper freq programmed in but I am not sure. I do know they have migrated most of their fire stuff from 33.980-- Thanks in advance: Bob 464 From: public@... Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:47pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! WHAT'S WRONG WITH INTERROGATIONS?: An interesting point in this article talks about how the panel is going to recommend that interrogations, not just confessions, be videotaped. A lot of guilty people are put to death, but it turns out so are a lot of innocent people which besmurdges the entire death penalty process far and beyond what most people would agree is acceptable risk. This is an interesting application of social transparency because it seeks to stamp out one major stronghold of potential social injustice. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&578&e=13&u=/nm/20020415/ts_n\ m/crime_deathpenalty_dc_1 Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 465 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:40am Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > An interesting point in this article talks about how the panel is going to recommend that interrogations, not just confessions, be videotaped. A lot of guilty people are put to death, but it turns out so are a lot of innocent people which besmurdges the entire death penalty process far and beyond what most people would agree is acceptable risk. This is an interesting application of social transparency because it seeks to stamp out one major stronghold of potential social injustice. Well, let's not oversimplify or exaggerate the issues. The death penalty is a matter of great controversy in the U.S. However, I don't think I've ever heard anyone on either side claim that "a lot" of innocent people get executed. And if "most people" did not believe that the "risk" was "acceptable" then we would not have a death penalty in this country. Lt. David T. Stark IPC International at Colonie Center M.A. Criminal Justice Adjunct Lecturer in Sociology, The College of Saint Rose NF2G, KYR-7128, KNY2DJ Director, New York Statewide Incident Notification Group Albany County RACES Red Cross North East New York DAT Trainer Skywarn Spotter N6-001-390 Public Safety Radio Monitoring Consultant Resume/CV available at http://nf2g.com/bio.html 466 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:44am Subject: RE: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email QUOTED--->Well, let's not oversimplify or exaggerate the QUOTED--->issues. The death penalty is a matter of great QUOTED--->controversy in the U.S. However, I don't think I've QUOTED--->ever heard anyone on either side claim that "a lot" QUOTED--->of innocent people get executed. And if "most Granted, in the sample cited by the article just 13 people were actually exonerated - though who knows what that really represents on a larger scale. The panel concludes that the people for whom the death penalty is reserved by outcome are those who can't afford an adequate defense. So the REAL tragedy is that we're really just guessing either way. I could be dead on. The odasity that we have to guess whether the people who die at state's hand are guilty or not should be the compelling food for thought. Still, if I'm reading it right, 12 people were executed before the moratorium there. After that, 13 people on the same death row were exonerated while the moratorium was in effect. That's 25 people total, which for that sample IS a lot of people executed, and a lot of people exonerated. A literal 50/50 crapshoot. Warped math in the absence of other numbers, granted, but the point is the absurd may be closer to the God awful truth than we care to admit. QUOTED--->people" did not believe that the "risk" was QUOTED--->"acceptable" then we would not have a death penalty QUOTED--->in this country. There's no question they believe the risk is acceptable. It's the only explanation for such madness. But countering false perceptions of fairness and embellishing the true state of risk are apparently what that and other reports like it are all about. So who knows...a few more reality pills and people WILL demand tougher rules governing the death penalty process. The element of the report that caught my fancy was the fact that someone thought videotaping interrogations instead of confessions was a good idea. I had a class once where the instructor said interrogations weren't generally recorded because "there weren't nice things" that went on. So, interrogations are apparently, or can be, havens for quick inexpensive justice. Inexpensive justice that these folks believe, anyway, has been at the expense of people just like us - but not as rich. Dave 467 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 5:27pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > exonerated. A literal 50/50 crapshoot. Warped math in the absence of > other numbers, granted, but the point is the absurd may be closer to the > God awful truth than we care to admit. [snip] > on. So, interrogations are apparently, or can be, havens for quick > inexpensive justice. Inexpensive justice that these folks believe, > anyway, has been at the expense of people just like us - but not as > rich. Nice people don't end up on death row. Nice people don't get arrested and charged with capital murder. People who are going to be charged with such offenses are generally not very cooperative with the police. How many murderers do you want running around loose because the police have to say "please" and "thank you" and "we don't really need to know who killed this person if you'd rather not tell us" ... ? Nobody has ever come up with any number of first offenders who were convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death. The death penalty is reserved for the "worst of the worst" and, while the process might be applied unfairly at times (a genuine problem that needs to be solved), the ultimate sanction has never been documented to have been inflicted on anyone who had always been an upstanding, law-abiding, nice person. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 468 From: "David Pinero" Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:59am Subject: RE: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Now, I posted a reply to this earlier -- don't know what happened to it though. Here's a perhaps more elaborate paraphrase of that post. QUOTED--->Nice people don't end up on death row. Nice people QUOTED--->don't get arrested and charged with capital murder. No, but innocent people do. Everyone arrested is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. At least 13 people in that particular story should have stayed that way, yet made it all the way to the brink of death. And BTW, I'm not talking about their rights, I'm talking about mine and yours. QUOTED--->People who are going to be charged with such offenses QUOTED--->are generally not very cooperative with the police. Doesn't mean we should feel better about frivolously killing them though does it? QUOTED--->How many murderers do you want running around loose QUOTED--->because the police have to say "please" and "thank QUOTED--->you" and "we don't really need to know who killed QUOTED--->this person if you'd rather not tell us" ... ? I don't think it boils down to that, speaking of simplicity. Transparency technologies in policing are going to mold how policing is conducted over the years, I speculate, just as much as they will how crime is. For example, DNA evidence is clearing death row inmates *enough* if not *a lot* that I think we can safely wonder just how valid the entire death penalty process ever was. QUOTED--->that needs to be solved), the ultimate sanction has QUOTED--->never been documented to have been inflicted on QUOTED--->anyone who had always been an upstanding, QUOTED--->law-abiding, nice person. Hm. Socrates? Jesus? Any number of good hearted southern blacks in the early 1900s? More importantly, though, the center of the death penalty debate does not reside in the question of personality. Maybe that's why it isn't documented. And heck, even if it were, sociopaths would probably score high on the charm scale anyway. The bottom consideration is that death row inmates are there on the merit of their conviction as determined by a process apparently rife with weakness and prejudice. Look, I'm all for punishment of the wicked. But forgetting the error-prone nature of it all, death is an escape. Life without chance of parole is not only cheaper and safer, it's much more torturous for the convicted. I would want the guy who killed my natural father rotting in a cell for 50 years long before I'd ever want him dead. That's just me though. Dave 469 From: "dpinero2" Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 7:02pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email --- In Openness@y..., "David T. Stark" wrote: applied unfairly at times (a genuine problem that needs to be solved), the > ultimate sanction has never been documented to have been inflicted on anyone > who had always been an upstanding, law-abiding, nice person. Dave I'm shocked! I'm sure there has never been a documented case of this one way or another because how nice and upstanding someone is or isn't, isn't the center of gravity in the death penalty argument. People go to the chair through a presumably just process that focuses almost exclusively on whatever it is they were convicted on. How law abiding in general the death row population of America might have been before their individual convictions is something I'm sure most people would feel is irrelevant. Actually, the ultimate sanction *was* inflicted on highly regarded people such as, say, Socrates and Jesus - whose main claim to sinistry was that they were merely controversial in their day. But to the legtitamite legal systems that hounded them, they were every bit the criminals you're saying are expendable for the larger good today. Hmmmm. I'm not prepared to non-critically accept a justice system that threatens my rights just because it figures it "mostly" understands who the bad people are. Dave 470 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:17am Subject: NY Times Articles - Today hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/17/arts/television/17NOTE.html?todaysheadlines - the demise of classic radio stations is lamented - talk radio is hot - people want info, not music http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/17/national/17PORN.html?todaysheadlines - "virtual" child pornography ban overturned by Supreme Court - you, like me, might have wondered what was up with this ruling - the bottom line, as explained by this article, is that the government has no overwhelming proof that "virtual" child pornography is bad OK - lets tie these 2 items together - what proof does the government have that intercepting and divulging public safety radio communications is bad? - If none, then lets start broadcasting public safety radio traffic over AM and FM radio stations. Peter S (please hold any knee-jerk reactionary personal attacks) 471 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:46pm Subject: Re: Re: New Openness Headline Posted nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here is an example of the kind of invalid logic used by death penalty opponents: > Actually, the ultimate sanction *was* inflicted on highly regarded > people such as, say, Socrates and Jesus - whose main claim to > sinistry was that they were merely controversial in their day. But > to the legtitamite legal systems that hounded them, they were every > bit the criminals you're saying are expendable for the larger good > today. We weren't discussing ancient Greece or Rome. The original posting was about the criminal justice system of the United States. We did not execute Socrates or Jesus. Nor were the negroes alluded to in your other posting convicted of a crime and sentenced to death by the formal justice system. You cannot confuse the crime of lynching with a lawfully conducted criminal trial. Also, Socrates and Jesus were political (and religious) criminals, not murderers. Apples and oranges again. > Hmmmm. I'm not prepared to non-critically accept a justice system > that threatens my rights just because it figures it "mostly" > understands who the bad people are. Your rights? Just how many murders do you plan to commit? How many violent crimes will you commit before you start killing? That is the problem with most of the death penalty debate - the idea that the legal fiction of presumed innocence is the same as being "an innocent." It is not. "Innocents" do not end up on death row. And nobody is sentenced to death without a trial, which must be bifurcated - having a guilt phase and a separate penalty phase. The comment about presumption of innocence is irrelevant to the concept of execution of a convicted criminal, who by definition is no longer presumed innocent because a jury has determined that he is guilty. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 P.S. I'm guessing that by now a few recipients of the Openness list are becoming a bit annoyed at us because this discussion admittedly has nothing to do with open communications or open government any more. I apologize for continuing this far in this forum, but I think it's important that interested parties understand how poorly constructed are some of the anti-capital punishment arguments. 472 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 0:55pm Subject: RE: Re: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email QUOTED--->We weren't discussing ancient Greece or Rome. The original posting was about the QUOTED--->criminal justice system of the United States. We did not execute Socrates or Jesus. QUOTED--->Nor were the negroes alluded to in your other posting convicted of a crime and QUOTED--->sentenced to death by the formal justice system. You cannot confuse the crime of QUOTED--->lynching with a lawfully conducted criminal trial. I still think my examples go to the point because they were to demonstrate the fallibility of humans to fairly and appropriately apply the death option where you said there was a never documented case of the ultimate sanction being applied to upstanding, nice, people. A lot of people feel the drug war which introduces many folks to the criminal justice system in the first place is political, which infers that all crimes that define us as nice upstanding people are political depending how far you want to run with that. The "formal justice system" in the United States is not some institutional bubble of truth and virtue in the universe when it comes to the death penalty. In fact, as industrial nations go, it's actually considered pretty warped. We can't even extradite back some serious criminals because some nations that hold them are appalled by our willingness to execute them. QUOTED--->with open communications or open government any more. QUOTED---> I apologize for continuing this far in this forum, QUOTED--->but I think it's important that interested parties QUOTED--->understand how poorly constructed are some of the QUOTED--->anti-capital punishment arguments. No, actually it does relate to openness issues. The more transparent the process becomes the more mistakes and prejudices will be exposed, and likewise, the more people will have less to wonder about. It would be interesting if correctional websites posted the names of death row inmates more directly, and many feel that openly broadcasting executions would stir up healthy debate one way or another as well. The most valid and compelling reason for the death penalty is justice, but a whole heckuva lot of people believe the process so faulty, if not the very premise, that it can't be utilized safely to that aim. By the way, I don't *argue* that the death penalty is bad, I *believe* it. I'm just funneling my belief the best way *I* can, so don't worry about painting a picture for everyone. I'm sure most people know they can find highly academic reasons that meet the FDA approved logic standards one way or another elsewhere. To the innocent guy being strapped to the chair in his final minutes it makes no difference. Dave 473 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:24pm Subject: Re: Re: New Openness Headline Posted nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > No, actually it does relate to openness issues. The more transparent > the process becomes the more mistakes and prejudices will be exposed, > and likewise, the more people will have less to wonder about. It would > be interesting if correctional websites posted the names of death row > inmates more directly, and many feel that openly broadcasting executions > would stir up healthy debate one way or another as well. I agree with you on that. I never said the process was perfect, and I did acknowledge a message or two back that genuine miscarriages of justice have occurred and must be prevented. But, there have been similar miscarriages with respect to incarceration, fines, and even civil judgments and awards of alimony and child support. Should we suspend ALL forms of punishment or restitution because the people in the system have made mistakes? The debate between protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty has always existed in our system of justice, from the belief of some of the Founders that it was better to let a few guilty men go than to punish one innocent, to Justice Cardozo's dissenting comment about the guilty man going free because the constable has blundered. My personal point of view is that career felons who eventually end up on death row because they were convicted of our most serious offense, regardless of their level of culpability for the instant crime, are not "innocent" by any stretch. They are very bad people and, in my view (not shared by liberal academia or many politicians) they deserve what they get. To date, nobody has ever answered my challenge to differentiate - with real cases - between executees who had never committed a crime before in their lives (real "innocents") and those whose conviction or sentencing might have been defective in some technical way but who had a history of violent antisocial behavior. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 M.A.C.J. bla bla bla 474 From: "J GLASS" Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:01pm Subject: Re: Re: New Openness Headline Posted y2k4us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The powers to be here(Canada), have not executed any innocents here...We don't have any "kill em all and let God sort them out"state slogans.Man in his imperfection should not execute other "imperfects". All men deserve to die.Only those who have been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ will truly live , this life and the next. Off topic but it confirms that there are others willing to be open and shed some "light". John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 475 From: rks-57@... Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:25pm Subject: Re: Re: New Openness Headline Posted rschoonmaker Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I would like to give my option on the death penalty. While I am not as educated as some are, I think the death penalty is wrong because.................... And nobody is sentenced to death without a trial, That is true , but the trial is a chess game and you better have the funds to play. Justice is only as good as you can afford. You have your OJ's and you have your Joe Smith the factory workers. You think their is equal justice here. I am not saying every person on death-row is innocent, Hell most of them probably belong their. But if you "Kill" one innocent person thats one to many. I agree with Dave P life with no parole . It's cheaper on the tax payer and spending years in a prison cell has got to be like a living death. "Innocents" do not end up on death row. I wish that was true. As great as this nation is, it has it share of flaws in its justice system. Many of times you read of a "Innocents" being found not guilty after spending years on death-row. Thanks to DNA and other forms of scientific evidence. Thank you for letting me have my say..........Ray 476 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:40pm Subject: Supreme Court Will Not Tackle The "Who Is A Reporter" Case hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/national/16SCOT.html?todaysheadline The issue of "who is a reporter" was deemed immaterial / irrelevant / etc in the case anyhow. 477 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:16pm Subject: 1 Napster Down - 20 To Go hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/17/technology/17MUSI.html?todaysheadlines This article details the international court battles being waged by the music industry against the forces of technology and "thievery". I wonder when the openness concept as it applies to public safety radio communications will reach an unstoppable mass (as appears to be happening with the illegal recordings in the music and media industries)? 478 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:55am Subject: South Dakota Radio Items hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.yankton.net/ns-search/stories/062301/new_0623010009.shtml?NS-search-s\ et=/3cbfd/aaaa20874bfde6c&NS-doc-offset=98& ($20M new digital high band radio system planned for South Dakota - June 2001) http://www.yankton.net/ns-search/stories/030802/new_0308020013.shtml?NS-search-s\ et=/3cbfe/aaaa23347bfe810&NS-doc-offset=36& (March 2002 - new radio system progresses - comments about new digital scanners are included in the article - 5 areas are coming on line now - more twers are being constructed) http://www.yankton.net/stories/041802/new_0418020011.shtml (SD Governor gets award for pushing weather alert radios - statewide "crime watcg" potential) If these URLs dont work - do a search at www.yankton.net for 911 or dispatch or radio or fire - or you might try trimming the long URLs back to .shtml Peter S 479 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:19pm Subject: Yankton SD FD Has A Hot Website hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.yankton.net/ns-search/stories/041302/com_0413020006.shtml?NS-search-s\ et=/3cbfe/aaaa23347bfe810&NS-doc-offset=3& This caught my eye - www.firehouse.com says that the fire dispatch sites for Los Angeles, NYC, and Chicago are among the most used sites. 480 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 11:10am Subject: Trunk system failure brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: [UnidenBC780XLT] Date: 04/19/2002 7:37:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Amtrak35@... (amtrak35) Reply-to: UnidenBC780XLT@yahoogroups.com To: UnidenBC780XLT@yahoogroups.com I was listening to 5 frequency Motorola UHF trunked Safety system for a local county when scanner stopped trunking and all 5 frequencies were lit on normal service.In the background of each frequency was a hiss like mike was keyed and a beep about every 30 seconds. This lasted about 2 minutes then normal trunking returns and officer calls in and said his radio had a Fail-Soft message on his screen.Dispatcher said radio repair guys were working on system and it went down. Radio repair calls in and says Fail-Soft does not mean radio system is down but is in emergency backup. However dispatcher said he couldn't get hold of officers and officer said his radio wasn't working,it sure seemed down to him. Does this back-up of Motorola's trunked system really work or did these guys panic? Must be scary when system goes down and these guys can't communicate.A drawback to Trunking? 481 From: "dkelly" Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 4:36pm Subject: Re: Trunk system failure dwkelly@... Send Email Send Email It means at least one of three things: 1) Officers were not trained to understand the limitations of "failsoft" and the proper manner of operating 2) Dispatchers did not have a back up radio or portable to operate on the system and did not understand that wired dispatch consoles do not function during failsoft. 3) Radios were not programmed for correct failsoft operation and this was not discovered during "testing" designed to uncover such problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: [Openness] Trunk system failure Subj: [UnidenBC780XLT] Date: 04/19/2002 7:37:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Amtrak35@... (amtrak35) Reply-to: UnidenBC780XLT@yahoogroups.com To: UnidenBC780XLT@yahoogroups.com I was listening to 5 frequency Motorola UHF trunked Safety system for a local county when scanner stopped trunking and all 5 frequencies were lit on normal service.In the background of each frequency was a hiss like mike was keyed and a beep about every 30 seconds. This lasted about 2 minutes then normal trunking returns and officer calls in and said his radio had a Fail-Soft message on his screen.Dispatcher said radio repair guys were working on system and it went down. Radio repair calls in and says Fail-Soft does not mean radio system is down but is in emergency backup. However dispatcher said he couldn't get hold of officers and officer said his radio wasn't working,it sure seemed down to him. Does this back-up of Motorola's trunked system really work or did these guys panic? Must be scary when system goes down and these guys can't communicate.A drawback to Trunking? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 482 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 0:52pm Subject: WESTMORELAND CO PA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Westmoreland County commissioners approved spending more than $94,000 on Thursday for preliminary engineering and design work on a proposed upgraded 911 emergency radio dispatching system. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/dailycourier/s_67268.html 483 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:48pm Subject: Smokey and The Deaf Bandits hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email March 2002 info ---------------- Subject: Re: Am I really missing that much not having an unblocked scanner? From: It depends if you want to listen to cell phone calls, and there are still many analog phones in use today so unblocked scanners aren't useless yet. ------------------------ I used to maintain radios for a sheriff's department that had us set the modulation way low on their base station so that if the scanner listeners turned up their scanners enough to hear them, then they would blast their ears off when the city police or somebody else talked. Their cars didn't notice with the volume way up on the county radio, because they had a separte radio for the other frequencies. They kept it up until they got single unit scanning radios in their cars, then they had to stop. It was all just to annoy scanner listeners, kind of childish I thought. 484 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 0:38pm Subject: APCO 25 GOOD REFERENCE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Uniden has released additional information on the forthcoming APCO-25 digital scanners. The BC785D desktop/mobile and BC250D hand-held scanners {units are not FCC certified} are essentially upgrades of the current, and very popular, BC780XLT and BC245XLT models. http://www.grove-ent.com/apco25.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 485 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 9:57pm Subject: Verdugo Live Scanner Feed hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Verdugo's live dispatch feed is now up and running at http://www.verdugo.ci.glendale.ca.us [These are some of the suburbs just NE of Los Angeles City CA - their website has tons of info - all their freqs and more - Peter S] 486 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:31pm Subject: McKinney TX Goes Digital hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.trunkedradio.net/cgi-bin/display.pl?sid=53 487 From: public@... Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 0:52am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Verdugo Fire :CA :Fire Rescue Medical :Verdugo Metropoliton Area :Web Audio :http://www.verdugo.ci.glendale.ca.us/radio.html :Very clean and well maintained. Shows positive openness attitude towards the curious public. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 488 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 3:49pm Subject: Belmont MA Emails are Public Documents hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://community.webtv.net/zerg90/zerg90 489 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:03pm Subject: Privacy In The Digital World hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Talk in Your Sleep? Is the Radio Listening? A new book by Richard Hunter, "World Without Secrets: Business, Crime and Privacy in the Age of Ubiquitous Computing," reminds us that the technologies of the 90's are still being deployed rapidly. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/28/business/yourmoney/28VALU.html?todaysheadlines 490 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 0:25pm Subject: MOTOROLA/NY FLAP brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The new annual report of high-tech giant Motorola Inc. prominently features photos of New York City firefighters -- infuriating some who blame Motorola for contributing to the department's losses on Sept. 11. One firefighter is shown on the report's cover with a Motorola radio clipped to his fire gear. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said firefighters ascending the twin towers of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 could not hear an emergency evacuation call from their commanders. "It's an absolute disgrace for Motorola to use New York City firefighters to advertise their company," said Steve Cassidy, a New York firefighters union delegate. 491 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 5:44pm Subject: MA Bank Robbery - No Mention of Scanners hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.telegram.com/news/city/bankfolo.html A bank in central Massachusetts was robbed of $5400. 3 people were arrested and it is believed that they are heroin addicts. Note that there is no mnetion of scanners in this article - as is the case in most robberies - or at least the ones that I hear about. 492 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed May 1, 2002 1:16pm Subject: Scanner Alerts Man To Fire In His Apt Bld hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/local_regional/fram_fire05012002.htm Framingham Massachusetts Phone panel caused fire - FD saw smoke and responded quickly - building occupant heard the fire call on his scanner before he smelled smoke --------------- I was trying to think of how this story could be better. Maybe if the guy had a cat named Lassie, and Lassie sat on the scanner and meowed until the guy turned on the scanner, and then he heard the fire call. Yeah - that would have been better. 493 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed May 1, 2002 9:55pm Subject: Snoopers Vs Home Video Cams hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Viewers were also interested in our story last light about how wireless security cameras can be monitored by people other than their owners. You can watch the video of that story at: http://www.msnbc.com/m/c/ctv_emailthis.asp?id=nn_ellis_homecam_020430&subid=&sk=\ msnbc&sl=&0mw=x92 Thank you for all of your thoughtful responses to our news coverage. Snoopers target home security cameras NBC's Rehema Ellis reports. http://www.msnbc.com/m/c/ctv_emailthis.asp?id=nn_ellis_homecam_020430&subid=&sk=\ msnbc&sl=&0mw=x92 ========================================= 494 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu May 2, 2002 4:01am Subject: RE: Snoopers Vs Home Video Cams dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Yep, I got me one of these cameras and used it to watch my front patio for a long time. I reconfigured my camera system recently so that that camera now keeps and eye on my livingroom and diningroom. One routine I've had to adjust to that I didn't have before is to unplug the camera when I'm basically home and being human at all sordid and virtuous levels! :P Open Broadcasting doesn't cover me in my underwear - or worse! Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com QUOTED--->-----Original Message----- QUOTED--->From: zerg90@... [mailto:zerg90@...] QUOTED--->Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:55 PM QUOTED--->To: sonofrcma@onelist.com QUOTED--->Cc: Openness@yahoogroups.com QUOTED--->Subject: [Openness] Snoopers Vs Home Video Cams QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->Viewers were also interested in our story last light QUOTED--->about how wireless security cameras can be monitored QUOTED--->by people other than their owners. You can watch the QUOTED--->video of that story at: 495 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu May 2, 2002 4:41am Subject: RE: Privacy In The Digital World dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The author of this piece is coming to realize what I speculated on ages ago. So there! ;) The internet is a new medium of force. I recall a program featuring FBI agents taking part in a discussion panel in 1995 or so regarding, among other things, the potential of the internet to foster hate crime and hate propaganda. Three of the 4 agents discussed the usual tactics of coming down hard on such people using what I would best describe as conventional methods applied as best as possible to the 'new' medium. But the 4th guy had a more startling idea that, to this very day, seems ignored. That is to directly counter bad ideas officially with GOOD ideas (or at least the arguments) in the very same way! Not in the cheesy PR sort of way you already expect, but directly in the same forums and with the same tactics over very explicit topics using official above-board spokesfolks as agents of counter talk. If racism pops up recruiting members in a public form, we should see an officer@... e-mail address pop up with counter efforts to discourage such nonsense by educating readers on any possible underhanded motives, and with links to resources. In other words, get down and dirty point by point, and don't emphasize the need to handle such an effort covertly. Electronic armies are moving, and the best way to stop the bad ones is to meet them on their own road - not waste time striking at faceless shifting intangibles. Such a strategy compliments the benevolent role of public safety to educate and protect the public in modern times, yet does not selectively crush civil rights by seeking to shut down websites and other forums - as if that could ever be effective at stemming the tide of some online propaganda conquest anyway. In looking at this review, I think all Openness.org supporters can agree that the book might as well be talking about this very cause. It's a niche issue with no relevance to geography, and up until relatively recently, prided itself on mobilizing electronic evangelism wherever the need was seen to be. Unlike bad causes, of course, this is a good one. It is controversial and most certainly rubs some in public safety the wrong way, but its purpose and reason are virtuous. For the former points, however, you'd expect, say, my local sheriff's office to put up a "why we dislike Pinero's Open Broadcasting Concept" which would be ridiculously flawed at the outset in *my* opinion, but at least a very good way to address a concept it might disagree with. In more clear cut cases, some real good counterpoints could be made against hate groups, cults, and just about any real bad guy using the net to do real bad things. Developing these public safety electronic armies is probably very much in the cards 10 years from now. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com QUOTED--->-----Original Message----- QUOTED--->From: zerg90@... [mailto:zerg90@...] QUOTED--->Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:04 AM QUOTED--->To: firerad2@onelist.com QUOTED--->Cc: sonofrcma@onelist.com; Openness@yahoogroups.com QUOTED--->Subject: [Openness] Privacy In The Digital World QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->Talk in Your Sleep? Is the Radio Listening? QUOTED---> QUOTED--->A new book by Richard Hunter, "World Without Secrets: QUOTED--->Business, Crime and Privacy in the Age of Ubiquitous QUOTED--->Computing," reminds us that the technologies of the QUOTED--->90's are still being deployed rapidly. QUOTED---> QUOTED--->http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/28/business/yourmoney/2 QUOTED--->8VALU.html?todaysheadlines QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor QUOTED--->---------------------~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no QUOTED--->minimums. FREE Money 2002. QUOTED--->QUOTED--->http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/xYTol B/ QUOTED--->TM QUOTED--->------------------------------------------------------ QUOTED--->---------------~-> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: QUOTED--->openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 496 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu May 2, 2002 0:18pm Subject: Liberty Versus Safety hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.telegram.com/news/south/slawday.html this may not be on topic very much - but it gives a back drop to current events - the question of terror prevention versus personal liberties - this was discussed at a lawyers meeting in Worcester MA - it is good to see people looking at both sides of the issue 497 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu May 2, 2002 5:49pm Subject: Truth Is Best Antidote To Terrorism Fears hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://fe.pennnet.com/News/Display_News_Story.cfm?Section=WireNews&SubSection=HO\ ME&NewsID=49372 Leaders must be consistent in their use of descriptors such as "likely" "high" etc 498 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri May 3, 2002 2:52pm Subject: News 3 Enroute! hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Are they reporting on the fire or on the exploits of the News 3 crew? Or both? ============== From: emailnews@... (Channel3000 Newsroom) Date: Thu, May 2, 2002, 2:05pm (EDT-1) To: zerg90@... Subject: BREAKING NEWS: Crews Fighting Waunakee Blaze News 3 is en route to the scene and will report tonight on News 3. http://treets.channel3000.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=8571698&t=1 499 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat May 4, 2002 0:37pm Subject: AMR Boston Adding More Freqs hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Someone needs to tell the American Medical Response Boston MA Division that no freqs are available in High Band, and that they really need to go to 220, 400, 800, 900, 700 Mhz digital. Not! AMR is the largest private ambulance compnay in the USA - they provide ALS and BLS ambulance service - emergency and nonemergency. Peter S ---------------- Quincy MA - 160.185R - 153.275in Boston - 152.975R - 158.145in - ? not used yet - ?being held in reserve for future use Falmouth Maine - 155.22 - 160.08 - pending Abington MA - 159.96R - 153.14in - licensed 10/00 Paxton MA - 159.735R - 153.095in - licensed 2/01 Boston MA - 159.825R - 10/00 on the air Natick MA - 153.215R - 158.415in - 12/00 pending Waban / Newton MA - 159.57R - 8/00 pending - 11/00 on the air Taunton MA - 160.05 pending ---------------------- Anybody know what the input to 159.825 is? 500 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat May 4, 2002 4:27pm Subject: LAPD Press Release On Digital Radio Problems hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.lapdonline.org/press_releases/2001/07/pr01473.htm Apparently they have the same problem with simplex comms that FDNY had - a digital double can apparently cause the radios to totally mute when the Bit Error Radio goes above 7%. (Per the APCO website, APCO25 radios were built to self corr4ect for up to 7% BER). And there may be further issues with anti double / busy channel transmit inhibit features of the radios. Harry M - when did the LAPD go totally digital? Was it in June 2001? (Note that this is a July 2001 press release). I will post the entire text of this press release to alt.emergency.services.dispatcher so that www.goggle.com can archive it. 501 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat May 4, 2002 5:24pm Subject: LAPD 911 and Radio Calls hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.lapdonline.org/ Click on "LAPD Organization" at bottom - then click on "Communications Division" - then click on "Actual 911 Calls" They have 911 calls and radio calls listed - police, fire and EMS incidents - anyone gonna make copies of all this stuff before they yank it off the Internet? 502 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat May 4, 2002 5:57pm Subject: LAPD Press Releases hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.lapdonline.org/search_map/toc.htm June 2001 - I dont see any press release about going all digital (which happened in June of 2001) July 2001 - there is a press release about problems with the new digital radio system ---------------------- 1 thing I found very strange was the press releases asking for help on murder investigations - "on weekends and off hours, call 1-877 -LAWFULL" Off hours? --------------- If you find the press release with the 3 jpgs on the 30 year crime stats, you can see that murders and violent crimes took a real dip in the 1990s 503 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun May 5, 2002 11:45am Subject: Kentucky Utilities Is Digital hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the Kentucky scanner list ------------------ Subject: Kentucky Utilities frequencies To: KYSCAN@... A few years ago, KU activities in the Lexington area went to a digital system. It uses several frequencies in the 452 mHz region. Their radios are Motorola, but not sure if it is trunked, or not. IT IS TOTALLY UN-MONITORABLE with analog receivers. They still use some of their old 48 mHz freqs in outlying area, but NOT around Lexington. 504 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun May 5, 2002 4:20pm Subject: From the Newsgroups hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Group: alt.med.ems,alt.pirate.radio,alt.radio.broadcasting,alt.radio.scanner,msn.forums.emergency.communications,rec.radio.scanner Subject: Public Safety Police & Emergency Scanners Now Broadcasting Online X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Date: Thu, May 2, 2002, 3:44am (EDT+4) X-Complaints-To: abuse@... X-Trace: news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com 1020311071 24.42.207.208 (Wed, 01 May 2002 23:44:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, May 1, 2002, 11:44pm Why are we broadcasting the Police, Fire and EMS Radio Transmissions ? General Public Interest : There are many people interested in the workings of the communities Public Safety Departments. Scanner sites are located throughout the United States and Canada that broadcast their city's Police, Fire and EMS dispatch transmissions. We decided to join them. Appreciation of the Public Safety Departments: Few people realize just how busy both the Public Safety Departments can get, especially during the day. The broadcasting of the dispatch gives you a picture that the spending of your tax dollars on the safety of our city is well worth it. The one thing that should stick out in your mind is the professionalism of our Police and Fire Departments. Under sometimes stressful emergency situations they remain calm and fully under control. That is the sign of a well trained department. Listen to Live Public Safety Scanners online from across the U.S. and Canada. Place your scanner online and let us know about it. Police, Fire, EMS, Tactical If you are looking to learn how to either broadcast or listen to online scanners from Across Canada & The U.S. Then I would like to invite you to join our discussion group. -- Learn how to broadcast and listen to online scanner broadcasts. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livescanneraudio 505 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 6, 2002 9:33pm Subject: Snooping With Scanner Can Get You Into Trouble hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.mlive.com/news/bctimes/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/ba\ se/news/1019576701196195.xml A Township Clerk in Michigan divulged a cordless phone conversation regarding bribery. 506 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue May 7, 2002 0:15pm Subject: Crisis Communication and the Internet hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Crisis Communication and the Internet Risk and Trust in a Global Media http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue7_4/bucher/ 507 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:44pm Subject: Tress's Corner Gets Trussed Up hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.jsonline.com/news/wauk/may02/41630.asp EMT hauled into court for violating patient privacy - scanners played a role in this somewhere (I lost track of all the characters) - Tress's Corner VFD in Wisconsin 508 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:42am Subject: Supreme Court Versus Cell Phone Snooping hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/12/04/scotus.wiretapping/ Year - 2000 There might be another case out there somewhere dealing with some anti-Jewish people who got busted after a neighbor heard them on a cordless phone - or something like that 509 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:46am Subject: Copyrighting Scanner Traffic hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from Kentucky - this thread has been running for a couple of days --------------- ok then, SOME teams have apparently copyrighted their radio comms; how about Nascar itself for their various crews? If we were completely serious about this, I'd bet we would get permission from most (if not all) of the teams for FREE rebroadcast. (gotta take care of the fans) Has anyone ever heard of a FD or PD copyrighting their comms? I'm not completely familiar w/ it, but to tell the truth, it's the FCC reg about rebroadcasting that disturbs me the most. But the FCC doesn't appear to have any interest in enforcing it, the current proliferation of FD and PD feeds on the internet as an example. Does that FCC reg provide for rebroadcasting w/ permission? Don't TV and/or radio stations violate this reg when they use radio traffic in a news story? (I think Cincy stations did just that when 2 CPD officers were shot and killed, and the dispatcher was blamed for delaying assistance) How about the radio traffic you hear on COPS? As a matter of fact, there are a number of FDs and PDs that actually provide the feeds themselves. (I think it would be hilarious to see the FCC going after a PD for rebroadcasting its own comms! lol) The blame for Nascar Online charging for its feeds lies not w/ Nascar itself. I think it's Turner Sports who have the contract to provide the Nascar Online website (as opposed to ESPN, who ran the site last year). I wonder if Turner or RealOne (or whoever) has any exclusive deals w/ the teams for rebroadcasting rights? IF the FCC reg does NOT provide for rebroadcast w/ permission, isn't Nascar Online violating the reg? Personally, I have no problem w/ violating any law or regulation that I don't feel is constitutional or "just." (and no, I am not a member of any militia group...lol) I suppose I already did this when I made the KSP Richmond/Powell County "shots fired" recording available a few months ago. I reckon I also violated it when I provided (divulged) the recording to the director of Powell County Dispatch, because they did not have functioning recording equipment at the time. Here's a hypothetical question: If enforcement was left up to agencies other than the FCC, and KSP decided to come down on me for rebroadcasting/divulging the "shots fired" call, would they have a case since what I recorded / rebroadcasted / divulged was the trooper actually broadcasting on Powell's freq instead of KSP's? 510 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:53am Subject: From Indiana - A Webmaster Speaks hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email You know, we get requests for cell / cordless stuff all the time. There are 2 things we refuse to put on IndyScan: 1) Cordless / cell info (because it's illegal to listen to anyway). 2) Repeater inputs. There's to big of a risk of someone using the info to cause a problem. Some have told me in the past it's silly to keep the above info off the page. It might be, but I think it's responsible. My name is on the page & it's my responsibility (as far as I'm concerned) to keep things on the up-&-up.. There was a string of robberies around here last year & the bad guys had scanners (Trunk Trackers) & were using them for no good. It bothers me that they might have got all the info they needed off of IndyScan. Thanks for everyone's support. It's nice to have loyal "fans" of IndyScan. It wouldn't be what it is today without the effort of untold individuals along the way. You know, we used to be called "The Indiana Scanner Frequency Page" & only covered Central Indiana. My, how it's grown! Andrew IndyScan.com Webmaster P.S., Where are all the race frequencies? Hope to get some this weekend from those of you that go out to the track. I've got people knocking down the door looking for them! (ha ha)... ================= There was a long reply to this post - it came from a (retired) cop I think - he said that Chevy and Ford dont pull their products off the street everytime someone uses a car in a robbery, so the webmaster should be proud of what he does - and keep on keeping on - Peter S 511 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri May 10, 2002 11:59am Subject: More About Racing Teams Copyrighting Their Radio Traffic hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the Internet -------------- [I think this all started when someone requested that a live scanner feed be put up of the upcoming Indy 500 race - Peter S] ----------- race teams have copyrighted their transmissions, re: 'scanner chatter'. ------------- Can you point us to some documentation of this? How are they enforcing their copyright? ---------------- I unfortunately don't have hard documentation I can scan and show you, but (speaking strictly as a scanfan who has attended quite a number of races at Bristol and KMS) at least for the Winston Cup races a *lot* of the teams are actually making copyright announcements at the start of a car race..."This broadcast is copyright . Rebroadcast without permission is prohibited. Strong language may be used; if you are under 18, please obtain your parent's permission or tune to another channel." I am not 100% certain if some race teams are doing it to be facetious, but I do know DEI Enterprises (Dale Earnhardt while he was around, Dale Jr., Steve Park, Kevin Harvick, and Kenny Wallace as of this writing) had been making these announcements with the #3 car's frequencies since around 1995 or so, and they do it with all their cars now; Hendrick Motorsports also started doing this at the spring race at Bristol and I've heard several other teams (Tony Stewart's team, etc.) also making similar announcements. Again, I do not know if they are being serious, if NASCAR is making them do this to protect their "four random drivers, $10 a month" RealOne stream revenues (fwiw, this has *already* blown up quite badly in their face--many NASCAR fans online have vowed to *never* visit nascar.com *again* until they stop charging for RealAudio and RealVideo feeds and have gone to other venues such as http://www.thatsracin.com for news and commentary, and to the various Live365 and Shoutcast feeds at scanner races), of if they are trying to protect themselves from overvigilant parents who might be shocked that their kids might hear a race-car driver utter the Queen Mother Of All Dirty Words on the radio. To be honest, I suspect a combination of NASCAR pressure and basic "CYA" in case someone wrecks and curses and a Mad Mommy decides to sue the race team for the mental trauma suffered by Little Suzy hearing Tony Stewart colorfully describing how "that blankety-blank causing all the wrecks needs to be run into the wall" are the main factors here. (Pretty much nobody aside from DEI was giving the warnings before last year or so, and it's still somewhat uncommon to hear copyright warnings with Busch Grand National races.) I am also not personally aware of anyone who has been sued or otherwise ordered by a race team to not broadcast the scanner transmissions (in fact, one racer I'm aware of, Kenny Wallace, actually jokes about the scanner transmissions :). I honestly wouldn't expect most of them to sue unless someone made profit off of it, either (even DEI or Hendrick, which would be the two most likely to, if for no other reason than "defense of name"). If ANYONE were to be sued for scanner retransmission, I'd think it more likely that NASCAR themselves would go after the offender (for daring to give folks an alternative to paying as much as it costs for a Sportcat 150--at track prices which are inflated a good thirty bucks--to listen to all of four drivers). Again, I've never heard of it being done, but again, this is about the first year that there's been a major demand for scanner feeds from tracks (until this year, NASCAR themselves and several other companies provided both free and subscription feeds via RealAudio from the tracks--this is the first year NASCAR has gone to that abysmal RealOne stuff). I'd place this in a grey area. If you rebroadcast, I'd be very careful to not include any Fox or MRN feed frequencies (as those would frankly be the most likely to sue over retransmission). Then again, I have quite literally never heard of ANYONE being sued or asked to stop scanner retransmissions except in the specific case where cell phone calls were being streamed over RealAudio. A court order was attempted but, as it turned out, the party was in Vancouver, BC, and cell phone monitoring is still legal in Canada. :) A more difficult problem, I would think, is getting close enough to the track to be able to stream properly *and* receive all the transmissions. :) (Three main probs: a) Most racetrack stuff is relatively low power stuff; b) phone lines and broadband are probably somewhat scarce near the track; c) that damned KY mobile scanner statute. If you had an antenna with sufficient gain you could probably do it, though.) I will state that (from personal experience) a scanner with DPL capability is almost a must-have for serious NASCAR scanner listening. (Nearly all teams use DPL or PL anymore, and a goodly number of the commercial NASCAR scanner lists do list DPL frequencies.) The main scanners I'm aware of that will do DPL are the BC780, Pro92/Pro2067 (you may be able to get Pro92s cheaply at Radio Shack as they just discontinued the model and will be doing clearance sales on them) and Relm RE2000 Alpha; DPL cuts down on the interference a *lot*. For that matter, if you were to be streaming at the track itself, attenuation helps (to avoid use of those stubby antennas) :) [Mr XXX], who actually *got* into going to NASCAR races largely because of race-scanning and found I liked the cars :) (And who knows how screamingly funny the racers are, if occasionally just a bit potty-mouthed :) 512 From: "GeorgeF." Date: Fri May 10, 2002 2:02pm Subject: Re: More About Racing Teams Copyrighting Their Radio Traffic georgef2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Very interesting post. This year I had rebroadcast Driver/Crew audio from my website (www.MilAirComms.com) during the Daytona 500. Since I live less than 2 miles from the track it was easy for me to pick up the transmissions. At one time I had 160 people listening at onetime, most from the "LiveScannerAudio" group on Yahoo. This was the first race I had live scanner audio on my website however I've listened to other races at the Daytona track and have never heard any "copyright notices" on the driver frequencies including those used by DEI Enterprises. That isn't to say that I could have missed them but since I had one scanner locked on Dale Jr's freq the entire race it would be hard to miss. Since my Live Scanner audio was a big hit this year I plan on doing it again for the Pepsi 400 (July) and of course the Daytona 500 in 2003. If NASCAR threatens me I'll simply call the police and have the illegally parked BigRigs towed from infront of my house! Last year one team had an RV parked infront of my driveway for about 12 hours until Daytona Police were called. As per the police if its parked anywhere in our development we can have it towed as its clearly marked No Truck. I didn't make up the law, that was told to me by several different officers. George http://www.MilAirComms.com <- Daytona 500 & Pepsi 400 Live Scanner Audio 513 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:25pm Subject: Re: Supreme Court Versus Cell Phone Snooping nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/12/04/scotus.wiretapping/ > > Year - 2000 That case was already decided. The original defendant won. The Court ruled that the press are not criminally liable for publishing the content of an illegally intercepted phone conversation as long as they did not directly intercept it, even if they know that the original interception was illegal. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 514 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:26pm Subject: Re: Copyrighting Scanner Traffic nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > Has anyone ever heard of a FD or PD copyrighting their comms? They probably can't. Daily operational information of a government agency is supposed to be public record. > I'm not completely familiar w/ it, but to tell the truth, it's the FCC > reg about rebroadcasting that disturbs me the most. Does the regulation define sending something over the Internet as "broadcasting"? -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 515 From: public@... Date: Sat May 11, 2002 6:14am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Polk County Sheriff's Office :OR :Law Enforcement :Polk County Oregon :Database :http://www.polksheriff.net/id170.htm :Datbase of current inmates. Includes detailed charge and bail information. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 516 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat May 11, 2002 3:19pm Subject: Re: Copyrighting Scanner Traffic hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I dont know of any FCC regulation regarding rebroadcasting - but I believe that the Comm Act of 1934 says that the content of messages cannot be divulged. Of course the Judge in the Gass case decided that it is perfectly legal to intercept and divulge any and all non encrypted governmental radio comms. Bottom line - looks like we have 2 fundamental questions here - is it legal to intercept and divulge - is broadcasting via the internet considering divulging? 517 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat May 11, 2002 3:25pm Subject: Re - KY info hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I think that this is a slightly different post from the same party on the Kentucky list - I am pretty sure that there is a little additional info in this post that might be of interest. Peter S ------------ ok then, SOME teams have apparently copyrighted their radio comms; how about Nascar itself for their various crews? If we were completely serious about this, I'd bet we would get permission from most (if not all) of the teams for FREE rebroadcast. (gotta take care of the fans) Has anyone ever heard of a FD or PD copyrighting their comms? I'm not completely familiar w/ it, but to tell the truth, it's the FCC reg about rebroadcasting that disturbs me the most. But the FCC doesn't appear to have any interest in enforcing it, the current proliferation of FD and PD feeds on the internet as an example. Does that FCC reg provide for rebroadcasting w/ permission? Don't TV and/or radio stations violate this reg when they use radio traffic in a news story? (I think Cincy stations did just that when 2 CPD officers were shot and killed, and the dispatcher was blamed for delaying assistance) How about the radio traffic you hear on COPS? As a matter of fact, there are a number of FDs and PDs that actually provide the feeds themselves. (I think it would be hilarious to see the FCC going after a PD for rebroadcasting its own comms! lol) The blame for Nascar Online charging for its feeds lies not w/ Nascar itself. I think it's Turner Sports who have the contract to provide the Nascar Online website(as opposed to ESPN, who ran the site last year). I wonder if Turner or RealOne (or whoever) has any exclusive deals w/ the teams for rebroadcasting rights? IF the FCC reg does NOT provide for rebroadcast w/ permission, isn't Nascar Online violating the reg? Personally, I have no problem w/ violating any law or regulation that I don't feel is constitutional or "just." (and no, I am not a member of any militia group...lol) I suppose I already did this when I made the KSP Richmond / Powell County "shots fired" recording available a few months ago. I reckon I also violated it when I provided (divulged) the recording to the director of Powell County Dispatch, because they did not have functioning recording equipment at the time. Here's a hypothetical question: If enforcement was left up to agencies other than the FCC, and KSP decided to come down on me for rebroadcasting/divulging the "shots fired" call, would they have a case since what I recorded / rebroadcasted / divulged was the trooper actually broadcasting on Powell's freq instead of KSP's? ==================== I would imagine that the producers from COPS get permission from the PDs to air their radio traffic. I have noticed recently that they are bleeping some of the radio messages by playing bits of LAPD radio traffic. (I suspect that they have always heavily edited the radio traffic that you heard on the show - not to mention that you never see a cop getting lost - you just see them turn into the subdivision - and then magically they are right in front of the house) Peter S 518 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun May 12, 2002 6:20pm Subject: hrrp://www.crimereports.com hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.crimereports.com Looks like they are setting up a centralized registry of Email lists for dissemination of crime info 519 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun May 12, 2002 6:28pm Subject: RE: hrrp://www.crimereports.com dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is interesting. Again, a strange commercialization theme to an otherwise (okay, presumably otherwise) inherent duty of public safety to keep the public informed themselves. Here's what bothers me about these commercial solutions: The IT to support public notification via something as simple as a listerv simply isn't that complicated or expensive. Why any police or public safety department would not lift a finger to investigate and spend the miniscule dollars to establish listservs for the public on their own using their own resources is frankly, beyond me. There's nothing wrong with a private effort to re-disseminate information, it's the solution most favored when you stop to consider police don't broadcast their own news reports on TV, after all. But the fact is the cost and mechanics of listservs and web pages is so favorably different than the cost of television production, public safety lack of interest in doing so themselves is mindboggling. I work at a university where police reports are sent out across multiple listservs to the university community which is a brilliant example. I am sure once they started doing that it must have occurred to them there was nothing to it, and in fact, it was highly efficient and from a distribution standpoint, fair. I have repeatedly e-mailed the good people at HCSO (my local sheriff's office) to do the same thing, but seem largely ignored. The question to be answered is what HCSO will do when approached by a private company to "re-report" under the logistics of commercial advantage. Public safety can't do these things on its own unless someone making a buck offers to do it for them? C'mon. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com QUOTED--->-----Original Message----- QUOTED--->From: zerg90@... 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Date: Sun May 12, 2002 9:32pm Subject: Scanner Use By CHP hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Notice the entry at 855AM on the CHP weblog - a CHP officer heard via his scanner that the Los Angeles County Fire Department was enroute to a fire on the highway - and advised the CHP dispatcher of same. This occurred before any CHP officers had reached the scene. Peter S ==================== ["SB I5 JSO Templin Hwy" = Southbound Interstate 5 just south of the intersection with Templin Highway - ps] Incident: 0728 Type: Vehicle Fire Location: SB I5 JSO TEMPLIN HWY Zoom Map: Click Here Info as of: 5/11/2002 9:14:45 AM ADDITIONAL DETAILS 9:13AM - SIGALERT ON THE BLU 9:13AM - 1039 HOWARD SOMMERS ETA 45 W/LOWBOY 9:11AM - 1039 MEDIA [news media advised via telephone call - ps] 9:10AM - PLS ISSUE SIGALERT FOR ABT 30 MINS FOR SLOW LN DUE TO FIRE 9:05AM - 1021 JERRY S TOW NO HD LOWBOY 9:04AM - 513 BRINGING IN BREAK FOR 508 9:01AM - PER 78-508 THIS IS FUEL FIRE - GOING UP THE BRUSH 9:01AM - HD LOWBOY NEEDED 2 VEHS ON BOARD 8:58AM - VEHS SHUTTING #4 LN 8:58AM - NEEDS SB LN SHUT 8:55AM - 78-513 ADV [advises - ps] PER SCANNER FIRE [fire department - ps] ENRT [enroute - ps] SB SO TEMPLIN FOR BRUSH FIRE 8:49AM - 1039 LACOFD 8:48AM - R/S SEMI TRK ON FIRE RESPONDING OFFICERS STATUS 9:00AM - CHP Unit On Scene 9:04AM - CHP Unit Assigned 9:05AM - CHP Unit On Scene 9:14AM - CHP Unit On Scene ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 09:06 Subject: Brush fire North LACo E149 o/s SB 5 So of Templin Hwy fully involved tractor trailer spreading into brush winds out of north at 15 mph - SB Lanes of freeway closed at this time. Blue 12 470.4875 [radio freq - ps] ========================= [I noticed on the LAPD website under "Radio Communications" that their radio technicians are responsible for repairing radios, consoles, and SCANNERS - Peter S] 521 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 13, 2002 3:16pm Subject: This Is Too Funny hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Technology ------------------------------- ID thieves mine for gold on jail sites If keeping Social Security numbers off the Internet is a bit like trying to plug holes in a leaky dam, the U.S. justice system has left a floodgate open. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/750428.asp --------------------- Identity thieves are taking SS numbers and info of inmates from law enforcement / prison websites and from PACER / bankruptcy info 522 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 13, 2002 4:37pm Subject: Truckers Will Be Watchers hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/1454630/detail.html?treets=bos&tml=bos_9am&\ ts=T&tmi=bos_9am_534_08000105132002 Truckers will be given a toll free telephone number to report suspicious bridges 523 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue May 14, 2002 4:15pm Subject: Re - Birmingham Alabama hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I received a note from Birmingham - when last checked (1 month ago), there was no radio activity heard from Birmingham fire or police units on 460 Mhz nor 154 Mhz. So apparently all of the Birmingham public safety units have completely gone to the Southern Linc digital system. Peter S 524 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed May 15, 2002 0:17pm Subject: Faking Videos For Fun and Anarchy hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/135/metro/At_MIT_they_can_put_words_in_our_mou\ ths+.shtml MIT has developed a method to make people appear to say things on video that they never said -------------------- Perhaps we need to develop a Sael of Honesty / Openness for live scanner feeds - maybe even for the scanners themselves Peter S 525 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:21pm Subject: Newspaper Trying To Gouge Internet Users hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.eworcester.com/wirestories/online0512.html The Worcester Telegram in Massachusetts will begin charging $6 per month for Internet users. But they only need 20 cents per user per month to cover their costs. Their webcosts - $500K They bring in $250K from advertising Deficit on website - $250K They get 182K unique visitors per month - if they just charged each visitor $2 for the whole year, the paper would see a profit of $110K from just its website alone. What a bunch of thieves. 526 From: "GeorgeF." Date: Wed May 15, 2002 10:03pm Subject: Re: Newspaper Trying To Gouge Internet Users georgef2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Daytona Beach, FL paper is starting to do the very same thing. They have started giving you the first part of an artical and if you want to read the rest you have to pay...... George http://www.MilAirComms.com At 02:21 PM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote: >http://www.eworcester.com/wirestories/online0512.html > >The Worcester Telegram in Massachusetts will begin charging $6 per month >for Internet users. But they only need 20 cents per user per month to >cover their costs. > >Their webcosts - $500K > >They bring in $250K from advertising > >Deficit on website - $250K > >They get 182K unique visitors per month - if they just charged each >visitor $2 for the whole year, the paper would see a profit of $110K >from just its website alone. > >What a bunch of thieves. > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ______________________________________________________ I make Over $5000 per Week on eBay! Make eBay(tm) Your Job and Earn BIG $$$ ---->http://www.licensed4fun.com/ebay<---- ______________________________________________________ 527 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 3:39pm Subject: 97% Weather Reliable hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.wluctv6.com/Global/story.asp?s=781175 New radio system for Michigan State Police is being tested in the Upper Peninsula. The statement is made that the system will be "97% weather reliable". ---------------- I have been trying to find out where these statistical concepts come from. For example - "97% coverage 90% of the time" - what does that mean? - does it mean 81% overall reliability? (.9 X .9 = .81) I think this type of expression (X % at Y % of the time) is a result that you get when you apply calculus to / in statistical models. Peter S 528 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 4:36pm Subject: 2006 SCANNER MANUAL brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone know if there's a link where I can find a manual for the Radio Shack 2006?? I am selling mine and would like to provide a manual with it.. Bob Wb3dye 529 From: "WPO" Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:51pm Subject: RE: 2006 SCANNER MANUAL N1IPY@... Send Email Send Email Here's the link for online manual http://support.radioshack.com/support_electronics/8246.htm... Take Care all... Bill / N1IPY 530 From: "GeorgeF." Date: Thu May 16, 2002 11:01pm Subject: Re: 2006 SCANNER MANUAL georgef2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Try this: http://support.tandy.com/support_electronics/8246.htm George http://www.MilAirComms.com <-HF VHF UHF Miltiary Freqs and more! At 04:36 PM 5/16/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know if there's a link where I can find a manual for the Radio >Shack 2006?? > >I am selling mine and would like to provide a manual with it.. > >Bob >Wb3dye > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ______________________________________________________ I make Over $5000 per Week on eBay! Make eBay(tm) Your Job and Earn BIG $$$ ---->http://www.licensed4fun.com/ebay<---- ______________________________________________________ 531 From: "J GLASS" Date: Fri May 17, 2002 0:28am Subject: Re: 2006 SCANNER MANUAL y2k4us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Sorry but the link k is dead. JOHN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 532 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 3:47pm Subject: Robert Sanford Video Still Online hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.msnbc.com/news/aaattacks_front.asp I see video listed but no audio tapes 533 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 4:12pm Subject: Proposed Copyright Requirments For Webcasting hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.wrf.com/publications/publication.asp?id=83462282002 This apparently applies more to commercial stations and musical items - but I wonder if it will affect Webcasts of public safety radio traffic somehow someday. 534 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun May 19, 2002 0:03am Subject: National Public Security Radio Network dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Well I've done a cursory search on the internet for the system I've been describing for awhile now. There simply seems to be no momentum behind or easily findable information regarding the national development of a radio network that could very well save lives in times of national attack. This talk of what the government knew or didn't know in pre 911 days has activated my serious attention to what I had rather considered an ancillary argument of the Openness.org purpose. I don't know if I'm waiting for a proverbial ton of bricks to fall on my head or what, but obviously, this proposal should be a central and timely promotion of our cause. The government has asked American citizens like us to assist in the war against chaotic militants, and I think our unique message and this specific suggestion, would prove we carry a good medicine. Therefore I'm officially proposing, and I trust this will circulate, the development of a national public information security radio network identical to the radio system by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) for use in alerting citizens to weather emergencies. NOAA has built and demonstrated for decades a workable model for geographical notification of hurricanes, tornadoes, and other weather related anomalies. In today's digital environment, the radios used to listen to these frequencies have become better and more efficient. People can now have these radios and keep them off until a weather emergency occurs, at which time the radios "open up", often with a siren alert, to let people know of impending danger. It's a perfect model for today's world. The commercial media is simply not enough. We have handed the "duty" of public information and notification to profit-oriented interests which for a Thursday night is just fine. But NOAA resides and exceeds perfectly alongside commercial interests, pure of the profit motive, and so could this. Spooks, go back and tell your bosses. Advocates, seek to push this concept and herald examples of it when you see it finally emerging in headlines. Help to motivate the development of on-the-shelf projects that simply have been implemented. I can't believe someone isn't working on this, but if not, then take pride in the fact that perhaps this idea is an Openness.org original and timely contribution to America. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com 535 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun May 19, 2002 9:52am Subject: Re: National Public Security Radio Network brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In a message dated 05/18/2002 8:10:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, public@... writes: > the National Oceanic and Atmospheric > Administration (NOAA) for use in alerting citizens to weather > emergencies. NOAA has built and demonstrated for decades a workable > model for geographical notification of hurricanes, tornadoes, and other > To bridge the gap between radio systems there is no reason why NOAA radio can't be used for this purpose now--- Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 536 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun May 19, 2002 2:56pm Subject: RE: National Public Security Radio Network dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Indeed, actually this morning I *did* find such a system established in 1996 - sort of. It's called the Emergency Alert System (EAS) and technically it replaces the old EBS system. Thank heavens. The system is sophisticated, but from the text I'm reading it still goes to *broadcasters* who are counted on relaying it to the public. That's fine, but I certainly hope that average people will still be able to buy *specialty* receiving units that do nothing but receive these broadcasts. This would be more cohesive to the point about a government system linked directly to people. The system described uses Specific Area Message Encoding (SAME), and on top of that, uses different signaling for different threats. Local broadcasters can 'choose' which threats they want to open up to - again a decision made on an individual's behalf that should in some way be decided upon only by the individual. Now, the question at hand is why this system isn't being touted more aggressively these days? I should think some journalists would spot the timely nature of the two things and bring this system to the forefront immediately. If it's something woefully only being presented to broadcasters, it might be seen as an "industry development" rather than groundbreaking mainstream news. In the absence of specific receivers people can buy like NOAA radios, I suppose that's one reason if so. Also, can *local* public safety use the system to alert of high speed pursuits or other public safety threats not of national caliber? FOR journalists, I should point out this would be a great story suggestion for the next few weeks given talk of a new imminent threat. Why isn't this system being rapidly deployed to individuals in the wake of 911? Will people, not broadcasters, be able to buy special radios, or not? What's the story behind that? Information links: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/NWS_EAS.htm http://www.ncs.gov/n5_hp/Customer_Service/XAffairs/NewService/NCS9833.ht m Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com QUOTED--->> the National Oceanic and Atmospheric QUOTED--->> Administration (NOAA) for use in alerting citizens QUOTED--->to weather QUOTED--->> emergencies. NOAA has built and demonstrated for QUOTED--->decades a workable 537 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun May 19, 2002 2:58pm Subject: RE: National Public Security Radio Network dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Ah! "EAS codes can also travel on non-broadcast frequencies and telephone lines. EAS provides the option to allow new specially equipped cellular phones, pagers, and other devices, to receive an EAS alert and warning in case you are not home watching television or listening to the radio. In effect, these newly designed devices will "turn themselves on" to receive and deliver the emergency information." -- Good! Other questions as presented remain of course. :) Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com QUOTED--->-----Original Message----- QUOTED--->From: David Pinero [mailto:public@...] QUOTED--->Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:57 AM QUOTED--->To: Openness@yahoogroups.com QUOTED--->Subject: RE: [Openness] National Public Security Radio Network QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->Indeed, actually this morning I *did* find such a QUOTED--->system established in 1996 - sort of. It's called QUOTED--->the Emergency Alert System (EAS) and technically it QUOTED--->replaces the old EBS system. Thank heavens. QUOTED---> QUOTED--->The system is sophisticated, but from the text I'm QUOTED--->reading it still goes to *broadcasters* who are QUOTED--->counted on relaying it to the public. That's fine, QUOTED--->but I certainly hope that average people will still QUOTED--->be able to buy QUOTED--->*specialty* receiving units that do nothing but QUOTED--->receive these broadcasts. This would be more QUOTED--->cohesive to the point about a government system QUOTED--->linked directly to people. QUOTED---> QUOTED--->The system described uses Specific Area Message QUOTED--->Encoding (SAME), and on top of that, uses different QUOTED--->signaling for different threats. Local broadcasters QUOTED--->can 'choose' which threats they want to open up to - QUOTED--->again a decision made on an individual's behalf that QUOTED--->should in some way be decided upon only by the individual. QUOTED---> QUOTED--->Now, the question at hand is why this system isn't QUOTED--->being touted more aggressively these days? I should QUOTED--->think some journalists would spot the timely nature QUOTED--->of the two things and bring this system to the QUOTED--->forefront immediately. If it's something woefully QUOTED--->only being presented to broadcasters, it might be QUOTED--->seen as an "industry development" rather than QUOTED--->groundbreaking mainstream news. In the absence of QUOTED--->specific receivers people can buy like NOAA radios, I QUOTED--->suppose that's one reason if so. Also, can *local* QUOTED--->public safety use the system to alert of high speed QUOTED--->pursuits or other public safety threats not of QUOTED--->national caliber? QUOTED---> QUOTED--->FOR journalists, I should point out this would be a QUOTED--->great story suggestion for the next few weeks given QUOTED--->talk of a new imminent threat. Why isn't this system QUOTED--->being rapidly deployed to individuals in the wake of QUOTED--->911? Will people, not broadcasters, be able to buy QUOTED--->special radios, or not? What's the story behind that? QUOTED---> QUOTED--->Information links: QUOTED---> QUOTED--->http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/NWS_EAS.htm QUOTED--->http://www.ncs.gov/n5_hp/Customer_Service/XAffairs/New QUOTED--->Service/NCS9833.ht QUOTED--->m QUOTED---> QUOTED--->Dave QUOTED---> QUOTED--->David Pinero QUOTED--->Tampa, Fl. QUOTED--->http://www.davidpinero.com QUOTED---> QUOTED--->QUOTED--->> the National Oceanic and Atmospheric QUOTED--->QUOTED--->> Administration (NOAA) for use in alerting citizens QUOTED--->QUOTED--->to weather QUOTED--->QUOTED--->> emergencies. NOAA has built and demonstrated for QUOTED--->QUOTED--->decades a workable QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor QUOTED---> QUOTED--->To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: QUOTED--->openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 538 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun May 19, 2002 7:31pm Subject: RE: National Public Security Radio Network hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The FCC just released a document within the last month or two pertaining to EAS. They added more local type emergency codes (fires, gas leaks, explosions, 911 failures, etc). If you search at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/firerad2 for EAS you should see some recent postings on the subject. If that doesnt work - try searching at www.fcc.gov I get the impression that the FCC, media, and weather service folks are trying to beef up the present system. Peter S 539 From: "John Linko" Date: Mon May 20, 2002 4:21am Subject: RE: National Public Security Radio Network fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email I'm directly involved in these efforts in my area, and the local broadcasters are working with local OEM folks to add some of the newly authorized EAS event codes, i.e. "9-1-1 Telephone Outage Emergency", to the list of codes that the EAS boxes at each respective station will relay IMMEDIATELY. The local NWS folks have stated that NOAA is looking into ways to beef up the existing weather radio system to work in this regard as well. Only problem is that NOAA weather radio isnt available everywhere, particularly in rural Colorado. John MNN-009 N3RTS Grand Junction CO >From: zerg90@... >Reply-To: Openness@yahoogroups.com >To: Openness@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Openness] National Public Security Radio Network >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:31:03 -0400 (EDT) > >The FCC just released a document within the last month or two pertaining >to EAS. They added more local type emergency codes (fires, gas leaks, >explosions, 911 failures, etc). If you search at >http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/firerad2 for EAS you should see some >recent postings on the subject. > >If that doesnt work - try searching at www.fcc.gov > >I get the impression that the FCC, media, and weather service folks are >trying to beef up the present system. > >Peter S > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx 540 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 20, 2002 2:04pm Subject: Annanova Shutting Down News Alerts hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email [I wonder if security concerns factored into this change? - peter s] This is a reminder about the changes to the Ananova service, which we told you about by email last week. You will still be able to see the latest news at www.ananova.com, wap.ananova.com and pda.ananova.com. If you are an Orange customer you'll still be able to get news alerts, sent by text message, listen to Ananova's personalised news bulletins on your Orange phone, and see your personal page on the Orange web and WAP sites. From today Ananova users will no longer be able to get news alerts by email. We'd like to thank all of our users who have been registered for Ananova email news. The new service officially launches on May 28. For more information: http://www.ananova.com/about/story/sm_589259.html 541 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 20, 2002 3:19pm Subject: Arlington VA FD Live Scanner Feed hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://speed.nimh.nih.gov/listener/listener.html Virginia If it isnt Arlington County VA on 154.13 then it must be Alexandria VA on 154.43. It is the dispatch channel / home channel / inservice channel. Located right next to Washington DC. 542 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 20, 2002 3:23pm Subject: From the socalfire list hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Auto vs Ped - severe injuries w/ evisceration Reply to: SoCalFire@yahoogroups.com Auto vs Ped - severe injuries w/ evisceration - s/b 101 (Hollywood Freeway) at Cahuenga Blvd- unk cross st... Hollywood area. E76 E27 + ? RAs Channel 10 Additional injury also at scene - req additional RA... poss getting Rescue 41 (is there an RA 41 now???) This is also on Glenn's feed at http://members.101freeway.com/gmitch/feed.htm and Tracy's at http://64.172.222.186:8000 CHP CAD incidents: http://cad.chp.ca.gov/ii.asp?Center=LACC&LogNumber=3209D0516 http://cad.chp.ca.gov/ii.asp?Center=LACC&LogNumber=3164D0516 Harry http://www.qsl.net/n6uru/lafire.htm <~~ Fire Communications, Links and News Los Angeles City FD California 543 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 20, 2002 3:28pm Subject: Interesting Posts from Scan-DC hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:13:31 -0400 To: scan-dc@... From: Andrew Leyden Subject: [Scan-DC] DCFD back on the Net. I'm trying this again. I've set up a scanner with DCFD dispatch broadcasting via Shoutcast (MP3) out to the net. It's running on my home DSL so feeds are limited, very limited (like 3 or 4 users). I'll be tweaking with the speed to increase the number of users. Anyone with RealPlayer should be able to listen. http://www.penguinradio.com/nontraditional/scanners/ We took the feed off during 9-11 at the request of the FBI. When 9-11 hit, we had DCPD SoD on the air and we went from three listeners to nearly 200 in minutes. We borrowed bandwidth from a techno radio station (http://www.di.fm) and went up to nearly 800 users by the end of the day. That's when Di.Fm got a call from the FBI "asking" them to take the feed down. Turns out that people were listening to all the "rumors" and "lookouts" on the radio and were starting to panic, calling the DC police, FBI, etc. I'm all for "open air" but on that day I wasn't about to give the police anything more to worry about so we shut it down. Anyway, we're now back online with DCFD streaming on the net. -- Andrew Leyden CEO, PenguinRadio (202) 298-5989 (US) +44-0776-321-8457 (Europe) --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Steve Uhrig" To: scan-dc@... Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:30:11 -0400 Reply-To: Steve@... Subject: [Scan-DC] Telephone security breach Hi all, Tomorrow evening, Thursday May16th, at 11PM on Baltimore TV channel 11 (WBAL) there will be a taped segment airing where presumably a maintenance man accessed dozens of residential telephone lines in an apartment complex in Owings Mills, and ran up thousands of dollars in calls to 900 number psychic hotlines. The calls were charged to the various residents. I demonstrated, live for tape, how this was done. Nothing more than a penknife and a telephone needed. Interesting segment on security, or lack of, in telephone service at apartments. Anyone interested is invited to watch it. Shouldn't be more than 3 minutes or so. Steve ********************************************** Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ********************************************** --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:38:11 -0400 From: John Wilson To: XLTBOB Cc: Scan DC Mailing List Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Surveillance in Prince William County What you are hearing is the FBI Academy and/or DEA Academy agents in training at or near Quantico MCAS. The correct frequency is 172.200 mhz. and can be either a repeater mode with 171.450 mhz. input and 167.9 pl. or simplex on 172.200 mhz., 167.9 pl. This is one of several 170 mhz. range infrequently used frequencies for training agents in surveillance activities. It is a fox and hound type activity where agents in training role play and track a mock suspect. What you hear depends upon the training requirement for that particular day/week time period, if any. I am sure they now have the capability to go DVP, but possibility are using older non-DVP equipment dedicated for agent training. When they use the repeater mode I can hear it at my location approximately 90 miles south southwest of Fredericksburg. Don't get excited, it's all pretend. For "real life" situations, it is unlikely agents in training would participate and actual agents involved would use DVP comms. XLTBOB wrote: I have been noticing some surveillance activity in the Woodbridge/Dale City area on 172.205. There were several mentions of a "Jefferson Dorm" as the location of a package that someone had dropped off. Several weeks ago I heard mobile units following a vehicle from the NVCC campus in Woodbridge, onto I-95, then onto Rt. 234 in Dumfries. Anybody have an idea on what agency this is? I'm guessing it's probably a federal agency. If you're in the area, puch this freq up and see if anything is going on. Bob ______________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ______________________________________________ Scan-DC mailing list Scan-DC@... http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/scan-dc 544 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 20, 2002 7:32pm Subject: New Reliability Council hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email NEW MEDIA SECURITY AND RELIABILITY COUNCIL LAUNCHED TO STUDY AND IMPLEMENT EMERGENCY MEDIA COORDINATION. News Release. News Media Contact: David Fiske at 202-418-0513 MB. Contact Susan Mort at 202-418-1600 [This one will get Dave P's blood boiling! :-) - Peter S] 545 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Mon May 20, 2002 7:42pm Subject: Re: New Reliability Council nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > NEW MEDIA SECURITY AND RELIABILITY COUNCIL LAUNCHED TO STUDY AND > IMPLEMENT EMERGENCY MEDIA COORDINATION. News Release. News Media > > [This one will get Dave P's blood boiling! :-) - Peter S] I'm not sure why it should. The release talks about two working groups - one to discuss physical security (meaning survivability) of communications links and the other to work on coordination of communications paths. I don't see anything controversial in either venue. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 546 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 20, 2002 7:53pm Subject: Re: New Reliability Council hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ...seek solutions to problems.... [what problems?] ....address a variety of issues .....[what issues?] .....study means by which government and media communicate emergency and public safety information... not limited to EAS....[doesnt say limited to pathways] 547 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed May 22, 2002 10:52am Subject: Webcasters Face Huge Royalty Fees hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Web radio faces potentially crippling royalties NBC's Anne Thompson reports. http://www.msnbc.com/m/c/ctv_emailthis.asp?id=nn_thompson_radio_020520&0ct=-34d I am not sure if this report is still online or not - there may be a hot link to video here. 548 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed May 22, 2002 5:19pm Subject: Re - Media Reliability hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Check out "Any federal buildings..." about 20 paragraphs down where Mr Fleischer is taking questions. http://www.nando.net/special_reports/terrorism/transcripts/story/78955p-1105457c\ .html They are very aware that on Sept 11 a lot of bad info was fed to the public - explosions on the Mall - attack at Camp David - nuke plant in Pennsylvania hit - etc 549 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu May 23, 2002 7:16pm Subject: Anti Terror Legislation hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://mediccom.org/public/NADMAT/default.htm look under Legislative Initiatives - many references to communications here - both in the public info sense and the tactical sense 550 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat May 25, 2002 11:08am Subject: Connecticut Truck Crash hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is a Email that I received yesterday - it contains text, video, and a map. Peter S ----------------- From: emailnews@... (WNBC.com Newsroom) Date: Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:20pm (EDT-1) To: zerg90@... Subject: TRAFFIC ALERT: I-95 Crash Freezes Travelers In Their Cars ============================== Breaking News ============================== I-95 Crash Freezes Travelers In Their Cars MORE DETAILS: ============================================== Get The News You Want, When You Want It--Now In HTML! ============================================== Now you can get your e-mail news in our new improved format. These e-mails offer you all of the news you want, but are easier-to-read with colorful graphics. (Our HTML e-mails resemble a lighter version of our Web pages.) Go to to sign up now! 551 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun May 26, 2002 3:47pm Subject: Fauquier County VA Buys Motorola Digital TRS hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email You can visit the Motorola website for the press release - Fauquier County (pronounced Fah qhere) has purchased a $7.2M digital TRS 800 Mhz after 5 years "of research". If you recall, this is the place where a local citizen waged a long battle against the new system. Peter S 552 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun May 26, 2002 6:22pm Subject: Wanna Buy A Notification Network? hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subject: [N-B-N] NINN For Sale Reply to: Network_Breaking_News@yahoogroups.com Subscribers, Dispatchers, and Staff: This week I make a hard decision, The Decision to either close NINN, or to sell NINN. My time is running shorter and shorter every week with more activities and new ventures. I have found it hard to dedicate time towards NINN and towards the activities that need my fullest attention. I always want to make it all better than ever and loose track of my goals that are before me. Closing NINN would be the easiest choice, no worries no hassles except a lot of disappointed people. So I came to the conclusion that I would offer NINN to the highest bidder I guess is how I would put it. The reason I am choosing to sell NINN is that I don't feel that I would want to be reliable for some one else's actions if I just plain up and left NINN up and running, since it is in my name. NINN has never had any legal issues, or any other issues for that fact, it has been ran honestly and by hard working individuals. Anyways Heres the scoop..... Highest bidder gets the following: NINN.NET - Domain name NINN.ORG - Domain Name All content on the NINN System, including web design, links, users etc... News pro systems installed with user base on them. 1 Year free Rescue 3 hosting plan at http://www.rescuehosting.com Domain Names and site transferred into your name, as well as site content running PHPNuke system. (STAFF) - not guaranteed but you could talk to some of the current ones to see if they want to stay on. (1 Month) - support from myself to get you situated and into the system. And if you run into any problems, Ill try and assist. To Make a Bid Offer you can make a post at the NINN Message Forums, or post questions as well. http://www.ninn.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31#31 Payments will be accepted Via PayPal. Thanks 553 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun May 26, 2002 6:29pm Subject: Hams Use Scanners At New Mexico Jet Crash hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the emergcomm list ------------------ NEW MEXICO AMATEURS CALLED IN TO HELP FOLLOWING AIR CRASH JOHN Strain, K0HGW, and his brother Larry, N7DF, of La Luz, New Mexico, were called in May 15 by the Burro Flats Volunteer Fire Department to assist in search and recovery efforts after a German Air Force Tornado fighter plane crashed in the mountains near Alamogordo. THEY used a DeLorme topographic computer map to chart the GPS coordinates of the search and rescue crews and coordinated Air Force, county sheriff and news media personnel. US Forest Service crews who were called in to fight the forest fire that developed were monitored on multiple scanners. Communications were relayed through the sheriff's dispatch office, since many on-site units could not reach their repeater stations from the canyon floor. EARLY on the morning of May 16, the welcome news was relayed that one crew member had been located and was being transported out with relatively minor injuries. Firefighters reaching the wreckage at daybreak discovered that the other crewman had failed to eject in time, however. DURING the following day, N7DF remained at the US Air Force Incident Command Post and helped pinpoint the major crash features with his portable computer and GPS. Maps were printed out and provided to the US and German Air Force for documenting the incident. MEANWHILE K0HGW manned the Burro Flats Firehouse and provided support for the Forest Service firefighters. John Strain continued providing support into the weekend until the final crash recovery operations were assumed by the US Air Force. - submitted by Joe Knight, W5PDY PRECISION EMERGENCY AUTOMATED POSITION REPORTING SYSTEM (PEAPRS) TEST SET THE Air Force Research Lab, Rome (New York) Research Site, will be conducting an experiment using Amateur Radio operators as an auxiliary line of defense against aircraft disasters in conjunction with the annual Team Patriot exercise. The ARRL is co-sponsoring the test. THE test will consist of two aircraft flights some time between June 3 and June 8, 2002. During these flights the aircraft will transmit a distress message, using the call sign WA2ZXS. Amateurs wishing to participate in this exercise should, upon receipt of the distress message, send an email message to peaprs@... detailing the time, characteristics of the message received as well as the method they used for reception (direct, via digipeater, via wide relay, Web, etc). Those who do not have e-mail available to them may participate by calling their observation info into the PEAPRS Command Center at 315-330-7444. THE objective of this exercise will be to measure the timeliness and accuracy of the reports received from the amateur community. Amateurs that participate in this program will qualify for a special certificate from ARRL recognizing their participation. 554 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue May 28, 2002 3:35pm Subject: Levy Press Conference hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Note how this TV station is putting the Internet to work ------------------- From: emailnews@... (WNBC.com Newsroom) Date: Tue, May 28, 2002, 10:31am (EDT-1) To: zerg90@... Subject: LIVE VIDEO: Levy Announcement Due (11:45 a.m. ET) ============================== Breaking News ============================== Live Video: Levy Announcement Due (11:45 a.m. ET) Washington's medical examiner is ready to release the cause of death in the Chandra Levy case. Levy's remains were found last week in a Washington park. Live Video: D.C. Medical Examiner's Office Announces Cause Of Levy's Death (11:45 a.m. ET; Windows Media Broadband Only) Live Video: Family Memorial (2 p.m. ET; Windows Media Broadband Only) Interactive: Who's Who In The Chandra Levy Case? MORE DETAILS: ============================================== Get The News You Want, When You Want It--Now In HTML! 555 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue May 28, 2002 10:35pm Subject: Springfield MA Putting Computers In Cars hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.masslive.com/news/unionnews/index.ssf?/news/pstories/se528dis.html This article raises the issue of police messages being overheard by scannerists. Note - this newspaper has had a online live scanner feed of the Springfield MA PD for approx 2 or 3 years now. Note - if radios were equipped with digital recorders, then field units would have a means of reconfirming addresses without tying up the radio waves. Peter S 556 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed May 29, 2002 8:32pm Subject: The Lists Are Humming Today hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Lots of interesting posts today on the scan-L@... list and the scan-l@yahoogroups.com list based on a post to rec.radio.scanner regarding Transcrypt's anti-scannerist ad and website info. ================= FROM rec.radio.scanner: It would seem Transcrypt Secure Technologies has started an advertising campaign against the average scannist/volunteer firefighter: See their ad, "Who's Listening to you now" as shown on http://www.wpascanner.com/transad.htm jeez, encrypted fire dispatch!?! what's next? encrypted NOAA weather radio? ------------- I agree. Also, note that THEIR website is at http://www.transcryptsecure.com 557 From: public@... Date: Thu May 30, 2002 5:31am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! PREYING ON INSECURITIES OF SECURE OPERATIONS: A company specializing in communications appears to be demonizing scannists and the concept of open broadcasting in general. The company doesn't appear to acknowledge the 500+ plus lives that were saved on PATH trains thanks to communications in the clear on 9/11. It isn't that the company is selling scrambling systems to secure communications that's so apalling. After all, to enhance the freedom and openness of public safety radio systems you have to have refined methods for securing that communication which must be. It's that the company is subtracting any notion at all of the benefits of wide area transparency, pushing officials who are already hostile against the concept based on initially flimsy reasoning, away from rethinking the matter. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.wpascanner.com/transad.htm Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 558 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu May 30, 2002 0:40pm Subject: your ad brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Sirs: I recently spotted your ad. http://www.wpascanner.com/transad.htm It tends to indicate that ANYONE listening to one's radio system is a terrorist. I respectfully would like to point out that the majority of scanner listeners are law abiding citizens, who monitor police/ems and fire communications to know whats going on in their communities---Some are members of crime watch organizations who have used their scanners to HELP law enforcement catch the bad guys. How? We had one incident in Scranton, Pa where a description of a criminal was given out. A scanner listener spotted the suspect, called police and the man was apprehended. Don't get me wrong--I believe that certain comms, drug stakeouts etc SHOULD be scrambled. But the everyday comms which could potentially affect the common person should be in the clear. I am passing this on to other members of the scanner community and encouraging them to voice their opinions to you. Thank you for your time and attention. Regards, Robert Reynolds 73 New Alexander St Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 559 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu May 30, 2002 6:59pm Subject: Scanners At Airshows hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email On the Scan-DC list someone mentioned that a possible reason for the ban on scanners at air shows may be related to a incident where a bombing was done by remote control, and apparently a scanner was involved as part of the remote radio control link. Peter S 560 From: "David Pinero" Date: Fri May 31, 2002 6:58am Subject: COINTELPRO Bots... dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I posted this to usenet tonight! It's a bit off topic in terms of Openness.org issues, but does deal with the expressive structure of Openness.org as a campaign of activism: The FBI's announcement today that it would reactivate more fluid surveillance policies stirs up concern and worry among legitimate activists seeking to galvanize criticism against corporations and government policies they disagree with. The war against unlawful organized militants is a critical one to win if we ever want to enjoy a mall or movie theater again without the nagging suspicion we're about to be blown to bits. However, there were reasons that the restrictions imposed upon the FBI in regards to these free and clear surveillance strategies were put into place to begin with. From what I've read over the years, the largest set of reasons have something to do with engineering or 'neutralizing' movements in ideological clash with the US Constitution, policies, interests, or even individuals. Human beings we are, in time, no one with strong lawful validation and power of enforcement seems able to resist 'taking care of business' as seen fit with the full and mighty legitimacy of their agency behind them. By profiling the existence of and then festering unlawful proclivities among individuals or groups, agents representing the larger good (as whatever deemed so) apparently sought to short circuit movements long before they actually evolved into completely lawful public debates. Groups that openly represented violence, hatred, or criminal enterprise don't count in this context because we all agree such groups need to be thwarted. But, for many good groups surveillance could kick in and covert 'influencing' could begin even before such damning agendas were even established. It all depended on the individual whims and personal perceptions of those organizing such tactics. It could be as frivolous as a guessing game or a hunch. At worse, law enforcement attention could be a tool of revenge or economic furtherance for anyone offended or connected enough to focus it as such. Passive surveillance was one thing, but driving forces that lead to criminal activity rather than discouraging them, or limiting the personal developmental opportunity of designated targets, was apparently so rampant, restrictions were imposed. They had to be because democracy demands freedom of thought and freedom of communication. Consider the clash in terms of the very people making up activists and policing establishments: Law enforcement is an inherently conservative institution pre-disposed to eliminating effective influences that rock the status quo. Activists seek to be antagonists. Talk about oil and water. Strictly speaking all law and investigative agencies are merely upholding and enforcing existing laws, or operating within the parameters of laws to establish national security. But COINTELPRO proved how easy it was to craft legitamized ideological oppression into that mantra. Now that the door is open to these methods once again, those of us with unique though lawful and beneficial social messages to spread have reason to be concerned. Whatever benefit and security we reap from these more liberal surveillance policies as American citizens, they will likely progress into areas of abuse once the well-meaning self-scrutiny against such things wears off. It may take a decade or two, and likely another decade or two beyond that to "uncover" it, and still another decade or two to reimpose restrictions. If it plays out that way, that's a lot of good people falling victim to officially sponsored social penalty in the meantime. And, that's assuming that in 40 years we still think individual democratic principles are a good idea. It's proving such a burden for corporations today that one has to take pause over the very real possibility that we'll never really re-discover abuses for what they are as was done the first time in the 70s. One thought I had to help maintain the integrity and effectiveness of the benevolent activist's message on the internet is the establishment of COINTELPRO bots. I suggest that these bots, written by technical gurus at universities, organizations, or perhaps even law enforcement agencies themselves, would roam the net exactly as generic search engine bots do, and collect and assess the message of organizational web pages and other content. The bots would establish the COINTELPRO proclivity rating and as a general service, inform the webmasters automatically of what that COINTELPRO rating is for their content. This would allow activists to avoid falling into the purposeful, though more likely than not, merely thorough, net of law enforcement scrutiny and possible unjust interference against their message. I find no reason the FBI itself could not establish a public service website that allowed webmasters to enter their own URLs for examination. Hate groups and those advocating criminal enterprise would not likely be able to take advantage of such bots because they can't disguise their agenda or they wouldn't be one or the other in the first place, or at least not based on web content alone. For more information on the COINTELPRO dilemma in fighting militants, look at www.cointel.org . An official dispensing of current policy can thankfully be reviewed at http://www.usdoj.gov/olp/index.html#agguide . Bear in mind that state and local intelligence policies have been more liberal than the FBI in most cases all this time anyway. What's news in in all this is the federal scope. For why I give two cents, look at my own website www.openness.org , which is an advocacy site for the preservation of open public safety communications. As webmaster of a site that pokes and wiggles a stick directly into the bee hive hole of law enforcement policy, I've always felt particularly vulnerable. However, I think all activists and critics need to be looking out for their rights and the integrity of their cause even as they give a little to nail those who want our great nation wiped off the planet. Dave www.davidpinero.com David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com 561 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri May 31, 2002 11:42am Subject: Independent Media centers hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Last Sunday on the National Public Radio (NPR) show "On The Media" they were talking about Independent Media Centers. Apparently 20 or 30 of these websites have sprung up around the country (or world). A search at www.google.com will probably bring a few of them into view. Peter S 562 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri May 31, 2002 3:49pm Subject: Interesting Comments Re Transcrypt Ad hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/NEXTEL1 Some very interesting comments there yesterday (or today) regarding the Transcrypt ad - you should take a look at them - you probably have to sign up for the list to see the archives - but it is quick and easy. Peter S 563 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 0:28pm Subject: Breaking News Stories hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Many of the TV stations around the USA provide Breaking News via Email. Here are the items that I have received over the last month or so. The TV stations are in Baltimore (WBAL), Albuquerque, San Antonio (ClickonSA), San Diego, Sacramento. ===================== TheSanDiegoChannel.com Newsroom Thu 05/30 1k BREAKING NEWS: Westerfield Opening Statements Scheduled For Tuesday TheWBALChannel.com Newsroom Wed 05/29 1k BREAKING NEWS: Man Shot, Killed At Pimlico Bus Stop ClickOnSA Newsroom Fri 05/24 1k BREAKING NEWS: David Robinson To Retire thewbalchannel.com Wed 05/22 2k BREAKING NEWS: D.C. Remains Identified As Levy's ClickOnSA Newsroom Tue 05/21 1k BREAKING NEWS: Gunman Surrenders, Releases Credit Union Hostages ClickOnSA Newsroom Tue 05/21 1k BREAKING NEWS: Hostage Situation Erupts At Credit Union TheWBALChannel.com Newsroom Tue 05/21 1k BREAKING NEWS: One Person Shot By Baltimore Police TheNewMexicoChannel.com Thu 05/16 2k BREAKING NEWS: Body Found May Be Daniel Pearl's ClickOnSA Newsroom Wed 05/15 2k BREAKING NEWS: Archbishop Flores Denies Knowledge Of Priest's Alleged Sexual Rel... TheWBALChannel.com Newsroom Tue 05/14 1k BREAKING NEWS: Baltimore Catholic Priest Shot By Molested Victim TheWBALChannel.com Newsroom Thu 05/09 1k BREAKING NEWS: Governor Issues Moratorium On All Executions TheWBALChannel.com Newsroom Wed 05/08 1k BREAKING NEWS: Container Explodes Inside Baltimore Lab thewbalchannel.com Tue 05/07 2k BREAKING NEWS: Man Linked To Pipe Bombs Surrenders ClickOnSA Newsroom Fri 05/03 1k BREAKING NEWS: Man Shot In Home Invasion ClickOnSA Newsroom Tue 04/30 1k BREAKING NEWS: Duncan To Miss Game 4 Against Sonics ClickOnSA Newsroom Mon 04/29 1k BREAKING NEWS: Explosions Rock Downtown Manhole TheWBALChannel.com Newsroom Sun 04/28 2k BREAKING NEWS: One Person Killed In Charles Co. Tornado TheSanDiegoChannel.com Newsroom Thu 04/25 2k BREAKING NEWS: DA To Seek Death Penalty Against Westerfield [in murder of young girl] TheNewMexicoChannel.com Thu 04/25 2k BREAKING NEWS: Explosion Rocks Manhattan Building TheNewMexicoChannel.com Tue 04/23 2k BREAKING NEWS: Several Injured In California Train Wreck thewbalchannel.com Thu 04/18 2k BREAKING NEWS: Report: Plane Crashes Into Milan Government Building TheKCRAChannel.com Fri 04/12 2k BREAKING NEWS: Large Explosion Hits Downtown Jerusalem ClickOnSA Newsroom Tue 04/09 1k BREAKING NEWS: Jury Finds Ex-Cop Guilty TheNewMexicoChannel.com Mon 04/08 2k BREAKING NEWS: Israel Preparing Pullout From Two Cities 564 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 0:37pm Subject: 6 Civilians Honored As Heros in Boston hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/resc05312002.htm A lot can happen before the public safety forces arrive at the scene of an incident. If more civilians had scanners, and more radio systems were open, then probably more saves like this one would occur. The American Heart Association reports that 150,000 people per year in the USA could be saved by faster cardiac assistance. (Or was that 250,000 people?) Peter S 565 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 0:52pm Subject: Re: 6 Civilians Honored / Its 250K hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://216.185.112.5/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4478 This item from the AHA says that 250,000 people die from sudden cardiac arrest each year in the USA. (I think that they have stated that 150,000 of these could be saved by rapid intervention - this is probably based on whether or not the attack was witnessed by someone - if someone collapses and no one else is around, then a save is probably not possible based on the fact that no one wears a cardiac arrest alarm system). OK - so we need a system of people equipped with scanners that can pick up distress calls from heart attack victims. (If not scanners - then wireless system - government based or private industry based). 566 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 2:09pm Subject: Douglas County Colorado Fire Now Online hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.douglas.co.us/sheriff/ live scanner feed - realtime scanner audio - digital 800 Mhz trunked radio system - or maybe it is just a VHF paging channel for the fire and ambulance operations 567 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 3:56pm Subject: Baby Saved By Offduty Firefighter hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.activedayton.com/ddn/local/0529fire.html Fairborn Ohio - did he have a scanner? 568 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 0:34pm Subject: 800 mhz=outdated? texas brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email City officials continued with plans to install a new radio system for the Police Department last year despite warnings from a Jefferson County consultant that some of the equipment was outdated or being phased out of operation. Central Services Director Kirby Richard said this week's radio malfunction, which prevented police officers from communicating with dispatchers, was not a result of that problem. http://www.southeasttexaslive.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=2287&dept_id=481650& newsid=4301896&PAG=461&rfi=9 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 569 From: James Richardson Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 8:49pm Subject: Re: Douglas County Colorado Fire Now Online jimmnn2000 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >http://www.douglas.co.us/sheriff/ > >live scanner feed - realtime scanner audio - digital 800 Mhz trunked >radio system - or maybe it is just a VHF paging channel for the fire and >ambulance operations Its digital 800 Peter. Sheriff is also available at that link. Jim< MNN-001 Mountain NewsNet, Inc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 570 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jun 2, 2002 0:27pm Subject: Re - Beaumont TX hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.trunkedradio.net/cgi-bin/display.pl?sid=766 (you can see that they have been having trouble with this system) 571 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 1:20pm Subject: Re - Fairborn Ohio Incident hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Regarding the incident where the offduty firefighter rescued a child from a fire, I have received info that apparently a scanner was not involved. Reportedly the firefighter heard the fire call via a FD handheld radio. Peter S 572 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 1:41pm Subject: Misc News Items hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email For Openness list - thumbprint item For firerad2 list - auction item and eICU item For both lists - general historical items ====================== News ------------------------------- India, Pakistan leaders unlikely to meet India and Pakistan's leaders arrived at a regional security summit on Monday with little hope that the two nuclear-armed rivals would meet face-to-face over increasing tensions in the disputed Kashmir border region. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/753586.asp Newsweek: The hijackers the CIA let escape The CIA tracked two suspected terrorists to a Qaeda summit in Malaysia in January 2000, then looked on as they re-entered America and began preparations for September 11. Inside what may be the worst intelligence failure of all. A Newsweek exclusive. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/760647.asp WashPost: FBI changes search warrant policy The director of the FBI will personally review all applications for search warrants related to terrorism investigations under a policy change quietly put into effect weeks ago in response to the furor over obstacles that hindered agents here investigating http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/760866.asp ------------------------------- Business ------------------------------- Tyco CEO Kozlowski resigns Embattled conglomerate Tyco International Ltd said Monday its chairman and chief executive officer, L. Dennis Kozlowski, resigned for personal reasons and stepped down from the board of directors. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/761022.asp Moody's focuses on terror coverage Moody's Investor Service Inc.'s review of $5 billion in real-estate securities will increase the pressure on Congress to deal with terrorism insurance when it returns from recess this week. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/760868.asp USA tries to buy out public units USA Interactive is making an unsolicited $4.5 billion bid for portions of its publicly traded units it doesn't own to hasten its expansion into e-commerce. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/761002.asp ------------------------------- Sports ------------------------------- ------------------------------- Technology & Science ------------------------------- Using fingerprints to buy groceries Christopher Conrad cuts off telemarketers on the phone, regularly reminds direct-mail associations to keep him off their lists and diligently opts out of mass e-mail lists. But he was more than happy to give his fingerprint to buy groceries. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/760026.asp Air Force probes online auction The Air Force is probing an Internet auction of sensitive government aircraft communications equipment. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/760852.asp Sunflowers that produce rubber Researchers are trying to increase the amount of natural rubber produced in a sunflower from 1 percent to 10 percent. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/760065.asp ------------------------------- Living, Travel & Entertainment ------------------------------- Thoroughly winning 'Millie' tops all "Thoroughly Modern Millie," the Jazz Age tale of an ambitious flapper, won six Tony Awards including best musical., "The Goat," Edward Albee's comic drama about the unpredictable nature of love was named best play. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/760899.asp ------------------------------- Health ------------------------------- Hospital embraces 'telemedicine' So-called "eICUs" monitor patients far away from the actual hospital, the Washington Post's David Brown reports. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/760568.asp ------------------------------- Opinion ------------------------------- John McCain wannabes If John McCain doesn't run for president, there are plenty of Democrats who are itching to run on his image, writes Chris Suellentrop in Slate. 573 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 8:49pm Subject: Mont Co Chief Questioned About Openness hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the Scan-DC list --------------------- Message: 14 From: To: "Scan DC" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:50:25 -0400 Subject: [Scan-DC] Fw: Question about Scanners on Ask the Chief (MCPD) This is from one of our colleagues in regard to last week's WTOP radio show. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From an anonymous long time scanner listener and list reader: Below is a transcript of a question I asked on WTOP's "Ask the Chief" (MCPD, 5/29/02, 10am, AM 1500) about the new radio system (APCO25) and residents that own scanners. Due to the lack of an audio tape it is paraphrased from memory, as best I can recall. Please excuse any unintentional errors. I feel the gist and tone of the exchange is correct. It appears that WTOP will post an Real Audio archive of the show, but it was not available when I wrote this, as it takes a day or so for it to appear, at: http://www.connectlive.com/events/wtop/moose052902.html (I was the first caller with a question.) I do not intend to raise any critical issue, but rather inform the group that did not hear the program. I suspected, and got a non-answer, but my intent was (and is) to make the issue better known to the public. I think that the radio show is a great service to the community, airing citizen's concerns and providing greater access to local officials. The show has officials for PG, DC, VA, ... and has fire and police chiefs, governors, mayors, ... Go to to the link below to see past shows: http://wtopnews.com/ask_the/ask_archive.cfm Just to be clear, I do not object to his answer, it is fair and what I expected, and I generally approve of how MCPD is currently operated, and have great respect for the MCPD and Chief Moose. CALLER: "Please address how the new radio system will affect the ability of residents to monitor police and fire communications and your opinion if this is good for an informed public?" Chief Moose (paraphrased): "We are making the investment into upgrading our radio system so that we can have a better system for our officers and to better communicate with surrounding jurisdictions, (Fairfax Co., ...)." "As we are making an investment, so will our residents that wish to listen, they will also have to make investments in new radios." ANNOUNCER: "Caller, do you listen?" CALLER: "Yes" ANNOUNCER: "Will you buy such a radio?" CALLER: "Yes, but the radios are quite expensive, over $500, and do not even not exist yet." Chief Moose: "Our intent is not to shut our residents, and the new system does not do that, it is meant only to improve the communications of our officers and with nearby jurisdictions, ..." Listener: "Will there be a public access policy? Other jurisdictions, such as Fairfax County has such a policy." Chief Moose: "I am not aware of such particulars, but I will have my staff look into how other jurisdictions, such as Fairfax County, have handled this and make sure this is addressed." At this point they move on to the next caller. Disclaimer: The caller (this author) has no connection with WTOP nor the MCPD, other than as a long time Montgomery County resident. 574 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jun 5, 2002 10:09pm Subject: Snooping On Cellphone Calls Is More Difficult Now hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/business/3389603.htm?template=contentModules/pr\ intstory.jsp So this must mean that scannerists are less of a threat to society now. Peter S 575 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jun 6, 2002 4:08pm Subject: Alot Happens Before Police and Fire Show Up hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Passers-By Credited With Saving Stabbing Victim MORE DETAILS: One passerby tacklers knife wielding assailant - other passerby begins first aid on critically injured woman 576 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 0:28pm Subject: FL Hams Simulate 800TRS Failure hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I wonder why they simulated a 800 TRS failure? Was it because they expect the 800 TRS to fail? Did they simulate a collapse of the hospital? Did they simulate the tires falling off their cars? Did they simulate their radios blowing up? Answer - they simulated what they expect to occur. ================= Florida 2002 Tactical Search & Rescue Drill "Pinelands TSAR" Sarasota and Manatee County Amateur Radio operators provided communications assistance for the 10th Annual Sarasota County Search & Rescue Drill. On Tuesday, June 4th, Amateurs set up a 100' portable tower and Communications Trailer at the drill site. The tower would be used to provide Amateur simplex coverage at the drill site at the Laurel Road Landfill property. At 7:30 AM Wednesday, June 5th, the Communications Trailer was activated at the Command Post, utilizing Amateur, FRS, and 800 MHz equipment. At 8 AM, South County "Task Forces" staged at the Venice Police Department, Venice Hospital, Taylor Ranch Elementary School, and at the Community Center in North Port. Amateurs were assigned to each of these task forces. The "Task Forces" are designed to clear major roadways after a storm ... each having an "assigned" route to clear. This drill simulated an 800 MHz Trunked system outage, so Amateurs shadowed the "Task Force Leader" and relayed communications from the "Command Post". At 9 AM, the "Task Forces" received instructions via the 145.130 MHz Venice Repeater to deploy. Team members communicated with each other via VHF simplex, 800 MHz simplex, or FRS radios, while communications with the "Command Post" was maintained via the Venice Repeater. Once the Teams arrived at "check in", communications switched from the repeater to 146.580 MHz simplex. 577 From: "Isaiah Beard" Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 2:34pm Subject: Re: FL Hams Simulate 800TRS Failure ibeard@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:28 AM Subject: [Openness] FL Hams Simulate 800TRS Failure > I wonder why they simulated a 800 TRS failure? Was it because they > expect the 800 TRS to fail? Did they simulate a collapse of the > hospital? Did they simulate the tires falling off their cars? Did they > simulate their radios blowing up? Answer - they simulated what they > expect to occur. I'd have to say this comment is a little extreme, and I don't quite get its point. Would you rather they have shown an extreme indifference to the possibility and not done the drill? And for the record, if the agencies involved are worth their salt, then yes, at some point they will (and should) plan for and simulate the catastrophic loss of a primary care facility. Seeing as terrorists now have a newfound creativity, that's probably something we can expect to happen. And they should already have enrolled in a driving school that does make them prepare for such nasties as the throttle cable on their patrol car seizing up (the engine stuck at full), having to manuever around in lousy road conditions, and how to handle a car crippled by a tire blowout. And frankly, if they are not prepared for these things too, then I have no confidence in that agency. And what about analog systems? Are you saying people wouldn't need to, and shouldn't prepare for the unlikely event of their failure, too? The bottom line of the test, at least as I interpret it, is that the public safety angencies involved want to be sure they can count on their community recources in case their own lifeline fails. Aside from having an openness-unfriendly system, I still think the department should be applauded for actually getting hams involved and coordinating with them. Most other places would just try to muddle through, and any offer of assistance from amateur operators would be viewed more of as a threat, and as people meddling in their affairs, than for what it is, a genuine opportunity to involve citizens AND regain a communication channel to boot. At least they're doing *something* right. Frankly, I don't see the point of the above-quoted statement. I'm all for openness, but nitpicking like this just attacks the credibility of our side of the issue. It makes it seem like we're grasping at straws (and who knows, maybe we are?). 578 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 2:57pm Subject: The Struggle To Control The Internet hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Newsweek: The struggle to control the Internet Book Review: The struggle for control of the Internet is a modern version of the range war, says David Bollier. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/758513.asp 579 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 3:03pm Subject: Re - The Connection Show hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email www.theconnection.org - they just did 1 hour on the new DOHS. The show focused almost entirely on the intelligence gathering aspect of the new DOHS - there was no mention of response to WMD events or other safety incidents. They finished up by mentioning that most USAers do not want to see National policemen on every street corner with machine guns like you see in Turkey, Spain, and South America. 580 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 8:11pm Subject: Danbury CN Police Give Out Software hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Conn. Police Offer Software After Girl's Death MORE DETAILS: Dave P - this sort of sounds like your call for offensive governmental action via the Internet. 581 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jun 7, 2002 8:52pm Subject: New Motorola Radio Thrawrts Curiosity Seekers hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/LA/astro4250_eng.htm The new encryptian gear prevents the loss "of sensitive communication(s) to criminals, the media, and curiosity seekers." Would those "curiosity seekers" be from the Department of Redundancy Department? 582 From: public@... Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 4:29pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! MEXICO NOT AFRAID OF POLICE OPENNESS: It took dramatic charges of public corruption and a vicious confirming scandal to suit, but this Mexican police department is going to openly broadcast its Tijuana police stations via webcams. Public transparency is a noble and effective step at clearing suspicion of police work. The program, says the report, has been "cheered by locals" where it has been implemented. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020608/ap_wo_en_po/mexico_po\ lice_corruption_1 Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 583 From: public@... Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 4:44pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! POLICE CHIEF'S STAB AT DISTRIBUTED AWARENESS FALLS FLAT: ....And speaking of webcams and police, this chief had the right idea, but not the support. In an effort to curb vandals and rowdiness on one beach front, it was his idea to install a public webcam on one particularly vulnerable part of a California beach. Unfortunately, local folks didn't cheer this one! Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/latimes/20020607/lo/angry_residents_sink_police_chi\ ef_s_surf_cam_1.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 584 From: Openness@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 4:46pm Subject: New poll for Openness Openness@yahoogroups.com Send Email Send Email Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Openness group: With recent events being what they are, I find it necessary to exercise greater control over the Openness listserv once again. Which option would you most support? o No control, I like the list as it is. o Mandatory registration of members using full and accurate identification. o Making Openness a conduit for Dave Pinero (me) Newsletters and Headline updates only. o Disband the list entirely; Openness.org defies all reason anyway. ;) To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Openness/surveys?id=927946 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! 585 From: David Pinero Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 5:10pm Subject: Vote how to best control this listserv dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I am going to be exercising some control over this listserv. However, before I pick the preferred approach I'd like everyone to cast a vote using the Yahoo Groups Polling feature. You can cast your vote at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Openness/polls The choices are pretty straightforward, but here are the options I'm considering: * Leaving the list as it is. This exists as a vote, but it won't be a choice. I merely provide it to give those against any idea of control a way to dissent, and to measure that discourse. * Full identification disclosure for all posting/reading members. Right now, anyone can sign up with the list. Never mind they could be a criminal or a militant really digging information about open systems for their next operation, or a troll. Either way, their potential existence is a threat to the advancement of this cause and knowing who everyone is would help counteract those things. I would argue that among the supporters, there's really no value in remaining anonymous now. Going on record for Open public safety policies is not exactly the most controversial or riveting issue in today's world. I think it's something your boss could know and live with, and even praise you for. In fact, anonyminity is really the last thing we need to advance the issue. So, voting for this means you're willing to go on record with who you are. * Making the list a newsletter conduit for me, Dave Pinero. In this option, no-one can directly post to the list themselves though good news clips and highly relevant issues would certainly be forwarded along. Mainly you'd receive an occasional newsletter from me, as well as the headlines as they are posted on the Openness.org web site. You might like this if you think the group is too noisy or off topic. On the other hand you might dislike this if you prefer to provide list content unhampered. More recent members should know that the list existed in this state for approximately one year quite successfully. * Disband the list outright. Can't imagine why anyone would vote for this, but here it is. Please cast your vote. I'll wait until there are at least 25 votes. If we never get that many, I'll act on personal preference. Dave ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com 586 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 1:42pm Subject: YOUR ARTICLE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dear Tom: I read with interest your article concerning tow truck operators listening to scanners to get business. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/cities_neigh borhoods/philadelphia/3431469.htm I suggest you do a follow up piece concerning those of us who listen to police/fire and ems communications as a HOBBY and NOT for criminal use. I am forwarding this to several scanner e mail reflectors hoping that you will hear from other scanner listeners. There are no national figures available on the legal use of scanner radios. Do you honestly think companies such as Radio Shack, Uniden and a host of others would be in business if just the "bad guys" were purchasing the units? In my case I am a ham radio operator and my scanner listening is an outgrowth of that. I listen at home, at work and in my car. I like to know whats going on in my community, to be informed of things that for whatever reason don't show up in the local newspaper, to know if there have been burglaries/robberies or other crimes on my street. I believe that your article gave the impression that ALL scanner users are criminals which is certainly not true. In fact, some scanner use has HELPED law enforcement. About a year ago in Scranton, a police alert was put of for a man wanted for a robbery. A scanner listener heard the broadcast, saw the suspect on her street, called police and they nabbed him. At times the Lackawanna County 911 center will talk about people in "Scanner land" who have called them with information about crimes. Hows that for a bunch of eavesdroppers? Regards, Robert Reynolds 73 New Alexander St Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 587 From: public@... Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 5:57pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! STRONG SIGNALS POSTS APOLOGETIC TRANSCRYPT NOTICE: The Strong Signals web site (www.strongsignals.net) is posting what was provided to it as an apology from Transcrypt Secure Technologies. Secure communication technology is critical to ensuring the future of open public safety systems. However, Transcrypt's print ad campaign (see link to ad lower on the Openness.org Blog Page) alluded that wide area open access to general communication was inherently "bad". Obviously scannists and Openness.org took serious objection to this, and if the letter is true, Transcrypt tipped its hat apologetically. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.strongsignals.net/access/news/news.cgi?type=single§ion=misc&entry\ =586 Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 588 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 11:44pm Subject: Re: Vote how to best control this listserv nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > * Full identification disclosure for all posting/reading members. Right > now, anyone can sign up with the list. Never mind they could be a I have voted, but since everyone who votes is identified by email address in the poll results, and because I have a question, I would like to explain my vote. I voted for the first option - no change. My reason is because I find the other options unpalatable. The second option, partially quoted above, seems reasonable on the surface but leads to my question. Does this "full identification" go beyond the fact that everyone joining a Yahoogroups list must create a user account on Yahoogroups which renders them identifiable? Will each subscriber to Openness be compelled to open a second Yahoogroups account just for participating in the Openness list? My vote is predicated on the answer to these questions being 'yes.' I have enough accounts, identifiers, usernames, and passwords already, including the one at Yahoogroups. My existing user profile should suffice. If, on the other hand, the option means something less onerous, then I would be inclined to change my vote. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 [and who in this venue does not know who I am already?] 589 From: David Pinero Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 11:48pm Subject: Are you out of your mind? dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email "Don't cheer yet?" What would be so cheerful about police and other public safety agencies tuning out the public? Public threats are public business, not public safety business. Your article assumes a predisposition that scannists are bad people, and scanners are generally more instrumental in criminal enterprise than life saving heroics or in enhancing a free society by keeping public threats transparent. Scanners dramatically reduced the death toll during the World Trade Center attacks, so if it's better to have 500 people dead so tow truck drivers won't fistfight from time to time, then your article has a bizzarre logic about it. Your stories from old-timers about burglars using scanners appear anecdotal. I assure you that when it comes to referencing legend as substance for case, scanners have their own positive stories. There are countless listserves and internet resources out there that you could have used to defray the negative picture you seem so charged to paint. Actually, the police department in this case did the right thing initially. It identified a problem with its largely open system and corrected it by moving information that really could be exploited by short term profiteers, and separating it out using enhanced technology. Why you ascribe any positive outcome to the possibility of them moving further away from the public with their signals and forfeiting more power to criminals and fanatical militants is beyond me. Well, anyway, maybe the chief will give you exclusive access to the next big accident now that you've softened up the PR behind them going digital. Your information's a little more premium if the public can't get to it before you can, isn't it? Dave www.openness.org ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com 590 From: David Pinero Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 0:27am Subject: Re: Vote how to best control this listserv dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Excellent point. Yahoogroups does in fact exercise some control in its very subscription process. That level of control is great for corporate attorneys and law enforcement interests who COULD, in a worse case scenario, track down someone if in some fantastic way their presence on the list or affiliation with this group proved legally potent in any way. However, that process is far from what it means to be in *personal* control of what gets transmitted to and fro, or the quality of my relationship with the people who identify with some aspect of the cause. It also does not discourage hostile public safety agents or radio manufacturers bent on, say, COINTELPRO-like operations (www.cointel.org). If anyone remembers ListBot, the service hosting the Calling All Citizens list a few years ago, it was an identical service to this but which allowed for certain questions to be prompted for before members were approved for entry into the list. Those questions could include name, telephone numbers, and whatever the heck else was necessary for the moderator to feel as empowered as the ListBot company or potential prosecuting entities. Too, I'm offering the possibility of exercising more personal control over the cause in general, in discussing more control of the list. If Yahoogroups has such a feature, it will be activated, members provided an opportunity to provide whatever information is required - which will include telephone numbers and physical addresses. If it doesn't, I'll simply erect a registration page that collects that information, presents it to my database, and approve those members who are otherwise pending during the registration process. In doing so, the "cause" will take on much greater validity and accountability. It's done this way by at least one successful listserv dealing with monorails (go figure), and while I was angst to do it, I was more compelled to provide the information than not for the pleasure of reading what monorail enthusiasts across the country were saying. This particular group advocates the advancement of monorail development, and I firmly believe the quality of its membership and action agenda is greatly embellished by the fact that everyone a part of it cared enough to present themselves as a real person to the monorail zecs, rather than a destination merely validated by the mechanism handling the transmission of their messages. Sort of a difference there. That's the best plug I can give it here and now, though all positions are understandable. Dave --- "David T. Stark" wrote: > > * Full identification disclosure for all posting/reading members. > Right > > now, anyone can sign up with the list. Never mind they could be a > > I have voted, but since everyone who votes is identified by email > address in > the poll results, and because I have a question, I would like to explain > my > vote. ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com 591 From: David Pinero Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 0:37am Subject: Whoops, votes reset. dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I noticed Dave's comments about the voting process revealing e-mail addresses was correct. I didn't mean for this to be and reconfigured the poll NOT to show e-mail addresses. However, in the process, the darned thing reset the poll. At the time, there were 4 votes total: 2 saying they liked the list as-is, and 2 for mandatory registration. I would ask those people revote but will certainly have intent in mind when the time comes to decide. The voting booth is again: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Openness/polls Dave ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com 592 From: public@... Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:30am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! CITIZENS RELYING ON SCANNERS TO PROTECT AGAINST NEW THREATS: This piece reminds us how valuable police scanners can be in times of insecurity. Public radio systems in many locales are publically funded and operated. With the new threat of organized militants, many citizens are getting their money back in spades by taking advantage of knowing about the threats that confront them daily via police scanner. Openness.org advocates police scanners distributed directly to the public. Unfortunately, many areas of the country are doing the exact opposite by adopting hostile public scanning attitudes. And so far, no federal agency a part of the new homeland security effort has come out with a statement for or against police scanners at all. For many people, it's about common sense though. Open, wide-area distribution of the same threats that affect pulic safety and on-scene victims, can help to shore up against the same threat immediately.

One part of the report reads: "Now, sales of scanners and shortwave radios have increased. Mr. Smith sees his scanner as a way to get first word of an attack anywhere near his home 10 miles south of Dayton. He said the scanner will enable him to react quickly. “I would just like to have a heads-up,” he said. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://enquirer.com/editions/2001/10/13/loc_police_radio.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 593 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 9:08pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I did see a article that said that Homeland Security wants a smooth and secure radio network - presumably that means that all DOHS radio traffic will be encrypted. And since interoperability is a priority, I would not be surprised to see encryption forced on local public safety agencies nationwide. 594 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:00am Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > I did see a article that said that Homeland Security wants a smooth and > secure radio network - presumably that means that all DOHS radio traffic > will be encrypted. And since interoperability is a priority, I would not > be surprised to see encryption forced on local public safety agencies > nationwide. "Secure" has a number of possible meanings. I did not see the article in question, so I won't guess what they might have meant. DOHS will have to operate in the real world, where fulltime encryption is still more trouble than it's worth. There are other ways to protect information that must be discussed over the radio, such as careful use of language. Homeland Security (and other public safety officials) should learn that not everything needs to go over the radio, nor does every single person in every organization need their own personal transmitter. Our public servants have gotten to be extremely lackadaisical about communication procedures in recent years, due in large part to allegedly "secure" radio systems they've been sold. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 595 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:44pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dave S - I have to disagree with you strongly. I think that encryption is coming on strong and openness is the last thing on any public officials mind. Lackadaisical or not - thats the way it is. Peter S 596 From: "John Glass" Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:44pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted y2k4us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Absolutely.Anyone who believes that all public comms won't be closed to other than official recipients is related to the proverbial osterich. Paranoia rules! JRG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 597 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 1:55pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > Absolutely.Anyone who believes that all public comms won't be closed to other than official recipients is related to the proverbial osterich. > Paranoia rules! It is not just a matter of psychology. Physics and economics will play their part, and my money is on economics as the prime mover. With the government, it always has been. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 598 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:07pm Subject: Kosovo Spy Plane Video Monitored hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email News ------------------------------- Denver-area blaze slowing down Firefighters attacked the huge wildfire outside Denver on Wednesday, taking the offensive as the 90,000-acre blaze slowed its advance. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/763669.asp Padilla 'associate' in custody At least one associate of Jose Padilla, accused of plotting to detonate a "dirty bomb" in the U.S., has been taken into custody and is being questioned in a foreign country, sources told NBC News Wednesday. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/764658.asp U.S. spy imagery viewed by civilians A British satellite enthusiast has discovered that anyone can tune in live to U.S spy plane transmissions. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/766299.asp ------------------- If anyone sees this spy plane story anywhere else, can you drop me a note? I figure that for every network that carries this story, another 5,000 PDs in the USA will request encryption gear in their next budget. 599 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 10:43pm Subject: NYC Drops Gag Rule hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email It took me a long time to figure out what they were saying in this article. Apparently the change allows "off duty" members to talk to the press - but only certain "on duty" members can talk to the press. =================== NYC - City Gag Rules on Way Out http://www.mostnewyork.com/2002-06-13/News_and_Views/City_Beat/a-154174.asp City Gag Rules on Way Out Gag orders that ban city employees from speaking with the press are being revoked, officials announced yesterday. At the urging of the New York Civil Liberties Union, the city's Law Department plans this week to rescind a gag order on employees of the Emergency Medical Service. Similar bans imposed by the Fire and Correction departments are also expected to be thrown out, officials said. "This is a major win for city employees who want to call public attention to misconduct by city agencies," said Christopher Dunn, the Civil Liberties Union's associate legal director. Recent court decisions favorable to whistleblowers and an effort to avoid expensive litigation have led the city to ensure that its media rules are constitutional. The city can still ban employees from publicizing confidential matters and insist that only certain staffers speak for an agency, lawyers said. Paramedic Richard McAllan, who sued over the EMS gag order, said: "I'm anxious to see this as a permanent change that brings the city into compliance with the First Amendment." Alice McQuillan 600 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 15, 2002 0:20pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The joint Springfield (Mo.) and Greene County 800 MHz trunked radio system will be completed by the end of June and will begin serving the City Utilities, city public safety agencies, the sheriff and county highway department. The $18.5 million, 7-site, 18-channel digital system will accommodate another 7 county agencies and 12 rural fire protection districts later in the year. The simulcast system will eventually support 1,750 mobile and portable radios and cover 675 square miles using 16 Centracom Elite consoles. -------------------------- The Alabama state legislature approved a 2003 budget for the Department of Public Safety that includes funding for a mobile data system and portable radio system that will increase coverage from the current 65% to 95%. -------------------------- Pennsylvania Gov. Mark Schweiker signed legislation to allow law enforcement officers to record the audio portion of vehicle stops. Previously, the law allowed only silent video to be recorded from in-car cameras. Oddly, the State Homeland Security Director Earl Freilino put a terrorism spin on the legislation, saying, "Think about one of our troopers, during the course of routine patrol, happening upon and apprehending a suspected terrorist," Freilino said. "An audio recording could prove to be a powerful piece of evidence in a court of law and could strengthen a case against a defendant seeking to do harm. Audio recordings will help us keep that person behind bars and out of our communities." Oh... one more thing. An officer recording is required by the law to inform the occupants that the encounter is being recorded. -------------------------- Faced with a pirate radio violation and no was to prosecute, the city of Albuquerque has filed suit in state District Court against a man who used a police radio to make false calls, which sent units on a search for a wounded officer. The man found the radio while working on construction at an officer's home and radioed that he had shot an officer. Police said their response cost about $5,700, and they sued for that amount, plus a punitive $15,000 to $100,000 amount. "We really need to send a message," said mayor Martin Chavez 601 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 1:23am Subject: Fairfax (VA) offers electronic alerts nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Story in "Government e-business" section of FCW.COM: http://www.fcw.com/geb/articles/2002/0617/web-fair-06-18-02.asp 602 From: "livescanneraudio" Date: Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:10am Subject: Newbie in Group livescannera... Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Looking forward to learning about this group. Randy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LiveScannerAudio http://livescanneraudio.webhop.org 603 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:54pm Subject: How Closed Radio Systems Get Built hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.newsadvance.com/MGBIPUN9L2D.html 604 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:15pm Subject: CBS News Last Night hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email On the Dan Rather TV News last night you could just barely hear a little air to air radio traffic as the reporter read the script and rolled the video on the various Western wildfires. 605 From: James Richardson Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:29pm Subject: Re: CBS News Last Night jimmnn2000 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >On the Dan Rather TV News last night you could just barely hear a little >air to air radio traffic as the reporter read the script and rolled the >video on the various Western wildfires. Also live feed for the Hayman Fire in Colorado available at http://scanner.wcox.com:8000/listen.pls Jim< MNN-001 Mountain NewsNet, inc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 606 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:36pm Subject: Billy Tauzin hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email PBS's Frontline did a story on the accounting industry implosion last night. Billy Tauzin figured prominently. He sent a letter to the head of the SEC a few years back to prevent the SEC from banning accounting firms from doing consultanting work for their clients. The result - Enron. Peter S 607 From: public@... Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 2:42am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! FREELANCE JOURNALIST JAILED BY DIAGREEING JUDGE: The story of Paul Trummel has been fairly well circulate now. Apparently Trummel tapped into the publishing power of the web to distribute his commentary and other writings, only to be jailed for it. Central questions in his persecution include whether or not he was actually publishing anything, whether or not he is a journalist, and who gets to decide these questions - as if the Constitution hadn't already. This site approaches this story from that angle, and offers up disturbing proof how increasingly acceptable it is to divide commentators into "legitamite" or "non-legitamite" groups. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.freepaultrummel.com/ Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 608 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:52am Subject: ANOTHER near miss courtesy 800 mhz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Firefighters have criticized the $5.3 million Motorola system for failing in emergencies since it was brought on line in January 2001. During an April 28 house fire in the 1300 block of Emerson Street NW, a firefighter working in an attic fell through the floor. He was not injured, but his radio failed when he called for help. Firefighters working nearby heard him scream and rescued him. http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20020622-262160.htm 609 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:38pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dave - what is the subject of Mr Trummel's ContraCabal website? Peter S 610 From: David Pinero Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:51pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email He's got some beef about the federally subsidized institute that takes care of him. The only weak point in his case seems to be that he insists on posting personal phone numbers. However, the articles I've read never make clear if they are published numbers or not. Dave --- zerg90@... wrote: > Dave - what is the subject of Mr Trummel's ContraCabal website? Peter S > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com 611 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 6:39pm Subject: No Openness For New DOHS hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020622-42082444.htm no whistle blower safety for employees - no FOIA requirements - they are diving deep I heard a story on WBZ AM Boston this morning reporting that FDNY has banned all of its firefighters from telling anyone about the Fire Departments (FDs) operations because many USA FDs have been receiving Emails from foreign universities requesting info on resources and emergency travel routes Believe it or not - I can actually believe that info like that would be very usefull to terrorists. It has always been one of my unspoken concerns. Its going to get really boring on the Internet I am afraid. For a while at least. Maybe we can focus are efforts on encouraging normalization after the terror scare abates. Peter S 612 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:09pm Subject: Re: New Openness Headline Posted hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I remember getting a Forest Fire Mobilization Plan from the US Forest Service in Washington State about 10 years ago. I think that I had requested it under the FOIA. Someone had gone thru the 300 pages of material and blacked out all of the home phone numbers and radio freqs. At the time I thought it was hilarious because I couldn't picture myself making crank calls to forestry technicians who lived in the middle of East Backwoods Washington. Maybe they thought I was a ecoterrorist or something. I just wanted to see what fire fighting resources they had. Peter S 613 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:25pm Subject: Score 1 For a MA Scannerist hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This was posted to the sme2 list (Eastern Massachusetts) Date: Fri, Jun 21, 2002, 5:56pm To: sme2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [sme2] Man listening to police scanner helps cops catch suspect Reply to: sme2@yahoogroups.com In this evenings Lowell Sun there is an article about a man in Pelham NH (just to the north of Lowell) who was monitoring his police scanner and heard the description of a wanted suspect. About 2 hours later the man listening to the radio saw a person matching the description of the bolo and [it] ended up being the suspect and he was taken into custody be the Pelham NH PD on domestic charges. Just think - if Pelham NH was on digital like so many other communities, this suspect could still be out there causing harm. Good Job scanner listener. This article was only in the print edition or I would of posted a link. 614 From: David Pinero Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:25pm Subject: Re: No Openness For New DOHS dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Well, Openness.org, since it exists, has an obligation as I see it to keep up the backbone of advocacy through these trying times. Lots of folks will make policy and ignore the message which is simply the system working as it should (we can only be right, not necessarily listened to!), but the volume of concern over organized militants should only squelch the message for a time, not eliminate it. The message should not change course. In following it, the best question Openness.org can put forward these days is how can police scanners and the concept of open government and public safety can thwart militants rather than aid them? I registered PENTBOMB.CC and HOMELANDDEFNSE.CC not too long ago to supplement researchers exposure to the debates post-911 crackdowns would generate, fearing exactly what you seem to be expressing now. These domains, buzzwords at the time but which never really took off, point to Openness.org. My guess about those e-mails you mention is that a mass anti-American mindset has accrued overseas in different pockets. What appear to be messages glaring of terroristic intent are actually wise-ass students contributing to America's perceived imminent downfall by aggravating fears. C'mon, a fire commander receives an e-mail asking about operational procedures from a foreign source at a time when organized militants in this country are making all the headlines? The sender knows a worried receiver will report this and fuel a rolling panic that, with any luck, will hit the media wires and magnify effect a hundred times more. Not too shabby for a few minutes work through Hotmail, eh? If common operations become secret, then we really are on the eve of implementing mass anti-witnessing laws which police scanners, for instance, are merely a convenient means to. Many feel that secrecy and closure between national intelligence agencies contributed more to the attack on 9/11, after the contribution of the perpetrators and their twisted intent. When you consider the PATH train story where an operator overheard the WTC chaos on a police scanner and shut the trains down before feeding hundreds of new victims into the heart of the bloodbath, it was all open public safety systems could do to save what they could. I registered Openness.org as a flagship to promote open public safety radio systems. Now the entire concept of open government has taken on profoundly deeper scrutiny, and because of this, the domain and its associated cause a profoundly more important place on the stage of worldly events. At a personal level, like it or not for me, I have a greatly expanded responsibility that I'm sure will test me time and time again in the next few years. Dave --- zerg90@... wrote: > http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020622-42082444.htm > > no whistle blower safety for employees - no FOIA requirements - they are > diving deep > > I heard a story on WBZ AM Boston this morning reporting that FDNY has > banned all of its firefighters from telling anyone about the Fire > Departments (FDs) operations because many USA FDs have been receiving > Emails from foreign universities requesting info on resources and > emergency travel routes > > Believe it or not - I can actually believe that info like that would be > very usefull to terrorists. It has always been one of my unspoken > concerns. > > Its going to get really boring on the Internet I am afraid. For a while > at least. Maybe we can focus are efforts on encouraging normalization > after the terror scare abates. Peter S > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com 615 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:01pm Subject: 2 MSNBC Items hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Newspapers eye wireless future Newspapers are in position to take advantage of wireless technology that can reach readers through cell phones and personal digital assistants, a newspaper executive told a conference of news technology managers Sunday. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/771262.asp ----------------------- Living life at high speed Americans who use a high-speed Internet connection at home tend to go online more often, stay there longer and become actively involved in creating their own content, a study of Internet users found. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/770478.asp 616 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:09pm Subject: Mr Bush's Remarks hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email President Bush just finished speaking approx 1 minute ago - and this Email just leaped into my mailbox. Assuming that they webcast his remarks live, and assuming that this link allows the event to be viewed at will - what more could you want from your news media? Besides a little openness of course. :-) ============ From: emailnews@... (WNBC.com Newsroom) Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 3:03pm (EDT-1) To: zerg90@... Subject: LIVE VIDEO: Bush Unveils Proposal For Palestinian State ============================== Breaking News ============================== Live Video: President Bush Announces His Mideast Peace Initiative (Windows Media Broadband Only) MORE DETAILS: ============================== 617 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:13pm Subject: Voting with Rocks hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Do you think these folks have the ability to monitor the radio traffic of their local public safety units? from Australian Broadcasting Iran's quake survivors say help came too late* Survivors of a powerful earthquake in northern Iran have thrown stones at a Government Minister's convoy, saying rescue teams came too late to save scores of villagers buried alive in the rubble. Thousands of Iranians have spent a second night outdoors in near-freezing temperatures after entire villages were demolished. Measuring 6.3 on the Richter scale, the quake struck early on Saturday, killing at least 222 people, most of them women, children and the elderly while men were working in the fields and vineyards. The Red Crescent revised the death toll down from an earlier estimate of 500 people, saying some of the injured had been mistakenly counted among the dead. But residents in the mountainous province of Qazvin, epicentre of the earthquake, said they believed the death toll was much higher. Qazvin's governor said his office had already issued 500 burial permits. Angry survivors in Avaj, a town of 3,600 people which suffered the heaviest casualties, pelted Interior Minister Abdolvahed Mousavi-Lari's convoy with stones, accusing authorities of failing to respond in time to save victims trapped in the wreckage of their homes. "My child died and the local people helped me to bring him out of the rubble. Only local people are helping," said one man in Avaj, 200 kilometres west of the capital Tehran. [some people vote with their wallets - some people vote with their feet - some people vote with rocks] 618 From: David Pinero Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:28pm Subject: Re: Mr Bush's Remarks dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Actually you're right - and Dave T. will appreciate this. Remember Rapid Media? Seems more and more news outlets are offering free news alert pages. I'm hooked up to two of them, one national and one local - and it works like a charm. It's everything we ever dreamed of, though it is perhaps a bit generalized. A REAL Rapid Media would be a lot more granuel in what gets paged out. Still, I ain't complainin'. :) Dave --- zerg90@... wrote: > President Bush just finished speaking approx 1 minute ago - and this > Email just leaped into my mailbox. Assuming that they webcast his > remarks live, and assuming that this link allows the event to be viewed > at will - what more could you want from your news media? > > Besides a little openness of course. :-) > > ============ > > > From: emailnews@... (WNBC.com Newsroom) Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2002, > 3:03pm (EDT-1) To: zerg90@... Subject: LIVE VIDEO: Bush Unveils > Proposal For Palestinian State > ============================== > Breaking News > ============================== > Live Video: President Bush Announces His Mideast Peace Initiative > (Windows Media Broadband Only) > MORE DETAILS: > ============================== > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com 619 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 4:28pm Subject: Scanner The Dennis - Dennis The Menace hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Scanner enthusiast a "menace", whose actions could help terrorists commit atrocities Tuesday, 25 June, 2002, 10:36 GMT 11:36 UK UK security details 'listed on web' The safety of the Royal Family and top politicians is at risk because classified security details are being published on the internet, it has been revealed. Radio scanning enthusiast Paul Wey is intercepting Special Branch and other communications and publishing their details on internet news groups, BBC Radio 4's Today programme has learned. An intelligence source said Mr Wey was a "menace", whose actions could help terrorists commit atrocities and may have already been used to counter police operations. [read the long story at...] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2064000/2064388.stm 620 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 4:58pm Subject: Re: Scanner The Dennis - Dennis The Menace nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > Scanner enthusiast a "menace", whose actions could help terrorists > commit atrocities I agree with the British assessment of this particular situation. > Radio scanning enthusiast Paul Wey is intercepting Special Branch and > other communications and publishing their details on internet news > groups, BBC Radio 4's Today programme has learned. This activity is a violation of British law (where mere monitoring of public safety communications is illegal) and would be criminal even in countries where scanning is ordinarily permitted. It is also irresponsible and very, very stupid. This guy's actions are not about "openness." I hope the Brits throw the book at this jackass! -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 621 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:46pm Subject: Ads For Scanners on TV hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the Scan-L list Well this is an interesting surprise. I was watching " Motor Trend T.V. " last night on the cable channel called " Speedvision " and I saw that Uniden is one of the sponsors of the show or at least it was last night. I tune in sort of towards the end. I wonder if they advertise scanners? Hmm? Never actually seen a scanner on a commercial before. [maybe people at race tracks use scanners - ps] 622 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:25pm Subject: FBI Uses Scanners To Monitor Local Cops? hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This had never occurred to me. But I know that on the front page of the FBI website they used to say that one of their primary objectives was to rectify malfeasance by local police forces. from the fedcom list -------------- I saw this ad in Sunday's Hartford Courant under "dispatcher/TEO". I copied and pasted the following text from the http://www.fbijobs.com web site, under current support positions. It sounds like am interesting job, where else can you get paid for listening to scanners ? Connecticut ====================== Operates the most advanced, state of the art, Centracom II radio console, which is the nucleus of the FBI's Digital Voice Privacy FM radio system. The Centracom console controls up to three regional communications subsystems, each subsystem having up to sixteen, ten channel FM base stations. Maintains vocal liaison with investigative personnel in mobile, base or portable units by routing all field division radio traffic to and from subsystems and individual base stations within the subsystems. Monitor local police radio frequencies for immediate knowledge of occurrences of interest to the Bureau, or falling under Bureau jurisdiction. Transmits, receives, monitors and relays official messages selecting the correct subsystem, base station, operating channels and mode of operation (clear/coded). Chooses the correct mode of operation depending on who the transmission is intended (e.g. routing the transmission to a local police agency who operates in the clear mode). 623 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:34am Subject: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The safety of the Royal Family and top politicians is at risk because classified security details are being published on the internet, it has been revealed. Radio scanning enthusiast Paul Wey is intercepting Special Branch and other communications and publishing their details on internet news groups, BBC Radio 4's Today programme has learned. An intelligence source said Mr Wey was a "menace", whose actions could help terrorists commit atrocities and may have already been used to counter police operations. [read the long story at...] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2064000/2064388.stm 624 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 0:34pm Subject: News Media Courts Scanneristas hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the Scan-L list -------------- Simple ways to improve your [TV NEWS] desk http://emonline.com/newspro/062402assignment.html By DAISY WHITNEY While many TV stations are investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in purchasing the latest cutting-edge technology, one of the simplest and least expensive ways to make a newsroom more efficient is to make changes at the assignment desk. <> Mr. Lichtenstein recommended that desks seek out retired police or firefighters to monitor law enforcement and fire activity in far-away areas via scanner. "If you make them feel part of your team, they may be apt to do it. You probably don't need to pay anyone," he said. <> Finally, Mr. Lichtenstein advised assignment editors to fill the bellies of sources now and then. At least once a year, each assignment editor should bring treats to sources they regularly call for beat checks. "I did that at WBBM [a Chicago station where he worked] and there was an immediate return. The desk would get calls and be told things right away," he said. 625 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:15pm Subject: I Posted This to Scan-L Yesterday hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This was in followup to the discussion about the British monitorist who was labelled a "menace". -------------------------- Subject: Re - menace - Gass - etc Sometimes a society will go bad or a war will break out. Millions of people will die. If you are a soldier, you are much safer than if you are a civilian. (I think it was either 4 times or 10 times safer - in other words, 4 or 10 times more civilians die in conflicts than soldiers). This has been going on for many many years. Sometimes government secrecy is an issue. The Nazis had code words for all of the supplies that were used in the death camps. Examining the Nazi paperwork showed no evidence of any atrocities. On the other hand, terrorists listening in on police and military radio communications can increase their "effectiveness". On the other hand, terrorists do not always succeed. (Basque Region of Spain - Northern Ireland - Khmer Rouge - Red Brigade in Italy - etc) So - you / we have a choice. Which scares you more - citizens with scanners, or terrorists with scanners? Sorry - just kidding around. The real choice is - should citizens have scanners or shouldn't they? Do you want more openness or less openness in your society? Do you want to regress or progress? How much of an issue are scanners in the big picture? Have any terrorists actually ever used scanners? Have any scannerists ever prevented a massacre? Compare the pluses and minuses. Peter S 626 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 0:28pm Subject: Wireless Terms hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://cnniw.yellowbrix.com/pages/cnniw/Story.nsp?story_id=30864090&ID=cnniw&sca\ tegory=Telecommunications%3AWireless& This short article will bring you up to speed on the state of the wireless art. 627 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:05pm Subject: Interesting Article About MA's Top Cop hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Massachusetts State police chief sees new world since terror (greater analysis of financial records is underway - outreach will begin to private industry - cooperation is increasing between police agencies) http://www.telegram.com/news/city/foley.html For the first time ever I heard the 867.5125 mutual aid repeater being used in the Boston area today - maybe they are really increasing their cooperation with other agencies at the field level also. The only other ITAC traffic that I ever hear is the prison guards and state cops BSing on 866.0125R - which of course is a big no-no. Anybody hearing any increased mutual aid amongst agencies out there in the real world? 628 From: "John Linko" Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 1:15am Subject: Fwd: 6-27-02-ACLU Action Update: Homeland Security Department Must Be Open and Accountable fllw_fan@... Send Email Send Email >From: action@... >To: aclu_list@... >Subject: 6-27-02-ACLU Action Update: Homeland Security Department Must Be >Open and Accountable >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:28:27 -0400 > >To: ACLU Action Network >FR: Damon Moglen, National Field Coordinator >DT: June 27, 2002 > > >In the latest threat to civil liberties to emerge from the government's >response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, the Bush >Administration's proposed Department of Homeland Security explicitly >removes structural and legal safeguards necessary to keep the agency open >and accountable to the public. > >The President's proposal contains provisions that exclude the new agency >from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and whistleblower protections. >His proposal also lacks guarantees of strong oversight; as proposed, the >agency's secretary will have veto power over the inspector general's audits >and investigations. > >Take Action! 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Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:26pm Subject: 2 Springfield MA Officials Quit hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.masslive.com/news/unionnews/index.ssf?/news/pstories/ae628ass.html In case anyone thinks that all corruption has been rooted out of local government, this article explains the case of 2 training officials who are suspected of stealing close to $300K in Springfield MA. One of the men received a "Excellence in Government" award from the Springfield Mayor last year. Note - www.masslive.com does have a online scanner feed of the Springfield PD. Peter S 630 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:54am Subject: latest threat to civil liberties brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From: action@... To: aclu_list@... To: ACLU Action Network FR: Damon Moglen, National Field Coordinator DT: June 27, 2002 In the latest threat to civil liberties to emerge from the government's response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, the Bush Administration's proposed Department of Homeland Security explicitly removes structural and legal safeguards necessary to keep the agency open and accountable to the public. The President's proposal contains provisions that exclude the new agency from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and whistleblower protections. His proposal also lacks guarantees of strong oversight; as proposed, the agency's secretary will have veto power over the inspector general's audits and investigations. Take Action! Congress is rushing with unusual haste to pass the President's sweeping proposal. Insist that your Members of Congress keep the new agency open and accountable to the public. You can learn more and send a FREE FAX to preserve open and accountable government from our action alert at: http://www.aclu.org/action/homeland107.html 631 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:56am Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- AT&T Wireless can find your friend... but it apparently can't find you. On Monday the company introduced a service it calls "Find Friends" in those regions where AT&T has GPRS wireless phone service (that "mLife" service). For a $2.99 a month fee, the company will pinpoint the location of those who have subscribed to the service and send it to other subscribers of the service, presumably via a Web page. You may recall that AT&T Wireless just settled with the FCC (for $100,000) on Phase II delays, and still faces a $2.2 million fine for other Phase II implementation issues. Find the details at: http://www.attws.com/press/releases/062402.jhtml -------------------------- When will public safety see this technology?.. Boeing Co.'s Space & Communications group has won an $856 million contract with the Dept. of Defense to develop and produce a new Army communications network called the Joint Tactical Radio System that will allow soldiers, ground vehicles and aircraft to communicate on a common frequency. the JTRS uses software-defined radios whose features, frequencies and other characteristics can be programmed as needed, making interoperability very easy. -------------------------- The Jackson (Miss.) Police Dept. has formally accepted their Motorola wireless mobile data system that allows officers to make inquiries to local and NCIC criminal justice databases, CAD and to complete reports in the field and transmit them electronically. The system also includes mapping and automatic vehicle location (AVL). The company's MDTs were installed in 100 patrol cars, with another 100 due for installation by year's end, and uses a private radio link to transmit data at 19.2 Kbps. -------------------------- Radio manufacturer EFJ Inc. has signed Chester County (Penn.) to a $3.1 million contract that will add five channels to each of the 17 towers in the county's radio system, which serves 120 agencies. -------------------------- Montgomery County (Penn.) will expand and upgrade its current Motorola communications system to make it available for all the county's and municipal public safety agencies. The $16.9 million contract will expand the 800 MHz simulcast system to include 92 fire departments, 41 police departments, 36 EMS squads, more than a dozen county government agencies, a dozen county public service agencies, and several state agencies. The county spans 483 square miles and serve 750,000 residents, with the system covering 20 sites with 16 channels, using 20 dispatcher positions. The upgrade will also boost the single-channel data system to a 9-site, 3-channel system. Overall, there will be 2,400 radios on the system when it's completed. 632 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jun 29, 2002 5:16pm Subject: CALEA Deadline Looms hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Carriers Protest As CALEA Deadline Looms http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.asp?layout=print_page&doc_id=92618 very short article 633 From: public@... Date: Sun Jun 30, 2002 4:45pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! ISSUES IN CORPORATE AND CONSUMER TRANSPARENCY: The recent revelations about Enron, Worldcaomm, Xerox, and no doubt others yet to come clean, has raised the issue of the value of corporate transparency. While Openness.org typically focuses on public safety issues, it is worth noting the many applications the same philosophy can help to 'clean up' in the corporate institution. People certainly seem to be asking for more of it now. At the consumer level, one wonders if a wave of transparency solutions might also be on the verge of forming. For example, how long off is it before you can get your car repaired, and then be handed a videotape of the work being done as you pay for it? These are just thinking points! Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http:// Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 634 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 2:04pm Subject: Story from DISPATCH Monthly News nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A story on Fox News explained how DuPage County (Ill.) uses the Reverse 911 computerized calling system to help find missing persons or broadcast alerts. The video showed operators defining a geographic area for the system to call--taped above the screen in 1-inch letters was the toll-free support number for Sigma Communications Inc., which markets the system! The story concluded with news that Chicago will implement the system--the largest Reverse 911 installation in the country. ==== Forwarded by Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 635 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jul 1, 2002 5:54pm Subject: Good Indiana Dispatcher Story hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sonofrcma/message/3992 636 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 0:53pm Subject: Apopka Florida Gets Faster "Silent Dispatch" hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In my book, "silent dispatch" means dispatching police units via text messages versus dispatching with voice messages - in order to keep listeners (nefarious and otherwise) from listening in. Scannerists cannot access these text messages because no consumer level equipment is available to receive them, the police departments do not want the public to receive them, and Federal law prohibits interception and / or decoding of encrypted messages. AFAIK. Peter S ----------------- Fastest FCC Type-Accepted Public Safety Mobile Data System Dataradio Corp. Installs Nations First 32 Kbps Mobile Data System for the City of Apopka, FL ATLANTA, June 6, 2002 Dataradio Corporation, a leading manufacturer and integrator of mission-critical, private wireless networks, is currently installing a mobile data system for the City of Apopka, Florida. The system is the fastest FCC Type Accepted mobile data network ever sold to a public safety agency in the United States. The network will utilize Dataradio's GeminiPD+ mobile radio modems, as well as the ParagonPD base station. The GeminiPD+ is a private RF mobile radio modem incorporating a high performance RF platform designed exclusively for data which incorporates Dataradio's Parallel Decode modem and a built-in GPS receiver. GeminiPD+ mobile radio modems along with the ParagonPD base stations use dual receivers and a powerful DSP to combine and decode signals in parallel resulting in a ten-fold sensitivity improvement in multi-path fading. Out-of-band signaling enables GeminiPD+ to transmit GPS position reports with no adverse effect on system throughput. With an initial installation of 33 units, the UHF system will support silent dispatch, electronic messaging, mugshot lineups, field based incident reporting and GPS. Deputy Chief Charles Vavrek, Apopka Police Department said, "Having installed a Dataradio system nine years ago in our public safety vehicles, The City of Apopka's Police and Fire departments were ready to upgrade to the next generation in data transmission products. We immediately contacted Dataradio and were informed that their newest technology, 32 Kbps was nearly seven times faster than our current system. This was a great match for the software vendor, Data Pursuit, Inc. Data Pursuit, Inc. developed their GPS system to use Dataradio's Gemini features to its fullest extent. This partnership is allowing us to have one of the fastest and most versatile law enforcement owned data transmission systems in the world." For more information contact: Sarah Hamilton Marketing Communications Coordinator shamilton@... http://www.dataradio.com/news_press_060602_Apopka.shtml 637 From: David Pinero Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 2:36pm Subject: Re: Apopka Florida Gets Faster "Silent Dispatch" dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The public CAN get them. The police department needs to adopt a positive open broacasting attitude and post the MDT traffic to its website. Optionally, it should develop a local notification alert based on the signals being dispatched that anyone can utilize via web interface (as in MSNBC's News Alert, or Weatherbug). It should, as should be done with voice, take care to distinguish between sensitive communication and general dispatch traffic and secure the former. The technology is there now to do so. Dave --- zerg90@... wrote: > In my book, "silent dispatch" means dispatching police units via text > messages versus dispatching with voice messages - in order to keep > listeners (nefarious and otherwise) from listening in. Scannerists > cannot access these text messages because no consumer level equipment is > available to receive them, the police departments do not want the public > to receive them, and Federal law prohibits interception and / or > decoding of encrypted messages. AFAIK. Peter S > > ----------------- > > Fastest FCC Type-Accepted Public Safety Mobile Data System > > Dataradio Corp. Installs Nations First 32 Kbps Mobile Data System for > the City of Apopka, FL > > ATLANTA, June 6, 2002 > > Dataradio Corporation, a leading manufacturer and integrator of > mission-critical, private wireless networks, is currently installing a > mobile data > system for the City of Apopka, Florida. > > The system is the fastest FCC Type Accepted mobile data network ever > sold to a public safety agency in the United States. > > The network will utilize Dataradio's GeminiPD+ mobile radio modems, as > well as the ParagonPD base station. The GeminiPD+ is a private RF mobile > radio modem incorporating a high performance RF platform designed > exclusively for data which incorporates Dataradio's Parallel Decode > modem and a built-in GPS receiver. GeminiPD+ mobile radio modems along > with the ParagonPD base stations use dual receivers and a powerful DSP > to combine and decode signals in parallel resulting in a ten-fold > sensitivity improvement in multi-path fading. > > Out-of-band signaling enables GeminiPD+ to transmit GPS position reports > with no adverse effect on system throughput. > > With an initial installation of 33 units, the UHF system will support > silent dispatch, electronic messaging, mugshot lineups, field based > incident reporting and GPS. > > Deputy Chief Charles Vavrek, Apopka Police Department said, "Having > installed a Dataradio system nine years ago in our public safety > vehicles, The City of Apopka's Police and Fire departments were ready to > upgrade to the next generation in data transmission products. We > immediately contacted Dataradio and were informed that their newest > technology, 32 Kbps was nearly seven times faster than our current > system. This was a great match for the software vendor, Data Pursuit, > Inc. Data Pursuit, Inc. developed their GPS system to use Dataradio's > Gemini features to its fullest extent. This partnership is allowing us > to have one of the fastest and most versatile law enforcement owned data > transmission systems in the world." > > > For more information contact: > > Sarah Hamilton > Marketing Communications Coordinator > shamilton@... > > http://www.dataradio.com/news_press_060602_Apopka.shtml > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com 638 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 8:41pm Subject: New Online CAD - Ventura County California hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://fire.countyofventura.org/OnlineIncidents/online.asp If you look right now, you can see an EMS incident in progress at Station 44 - and multiple units at mutual aid wildfire incidents. 639 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 2:19pm Subject: Online Fire CADs hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hey Dave P - are you the reason for all the Florida goodness? Happy Holiday - Peter S ----------------- from the Internet San Mateo Co, Santa Cruz Co, and San Ramon Valley, at http://www.firedispatch.com/ Seattle Fire, and you can view "live' or archived logs, at http://www2.cityofseattle.net/fire/GetDatePubTab.asp Tampa FL at http://www.tampagov.net/appl_fire_Calls_for_service/frmCallsList.asp Sarasota Co FL, at http://www.co.sarasota.fl.us/911cad/list.asp Dallas TX, at http://www.dallasfirerescue.com/fadata/fdindex.html Baton Rouge, LA, traffic CAD at http://ci.baton-rouge.la.us/reports/public/cdactiv.html Houston, TX at http://www.ci.houston.tx.us/~hfd_ai/ Martin Co, FL, at http://www.martin.fl.us/GOVT/depts/esd/livecad/ Miami-Dade County FL, at http://www.co.miami-dade.fl.us/firecad/wwwcipnew.asp Palm Beach Co, FL, at http://www.co.miami-dade.fl.us/firecad/wwwcipnew.asp Pinellas Co, FL, at http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/ces/currentactivity.html Don't know why Florida is so well represented... 640 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 3:10pm Subject: Toledo Ohio Still Uses 460.40 hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.trunkedradio.net/cgi-bin/display.pl?sid=731 Looking at this info, it appears that the Toldeo Ohio PD still broadcasts general bulletins and lookouts on 460.40, even though they have moved to a 800TRS. I just noticed that this is apparently not a digital TRS - so this is not as much of a openness issue as I had earlier believed. Or maybe it is. Maybe they tried to save the public a few bucks by not forcing all listeners to buy a trunking scanner in order to hear the Toledo radio traffic. Peter S 641 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 3:20pm Subject: IT of the Drug Lords hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEXTEL1/message/18936 This large article covers the various computer, radio, telephone, encryption, and wiretapping used by some Venezulan drug lords. You have to be a member of the NEXTEL1 list to see this article at the URL above. (If someone has a better URL, please share it with us). Peter S 642 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 0:46pm Subject: advanced communications encryption brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The drug lords have deployed advanced communications encryption technologies that, law enforcement officials concede, are all but unbreakable. They use the Web to camouflage the movement of dirty money. They track the radar sweeps of drug surveillance planes to map out gaps in coverage. They even use a fleet of submarines, mini-subs, and semisubmersibles to ferry drugs -- sometimes, ingeniously, to larger ships hauling cargoes of hazardous waste, in which the insulated bales of cocaine are stashed. "Those ships never get a close inspection, no matter what country you're in," says John Hensley, former head of enforcement for the U.S. Customs Service. Most of the cartels' technology is American-made; many of the experts who run it are American-trained. High-tech has become the drug lords' most effective counter-weapon in the war on drugs -- and is a major reason that cocaine shipments to the United States from Colombia hit an estimated 450 tons last year, almost twice the level of 1998, according to the Colombian navy. http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,41206,00.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 643 From: David Pinero Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 5:27pm Subject: Re: Online Fire CADs dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Heya Peter, I noticed the same thing. It might be an ideological demographic rather than my campaign. Though I'm a social liberal, the Openness.org gist seems very much a conservative republican sort of thing, which maybe explains why Texas is such a hotbed of openness, too. Conservatives believe in maximizing opportunities for exercising personal responsibility. Open databases assist in making decisions at that level and in self-policing interpersonal relations. My sister, for example, once observed that between Florida's very open network of offender databases and local jail or warrant databases, that "the rules of dating have changed". You don't have to wind up introducing a closet scum bag into your life if you can take a few minutes to visit a few web sites and run a name. That's just one thought, though. Dave --- zerg90@... wrote: > Hey Dave P - are you the reason for all the Florida goodness? Happy > Holiday - Peter S > > ----------------- > > from the Internet > > San Mateo Co, Santa Cruz Co, and San Ramon Valley, at > http://www.firedispatch.com/ > > Seattle Fire, and you can view "live' or archived logs, at > http://www2.cityofseattle.net/fire/GetDatePubTab.asp > > Tampa FL at > http://www.tampagov.net/appl_fire_Calls_for_service/frmCallsList.asp > > Sarasota Co FL, at > http://www.co.sarasota.fl.us/911cad/list.asp > > Dallas TX, at > http://www.dallasfirerescue.com/fadata/fdindex.html > > Baton Rouge, LA, traffic CAD at > http://ci.baton-rouge.la.us/reports/public/cdactiv.html > > Houston, TX at > http://www.ci.houston.tx.us/~hfd_ai/ > > Martin Co, FL, at > http://www.martin.fl.us/GOVT/depts/esd/livecad/ > > Miami-Dade County FL, at > http://www.co.miami-dade.fl.us/firecad/wwwcipnew.asp > > Palm Beach Co, FL, at > http://www.co.miami-dade.fl.us/firecad/wwwcipnew.asp > > Pinellas Co, FL, at > http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/ces/currentactivity.html > > Don't know why Florida is so well represented... > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com 644 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 1:41pm Subject: Hearing On Formation of DOHS hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations has scheduled a hearing for Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 9:00 a.m. in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building. The hearing is a continuation of the Committee's previous hearing entitled "Creating the Department of Homeland Security : Consideration of the Administ ration's Proposal." This day of the hearing will focus on the research and development and critical infrastructure activities proposed for transfer to the new Department.Witnesses will be by invitation only. Portions of the hearing may be closed to the public. ---------------------------------------- The House Committee on Energy and Commerce W.J. "Billy" Tauzin, Chairman (202) 225-2927 http://www.house.gov/commerce 645 From: David Pinero Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 4:53pm Subject: Activism and the web... dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email On this, the 4th of July, it is somewhat ironic to read this story and feel the paranoia of good activists in our country who are well aware of "government agents" that try to infiltrate them, and the "mainstream media" that perpetuates a perception of the status quo as the ideal state. Are we sure the great experiment is succeeding? Free thinking intellectuals are living day to day in fear in America - that can't be a marker things are headed in the right direction. On the other hand, I haven't been woken up in the middle of the night and drug out of my bed and shot by a government squad. Hm, on the other hand, maybe superpower governments are more sophisticated than that. The debate could go on forever. That holiday reflection aside, this is a good piece about how the web and internet are being used to promote alternative causes and viewpoints, such as might be the case if there are, say, a body of dejected scanner hobbiests. ;) I'm pasting the whole piece here - not likely to make it a headline. Got a cause? Here's how to get online Thu Jul 4,10:15 AM ET Rachel Konrad SONOMA COUNTY, Calif.--Greased in sunscreen and crusty with salt from bathing in the nearby Pacific Ocean, activists have transformed a rustic barn and hillside into a high-tech retreat dedicated to nonviolent political activism. The Oakland, Calif.-based Ruckus Society organized its first annual Tech ToolBox Action Camp, a weeklong training seminar to teach activists how to use computers and the Internet. More than 230 activists attended the conference, which ended Tuesday afternoon. Many campers said they were trying to teach activists of all stripes how to better develop Web sites and improve e-mail communications to help promote their cause, be it ending police brutality or freeing political dissidents in Cuban jails. "We are just at the beginning of learning how technology can help us," said Leda Dederich, a 31-year-old San Francisco resident who recently quit her job as creative director of independent journalism site Alternet. "There is a huge segment of the voting population that is just begging to read the stories that the mainstream media ignores, and the Internet is an extremely powerful tool for them." Ruckus organizers thought the retreat would attract scores of radical activists from the San Francisco Bay Area. But they were pleasantly shocked when more than 230 people, including rainforest enthusiasts from Brazil and digital divide crusaders from Mexico, flew, drove or hitchhiked to the campground about 65 miles north of San Francisco. Members plan to strategize this week about the possibility of a future gathering; several said the inaugural event was so successful that a second event is almost inevitable around the same time next year in the Bay Area. "What we wanted was a bunch of plug-and-play geeks who already had formed their opinions on global capitalism and weren't going to launch into some self-aggrandizing acronym spew about how much they knew about Linux ( news - web sites) or anything else," said Allen "Gunner" Gunn, a 39-year-old San Francisco resident and one of six full-time Ruckus employees. "The priority has been to create a safe space for tech learning so activists are better able to get out their message, on Web sites, via e-mail, streaming media, whatever." Location: Confidential Gunn requested that the specific location of the retreat not be named, hoping to avoid throngs of video cameras that might accompany mainstream media. The group, whose members are generally disdainful of journalists, particularly those from giant publishing conglomerates, allowed a CNET News.com reporter on the condition that she wouldn't take photographs or wander unescorted around the resort--an abandoned hippie commune from the 1970s. Gunn admitted that many campers were "noids" who were slightly paranoid that government agents might infiltrate the event in the form of journalists, hikers or other passersby. Although many campers were eager to learn how to use technology to improve literacy, end police brutality or help campaigns of like-minded politicians, other campers promoted technology itself as a form of activism. Eradicating the digital divide was the raison d'être of members of NoBorder Network and the organizers of BorderHack. The latter group is arranging a conference later this summer in Playas de Tijuana, Mexico, to help boost computer literacy and Internet access in Mexico. Others discussed "the Microsoft problem" and the dominance of Windows, urging use of alternative operating systems such as Linux. A poster above the speaker read, "Long Live Linux Love." Electricians, engineers and others who arrived more than a week ago to prepare the site mounted a satellite receiver on top of the barn and laid down a power grid to provide juice for several servers, 60 desktop computers and dozens of laptops. The only mishap occurred last week, when a car slammed into a telephone pole in a hillside hamlet and briefly killed electricity to the campground. Bullish about the Internet Despite concerns about AOL Time Warner, Microsoft and other corporations' increasing control of large sections of the Web, participants seemed bullish about the Internet's ability to give a louder, global voice to alternative publications. "This camp has been really informative because I've seen how other activist groups are using Web sites to bridge gaps between the north and the south, and the developed and developing economies," said Ronit Avni, a 24-year-old program associate at New York-based Witness, a non-profit human rights group. Witness provides activists with video cameras so they can take footage of people enduring hardship, including Mexicans in abysmal psychiatric facilities and garment workers in Saipan. Numerous attendants identified themselves as professional activists--people who espouse a number of causes and believe in collective decision-making and protest. Many praised Ruckus for trying to bridge the gap between activists, who are not generally known for their computer expertise, and technologists, who are often stereotyped as anti-social and workaholic nerds without many interests outside of the hard sciences. Brooklyn, N.Y., resident Jene DeSpain was one of the first people to arrive to help set up. DeSpain fights for human rights abroad and against police brutality in the New York area, and she came to Sonoma specifically to boost her computer literacy. "They asked me to build the computers, re-network hard drives, install software and reformat," DeSpain said. "I learned how to do all of that in the first few days here. I'd say that's been the most valuable thing I've done here. And I've also been doing the dishes." Regardless of whether there's a second ToolBox, the success of the inaugural event was an uplifting sign for many attendants. Members of Ruckus and other protest groups got bad reputations after the 1999 World Trade Organization ( news - web sites) meeting in Seattle. A few dozen anarchists and vandals at that meeting caused millions of dollars in damage to buildings, and police agencies have severely clamped down on protesters in subsequent meetings in Washington, D.C., Quebec City and in Europe. Gunn said Ruckus wouldn't necessarily expel campers who wanted to use technology to disrupt society at any cost--but he emphasized that violence was not part of Ruckus' agenda. Facilitators were not teaching how to launch distributed denial-of-service ( news - web sites) attacks or how to deface Web sites. "Ultimately our analysis comes down to answering the question, 'Have we empowered activists?'" said Gunn, who joined Ruckus full-time a year and a half ago, after his e-learning company burned through $45 million in venture funding and folded. "There is no Molotov cocktail seminar by the ocean at this gathering." ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com 646 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 1:20pm Subject: Worcester MA PD Seeks New Radios hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Racer pigeon rescued at top of power plant http://www.telegram.com/news/city/pigeon.html Chief seeks new radios for police http://www.telegram.com/news/city/cityhall.html (interesting how they differentiate between encrypted and regular radios in the newspaper article - no mention in the article if all of the new radios will be encrypted - Worcester uses a 800 Mhz EDACS system) 647 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 10:11pm Subject: Ruling On Diocese's Privacy hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Ruling on Diocese's Privacy May Open Flood of Material A ruling that Roman Catholic diocese cannot use the First Amendment to protect their records may be a watershed for sexual abuse lawsuits against the church. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/04/national/04CHUR.html?todaysheadlines [I wonder how many lawyers ever mulled over a scenario like this in their college classes?] 648 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 0:27pm Subject: Bridgewater MA Comm Plan Includes Scanners hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.bridgewaterma.org/Government/EOC/EmergencyPlan.shtml If you look under Notification you will see that they intend to transmit emergency messages to the public via scanners. If anyone knows of any other online plans that also mention scanners, please pass the URL along. This is a new town website. Apparently they have a local EOC with 2 fulltime employees which is rather rare in Massachusetts (I know of no others with FT staff). I think that Massachusetts EMA also has a EOC in Bridgewater. Peter S 649 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 1:32pm Subject: MEGA HAM/COMPUTER/SCANNER FEST! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Murgas Amateur Radio Club holding it's hamfest tomorrow--- More info at: http://www.qsl.net/k3ytl/hamfest2002.html Bob WB3DYE 650 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 11:44am Subject: Ultimate Online Call Log - Princeton MA hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://town.princeton.ma.us/police/calllog.html Punch in "fire" as your search term - you will get a listing of 1999, 2000, and 2001 fire incidents complete with response times and unit IDs. (This is a small town of 3,000 people near Worcester MA). 651 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 11:52am Subject: It Was The Best of Websites - It Was The Worst Of Websites hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://town.princeton.ma.us/police/ Note the radio frequency that they list - 154.71. However, they can be more betterly heard on their repeater output which is 151.295. The repeater was turned on in 1998 or 1999. I am not sure how they have their radios programmed - I think this may be a oddball system where all radios transmit on 154.71 (including the dispatchers radio) - yet only some of the radios receive on 151.295. If anyone has better info, please share it with us. I recognize that I am basically grasping at straws here - but it does make for a great subject heading. Peter S 652 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 11:59am Subject: Chico CA PD Releases Chase Tape hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.chicoer.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/February/05-407-n\ ews2.txt The PD re;eased the tape - the newspaper offered their version of it. IIRC - police chases kill 45% perps - 45% innocent bystanders - 10% cops. 653 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 0:47pm Subject: canada two way brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Capital Region Emergency Service Telecommunications Inc. Awards $12.9 Million Radio Communications Contract to Motorola Canada, Ltd. (Canada NewsWire) A consortium of more than 40 public safety agencies in the Victoria region has signed a $12.9 million contract with Motorola for a new radio system that will significantly enhance coordination of communications in the area. For the full story, go to: http://rd.yahoo.com/alerts/email/news/*http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/020708/ny_moto rola_contract_1.html 654 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:58am Subject: Allies In The Midst? hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Perhaps there is good news for the Openness / Scannerists cause here. Any laws to ban scanners are going to peeve off a lot of race car fans. Peter S PS - if anyone can get a photo of one of these temporary RadioShack stores, please share it with us. ---------------- RadioShack To Open Raceway Shops Fort Worth, Texas - RadioShack is upping its NASCAR quotient by opening on-site RadioShack@Speedway shops during five races between May and November. The temporary retail storefronts will carry race scanners, batteries, headphones, adapters, fanny packs, binocular/digital camera combos, FRS radios and other products aimed at racing enthusiasts, racing teams and drivers. The product mix is based on the sales trends at traditional RadioShack stores during race weekends that neighbor five speedways. The concept was first tested during a Winston Cup series race in Las Vegas, where the top selling item was a scanner that allowed users to listen in on conversations between the drivers and their pit crews. 'It was a huge success,' said Lou Provost, executive VP/sales channels. The effort expands RadioShack's exposure to NASCAR fans and follows the retailer's co-sponsorship of this month's Samsung/RadioShack 500, held at the Texas Motor Speedway near company headquarters. According to ARS analyst Todd Smith, the NASCAR circuit is a 'staple of [RadioShack's] advertising budget due to its high reach with low frequency costs' and brand-loyal fans. 655 From: "GeorgeF." Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 0:38pm Subject: Re: Allies In The Midst? georgef2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I wish I know that last week and I would have walked over to the Daytona Speedway to see if R/S had a stand set up for the Pepsi 400. George http://www.MilAirComms.com At 07:58 AM 7/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Perhaps there is good news for the Openness / Scannerists cause here. >Any laws to ban scanners are going to peeve off a lot of race car fans. >Peter S > >PS - if anyone can get a photo of one of these temporary RadioShack >stores, please share it with us. > >---------------- > >RadioShack To Open Raceway Shops > >Fort Worth, Texas - RadioShack is upping its NASCAR quotient by opening >on-site RadioShack@Speedway shops during five races between May and >November. > >The temporary retail storefronts will carry race scanners, batteries, >headphones, adapters, fanny packs, binocular/digital camera combos, FRS >radios and other products aimed at racing enthusiasts, racing teams and >drivers. > >The product mix is based on the sales trends at traditional RadioShack >stores during race weekends that neighbor five speedways. The concept >was first tested during a Winston Cup series race in Las Vegas, where >the top selling item was a scanner that allowed users to listen in on >conversations between the drivers and their pit crews. > >'It was a huge success,' said Lou Provost, executive VP/sales channels. > >The effort expands RadioShack's exposure to NASCAR fans and follows the >retailer's co-sponsorship of this month's Samsung/RadioShack 500, held >at the Texas Motor Speedway near company headquarters. According to ARS >analyst Todd Smith, the NASCAR circuit is a 'staple of [RadioShack's] >advertising budget due to its high reach with low frequency costs' and >brand-loyal fans. > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ______________________________________________________ I make Over $5000 per Week on eBay! Make eBay(tm) Your Job and Earn BIG $$$ ---->http://www.licensed4fun.com/ebay<---- ______________________________________________________ 656 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:43pm Subject: Sgt Refuses To Run Booking Room Video Camera hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.masslive.com/news/unionnews/index.ssf?/news/pstories/gagnonci.html I do not know why the police sergeant refused to operate the video camera, but it cost him his promotional pay for a couple of years. At the least, this article gives a little insight into police discipline in Massachusetts. 657 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 10:39am Subject: Feds Seek To Limit Sept 11 Info hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.airsafetyonline.com/news/2002/07/12/3.shtml (includes interviews of FDNY members) New York City September 11, 2001 658 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 11:21am Subject: CA Incident Is International News hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from Australian Broadcast Company Grand jury to investigate LA police brutality* A grand jury in the United States is to investigate the beating of a black teenager by a Los Angeles policeman last week. The boy and his father are also suing the LAPD. The arrest was captured on amateur video, and shows the policeman slamming the boy down onto the boot of a police car. The boy's family is seeking more than a million dollars in damages, claiming his civil rights were violated. The family's lawyers claim the boy and his father were more extensively beaten, before the video started recording. A grand jury in Los Angeles will start investigating the incident tomorrow. The family was stopped by the policeman because their licence plates had expired. ____________ 659 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 11:29am Subject: CA PD Incident hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from NBC News yesterday Just days after a July 6 incident in which California police officers were videotaped beating a black teenager during a traffic stop, another tape has surfaced of a case in Oklahoma. NBC's Chip Reid looks at how cameras are changing police work nationwide -- for cops and for suspects. ---------------- Their report stated that 39% of homes in the USA have camcorders, and 33% of PDs have dashcams 660 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 3:50pm Subject: Fire Inspector Uses Scanner To Make Rescues hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/193/metro/Man_dies_in_fire_7_hurt_in_other_bla\ ze+.shtml Massachusetts 661 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:50pm Subject: Forced AIDS Openness hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A01991 NY State has pending legislation that would allow public safety people to force AIDS tests upon certain people. (Is this a horrendously poorly written piece of law? - or is it me?) - Apparently they are trying to protect 2 groups here - victims of sex crimes and public safety workers. 662 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:59pm Subject: Openness Of The Obituary Kind hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Its not every day that you see police radio traffic quoted in an obituary. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/193/obituaries/William_A_Harris_46+.shtml 663 From: David Pinero Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 3:58am Subject: Re: CA Incident Is International News dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I really need to fire up my Gurreilla journalism site as this case is more associated with that advocacy. However, this is an extremely important story to watch. I noticed a lot more buzz in this incident about the benefits for police and citizens if citizens are allowed to videotape public events. The controversy over the freedom to witness and document events as an individual un-accredited or un-affiliated with any organized for-profit organization is gradually becoming a central issue. Didn't I say it would? The PR behind this doesn't help the case for those who believe citizens should be allowed to record or document events independently. The police COULD have issued a statement recognizing that evident Gurreilla Journalist Mitchell Crooks had contributed significantly to the exposure of and investigation into police misconduct. They COULD have mentioned in this statement that they were looking for more open and trusting dialog regarding that taping. Having established good, trusting intent, they could THEN have explained with some degree of sensitivity that in fact Mitchell did have an outstanding warrant that needed to be addressed, and would be. Guerrilla journalism implies journalistic efforts by individuals. As many individuals as you have is as many reporters you have, and as many personal stories, pasts, virtues, and deviances, you will have as well. None of that degrades from the unique perspective any individual offers. The individual journalism of common criminals may well turn out to be one of the most startling prizes of the entire gurreilla journalism spectrum. I've read the transcript of Mitchell's broadcasted radio conversation between he and a prosecutor, and it was nothing but antagonizing in that Mitchell's statement he would be willing to turn over a *copy* of the original tape was being flatly ignored. Instead, he was tersely advised to expect a subpoena soon. When he WAS arrested for his warrant, it was all allowed to go down as an independent journalist kicking and screaming "help! help!" after being "seized" by "plain clothes officers" throwing him into a vehicle and then driving him away. I mean, talk about stoking the paranoia of us who already predict this is what will happen to gurreilla journalists on a regular basis in THEORY. The police there have no concept of how bad they look treating what many will consider a journalistic hero that way, and how bad they look in not crediting his efforts. Why should they, one supposes? This is just the beginning, and that level of sophistication and awareness in respecting citizens who record events has not yet been translated into "wise" PR or operational policy. However, I bet it will before long. Dave --- zerg90@... wrote: > from Australian Broadcast Company > > Grand jury to investigate LA police brutality* > A grand jury in the United States is to investigate the beating of a > black teenager by a Los Angeles policeman last week. > The boy and his father are also suing the LAPD. ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com 664 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 9:26pm Subject: Police Union Wants Dash Cams hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Killing of White Deputy Quiets Protests Over Police Shootings of 2 Blacks The shooting death of a white sheriffs deputy in Seattle has generated a backlash against efforts to make officers more sensitive to race. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/13/national/13POLI.html?todaysheadlines 665 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 2:29pm Subject: Video Vigilante in Oklahoma hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020712/ap_on_re_us/video_vig\ ilante_1 Dave - step away from the camera! (I know that you are just dying to load up your car with camcorder and scanner, and going to war). But on a more serious note, are there not obvious linkages between guerilla journalism and openness? The equation might go like this - 1 guerilla journalist with scanner = 100 guerilla journalists without scanners. Peter S 666 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 3:03pm Subject: DOHS Reveils Some Communications Goals hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firerad2/message/3603 667 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 14, 2002 3:21pm Subject: Thread About IE Inland Online Live Scanner Feed hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFire/message/3544 Basically this thread says that live365.com is doing strange things in an attempt to be profitable 668 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 1:21pm Subject: Sharpton Calls For Police Reforms hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Sharpton Demands National Police Reforms The Rev. Al Sharpton is demanding national legislation that would mandate investigation of police abuse allegations. MORE DETAILS: (includes video of police beating in California) 669 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 1:31pm Subject: DOHS Accountability Questioned - NY Times Article hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Accountability Concern Is Raised Over Security Department The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee accused the Bush administration of trying to put the proposed new Department of Homeland Security "above the law." http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/27/politics/27RIDG.html?todaysheadlines (something tells me that "open radio system" will not be in the DOHS handbook) 670 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jul 15, 2002 2:02pm Subject: New Live Scanner Feed - Chico CA - Fire hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I put up a live scanner in Chico on Shoutcast. Right now its 3 users, but if anyone has the Shoutcast Server software and a broadband connection, they can run a relay, which will add 3 more slots for people to connect to. The stream is here: http://precisionindustries.dns2go.com:8000 Right now it is Butte CDF [California Department of Forestry - fire](151.40 Mhz), North Ops [Forest Fire](41.790 Mhz), & Chico Air Base (123.975 Mhz AM). And if you want to run a relay, download the server here: http://www.shoutcast.com/downloads/sc1-8-9/shoutcast-1-8-9-windows.exe And use this .INI, just drop it in the ShoutCast folder, then it is all setup to relay from my stream. http://members.cox.net/scanchico/sc_serv.ini Any questions/comments send em on over. Also, I may change around what is unlocked on the scanner, but I will change the Song Name to reflect that. This won't be 24/7. Only when my computer is on, which is mainly when I am awake, from about 11am till 2-3am. If it is a special event I will leave it on longer. California 671 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 7:32pm Subject: Monroeville PA VFC 4 Website - New hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.mvfc4.org/ They list info under "Dispatch" regarding 911 centers and their radio freqs - plus they have links to other freq lists. Under Audio/Video - see E48 rolling to a call (anyone have a MPEG version of this?) 672 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:07pm Subject: The Cyber Electronic Security Act hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email It's H.R. 3482; you can get there with either of these URLs: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2B315741 or http://clerkweb.house.gov/cgi-bin/lgwww_bill.pl?203482 ------------------ It toughens up penalties for listening to cell phone calls 673 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:28pm Subject: Life For Hackers hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Life For Hackers story makes no mention of increased penalties for listening to cellular calls. (Weren't scanner listeners called "hackers" by the LA Times approx 12 months ago?) ======================== From: emailnews@... (thebostonchannel.com) Date: Tue, Jul 16, 2002, 3:15pm (EDT-1) To: zerg90@... Subject: Today's TheBostonChannel Daily Digital Headlines TODAY'S TOP STORY: Judge Throws Book At Gator's Pop-Up Ads http://treets.thebostonchannel.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=10597016&t=1 Handspring Courts Corporate Buyers http://treets.thebostonchannel.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=10597017&t=1 TODAY'S HEADLINES FROM CNET: VMware Updates Server Software http://treets.thebostonchannel.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=10597018&t=1 House OKs Life Sentences For Hackers http://treets.thebostonchannel.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=10597019&t=1 Microsoft Pulls Java From Download Page http://treets.thebostonchannel.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=10597021&t=1 Licensing Decision Ends MPEG-4 Tiff http://treets.thebostonchannel.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=10597024&t=1 TODAY'S FEATURE: 'What If?' Gets Answered At Sports Web Site http://treets.thebostonchannel.com/svc/lnk.cfm?l=10597027&t=1 674 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 3:38am Subject: Re: The Cyber Electronic Security Act nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email >It toughens up penalties for listening to cell phone calls Once again Congress gets it exactly backward. Criminals and terrorists are able to use cellular phones free of any threat of being overheard by law-abiding citizens, and Congress wants to scare everyone (except said criminals and terrorists) by making it "more illegal" to listen in. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 675 From: "GeorgeF." Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:01pm Subject: Re: The Cyber Electronic Security Act georgef2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email At 11:38 PM 7/16/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >It toughens up penalties for listening to cell phone calls > >Once again Congress gets it exactly backward. Criminals and terrorists are >able to use cellular phones free of any threat of being overheard by >law-abiding citizens, and Congress wants to scare everyone (except said >criminals and terrorists) by making it "more illegal" to listen in. > >-Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 Make you wonder how the true criminals really are....ie: Congress doesn't want a US citizen to hear about their 'on the side' dealings.... George http://www.MilAirComms.com http://www. 676 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:29am Subject: Worcester MA Police Adopt Photo Policy hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.telegram.com/news/city/chief.html 677 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 3:11pm Subject: Pittsburgh PA Narcotics Ops hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the Internet (with minor changes) Q - Does anyone know the fleet map for the City of Pgh Trunked System ? A - The city of Pgh. system is a type IIi system [and therefore does not need a fleet map - ps]. The system is NOT the main radio system for public safety; most public safety occurs on the 453MHz system. Mostly city services, narcotics (digital/encrypted), steeler stadium operations, housing authority [are on the 800 Mhz TRS - ps] 678 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 3:21pm Subject: Re: Pittsburgh PA Narcotics Ops nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > A - The city of Pgh. system is a type IIi system [and therefore does not > need a fleet map - ps]. The answer is wrong anyway. Type IIi systems DO NEED fleetmaps. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 679 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 4:20pm Subject: Sharing info with the public in an anti-terrorism context nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Issue #12 of the Homeland Defense Journal http://www.homelanddefensejournal.com/ contains an article on a "high-speed notification system" used by the Bowling Green (KY) police to share urgent information with police, other public safety agencies, and the general public. The article starts on page 18. -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 680 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:43pm Subject: From DISPATCH MONTHLY - public notification nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email We've mentioned this before, but in the wake of the recent southern California kidnapping/murder, it bears repeating: Art Botterel has rigged up an elegant link between the state's Electronic Digital Information System (EDIS) and e-mail, allowing anyone to receive messages sent through the system, which is operated by the Governor's Office of Emergency Services. Messages include weather, earthquake and other natural disaster alerts, along with major BOLOs. Surf here and check the "Child Abduction Alert" message that was sent July 17th: http://www.incident.com/edismail.html 681 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:27pm Subject: There Is No "R" In Fiend hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.geocities.com/zerg90/INscannerJunky.html (My dictionary says that "fiend" means "a deadly enemy" - cool). 682 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:20pm Subject: 911th Digest from bosal hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The bosal list recently distributed its 911th digest - we must be coming up on 3 years worth of activity - sending out breaking news for the Boston Massachusetts area ----------------------- Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2002, 12:45pm (EDT+4) From: bosal@yahoogroups.com To: bosal@yahoogroups.com Subject: Digest Number 911 Reply to: bosal@yahoogroups.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/TPvn8A/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/jFYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------- There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. 33264 MSP Stolen Car Chase Columbus Ave From: 2. 33264 MSP Car Crashed Foot Pursuit From: ______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:11:37 -0400 From: Subject: 33264 MSP Stolen Car Chase Columbus Ave ______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:17:47 -0400 From: Subject: 33264 MSP Car Crashed Foot Pursuit ______________________________________________ ________________________________________ 683 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:23pm Subject: Poison Umbrellas and Shoe Phones hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the NEXTEL1 list http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/07/19/spy.museum.opens/index.html I thought it was the Swedish Prime Minister that got the poison umbrella tratment. 684 From: public@... Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 10:24pm Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Indiana Department of Corrections :IN :Law Enforcement :Indiana State :Database :http://www.in.gov/indcorrection/ODSdisclaim.html :Indiana inmate lookup. Includes sentencing and charge information for currently incarcerated inmates. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 685 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:22pm Subject: FDNY Union Wants Grand Jury To Investigate Radios hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://webpublisher.lexisnexis.com/index.asp?layout=story&gid=1990000599&cid=110\ 003011&did=46B1-J0Y0-009T-Y4BM-00000-00&b=s Many openness issues here - the ban against intercepting and divulging have probably always hindered attempts to publicize problems with radio system - confidentiality restrictions are being placed on tape of WTC radio comms - etc 686 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 0:47pm Subject: Tech Version of National Guard brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email U.S. Senate Passes Bill to Create Tech Version of National Guard The U.S. Senate Friday passed legislation that would create a technology equivalent of the National Guard. The Science and Technology Emergency Mobilization Act, sponsored by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Sen. George Allen (R-VA) calls for teams of volunteers with technology and science expertise, organized in advance and available to be mobilized on short notice; a "virtual technology reserve" that would consist of a database of private-sector equipment and expertise that emergency officials could call upon in an emergency; a Center for Civilian Homeland Security Technology Evaluation that would serve as a national clearinghouse and test bed for innovative technologies relating to emergency prevention and response, and a Web portal to provide individuals and companies with a single point to access the center and a single point of contact at each federal agency participating in the Center for Civilian Homeland Security; and a "communications interoperability" pilot program awarding seven grants of $5 million each. The grants would help fund pilot projects to enable communications systems used by fire, law enforcement, and emergency preparedness and response agencies to work together for cross-communication in disaster situations. The House Science Committee has passed a similar version of the Senate bill in the committee's portion of the Homeland Security package. Source: Agence France-Presse Washington Post [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 687 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 0:56pm Subject: BACK TO ANALOG brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Williamsport PA police did the same thing abt 2 years ago- Bob -------------------------------------- The July 20 issue of the West Australian carries a story about a digital police radio communications system that could not be made to work effectively with other high-tech components. As a result, the police department has decided to abandon the digital system and continue using its analog system. If it had been completed, the digital system would have been valued at $45 million. To read the West Australian story, use the following link: http://www.thewest.com.au/20020720/news/perth/tw-news-perth-home-sto64851.html 688 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 1:52pm Subject: Miami Police Chief Will Learn To Count hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/3715225.htm Too bad the citizens cant go directly to the Miami PD website and listen in as the field troops do their stuff. Seems like a damn cheap way to rebuild the community's confidence in their PD. Peter S 689 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:08pm Subject: FDNY Reviewing Its Procedures hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://firehouse.com/news/2002/7/22_APfdnyreview.html Note - they reviewed interviews, computer records, and hours of RADIO TAPES - see how important these tapes are - see how closely they are held 690 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:11pm Subject: FDNY Records Shouldn't Be Open Per Mayor hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://firehouse.com/news/2002/7/23_APfdnyrec.html Its is amazing how many major media stories there have been recently concerning public safety radio systems. September 11, 2001 FDNY WTC New York City 691 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:46pm Subject: EFF Takes notice of anti-radio receiver laws in new cyber terror hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email EFF Takes notice of anti-radio receiver laws in new cyber terror bill check out the Electronic freedom Foundation for more info - they want people to bombrd Capitol Hill with Emails about this 692 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 9:40pm Subject: Denver Area Online Scanners hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.scancolorado.com/onlinescanner.htm Laramie Wyoming also 693 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 9:53pm Subject: Boulder County Colorado Live Scanner Feed hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.co.boulder.co.us/sheriff/com/live_radio.htm These folks have it all on their website - freqs - agencies - live scanner feed - info - etc 694 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 9:57pm Subject: Back Door To The El Paso County Digital TRS hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The USAF Academy TRS is repeating EPSO Red and EPSO-1 (Sheriff's Dispatch channel 1). 407.15, 407.95, 407.35, 409.75, 409.225, 409.5. 695 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jul 25, 2002 10:01pm Subject: Boulder Mtn Website Lists Pager Tones hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.bouldermountainfire.org/ Colorado Look under Database (lower right side) for list of all county stations and units, plus pager tones for all county FDs. They also have a newsticker with wildfire stories. 696 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 4:49pm Subject: Re: FDNY Records Shouldn't Be Open Per Mayor nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > Its is amazing how many major media stories there have been recently > concerning public safety radio systems. It's also amazing how ignorant New York City officials suddenly are about the public nature of their communications, or the fact that the recordings they so desperately want to hide were on websites within days of Septermber 11, 2001! -Dave, NF2G, NYSING-01 697 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:37pm Subject: Monroe County WV 911 Problems hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Call 911: Emergency providers question priorities in Monroe http://mrtmag.com/newsarticle.asp?Newsarticleid=384562&SiteID=29&magazineid=3&mo\ de=print This article mentions scanners in a good light and in a bad light. 698 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:50pm Subject: Queens Resident Is Glad To Have Scanner hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6mK%258.8310%24ub.4324%40nwrddc02.gnilink.n\ et&output=gplain 699 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:52pm Subject: Eluding The Google Grasp hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Net Users Try to Elude the Google Grasp Some people are trying to reduce their electronic presence, and discovering that doing so is not as simple as it would seem. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/25/technology/circuits/25GOOG.html?todaysheadline\ s --------------------- Bottom line - if you are concerned about your privacy, you might want to just post anonymously from a throw away Email account. Sometimes you can sign up for them at a public (library) terminal - which might make you feel a little more private. Google also has a means for posting to newsgroups - I read that they were having some problems with it - but apparently it is back online now. Peter S 700 From: David Pinero Date: Sun Jul 28, 2002 4:22pm Subject: Re: Eluding The Google Grasp dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Yep, this is an excellent article. While acknowledging that I frequently punch in the names and e-mail addresses of friends, new acquaintances, etc., into search engines to get extra insight about who I'm really dealing with when possible, this is a potential problem wrought by the evolution of powerful search engines. I like the way the article accurately portrayed Google as a potential "centralized database" of everything (I notice David Brin is mentioned). Think tanks and writers might have anticipated the rise of such a thing decades ago, but we got the real deal today. Even if you actively avoid building an online, the caveats of others working on their own might put you there anyway. Imagine being someone's target of abuse and harassment and never even stepping foot online. You move to a different city, keep your phone number unpublished, and even use a PO box. You might be safe, but you might not. All it takes is for you to become involved with a project that someone concurrently or later "websizes". A halfway competent web user could find your name as a contributing party to, say, a church recipe book. The church has an address - so viola, you're traced back to your city if not neighborhood with one Google search. Awhile ago when it was neat to put new ideas online, I thought about something like www.webprints.com. The concept was to build a database, an online museum of sorts, of web markers left behind by people who later become famous or infamous. We sort of got a taste of that potency with the Heavens Gate fiasco. It's still a good idea in my opinion if anyone out there has the capital - but would perpetuate the hypothetical problem presented in this article! Dave --- zerg90@... wrote: > Net Users Try to Elude the Google Grasp > Some people are trying to reduce their electronic presence, and > discovering that doing so is not as simple as it would seem. > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/25/technology/circuits/25GOOG.html?todaysheadline\ s > > --------------------- > > Bottom line - if you are concerned about your privacy, you might want to > just post anonymously from a throw away Email account. Sometimes you can > sign up for them at a public (library) terminal - which might make you > feel a little more private. > > Google also has a means for posting to newsgroups - I read that they > were having some problems with it - but apparently it is back online > now. > > Peter S > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com 701 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jul 29, 2002 1:05pm Subject: PA STATEWIDE SYSTEM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I had an interesting conversation with a trooper in the Pa State Police the other day-- I was out on a story[I work for a TV station} I noticed his car had an open sky two way radio and an MDT. The radio was turned on but not operational--the MDT was on but would only display loaded info--ie: Vehicle Code. It was not hooked up with the "system" Anyway he was shocked to hear that no longer would he have direct two radio contact, with local pd's, by simply turning a switch-[most around here run VHF] in fairness the state radio manager points out that every county will have an open sky two way at the 911 centers and that the system can be patched into the local systems--but again that takes time--seconds can count when your chasing the bad guys or your being shot at// He was also shocked to hear the range limitations of 800 MHz---why there has to be so many towers---the cost overruns [currently 52 million dollars] and the fact that if there's an ice storm in rural areas of the state why he might not have any comms... Why? Well the radio contract calls for 95 per cent coverage in each of the 67 counties.. thats possible in the metro areas BUT not in the rural areas--to fill in the "blanks" small mini repeaters called "cells" will be mounted on wherever they can find space--ie" telephone poles. Any way some of those "cells" are tied into the open sky system via phone lines---an ice storm can easily bring down the lines---no lines---no contact! The trooper did express confidence that the "experts" in Harrisburg will get all the bugs worked out. I hope he's right. My brother is a local police officer and he may someday need to contact a trooper for back up. Bob WB3DYE 702 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 5:19pm Subject: Scanner Prompts Safety Article hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=348&show=archivedetails&ArchiveI\ D=445239&om=1 Alva Oklahoma - July 2002 - they still apparently do not have the 911E system in operation - Peter S 703 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Jul 30, 2002 5:23pm Subject: Mobile Computers In Law Enforcement hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://cnniw.yellowbrix.com/pages/cnniw/Story.nsp?story_id=31797339&ID=cnniw&sca\ tegory=Telecommunications%3AWireless& private = secret Anybody ever seen a study that shows that mobile computers actually make crime rates go down? I havent. Peter S 704 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:27pm Subject: Nuke Test Site Radio System hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=mot&script=411&layout=-6&\ item_id=303913 That is a Motorola Press Release - I was suprised to see this much info included. Note - UHF system - probably around 410Mhz - (not exactly interoperable with the new Las Vegas TRS on 800 Mhz, nor the new State TRS on 150 Mhz) 705 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:32pm Subject: The Scanner Leads The Way hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.dailyrepublic.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/July/28-372\ -NEWS6.TXT Story about a firefighting family in Suisun City California. The youngest girl in the family followed into the firefighting tradition after listening to her sister and father on the family scanner. 706 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 2:11pm Subject: Florida Highway Patrol Website hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.fhp.state.fl.us/traffic/index.html This URL leads to their online CAD. They also list all of their radio codes. (As Homer would whisper to Marge - "I think they know that we are listening to them".) 707 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 3:22pm Subject: HR3482 Explained by Monitoring Times hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.groveenterprises.com/wwwboard/messages/402.html This is the bill that will expose scanner listeners to felony charges. 708 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 3:58pm Subject: Scanner Dealers Under Investigation hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.groveenterprises.com/wwwboard/messages/401.html Questions about the legalities of offering un "typed" digital scanners for pre-sale. ----------------- (If I was a real conspiracy buff I might think that someone is trying to keep a digital scanner out of my hands). 709 From: "David T. Stark" Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 4:12pm Subject: Re: Scanner Dealers Under Investigation nf2g Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > (If I was a real conspiracy buff I might think that someone is trying to > keep a digital scanner out of my hands). That's why conspiracy buffs aren't usually taken very seriously. They tend to manifest a cavalier disregard of facts. :-) I don't mean you, personally. I caught the "If I was..." in your comment. The fact to which I refer is that it has been illegal for decades to offer radios for sale (meaning actually taking orders for them) when they have not been approved by the FCC. -Dave, NF2G 710 From: public@... Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 5:34pm Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Federal Aviation Administration :AK :Other :Alaska State :Web Video :http://akweathercams.faa.gov/wxcams/map.php :Alaska pilots rely on FAA implementation of these solar/wind powered webcams to plan flights. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 711 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 8:03pm Subject: CNN Transcript - Kern County Rescue of 2 Girls hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0208/02/se.04.html scanners are mentioned in 2 places - animal control officer and LA Commander - I cannot tell if they are police radios with scan option - or actual scanners - anyone know? Peter S 712 From: David Pinero Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 9:43pm Subject: Video Vigilante dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is interesting on several levels. First, here we have someone fed up with prostitution in their neighborhood. The guy is so frustrated, he actually ventures out from time to time on missions of video documentation. The target subjects are no less than the prostitutes and their Johns, frequently in action. Interesting enough! Now, at this web site (www.videovigilante.com), he posts vidcaps of each incident along with as much official police information related to the filed case disposition as he can. The library he keeps online so far is available for review at: http://www.videovigilante.com/myreports.htm One of the posted incidents describes how a responding officer actually turned on his efforts, and him personally. The officer, concluded an official notice to the webmaster, made false assertions that he (the videographer) was breaking the law, and would be arrested any way the officer could get at him. The entire apology to the webmaster is viewable at: http://www.videovigilante.com/policeletter.htm The latter demonstration of inappropriate behavior, is of course, something we all need to anticipate as videocams of all kinds integrate seamlessly with point-of-presence living. When all of our cell phones are effectively broadband TV transmitters, public safety is simply going to have to deal with A) an increase in calls regarding crimes in progress, and B) the rights of individuals to 'check' democracy by being allowed to record events and incidents as they occur. It's a huge under appreciated issue, and we get to watch it unfold (if not outright stoke the debate a bit)! :) Dave ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com 713 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 1:04pm Subject: Re: [snRCMA] CNN Transcript - Kern County Rescue of 2 Girls hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I just read the entire transcript - very, very, very interesting - it almost seems that the ACO was afraid to report the sighting since she had a scanner in her possession. ("Control One" is probably the dispatcher at the County EOC - who might or might not be available 24/7 to the ACO). Peter S 714 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 1:27pm Subject: Glynn County Georgia GA Getting New Radio System hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from the PrivateWirelessForum list ---------------- "There are going to be a lot of people showing up at Radio Shack come Thursday morning wondering why their scanner isn't working," said Rupert Chastain, a civilian who closely monitors police activities in Glynn County. http://industryclick.com/magnewsarticle.asp?newsarticleid=438586&magazineid=3&Si\ teID=3 715 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 1:38pm Subject: IT in PDs hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From JUSTNet (Justice Technology Information Network) System Engineering for Law Enforcement Agencies A Guide for applying Information Technology in Law Enforcement - March 2001 http://www.nlectc.org/pdffiles/infotechguide.pdf ---------------- Some lists of interest - all at Yahoogroups.com - LMR (land mobile radio) - PrivateWirelessForum (detailed info on private land mobile radio systems) - NEXTEL1 (detailed info on NEXTEL and other wireless radio systems) 716 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 2:10pm Subject: Openness of the Congressional Kind hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.masslive.com/news/unionnews/index.ssf?/news/pcommunity/editlie.html this editorial calls for the FBI to back off on their attempt to give lie detector tests to members of Congress Note - the Capitol Hill Police use a open radio system in the VHF band using high powered repeaters that can be heard over large distances 717 From: David Pinero Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 0:15am Subject: Guerrilla Journalism Launched dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Okay, having already missed too many top headline news items relevant to the issue of Guerrilla Journalism in this country, I got my ass in gear this weekend and officially launched the Guerrilla Journalism website. It's really just a gateway to join the mailing list (how many can a webhead like me run exactly?), and to review a blog similar to all those running at any of my other sites. I would like to dry up issues related to Guerrilla Journalism and criticism of corporate press domination within the Openness campaign, and move all that to the Guerrilla Journalism campaign. If you have an interest in that issue, please sign up for that list and make your relevant postings there. More information, including how to do just that, is available at the website. For those who really just care about issues related to the closing of public safety radio and other communications, this should lead to a more focused stream of thought here. The Guerrilla Journalism website is at: http://www.guerrillajournalism.org Dave ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com 718 From: public@... Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 1:43am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! LISTSERV NEWSLETTER: The Openness.org listserv has been converted to a newsletter, headline news, and notification system for new entries into the National Index of Open Examples. I apologize for this inconvenience. I hope that if you have information to contribute you will still do so by sending that information to public@.... Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http:// Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 719 From: public@... Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 11:52am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! DIGITAL RADIO SOUGHT OVER ANALOG: Evidently, analog public safety radios were considered the root of some communications failure during the September 11 attacks. This is a twist -- most of the information circulating through Openness.org and communication enthusiast vines reflects that digital radio is more of a headache. In fact, the digital radios were originally taken OUT of service after a short test run in New York prior to 9/11 because there were certain issues. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/05/attacks.fdny.radios.ap/index.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 720 From: public@... Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 11:59am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! MORE ON VIDEO TAPING INTERROGATIONS....: Increasingly, defense attorneys are playing the "secrecy" card. If police are so professional and trustworthy, why can't the professional process of interrogation be completely videotaped? With video apparatus so cheap, and the process of prosecution so critical, it is gradually becoming a festering questions. Why wouldn't you videotape a complete interrogation? The burden is falling on prosecution teams to explain themselves. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/trib/20020806/lo_sun/police_agenc\ ies_still_reluctant_to_videotape_interrogations_of_suspects Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 721 From: public@... Date: Sun Sep 8, 2002 7:05am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! BANK ROBBERY FOILED BY SCANNIST: Last month a bank robber was thwarted by a young man with his scanner. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/local/states/texas/3852904.htm Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 722 From: public@... Date: Sun Sep 8, 2002 4:54pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! REPORTS CONCLUDING AMERICANS OKAY WITH WEB-STRIPPING DISTORTED: A report came out last week that indicated most Americans did not mind information being taken off the web that might aid terrorists. A surprising percentage of Americans in the study, 69 percent to be exact, thought there was nothing wrong with regulating people to government reading rooms, or simply not having the information available at all - if the information didn't help terrorists.

I was surprised enough to actually look at the report and found the problem. The study was very specific about what information gets pulled off the web, even though all the news coverage of this report keeps the notion of sanctioned web-stripping very generalized. In reality, the questions dealt with specifics such as information posted by chemical or nuclear facilities. When it came to public safety, such as whether or not sex offenders should be posted online, more and more Americans agreed such information should be posted. The entire report, while presented as otherwise in most reports, skips the more thorny question of what information could be construed to help radical militants or not. A conclusion that it's okay to strip governmental web content (and possibly public safety web content) is piggbacking off a common sense conclusion that it's okay not to post the formulas of nerve gas or nuclear bombs. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-956937.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 723 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 1:37am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! OPEN BROADCASTING FRIGHTENS OFF HOME INVADERS: Rhetorical convention has it that criminals can exploit Open Broadcasting to facilitate their crimes. In this case, the certainty of police response, overheard on a homeowner's police scanner as he was being robbed, scared away the crooks. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=942566 Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 724 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 1:44am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! I-TEAM USES SCANNER TO CHECK POLICE RESPONSE: Sadly, some police departments might use this article as reinforcement against Open Broadcasting. Others might cite the power of Open Broadcasting here as an important conduit of checks and balances. A television news team boldly follows calls on the police scanner, timing response. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.kamr.com/Global/story.asp?S=854288 Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 725 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 1:50am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! GOOD CITIZENSHIP, NO MATTER WHAT: A woman is tipped off to robbery suspects via a police scanner. She spots the suspects, they are apprehended, and scores of crimes are cleared in the process. This article discusses when good citizenship is good citizenship, and when it's just plain snooping. Good people we are, as scannists, we realize it's a grey area. However, the balance generally weighs in favor of public safety and heroic stories. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.saljournal.com/stories/091802/opi_eddy.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 726 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:09am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! TOW TRUCK DRIVER, EXTRA EAR FOR POLICE: Still another success story. A tow truck driver listening to his police scanner overhears a bolo description for an armed robbery suspect. He spots the suspect, calls the police, who then soundly arrest him. Note that in some areas, tow truck drivers with scanners are a regarded nuisance. This article appears as one of the listed news briefs. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/local_regional/ashl_events09082002.htm Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 727 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:15am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! SCANNER TRAFFIC RUSTLES COMATOSE OFFICER: This is an interesting one. A police scanner is wired next to the bed of a comatose police officer in the hopes it will stir up mental activity and resurrection. This heartbreaking story of creative compassion tells of how the officer's call signs are repeated hourly over the crackling radio. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.modbee.com/local/story/4391105p-5417504c.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 728 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:21am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! MORE ON SERIAL ROBBER'S ARREST, THANKS TO SCANNIST: There are few, if any, documented cases of police suffering fatally from police scanner bearing criminals. There are countless more stories about wide area notification via police scanner leading to the capture of a criminal who thought he was only eluding police rather than everyone. This is the second story about a woman who helped police zero in on a man said to be responsible for up to 7 robberies before his capture! Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.saljournal.com/stories/091702/new_robber.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 729 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:32am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Illinois Department of Corrections :IL :Law Enforcement :Illinois State :Database :http://www.idoc.state.il.us/inmates/search.htm :Search inmate database of the Illinois Department of Corrections. Seems to include current and past inmates. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 730 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:38am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Kentucky Department of Corrections :KY :Law Enforcement :Kentucky State :Database :http://www.cor.state.ky.us/~kool/ :Search for currently incarcerated inmates in the Kentucky penal system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 731 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:42am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Gwinnett County Sheriff's DepartGwinnett :GA :Law Enforcement :Gwinnett County :Directory :http://www.gwinnettcountysheriff.com/Docket%20Book.htm :Site details current inmates of the Gwinnett County Sherrif's Office. Uses alphabetical index and time referencable links to presnet "docket" information. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 732 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:46am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Oklahoma Department of Corrections :OK :Law Enforcement :Oklahoma State :Database :http://docapp3n.doc.state.ok.us:86/linc_site/lauracus.lincfo_webdb_param_name.s\ how :Search for Oklahoma Department of Corrections inmates. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 733 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:49am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Mecklenburg County Sherrif's Office :NC :Law Enforcement :Mecklenburg County :Database :http://mcmf.co.mecklenburg.nc.us:3007/cjjl01w/cjjl/webnull :Search inmates in the Mecklenburg County jail. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 734 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:50am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Mecklenburg County Sherrif's Office :NC :Law Enforcement :Mecklenburg County :Database :http://mcmf.co.mecklenburg.nc.us:3007/cjcr01w/cjjl/webnull :Search for those with outstanding arrest warrants in Mecklenburg County. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 735 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:54am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! USA TODAY ARTICLES ABOUT PRISON RECORDS ONLINE: While beefing up Openness.org content and database tonight, I came across this USA Today article that ran way back in 2000. This site, of course, indexes the kinds of databases the article talks about. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/cti948.htm Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 736 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:56am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :McCracken County Regional Jail :KY :Law Enforcement :McCracken County :Database :http://www.mcccj.com/lookup/inmate.html :Lookup current inmates of the McCracken County jail. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 737 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:09am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Federal Bureau of Prisons :FD :Law Enforcement :United States :Database :http://www.bop.gov/ :Look up current federal prisoners. This goes to the general framed website. Pick "inmate locator". When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 738 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:11am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Georgia Department of Corrections :GA :Law Enforcement :Georiga State :Database :http://www.dcor.state.ga.us/OffenderQuery/asp/OffenderQueryForm.asp :Reference current and past inmates of Georgia. Dramatic interface. Big photos. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 739 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:13am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Arizona Department of Corrections :AZ :Law Enforcement :Arizona State :Database :http://adcprisoninfo.az.gov/ISearch.htm :Search current and past inmates of Arizona's penal system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 740 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:14am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Arkansas Department of Corrections :AR :Law Enforcement :Arkansas State :Database :http://www.state.ar.us/doc/inmate_info/ :Search inmates of the Arkansas State penal system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 741 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:20am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Michigan Department of Corrections :MI :Law Enforcement :Michigan State :Database :http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/ASP/otis2.html :Search for active/inacive inmates of the Michigan State penal system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 742 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:21am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Montana Department of Corrections :MT :Law Enforcement :Montana State :Database :http://app.discoveringmontana.com/conweb/index.html :Search for inmates of the Montana State penal system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 743 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:22am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Montana Department of Corrections :MT :Law Enforcement :Montana State :Database :http://svor2.doj.state.mt.us:8010/index.htm :Search for sexual or violent offenders of the Montana State penal system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 744 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:25am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Nebraska Department of Corrections :NE :Law Enforcement :Nebraska State :Database :http://www1.nexnet.state.ne.us:9380/ne/html/Corrections/COR_input.html :Search the inmate population of Nebraska's penal system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 745 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:27am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Nevada Department of Corrections :NV :Law Enforcement :Nevada State :Database :http://www.ndoc.state.nv.us/ncis/lookup.php?btnReset=TRUE :Search Nevada State penal system's inmates. Makes distinction between active/inactive. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 746 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:28am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :North Carolina Department of Correction :NC :Law Enforcement :North Carolina State :Database :http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/search1 :Search for current and past inmates of the North Carolina penal system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 747 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:31am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Pennsylvania Department of Corrections :PA :Law Enforcement :Pennsylvania State :Database :http://www.cor.state.pa.us/locator.html :Search for active inmates of the Pennsylvania State penal system. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 748 From: public@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:27pm Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :cleveland police :OH :Law Enforcement : :Web Audio : : When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 749 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Oct 13, 2002 6:06am Subject: Broadcasting directly to listeners? dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A story running right now via Reuters tells of how the agency used a police scanner to monitor the outcome of another suspicious shooting in Maryland late Saturday. The way the story presents it, police might have actually used the scanner to communicate directly to reporters (and citizens no doubt) who might have been listening in. Look at the following paragraph: "Just for your information, there was a shooting in Prince George's county. However, it does not have the signature or the relevant factors -- it does not appear to be a sniper incident. That's what the initial shutdown was for, however," an officer said on the D.C. scanner. The complete story follows: Maryland Shooting Not the Sniper, Police Say Sun Oct 13, 1:33 AM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A person was shot in a Washington D.C. suburb late on Saturday, but the killing was not the work of the sniper who has been terrorizing the capital city area, police said. "It's not related," a spokeswoman for the Prince George's County, Maryland, police department said. "We were taking every precaution. But it's not related." The shooting had forced authorities to set up checkpoints on major highways around Washington on the assumption it was the sniper who has claimed 10 victims, including eight dead, over the last 11 days. But police reopened the highways after midnight. A Washington D.C. police scanner monitored by Reuters said the shooting in the town of Oxon Hill, Maryland did not have the hallmarks of the cool, methodical sniper. "Just for your information, there was a shooting in Prince George's county. However, it does not have the signature or the relevant factors -- it does not appear to be a sniper incident. That's what the initial shutdown was for, however," an officer said on the D.C. scanner. A box-shaped white truck was the focus on Saturday of the hunt to snare the Tarot-card sniper who has traumatized the normally tranquil suburbs of the nation's capital. The sniper, who uses a high-velocity rifle to pick off random victims while concealed in a sniper's nest at a comfortable distance, remains at large despite a massive law enforcement operation, including the FBI (news - web sites). Physical evidence has been scant, with one taunting clue apparently left by the shooter near where a 13-year-old victim was shot: A Tarot "Death" card with the words "Dear Mr. Policeman, I am God" scrawled on the back. The killings have sent shock waves throughout the region and re-energized the debate, in the media if not among politicians, over gun control in the United States. The chillingly methodical killer claimed his 10th victim and eighth fatality on Friday, police confirmed on Saturday. Prince George's County east of Washington is an economically diverse area that has sections prone to late-night, often drug-related violence. David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com 750 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Nov 10, 2002 1:25am Subject: FW: [Floridarailfan] Hobby-related radio scanners: HR3482 and you..... dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Not sure as to the validity of these comments regarding HR3482. There isn't any internet buzz yet that explicitely declares this bill has anything to do with outlawing scanning analog or unencrypted signals. However, it wouldn't surprise me in today's national security climate. In any event, I'm forwarding it along to the list. If anyone has insight, I'll re-post their comments. Dave -----Original Message----- From: WK2SHR@... [mailto:WK2SHR@...] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 1:16 PM To: airlinerhistory@yahoogroups.com; airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com; Propliners@yahoogroups.com; All-Railroads@yahoogroups.com; BrevardModelRailroaders@yahoogroups.com; FloridaEastCoastRailway@yahoogroups.com; Floridarailfan@yahoogroups.com; HOrailroading@yahoogroups.com; New-York-Central-Railroad@yahoogroups.com; PENNSYmodeler@yahoogroups.com; PRR@yahoogroups.com; railroadwriters@yahoogroups.com; NECrails@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Floridarailfan] Hobby-related radio scanners: HR3482 and you..... All: Item of Potential Interest Affecting Hobby Communications. This ought to knock your socks off........it's a real kick to the head. A bit off topic for some, but if you are a railfan, model railroader, airplane enthusiast, aircraft modeler, or even a radio fan, and use radio scanners as part of your hobby, take note of the following (from another list): "A bill, HR3482 Cyber Electronic Listening Act that was recently passed by the US House and is expected to be passed by the US Senate may make scanner listening illegal in the United States. Section 2701(b) makes it a felony to intercept unscrambled or unencrypted electronic communications". Part of the "Homeland Security" effort, it goes on to state that you are only entitled to listen to communications that were meant to be intercepted such as commercial broadcast (AM, FM, TV, etc). Private communications services (two way radio) including police monitoring, transport services, and emergency services communications were NEVER meant to be received by the general public and now "compromises" homeland security. (Note that the Govt is "redefining" things here......) Buried within the text of HR3482, the recently passed Cyber Electronic Security Act (CESA), are two amendments that may greatly and significantly impact the use, production, importation and operation of radio scanners in the US in the immediate future. Refer to CESA sections 108 "Protecting Privacy", which amends Title 18 of the U.S. Code, which further relates to intercepting and disclosing wireless communications. The changes are small (and very, very subtle), but potentially significant, especially in Section 2701: Section 2701(b) which now makes it a felony to intercept any unscrambled or uncrypted wire or electronic communication for HOBBY purposes. In addition, there's some scary language down in Section 4 of potential significance to scanner listeners. This section says: (1) Except as otherwise specifically provided in this chapter any person who (c) intentionally discloses, or endeavors to disclose, to any other person the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the inter- ception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this subsection; (d) intentionally uses, or endeavors to use, the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this subsection; or shall be punished as provided in subsection (4) or shall be subject to suit as provided in subsection (5). While the foregoing is NOT law yet, apparently unexpected changes are being thrust upon those of us who use scanners to supplements our hobby interests. Part of the Govts plan to keep us deaf, dumb and blind? (First, there was gun control, then smoking -- now radio scanners....what's next???...). If you check the web site for this legislation, read the wording several times because the context changes each time you read and reread it. All is very, very subtle, and it's the subtleness that has very wide application - as well as the wording, especially in the definitions of "electronic" and "wireless" which should be of concern to us. There is wide discretionary latitude here which, if this becomes law, could make the mere possession of a scanner a serious offense. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Florida Railfan Page http://www.geocities.com/Kentucky86.geo/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Floridarailfan-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 751 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:40am Subject: Similar Predicament as Railfanners dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email If you thought whipping out a scanner to listen to activity at a fireground scene was harmless age-old scanner geek stuff, think again. Unfortunately, as scannists, we have not done enough to keep our scanners visible and high profile. The result? Facing intense scrutiny amid new security concerns, many railfanners, scanning enthusiasts, "plane spotters", and other hobbyists of the Asperger ilk, are finding themselves frisked and whisked while going about their enjoyable pastimes. It raises several interesting points. First, these inquisitions reveal how seemingly intolerant American society has become of offbeat hobbies that, as this article puts it, have grown men standing around watching trains. It isn't that anyone is saying such people are bad per se. It's more that they struggle with the excuse "I'm just excited by these things!" and in some extreme cases, putting people under the microscope of national security suspicion. Is NFL football the only place left in America for the non-productive modes of people's minds to dwell? It's getting ridiculous. Like remote control cars? Maybe you're planning to build a remote controlled bomb bot! Like taking pictures? Maybe you're cataloging for the next 'spectacular' terrorist attack! Like coin collecting? You counterfeiter! Where does it stop? America is supposed to BE a place where these diverse and sometimes peculiar interests and obsessions are allowed to get weirder and weirder until perhaps they culminate into something positive. The freedom for our minds to evolve around the cold hard rocks of reality any way we want them to is one reason America's people grow up to lead the world in technology, art, and economics. Even when we aren't the sharpest knives in the drawers compared to many other countries, academically speaking. Open Broadcasting, though we tout it as a way to combat organized militants, will instead be viewed by many as a potential loophole serving opposite means. Today if you cart around a scanner, your chances of being stopped, questioned, and stored (at least digitally), are about 50% I'd say -- depending where you're doing the walking. Had more of us mainstreamed the hobby of scanning by doing exactly that prior to 9/11 this might not be. Railfanners, one of which I am at some level (I've got a thing for urban rail transit only which, to the railfanning purist, wouldn't qualify me), are getting the third degree and as a result are about to go underground as individuals for something as benign as watching a train cross a bridge. If, as the article alludes, this is something that will pass in time, we can only hope the same can be said for scannists like you and I. Open communication was targeted for "correction" way before 9/11, and the intent to nail the coffin shut forever may have far more momentum behind it than the effort to stop people from lining up alongside tracks with cameras. Article follows from link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56984-2002Nov14.html Wronged Side of the Tracks? 'Railfans' Complain of Police Scrutiny in Terror Era advertisement Closed to the public, the world's largest operating steam locomotive still drew a throng last fall in Denison, Tex. (Tom Fox -- Dallas Morning News) By Don Phillips Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, November 15, 2002; Page A01 On a balmy Sunday afternoon late last month, Richard Whitenight did what he often does on his days off: He went to a busy railroad junction in Fort Worth to watch the trains roll by. But as he sat making notes about passing freight trains, two police cruisers approached. Over the next five hours, Whitenight -- who works for the police department in nearby Arlington, Tex. -- identified himself to the officers. Then he identified himself to the officers' supervisor, then a detective from a terrorism task force, then the FBI. They seized his trainspotter's notebook and grilled him about every mark and note in it. They searched his car and took photos of it, inside and out. Finally, he had to sign a form agreeing never to return to the location known as Tower 55. Whitenight is one of thousands, perhaps millions, of people around the world who spend much of their time observing and photographing railroad operations out of a love for trains. In general, railroads have encouraged these "railfans" as long as they do not trespass or interfere with operations. Railroads even hold contests to use railfan photographs in calendars, and the Association of American Railroads has started a Web site to encourage the hobby. But after the FBI announced last month it had credible reports that al Qaeda might be targeting railroads, a growing minority of railfans have been questioned and sometimes searched. A handful have even been threatened with arrest, for pursuing a hobby they have embraced for years. Law enforcement officers and train crews have been told to be on the lookout for suspicious characters asking detailed questions about railroad operations, taking notes and taking pictures of trains. It appears the descriptions of "terrorist" and "railfan" are the same. "It's an unfortunate coincidence," said Edward Hamburger, president of the Association of American Railroads. But he said railroads may be a terrorist target, and "we want them to know we're not a soft target. People have to recognize they will be approached, they will be questioned, they will be asked to move on." "Railfanning, by its very nature, is suspicious," said John Bromley, longtime head of public relations for Union Pacific, the nation's largest railroad. "It involves loitering, taking pictures and taking notes." Some railfans are railroaders themselves, some museum curators, professors and others with a link to railroading. Others come from all walks of life. Some become minutely specialized, such as one group that follows the movements of a single type of diesel locomotive. But most are like Whitenight, 54, a Vietnam-era Navy veteran who simply loves to watch trains. In fact, until the FBI warning, dozens of railfans would regularly gather at Tower 55, an old switching and signal tower where main lines of the Union Pacific and the Burlington Northern Santa Fe converge near downtown Fort Worth. A lot of the train crews came to know the group and often waved and smiled. "Some of the guys recognize us," Whitenight said. "They see us all the time. But now they've been told to report us." Even though "train crews sort of know a railfan when they see one," as Bromley put it, Union Pacific has ordered them to report all activity that might be remotely suspicious. That includes people taking pictures of trains, even if they are doing so legally and are not trespassing on railroad property. Railroad police or local police departments are then dispatched to check out the situation. Reports of suspicious activity are "up significantly" in the last few weeks, Bromley said. "We certainly aren't out to destroy an American tradition of watching trains, but we have to be careful," Bromley said. Norfolk Southern has taken similar steps, although Robert Fort, communications vice president, said railfans won't be subject to arrest unless they are trespassing. Even then police will generally just escort railfans off railroad property, he said. "Tact and diplomacy are the order of the day," Fort said. Spokesmen for Burlington Northern Santa Fe, Amtrak and CSX Transportation say they are not specifically targeting photographers but have asked crews to report suspicious activity. Normally, police who encounter railfans simply check identities and record names and other basic information. But a few encounters go beyond that. Internet chat groups have been filled with stories of conflicts with police and railroad employees, including one Union Pacific conductor who ran up a bank to a public street to shout at a railfan to stop taking pictures of his train. Jim Satterwhite of Greenville, Tex., president of Coastline Rail Services, was out photographing trains last weekend when his wife had a visit from police. It seems a Kansas City Southern Railway locomotive crew had reported his tag number. Shortly after the police visit, his wife received a call from a railroad official. Satterwhite said in an interview that as a 20-year Air Force veteran who now works in the railroad industry, he understands the need for safety and security. But "when do we become prisoners in our own homes?" he asked. Even before the FBI announcement, railfans said they had noticed an increasing police presence. Joseph Suarez, 17, of Carson, Calif., said he and a friend were ordered out of their parked car a few weeks back while waiting for a train and patted down by a Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy, who had trouble comprehending why their back seat was full of cameras, notebooks and train magazines. After his friend showed the deputy a business card advertising train photographs for sale, "that seemed to satisfy him a little bit." Finally, the deputy walked away, saying, "I don't have a problem with you being here." Nonetheless, Suarez said, they left the area and don't intend to go back for a while. Railfans aren't the only suspicious-looking characters who are merely hobbyists. Planespotters scour the world's airports to record and photograph airplanes. Greek authorities recently arrested several British and Dutch planespotters and charged them with espionage. They were released last week by a judge, who said it was clear they were merely following a hobby. One big difference between planespotters and trainspotters is that it is much easier to get close to the hundreds of thousands of miles of railroads, while most airports are fenced off and guarded. Even as police and the railroads view railfans with suspicion, Federal Railroad Administrator Alan Rutter says the railfan network could be "a real value" in spotting truly suspicious activity. Rutter said the government is already taking advantage of the intelligence-gathering abilities of railfans. In addition to perusing Web sites, an FRA spokesman said, the agency's field staff has begun asking people it knows to be legitimate railfans to report suspicious activity. The railfan intelligence-gathering capability is formidable. There are numerous Internet chat groups that keep up with almost everything unusual that moves on the railroad, from the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus train to trains carrying nuclear casks to storage sites. Those chat sites have been filled for weeks with advice on what to do about the growing police attention. That advice includes a caution that the railroads also stress: Don't trespass on railroad property. Many of the postings take a patriotic tone; many others express anger. But the advice also includes ways to look unthreatening, by wearing a shirt with a locomotive on it, for instance, or carrying railfan magazines to show police officers who never heard of the hobby. "As crazy as it sounds, you need to educate the cop about our strange hobby in under 60 seconds," wrote Todd Clark, the webmaster of Trainorders.com. Clark said in an interview that, for the most part, railroad police are familiar with the hobby but local police "think it's bizarre that grown men would be out there taking pictures of trains." Rutter suggested that railfans be "mellow" when approached by police. He said Whitenight was a good example of how to act: Cooperate, keep cool and understand that "everything passes in time." At the same time, he said the FRA now understands that it must help law enforcement agencies understand railfans. "We'll try to do what we can to let people know that railfans are out there," Rutter said. Most railfans take notes of some kind, often in a language all their own. "That ALBMDX-22 was 55 loads of mixed Toyotas and Nissans for the Midlothian unloading facility'' is one of the more jargon-free examples. Whitenight said the police in his case "didn't even recognize our terminology." "If even one of them had known what we were talking about," he said, "we could have cleared this up fast." Clark said the Federal Railroad Administration obviously is watching his Web site, because an official contacted him in May expressing concern about a person who asked about the location of certain bridges and wrote in broken English. That person turned out to be a legitimate Swiss railfan. The FRA also asked Clark to issue a caution on the Web site about being too specific about the location of bridges and tunnels. Most of his subscribers complied immediately, he said. Some railfans are advising their brothers to remain undercover as much as possible, not looking like railfans, keeping the car out of sight, taking one photo and moving to another location. This is becoming known as "guerrilla railfanning." "You mean like Poland in the 1960s?" said Nils Huxtable, a Canadian railfan who has traveled the world for decades taking pictures of steam locomotives, writing books and producing train calendars. In Eastern Europe years ago, he dodged the secret police to take forbidden railroad pictures. Huxtable said he has started to avoid the United States for railfan activities. "It's just not enjoyable being in that atmosphere," he said. C 2002 The Washington Post Company David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com 752 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 4:30pm Subject: Police Department: No More Blotter dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Kingston Penssylvania police department is reversing its standard practice of supplying police blotters to the public! There may be other departments that don't do blotters, but I've never heard of one. In any event, it's terrible that a department has decided to effectively reverse what appears to be an otherwise longstanding useful pact with the community to disclose its ongoing incidents. The Kingston Police Department says this could be a temporary thing. If you want to comment, you can make a general statement at: http://www.kingstonpa.org/contact.htm Mention the police department and I'm sure they'll or someone will get the messages. Article follows: Posted on Sat, Nov. 23, 2002 Kingston halts daily police log The mayor says borough's police blotter does not fit the legal definition, so the information does not have to be released. By BRIAN MALINA brianm@... KINGSTON - Mayor Jim Haggerty says the Kingston Police Department has no obligation to provide the public with a daily log listing police calls or arrests. Haggerty made the statement Thursday while discussing his administration's decision to - at least temporarily - stop Kingston's practice of supplying a police blotter daily. That decision flaunts state law requiring law enforcement agencies to provide a chronological list of arrests and incident reports that have been deemed public records by the courts, according to a representative of the Pennsylvania Newspaper Association. "The Pennsylvania courts have found that incident reports are the equivalent of police blotter and are public records. It's public information," said Teri Henning, media law counsel of the Pennsylvania Newspaper Association. Haggerty said he made the decision to pull police blotter after attending a local conference on Oct. 30 on changes to Pennsylvania's Right to Know Law. He said that seminar prompted him to review what information police provided to the public. A short memo posted at the Kingston police station on Nov. 15 stated: "Pending review of the municipality's obligation of the state Right to Know laws we have temporarily suspended the police blotter information." It also stated, "the municipality will continue to fully honor all its obligations under the Right to Know laws. Specific requests for information should be directed in writing to the administrator." Haggerty said the change doesn't violate state laws because Kingston's "police blotter" doesn't fit the legal definition of police blotter, which he defined as a chronological listing of arrests. Kingston had been posting the date, time, address and general nature of incidents daily. Haggerty said police had posted that information only as a convenience for the media. Henning agreed a police department might not have to post a police blotter, but must produce information about incidents upon request. Haggerty said people who have questions about a specific incident should ask police about it and police will address the requests individually. Haggerty also stressed he did not make the change to impair the media or the public, but to try to balance requests for information with the wishes of crime victims and witnesses. He also wants to make sure information that could hamper an ongoing police investigation is not released. When explaining his decision, Haggerty also stated that under changes to the state's Right to Know law, which go into effect on Dec. 26, agencies are not required to create public records that do not currently exist. The mayor argued that Kingston police do not create a "police blotter" during their normal course of business, therefore do not have to provide one. Even if that's the case, Henning said the changes do not take effect until Dec. 26 and do not change what information is considered a public record. Police Chief Daniel Beky did not return three calls over two days for comment. Haggerty said he plans to talk with Beky and Kingston Solicitor Harry Mattern to determine what information to release. Mattern said he had no knowledge of Kingston's decision to pull back police blotter. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com 753 From: David Pinero Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:10pm Subject: Re: [TampaScanning] Mall Riot!? dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Indeed, the world may never know. :) Frankly, I see in this demonstration a reminder of the danger on reliance of the "accredited media" to cover news. All we know as scannists (or at least all THIS scannist knows) was that at approximately 8:40 PM Saturday evening all hell broke loose at the University Square Mall. It had mall security screaming into their microphones about "500 people" and "needing help FAST", and HCSO responding in droves on the radio to establish a parameter around the mall, and then to evacuate it. Yes, EVACUATE it. It was so serious that on that night, two weeks before Christmas, whatever the heck happened, they had to close the mall an hour before scheduled closing. What did we see in the papers about it the next day? Squat. For the very love of God. Forget about the newsworthiness. What if it had been a terrorist attack unfolding disguised as a mere melee? I knew what was going on...but none of the dozens and dozens of people driving past my window in the direction of that mall did. How did I know? I knew because so far Hillsborough County incidentally has its police channels open to the public. But how "peasantry" would anyone feel if they didn't? What if I or someone I cared about were hurt because Hillsborough County decided only a few select media organizations should be able to hear what's really going on out there at any given time? And what if those media organizations took luscious ad dollars from the mall and decided, out of 'perceputual respect' (ho ho), not to make a breaking news issue out of it so the mall could be spared a little bad publicity? That's what those who advocate closed radio networks are for. And every now and again I am reminded why I am not through incidents like this. Yes, something happened at the God Damned University Square Mall in Tampa Florida at approximately 9:00 PM on the night of December 14. It sounded like a riot, and it took the full bruntal force of our local law enforcement to respond, evacuate, and contain it. Was it a big thing or a little thing? Were surrounding residents of the mall notified as quickly as possible? Were the agitators silently rounded up anEvergladesff to the everglades never to return? To answer these questions you'll just have to do what the 200,000 other residents of Tampa are doicricketsn to the night cricketts. Because Bay News 9, WFLA, the Tampa Tribune, and every other accredited media outlet, ain't gonna tell ya. Embrace the new world. :) Dave PS. That felt pretty good. I miss the ol' Openness campaign. --- RJ RJ wrote: > what did it end up being? > Russ Bradenton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pinero" > To: "'dirk'" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:06 PM > Subject: RE: [TampaScanning] Mall Riot!? > > > > > > I just got back from a movie and am listening to the captured scan > audio > > now. It sounded pretty serious but there is nothing in mainstream > news > > yet. At some point, according to the audio, they let first-floor > > shoppers back in the mall and ticket holding moviegoers. However, the > > true seriousness, cause, and scope of this thing is thusfar a mystery. > > I will say that as we left my apartment to see the movie, two HCSO > units > > responding Code 3 drove right past us (I live just down the street > from > > the mall). It was cool know exactly what was going on, and to stay > away > > from the area. > > > > Dave > > > > David Pinero > > Tampa, Fl. > > http://www.davidpinero.com > > > > QUOTED--->-----Original Message----- > > QUOTED--->From: dirk [mailto:kd9rd@...] > > QUOTED--->Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:12 PM > > QUOTED--->To: david@... > > QUOTED--->Subject: Re: [TampaScanning] Mall Riot!? > > QUOTED---> > > QUOTED---> > > QUOTED--->david > > QUOTED--->interesting, we go there...heard any more? > > QUOTED--->dirk in carrolwood > > QUOTED---> > > QUOTED--->----- Original Message ----- > > QUOTED--->From: "David Pinero" > > QUOTED--->To: > > QUOTED--->Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 8:59 PM > > QUOTED--->Subject: [TampaScanning] Mall Riot!? > > QUOTED---> > > QUOTED---> > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> Sounds like there's a mall riot in progress at the > > QUOTED--->University Square > > QUOTED--->> Mall in North Tampa. Mall security, waiting for > > QUOTED--->HSCO back ups, are > > QUOTED--->> shutting down the food court and clearing the mall > > QUOTED--->as I type. > > QUOTED--->> Interesting. > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> 02-021 > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> Dave > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> David Pinero > > QUOTED--->> Tampa, Fl. > > QUOTED--->> http://www.davidpinero.com > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > QUOTED--->> tampascanning-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > QUOTED--->> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED---> > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > tampascanning-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > tampascanning-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ===== David pinero, Tampa Florida. www.davidpinero.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com 754 From: "David Pinero" Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:39pm Subject: RE: [TampaScanning] Re: Mall Riot!? dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Actually, you're 100% correct in terms of each of us working to tip off media institutions to breaking news. If that isn't a component of guerrilla journalism, in fact, I don't know what is. It is easy for me to forget that nearly every established media organization is begging for your video clips and news tips because securing such exclusive information is good for content, and content is good for profit. This is definetely the positive side of corporate media domination. My comments before were more about the argument that many public safety institutions make when they are confronted with the question of whether or not they will provide open access, so-called accredited media access, or no access to their patrolcasts at all. Many departments consider themselves as reasonable if they opt for the second option, and my point is that they aren't. Taking your very plausible explanation that no one in the local media heard the call over the scanner and therefore did not respond, as an equation, it still means they didn't respond. Thankfully, HCSO has not thrown the digital or digital encryption switch yet so people not necessarily in that elite loop had an opportunity to be aware. *We* are discussing a social event that might otherwise never have officially happened in a fanatically secretive society. It is the very point that limited resources will prevent media institutions with exclusive access to patrolcasts from ever being able to cover everything that reinforces the need for deliberate serendipity of breaking news and events. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com QUOTED--->-----Original Message----- QUOTED--->From: Luis QUOTED--->[mailto:luissantanajr@...] QUOTED--->Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:37 AM QUOTED--->To: TampaScanning@yahoogroups.com QUOTED--->Subject: [TampaScanning] Re: Mall Riot!? QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->In Defense! of the news media. Yes all of the local QUOTED--->news stations QUOTED--->have scanners, but for one reason or another they may QUOTED--->of not been QUOTED--->monitoring. And if they was, maybe for some reason it QUOTED--->did not fit QUOTED--->into the news guidelines for some reason or another. QUOTED--->Bottom line QUOTED--->the "media" is easy to blame, but if they dont know QUOTED--->they cant report QUOTED--->it. I personally call in lots of tips to the QUOTED--->newsrooms. That way i QUOTED--->find out in depth what they are reporting vs. what i QUOTED--->actually heard. QUOTED--->I usually call ch 13, as they are usually the QUOTED--->friendliest and have QUOTED--->shared info with me in the past. The newsroom number QUOTED--->is 813-870-9630 or *13 on a alltell wireless phone. QUOTED--->When calling in a tip try to QUOTED--->have as much information as possible, like location, QUOTED--->agency, how long QUOTED--->has it been going on, yada yada yada. If you dont QUOTED--->give them specific QUOTED--->information how would they expect to believe you or QUOTED--->actually report QUOTED--->the news. I always tell them as much info as possible QUOTED--->and it has QUOTED--->worked good for me. A couple of times they didnt even QUOTED--->know what was QUOTED--->going on until i told them, then they where the only station QUOTED--->reporting it so that is cool that i can help. So QUOTED--->remember if they QUOTED--->dont know they cant report!! QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->--- In TampaScanning@yahoogroups.com, David Pinero QUOTED---> QUOTED--->wrote: QUOTED--->> Indeed, the world may never know. :) QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> Frankly, I see in this demonstration a reminder of QUOTED--->the danger on QUOTED--->reliance QUOTED--->> of the "accredited media" to cover news. All we QUOTED--->know as scannists QUOTED--->(or at QUOTED--->> least all THIS scannist knows) was that at QUOTED--->approximately 8:40 PM QUOTED--->Saturday QUOTED--->> evening all hell broke loose at the University QUOTED--->Square Mall. It had QUOTED--->mall QUOTED--->> security screaming into their microphones about "500 people" QUOTED--->and "needing QUOTED--->> help FAST", and HCSO responding in droves on the QUOTED--->radio to establish QUOTED--->a QUOTED--->> parameter around the mall, and then to evacuate it. QUOTED---> Yes, EVACUATE QUOTED--->it. It QUOTED--->> was so serious that on that night, two weeks before QUOTED--->Christmas, QUOTED--->whatever QUOTED--->> the heck happened, they had to close the mall an hour before QUOTED--->scheduled QUOTED--->> closing. QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> What did we see in the papers about it the next day? Squat. QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> For the very love of God. Forget about the QUOTED--->newsworthiness. What QUOTED--->if it QUOTED--->> had been a terrorist attack unfolding disguised as QUOTED--->a mere melee? I QUOTED--->knew QUOTED--->> what was going on...but none of the dozens and QUOTED--->dozens of people QUOTED--->driving QUOTED--->> past my window in the direction of that mall did. QUOTED--->How did I know? QUOTED--->I knew QUOTED--->> because so far Hillsborough County incidentally has QUOTED--->its police QUOTED--->channels QUOTED--->> open to the public. But how "peasantry" would QUOTED--->anyone feel if they QUOTED--->didn't? QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> What if I or someone I cared about were hurt QUOTED--->because Hillsborough QUOTED--->County QUOTED--->> decided only a few select media organizations QUOTED--->should be able to hear QUOTED--->> what's really going on out there at any given time? QUOTED---> And what if QUOTED--->those QUOTED--->> media organizations took luscious ad dollars from QUOTED--->the mall and QUOTED--->decided, QUOTED--->> out of 'perceputual respect' (ho ho), not to make a QUOTED--->breaking news QUOTED--->issue QUOTED--->> out of it so the mall could be spared a little bad QUOTED--->publicity? QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> That's what those who advocate closed radio QUOTED--->networks are for. And QUOTED--->every QUOTED--->> now and again I am reminded why I am not through QUOTED--->incidents like QUOTED--->this. QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> Yes, something happened at the God Damned QUOTED--->University Square Mall in QUOTED--->Tampa QUOTED--->> Florida at approximately 9:00 PM on the night of QUOTED--->December 14. It QUOTED--->sounded QUOTED--->> like a riot, and it took the full bruntal force of QUOTED--->our local law QUOTED--->> enforcement to respond, evacuate, and contain it. QUOTED--->Was it a big QUOTED--->thing or a QUOTED--->> little thing? Were surrounding residents of the QUOTED--->mall notified as QUOTED--->quickly QUOTED--->> as possible? Were the agitators silently rounded QUOTED--->up anEvergladesff QUOTED--->to the QUOTED--->> everglades never to return? QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> To answer these questions you'll just have to do QUOTED--->what the 200,000 QUOTED--->other QUOTED--->> residents of Tampa are doicricketsn to the night cricketts. QUOTED--->Because Bay QUOTED--->> News 9, WFLA, the Tampa Tribune, and every other QUOTED--->accredited media QUOTED--->outlet, QUOTED--->> ain't gonna tell ya. QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> Embrace the new world. :) QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> Dave QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> PS. That felt pretty good. I miss the ol' QUOTED--->Openness campaign. QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> --- RJ RJ wrote: QUOTED--->> > what did it end up being? QUOTED--->> > Russ Bradenton QUOTED--->> > QUOTED--->> > QUOTED--->> > ----- Original Message ----- QUOTED--->> > From: "David Pinero" QUOTED--->> > To: "'dirk'" QUOTED--->> > Cc: QUOTED--->> > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:06 PM QUOTED--->> > Subject: RE: [TampaScanning] Mall Riot!? QUOTED--->> > QUOTED--->> > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> > > I just got back from a movie and am listening QUOTED--->to the captured QUOTED--->scan QUOTED--->> > audio QUOTED--->> > > now. It sounded pretty serious but there is nothing in QUOTED--->mainstream QUOTED--->> > news QUOTED--->> > > yet. At some point, according to the audio, QUOTED--->they let first- QUOTED--->floor QUOTED--->> > > shoppers back in the mall and ticket holding moviegoers. QUOTED--->However, the QUOTED--->> > > true seriousness, cause, and scope of this QUOTED--->thing is thusfar a QUOTED--->mystery. QUOTED--->> > > I will say that as we left my apartment to see QUOTED--->the movie, two QUOTED--->HCSO QUOTED--->> > units QUOTED--->> > > responding Code 3 drove right past us (I live QUOTED--->just down the QUOTED--->street QUOTED--->> > from QUOTED--->> > > the mall). It was cool know exactly what was QUOTED--->going on, and to QUOTED--->stay QUOTED--->> > away QUOTED--->> > > from the area. QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> > > Dave QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> > > David Pinero QUOTED--->> > > Tampa, Fl. QUOTED--->> > > http://www.davidpinero.com QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->-----Original Message----- QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->From: dirk [mailto:kd9rd@p...] QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:12 PM QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->To: david@d... QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->Subject: Re: [TampaScanning] Mall Riot!? QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED---> QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED---> QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->david QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->interesting, we go there...heard any more? QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->dirk in carrolwood QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED---> QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->----- Original Message ----- QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->From: "David Pinero" QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->To: QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 8:59 PM QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->Subject: [TampaScanning] Mall Riot!? QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED---> QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED---> QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> Sounds like there's a mall riot in QUOTED--->progress at the QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->University Square QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> Mall in North Tampa. Mall QUOTED--->security, waiting for QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->HSCO back ups, are QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->> shutting down the food court and QUOTED--->clearing the mall QUOTED--->> > > QUOTED--->as I type. 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QUOTED--->> www.davidpinero.com QUOTED--->> QUOTED--->> __________________________________________________ QUOTED--->> Do you Yahoo!? QUOTED--->> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. QUOTED--->> http://mailplus.yahoo.com QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: QUOTED--->tampascanning-unsubscribe@egroups.com QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED---> QUOTED--->Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 755 From: public@... Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 6:18am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Manatee County Clerk of Courts :FL :Court :Manatee County :Database :http://www.clerkofcourts.com/ :Excellent and detailed court records available online. Includes scanned PDF versions of most court documents. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 756 From: public@... Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 3:47am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! STORY ON PHILADELPHIA CONVERSION TO DIGITAL: This story published earlier this month by the Philadelphia Inquirer now appears verbatim at the Trunked Radio Information Homepage. It reports how citizens or the media will be unable to intercept public safety transmissions, though it does acknowledge that digital scanners are but months from reality to the general consumer. It is even encouraging that Police Commissioner Charles Brennon stipulates that certain frequencies such as those used by homicide, drug, and anti-terror squads, will be encyrpted and "never intercepted again". Without really saying so, I hope, he's suggesting that the department will only selectively encrypt traffic that needs to be rather than everything. When digital scanners are commonplace, regular patrolcasts will be monitorable to the benefit of community safety and information. Let's hope this is an accurate inference. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.trunkedradio.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=123 Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 757 From: public@... Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 3:57am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! ANOTHER CROOK FELLED BY OPENNESS: Yes it happened again. A citizen with a police scanner directly, yet safely, assisted police in capturing a local criminal. Police Chief Jeff Bock had plenty of positive commentary regarding the public use of police scanners. As in the previous story, the chief credits selective encryption with the ability to keep patrolcasts otherwise open to the public:

"It's all on the public airwaves," he said. "And we find more often that people listening to them can help us. If there's anything that we don't want to put over the airwaves, we'll call by phone or we have the capability in our radio to scramble up so that people can't hear it." Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.thesouthern.com/rednews/2003/01/01/build/local/LOC003.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 758 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 3:29pm Subject: New York Times Article on Diminishing Openness dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here's a New York Times article spotlighting the present White House objective to darken government processes and procedures. Apparently most Americans agree with the trend as there has been little outcry. Or, there has been intimidation at some level against citizens who complain or question. January 3, 2003 Government Openness at Issue as Bush Holds On to Records By ADAM CLYMER WASHINGTON, Jan. 2 — The Bush administration has put a much tighter lid than recent presidents on government proceedings and the public release of information, exhibiting a penchant for secrecy that has been striking to historians, legal experts and lawmakers of both parties. Some of the Bush policies, like closing previously public court proceedings, were prompted by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and are part of the administration's drive for greater domestic security. Others, like Vice President Dick Cheney's battle to keep records of his energy task force secret, reflect an administration that arrived in Washington determined to strengthen the authority of the executive branch, senior administration officials say. Some of the changes have sparked a passionate public debate and excited political controversy. But other measures taken by the Bush administration to enforce greater government secrecy have received relatively little attention, masking the proportions of what dozens of experts described in recent interviews as a sea change in government openness. A telling example came in late 2001 when Attorney General John Ashcroft announced the new policy on the Freedom of Information Act, a move that attracted relatively little public attention. Although the new policy for dealing with the 1966 statute that has opened millions of pages of government records to scholars, reporters and the public was announced after Sept. 11, it had been planned well before the attacks. The Ashcroft directive encouraged federal agencies to reject requests for documents if there was any legal basis to do so, promising that the Justice Department would defend them in court. It was a stark reversal of the policy set eight years earlier, when the Clinton administration told agencies to make records available whenever they could, even if the law provided a reason not to, so long as there was no "foreseeable harm" from the release. Generally speaking, said Alan Brinkley, a Columbia University historian, while secrecy has been increasingly attractive to recent administrations, "this administration has taken it to a new level." Its "instinct is to release nothing," Professor Brinkley said, adding that this was not necessarily because there were particular embarrassing secrets to hide, but "they are just worried about what's in there that they don't know about." The Bush administration contends that it is not trying to make government less open. Ari Fleischer, the president's press secretary, said, "The bottom line remains the president is dedicated to an open government, a responsive government, while he fully exercises the authority of the executive branch." Secrecy is almost impossible to quantify, but there are some revealing measures. In the year that ended on Sept. 30, 2001, most of which came during the Bush presidency, 260,978 documents were classified, up 18 percent from the previous year. And since Sept. 11, three new agencies were given the power to stamp documents as "Secret" — the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Health and Human Services. In Congress, where objections to secrecy usually come from the party opposed to the president, the complaints are bipartisan. Senator Patrick J. Leahy, the Vermont Democrat first elected in 1974, said, "Since I've been here, I have never known an administration that is more difficult to get information from." Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, said things were getting worse, and "it seems like in the last month or two I've been running into more and more stonewalls." Mr. Cheney says the Bush policies have sought to restore the proper powers of the executive branch. Explaining the fight to control the task force records to ABC News last January, he said that over more than three decades: "I have repeatedly seen an erosion of the powers and the ability of the president of the United States to do his job. We saw it in the War Powers Act, we saw it in the Anti-Impoundment Act. We've seen it in cases like this before, where it's demanded that the presidents cough up and compromise on important principles. One of the things that I feel an obligation on, and I know the president does, too, because we talked about it, is to pass on our offices in better shape than we found them to our successors." Mr. Bush has made similar comments. But the more relevant history may have been in Texas, where Mr. Bush, as governor, was also reluctant to make government records public. Confronted with a deadline to curb air pollution, he convened a private task force to propose solutions and resisted efforts to make its deliberations public. When he left office, he sent his papers not to the Texas State Library in Austin, but to his father's presidential library at College Station. That library was unable to cope with demands for access, and the papers have since been sent to the state library. Framing an Argument One argument underlies many of the administration's steps: that presidents need confidential and frank advice and that they cannot get it if the advice becomes public, cited by Mr. Cheney in reference to the task force and by Alberto R. Gonzales, the White House counsel, in explaining the administration's decision to delay the release of President Ronald Reagan's papers. Mr. Gonzales said "the pursuit of history" should not "deprive a president of candid advice while making crucial decisions." Some administration arguments are more closely focused on security. Mr. Ashcroft has said that releasing the names of people held for immigration offenses could give Al Qaeda "a road map" showing which agents had been arrested. Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, who has threatened action against Pentagon officials who discuss military operations with reporters, said before troops at the Army's Special Operation Command on Nov. 21, 2001, "I don't think the American people do want to know anything that's going to cause the death of any one of these enormously talented and dedicated and courageous people that are here today." The critics argue more generally. Former Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Democrat of New York, argues that secrecy does more harm than good. The Central Intelligence Agency's exaggerated estimates of Soviet economic strength, for example, would have stopped influencing United States policy, Mr. Moynihan said, if they had been published and any correspondent in Moscow could have laughed at them. "Secrecy is a formula for inefficient decision-making," Mr. Moynihan said, and plays to the instincts of self-importance of the bureaucracy. Mary Graham, a scholar at the Brookings Institution and the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, saw two major risks in this administration's level of secrecy. "What are often being couched as temporary emergency orders are in fact what we are going to live with for 20 years, just as we lived with the cold war restrictions for years after it was over," Ms. Graham said. "We make policy by crisis, and we particularly make secrecy policy by crisis." Moreover, she said, it ignores the value of openness, which "creates public pressure for improvement." When risk analyses of chemical plants were available on the Internet, she said, people could pressure companies to do better, or move away. Mr. Fleischer contends that there is no secrecy problem. "I make the case that we are more accessible and open than many previous administrations — given how many times [Secretary of State Colin L.] Powell, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft have briefed," he said. Asked if there was anyone in the administration who was a consistent advocate of openness, who argued that secrecy hurt as well as helped, Mr. Fleischer said President Bush was that person. He said that was exemplified by the fact that while "the president reserved the authority to try people under military tribunals, nobody has been tried under military tribunals." In the cases of Zacarias Moussaoui and John Walker Lindh, he said, Mr. Bush has opted for the more open and traditional route of the criminal justice system. Shielding Presidents The Bush administration's first major policy move to enforce greater secrecy could affect how its own history is written. On March 23, 2001, Mr. Gonzales, the White House counsel, ordered the National Archives not to release to the public 68,000 pages of records from Ronald Reagan's presidency that scholars had requested and archivists had determined posed no threat to national security or personal privacy. Under the Presidential Records Act of 1978, the documents were to become available after Jan. 20, 2001, twelve years after Mr. Reagan left office. Mr. Reagan's administration was the first covered by the 1978 law. The directive, which also covered the papers of Mr. Reagan's vice president and the president's father, George Bush, was to last 90 days. When Mr. Gonzales extended the sealing period for an additional 90 days, historians like Hugh Davis Graham of Vanderbilt University attacked the delays, saying they were designed to prevent embarrassment and would nullify the records law's presumption of public access to those documents. On Nov. 1, 2001, President Bush issued an even more sweeping order under which former presidents and vice presidents like his father, or representatives designated by them or by their surviving families, could bar release of documents by claiming one of a variety of privileges: "military, diplomatic, or national security secrets, presidential communications, legal advice, legal work or the deliberative processes of the president and the president's advisers," according to the order. Before the order, the Archivist of the United States could reject a former president's claim of privilege. Now he cannot. The order was promptly attacked in court and on Capitol Hill. Scott L. Nelson of the Public Citizen Litigation Group sued on behalf of historians and reporters, maintaining that the new order allowed unlimited delays in releasing documents and created new privileges to bar release. House Republicans were among the order's sharpest critics. Representative Steve Horn of California called a hearing within a few days, and Representative Doug Ose, another Californian, said the order "undercuts the public's right to be fully informed about how its government operated in the past." The order, Mr. Horn said, improperly "gives the former and incumbent presidents veto power over the release of the records." On Dec. 20, the White House sought to silence the complaints by announcing that nearly all the 68,000 pages of the Reagan records were being released. Legislation introduced to undo the order never made it to the House floor, where leaders had no interest in embarrassing the president. And a lawsuit challenging the order languishes in Federal District Court before Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly. Historians remain angry. Robert Dallek, a biographer of Lyndon B. Johnson and John F. Kennedy, said, "This order of Bush, we feel it's a disgrace — what it means is if this policy applies, they can hold presidential documents close to the vest in perpetuity, the way Lincoln's papers were held by the family until 1947." Battling the Congress The administration's most publicized fight over secrecy, and its biggest victory to date, has come over its efforts to keep the investigative arm of Congress from gaining access to records of the energy task force led by Vice President Cheney. This fight is only the showiest of many battles between the Bush administration and members of Congress over information. Such skirmishes happen in every administration. But not only are they especially frequent now, but also many of the loudest Congressional complaints come from the president's own party, from Republicans like Senator Grassley and Representative Dan Burton of Indiana. The vice president framed the fight as being less about what the papers sought by the General Accounting Office might show than over power — what Congress could demand and how it could get it or what essential prerogatives the executive branch could maintain, especially its ability to get confidential advice. And he welcomed the battle. In an interview the day before the suit was filed, he said. "It ought to be resolved in a court, unless you're willing to compromise on a basic fundamental principle, which we're not." And on Dec. 9, Judge John D. Bates of Federal District Court ruled for the vice president. Judge Bates ruled that David M. Walker, who as comptroller general heads the General Accounting Office, had not suffered any personal injury, nor had he been injured as an agent of Congress, and therefore the suit could not be considered. An appeal is all but certain to be filed, but for the time being, the administration clearly has a victory. "Vice President Cheney's cover-up will apparently continue for the foreseeable future," said Representative John D. Dingell, the Michigan Democrat who pressed Mr. Walker to act, hoping to find evidence of special interest favoritism for Republican donors in the Cheney documents. There have been other bitter fights over disclosure between the White House and the Congress. While the Democrats controlled the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, the chairman, James M. Jeffords, independent of Vermont, repeatedly threatened last year to subpoena the Environmental Protection Agency for documents explaining the scientific basis and potential impact of its proposed air pollution rule changes requiring aging power plants to install new pollution controls when their facilities are modernized. Mr. Jeffords, who never got around to issuing the subpoena, argued that the administration had broken its promises of cooperation. Representative F. James Sensenbrenner, the Wisconsin Republican who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, was infuriated last August when the Justice Department said it would send answers to some of his questions about how it was using the USA Patriot Act to the more pliant Intelligence Committee, which was not interested. Mr. Sensenbrenner threatened to issue a subpoena or "blow a fuse." Mr. Grassley, the incoming chairman of the Finance Committee, said administration obstruction required him to go and personally question government officials working on Medicare fraud cases, instead of sending his staff. But his new chairmanship and the Treasury confirmations before it may give him a lever. He said he told a White House aide of his problems and asked, "How can I get a presidential nominee through if I have to be spending my time doing things my investigators could be doing?" Closing the Courtroom Legal policy is where the administration's desire to maintain secrecy has excited the most controversy. Since the first few days after the Sept. 11 attacks, the federal government has insisted on a rare degree of secrecy about the individuals it has arrested and detained. The immigration hearings held for hundreds of people caught in sweeps after the bombings have been closed to relatives, the news media and the public. The names of those detained by the Immigration and Naturalization Service have been kept secret, along with details of their arrests, although on Dec. 12 the Justice Department told The Associated Press there had been 765 of them, of whom only 6 were still in custody. A few dozen individuals have been held as material witnesses, after the Justice Department persuaded federal judges that they had information about terrorism and might flee if released. Neither their names nor the total number of them have been made public. The administration has also kept a tight lid on the identities of the military detainees being held at Guantánamo, Cuba. But in considering how to deal with them, in military tribunals, the government has moved away from secrecy. When Mr. Bush directed the Defense Department in November 2001 to set up military tribunals to try noncitizens suspected of terrorism, one reason cited was the ability to hold those proceedings in secret, to protect intelligence and to reduce risks to judges and jurors. But when the rules were announced in March, they said "the accused shall be afforded a trial open to the public (except proceedings closed by the presiding officer)." While the government's policy in the immigration cases has suffered some judicial setbacks, appeals and stays have allowed it to remain in effect. Fundamentally, the government has argued against opening hearings by contending that they would make available to terrorists a mosaic of facts that a sophisticated enemy could use to build a road map of the investigation, to know what the government knew or did not know, and thus to escape or execute new attacks. That argument was also made in the main case involving releasing the names of those detained, where the government also maintains that the Freedom of Information Act's right to privacy would be violated by a release of the names. Legal scholars have objected particularly to the decision to close all the immigration hearings, rather than parts of them. Stephen A. Schulhofer, a professor at New York University Law School, said there was already a legal provision for closing a hearing when a judge was shown the necessity. The "road map" explanation seemed implausible, Mr. Schulhofer said, because the detainees had a right to make phone calls, in which "a real terrorist could alert cohorts who would not have known he was detained." At a recent seminar at Georgetown University Law School, Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff said protecting privacy was the main reason for suppressing the names. Representative Barney Frank, Democrat of Massachusetts, dismissed that rationale, asking Mr. Chertoff, "How can you even say that with a straight face?" So far, the government has won challenges to the detention of material witnesses. On releasing the names, it lost in a Federal District Court here, but appeared to have impressed two of the three appeals court judges who heard the case in November. On the question of a blanket closing of "special interest" immigration hearings, an appeals court in Cincinnati ruled against the government in August and one in Philadelphia ruled in its favor in October. The Supreme Court is likely to be faced with choosing between them. Putting Sand in the Gears Immediately after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, governments at all levels feared that information they made publicly available could be useful to terrorists, and began moves to curtail access, a trend the Bush administration encouraged. The first of the strictures on information resulting from Sept. 11 were described by Ms. Graham, the Brookings and Kennedy School scholar, in her book, "Democracy by Disclosure" (Brookings Institution Press, 2002). "Officials quickly dismantled user-friendly disclosure systems on government Web sites," she wrote. "They censored information designed to tell community residents about risks from nearby chemical factories; maps that identified the location of pipelines carrying oil, gas and hazardous substances; and reports about risks associated with nuclear power plants." Many of those withdrawals mirrored efforts industry had been making for quite a few years, arguing that the public did not really need the information. Some information has been removed from public gaze entirely. James Neal, the Columbia University librarian, said that officials of libraries like his around the country that serve as depositories for federal information "have some concern about the requests to withdraw materials from those collections." Perhaps even more important, Mr. Neal said, was that "we also do not know what materials are not getting distributed." Some material that has been removed from Web sites is still available, though obviously to fewer people, in government reading rooms. The chemical factory risk management plans cited by Ms. Graham are no longer available through the Internet, said Stephanie Bell, a spokeswoman for the Environmental Protection Agency. But individuals can look at up to 10 of them and take notes (but not photocopies) in 55 government reading rooms around the country, Ms. Bell said. There is at least one reading room in every state except Maine, Nebraska, North Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming. Last March the Defense Department issued a draft regulation concerning possible limits on publication of unclassified research it finances and sharp restrictions on access by foreign citizens to such data and research facilities. This prompted some concerted resistance from scientists. Bruce Alberts, a biochemist who heads the National Research Council and the National Academy of Sciences, told the academy's annual meeting on April 29: "I am worried about a movement to restrict publication that has been proceeding quietly but quickly in Washington. Some of the plans being proposed could severely hamper the U.S. research enterprise and decrease national security. It is being suggested that every manuscript resulting from work supported by federal funds be cleared by a federal project officer before being published, with serious penalties for violations. Another rule could prevent any foreign national from working on a broad range of projects." Even though the department withdrew its proposal and officials say there has been no decision on whether to try again, the scientists say they are still worried. The new Ashcroft directive on Freedom of Information requests has also begun to be felt. A veteran Justice Department official said he believed that fewer discretionary disclosures were being made throughout the government because "as a matter of policy, we are not advocating the making of discretionary disclosures." Delays are one clear reality. The General Accounting Office reported last fall that "while the number of requests received appears to be leveling off, backlogs of pending requests governmentwide are growing, indicating that agencies are falling behind in processing requests." To Thomas Blanton, who helps run the National Security Archive, which collects and posts documents gained through Freedom of Information Act, that is a clear effect of the Ashcroft order. "What these signals from on high do in a bureaucracy, they don't really change the standards," Mr. Blanton said, "but they put molasses or sand in the gears." David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com 759 From: "David Pinero " Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 10:03pm Subject: Website Down dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Due to changes in how my various web sites are hosted, Openness.org will be completely or partially unavailable for the next several days. I will let you know when the site is active again. Dave 760 From: public@... Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:39am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! TEST: This is a test to determine whether or not the headline update system has been successfully ported to the new hosting site. Please disregard. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.test.com Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 761 From: public@... Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:44am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! ONE MORE TEST: What can I tell ya, the first was not quite that successful. However, you might get two of these. 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Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:50am Subject: National Index Updated dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was entered into the Openness.org National Index of Open Examples: :Caleeko II :DE :Other :My Apartment :Teletype :http://www.test.com :Final test on this. When new information is entered into the Openness.Org National Index of Open Examples database, that information is transmitted across this list for your convenience. Influence development of open access policies in your community by exemplifying openness everywhere. Your Friendly Openness Secretary 764 From: public@... Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 7:24pm Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! INFORMATION SHOULD BE RESTRICTED TO AS FEW AS POSSIBLE: It was bound to happen. Arguments against making public information available to everyone are beginning to develop as more and more government entitities seek to make public information easily referencable. One activist is even making exclusive access rather than open access sound somehow more democratic than the other way around - not a bad feat! Still, there are good questions and issues to consider and Openness.org never believes intellectual challenges are bad. Hey, if I don't embody 'intellectual challenge', I don't know who does. Click the link below to read my best rebuttal before a cup of coffee to the major concerns those seeking to take information offline have. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.davidpinero.com/articles/opencourtsystem.htm Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 765 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Feb 8, 2003 5:48pm Subject: 8 out of 10 on the attack scale.... dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The night before last I'm clacking away at the PC subliminally listening to the police scanner at the same time. At one point a deputy tells another that his drug operation is going to be hampered because "they called in all the dogs" for the "other" need or operation. He later referenced them as bomb sniffers. I knew they were probably talking about something terrorist related, took caution, and then moved on. Yesterday they raised the security level from yellow to orange, and today Tom Ridge pointed out that the threat was like 8 on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of likelihood or credibility of militant attack. Then I thought back to the scanner chatter and it occurred to me how lucky I was to be living in an open broadcasting area. Part of Homeland Security's point in making the color coding thing relevant is to enable citizens to adhere to greater diligence and due cause procedures. Thinking about it, among those who can, that includes keeping the scanner on! If there's an attack at that mall up the street from me, for example, there's a much greater chance of me being made aware of it than others might be in many other places. When the street officer knows of impending trouble, I have the opportunity to know at the same time and maximize my personal level of appropriate response. I hope that each of us who still lives in an open broadcast area will include regular passive monitoring of their local public safety channels as part of their high alert protocol. That extra few minutes which sometimes amounts to a half hour or more before anything hits the media, can be just the information you need to lock your front doors, arm yourselves (you pro gunners), or evacuate, warn other neighbors, or collect your immediate family for whatever contingency you keep at bay. In Tampa and Hillsborough Count we can do this and we're much more likely to survive some terrible calamity than not as a result. For those of you living in closed broadcast areas, areas where concern for the local tow truck driver chasing police calls somehow outweighed the concern for your family being killed in a recin attack, you'll just have to rely on authorities notifying local media, and local media in turn deciding to select the issue as worthy of broadcast. Hopefully it won't be something terrible going down at the premise of someone who advertises with the TV station since the decision to pass on bad news will be harder to make. In all, the soonest you'll know is 30 to 50 minutes at best. No matter how you're notified, nothing will be faster than the potential for you to know something when the dispatcher notifies the road deputy. I'm being dramatic, but hopefully exemplifying. Open systems save lives! Narrow communication channels waste lives. And now more than ever every public safety facility in this country needs to be mandated to keep a portion of their radio communication in the clear and easily absorbable by the public. Public safety is not public safety business, it's PUBLIC business. And that means plenty now. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. http://www.davidpinero.com 766 From: public@... Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:25am Subject: New Openness Headline Posted dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a new headline issue posted at www.openness.org. For maximum convenience this headline entry is being sent to listserv subscribers like you for immediate consideration. Openness.org encourages the forwarding of these postings to parties intimate to the recipient. Openness.org thanks you for your support, your interest, or both! 'MUM' MAY BE THE WORD IF LEWES WORKERS GET RADIO: The really great observation in this story is when someone openly wonders why anyone should be fired for discussing information overheard on a common police scanner. Police scanners are common appliances sold in many electronic stores and the mere acquisition of one in the course of one's job should not seal individuals as though there status as "common" somehow changes. Please visit the following URL link for more information on this matter: http://www.delmarvanow.com/deweybeach/stories/20030226/1064760.html Sincerely, Your Friendly OpeNNess.org Secretary 767 From: "David Pinero " Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 3:46am Subject: Anti-American Sentiments dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Please assist in programs sentimental to those involving Homeland Security. If you know of a writer or other individual expressing Anti-American sentiments, please enter that individual into the database at: http://www.davidpinero.com/intothtedatabase Thank you. ;) 768 From: public@... Date: Mon Mar 3, 2003 5:09am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: It's the story also currently posted at the Strong Signals website FYI. By the way, as you can see, I have a new format for sending these notices out. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 769 From: public@... Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 3:46pm Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: The link is about how one man beat Philadelphia's digital radio system, and saved a life almost immediately! Thanks to John Glass for the tip! Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 770 From: public@... Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 4:38am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 771 From: public@... Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:10am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 772 From: public@... Date: Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:14am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 773 From: public@... Date: Wed Apr 30, 2003 3:14am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/ openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e- mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 774 From: public@... Date: Fri May 16, 2003 1:42am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/ openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e- mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 775 From: public@... Date: Fri May 23, 2003 3:27am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/ openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: TOW TRUCK DRIVER CATCHES SEXUAL PREDATOR THANKS TO SCANNER JOTTING HABITS. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 776 From: public@... Date: Fri May 23, 2003 3:44am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: CARNEGIE POLICE PUT DAILY POLICE ACTIVITY REPORTS ONLINE. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 777 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat May 24, 2003 10:39pm Subject: Openness Website Redesigned dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dear Openness Advocates, I finally succumbed to the temptation to professionalize and mature the openness.org website. I am not a professional web designer so to do so I had to rely on the second best thing: a professional template system. Please visit the redesigned openness.org website and feel free to comment through the contact link. The cause still has a heartbeat, as well as plenty of heart! ;) http://www.openness.org Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Pinero www.davidpinero.com david@... Tampa, Fl. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 778 From: public@... Date: Tue May 27, 2003 4:02pm Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: MAN SAYS DISTRIBUTED NOTIFICATION CAN SHORE UP HOMELAND SECURITY Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 779 From: public@... Date: Sat May 31, 2003 0:40am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: AP STORY ON FLORIDA HIGH SPEED RAIL Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 780 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat May 31, 2003 0:47am Subject: FW: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Sorry Openness group - the following was sent to this list in error. I have way too many lists! LOL Dave -----Original Message----- From: public@... [mailto:public@...] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:41 PM To: openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Openness] New Openness.org Blog Entry ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/xYTolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: AP STORY ON FLORIDA HIGH SPEED RAIL Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com To send important news, articles, or other information for publishing consideration across this list, please e-mail it to public@.... To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 781 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Jun 7, 2003 11:11pm Subject: Take over "Digitascanning" Yahoogroup dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi, please circulate this message among the scanning related listgroups. I currently own the Yahoo Group "DigitalScanners". The group exists as a listserv relevant to the development of digital radio (police) scanners. Unfortunately I cannot possibly keep up on the technology associated with the development of these scanners to maintain myself as a responsible and useful moderator for such an important group name. Recently, Yahoo Groups informed me that I have to develop the group or get off the can. In light of the above I intend to relinquish the group but seek to do so in a controlled fashion that allows for another strong internet personality in the area of radio scanning to take it over. If you are interested in assuming control of and development of this group, please contact me ASAP. I will only consider those entities who: * Have a strong existing non-profit presentation on the web relating to police scanners and contemporary issues in public safety monitoring (I can overlook sites which sustain themselves through reasonable use of ad banners) * Have a fairly searchable history online in this area (e.g. usenet, message boards) of being an independent and enthusiastic commentator in the area of radio scanning * Have at least the minor technical skills required to assist in engaging the transfer, and maintaining it * Can demonstrate the ability to promote and develop the list in the immediate future * Who, with all other factors being equal, coordinate with me first If this is you, please use my contact page to e-mail ASAP: http://www.davidpinero.com/contact We will coordinate to transfer the group via e-mail. If no one is interested I will simply delete the group. I have no real issue with doing so but it is very likely that it will be taken by enthusiasts in other areas (e.g. people who work with digital scanning equipment in photography). That's obviously not so horrible itself, but it would be nice if radio scannists kept the group in the family at such an important time in the evolution of public safety monitoring. Thanks all! Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Pinero www.davidpinero.com david@... Tampa, Fl. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 782 From: public@... Date: Tue Aug 12, 2003 2:48am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: WEBCAMS IN THE CLASSROOM Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 783 From: public@... Date: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:22am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: Announcing a Battle Blog topic area devoted to Openness.org. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 784 From: public@... Date: Mon Aug 25, 2003 3:13am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: TWO NEW ARTICLES WITH MY COMMENTARY Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 785 From: public@... Date: Sat Oct 11, 2003 9:34pm Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 786 From: public@... Date: Sat Oct 25, 2003 6:26am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: SCANNIST SPOTS ARMED ROBBERS Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 787 From: public@... Date: Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:17am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm. As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: SCANNIST HEARS ABOUT HIS OWN CAR BEING USED IN POLICE CHASE. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 788 From: thedave@... Date: Wed Mar 3, 2004 11:16pm Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: SAN ANTONIO SHOWDOWN Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 789 From: thedave@... Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 2:20am Subject: New Openness.org Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been new information posted at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm As part of your subscription to the Openness.org listserv, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. Please click to visit the blog output in order to review the latest entry. Additional comment to listserv subscribers: Radio-Television News Directors Association statement posted at website. Sincerely, David Pinero, Moderator http://www.davidpinero.com 790 From: thedave@... Date: Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:11pm Subject: New Openness Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email TIA DIRECTOR ENDORSES LIGHT RAIL CONNECTION If light rail ever gets off the ground in Hillsborough County or Tampa, it's good to know that Tampa International Airport Director Louis Miller is on board! He's massaging the idea of a terminal at the airport to save money on the groundwork necessary to accomodate expansion. His words are wise. The initial Hartrail schema does not include a connection directly to the airport. TIA has to undergo its own impact studies, etc., which makes it a "separate" project of sorts. The endorsement by the director means that perhaps while the first leg of Hartrail is being built, it won't be too long before it connects up with a TIA extension. And that, obviously, would be great for the entire system which needs hardcore linkage. He's even advocating a transportation network to and from TIA and Pinellas County. It's been awhile since Hartrail has gotten a fresh shot in the arm in the form of an endorsement by someone so important. Something must finally be cooking on the light rail discussion in Hillsborough folks! ;) David Pinero http://www.davidpinero.com Please note the associated link with this message: http://www.tampatrib.com/MGBIKDYMVVD.html These comments have also been blogged at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm As part of your subscription to the Openness mailing list, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. 791 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:12pm Subject: FW: New Openness Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email My apologies folks, the previous transmission was meant for another one of my other blogs, not the Openness one. Dave _____ From: thedave@... [mailto:thedave@...] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:12 AM To: openness@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Openness] New Openness Blog Entry To send important news, articles, or other information for publishing consideration across this list, please e-mail it to public@.... ADVERTISEMENT click here Yahoo! Groups My Groups | Openness Main Page TIA DIRECTOR ENDORSES LIGHT RAIL CONNECTION If light rail ever gets off the ground in Hillsborough County or Tampa, it's good to know that Tampa International Airport Director Louis Miller is on board! He's massaging the idea of a terminal at the airport to save money on the groundwork necessary to accomodate expansion. His words are wise. The initial Hartrail schema does not include a connection directly to the airport. TIA has to undergo its own impact studies, etc., which makes it a "separate" project of sorts. The endorsement by the director means that perhaps while the first leg of Hartrail is being built, it won't be too long before it connects up with a TIA extension. And that, obviously, would be great for the entire system which needs hardcore linkage. He's even advocating a transportation network to and from TIA and Pinellas County. It's been awhile since Hartrail has gotten a fresh shot in the arm in the form of an endorsement by someone so important. Something must finally be cooking on the light rail discussion in Hillsborough folks! ;) David Pinero http://www.davidpinero.com Please note the associated link with this message: http://www.tampatrib.com/MGBIKDYMVVD.html These comments have also been blogged at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm As part of your subscription to the Openness mailing list, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Openness/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Openness-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 792 From: thedave@... Date: Fri Aug 6, 2004 9:46pm Subject: New Openness Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email SUSPICIONS OF CLOSING US SOCIETY RISE; OPENNESS TESTED Publishers of the Constra Nostra Times, like many of us, had the inkling suspicion that although laws guaranteeing access to such things as police blotters were commonplace, that in practice, such access was actually being routinely blocked. This charge is a major premise of Openness.org, so I was excited to read about the newspaper's project that ultimately put the notion of public access to the test. Remember, *any* public access law that exists does not distinguish between *reporters* for corporate media and *you*. In fact, more and more these days, that fine line is disappearing anyway. Still, the people who acted as average Joes seeking public access as part of this experiment were nonetheless stonewalled and in some cases, treated with suspicion and questioned. Some were evidently asked if they were reporters. A link to the actual newspaper report appears in this otherwise user friendly article I'm linking you to. Please note the associated link with this message: http://www.poynter.org/content/content_view.asp?id=69593 These comments have also been blogged at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm As part of your subscription to the Openness mailing list, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. David Pinero http://www.davidpinero.com 793 From: thedave@... Date: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:03am Subject: New Openness Blog Entry dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ARIZONA POLICE DEPARTMENT: OPEN BROADCASTING IS FOR US! In a breakthrough development for open public safety communications, Dispatch Monthly is reporting one of the most pointed scanner-friendly addressments ever demonstrated by a police department ever. The Phoenix Police Department have decided to keep their primary diapatch channels unencrypted and open to the media and public. It's rare that a metropoliton law enforcement agency cites literal openness as the reason for not encrypting. The department is opting for *selective* encryption which is the concept of keeping most patrolcasts open while only taking broadcasts that need to be hush-hush to encrypted channels. It's utilizing the potential of digital radio to *enhance* open broadcasting, not eliminate it. Digital radio technology should make it possible to free communication by virtue of the more in-depth control that digital protocols allow for. The report mentions that along with whereever this announcement was made, kind suggestions to owners of police scanners were provided which further serves to underscore their committment.

Has Open Broadcasting Finally Arrived!?

The report does not provide a citation that I can find but I'll post a link to one as soon as I can. These comments have also been blogged at: http://www.davidpinero.com/openness/openhout.cfm As part of your subscription to the Openness mailing list, you are notified via e-mails like this whenever there has been a significant update. Such updates may reference the posting of a news headline, important link, or other critical announcement. David Pinero http://www.davidpinero.com 794 From: "David Pinero" Date: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:00am Subject: FW: News Hound - September 15, 2004 dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Mentioned at the Openness Blog a few minutes ago: -----Original Message----- From: DISPATCH Monthly News Hound [mailto:editor@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:39 PM To: customer@... Subject: News Hound - September 15, 2004 DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound ------------------------------------ -- Police Decide to Stay Unencrypted - Ariz. ------------------------ The Phoenix (Ariz.) police department has made their decision: they will leave their main dispatch channels unencrypted, pleasing local scannerists and media. In a message from Sgt. Randy Force of the Media Relations Detail, he said the decision reflects, "Chief Harris' comittment to maintaining our open relationship with local media outlets." He said that if the department has incidents that require complete confidentiality, office will simply switch to an encrypted channel on their 800 MHz trunked radio system. His message even politely included scanner recommendations for those who want to monitor the department's radio system. 795 From: David Pinero Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 4:43pm Subject: Police Call Author Calls it Quits dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi all, here is a story posted last month at Wired. Remember Police Call? Anyone who has scanned to any serious degree knows it as America's Bible of police and related frequencies, often sold to customers with their first scanner. Well, it appears the author and project master of that book is retiring. The article is a fascinating read and cites how modern radio technology (and the Internet) are affecting what appears to many to be an eclipsing hobby. Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69133,00.html 02:00 AM Oct. 11, 2005 PT It was the best day amid the worst years of Gene Hughes' life. He was 13 years old and seeking escape from the loneliness of a Los Angeles foster home by playing with an AM radio his uncle had mailed him. Tuning around the dial, he picked up something different from the dance hall music and campy radio dramas that normally spilled from the tinny speaker -- something unexpectedly genuine. "I suddenly heard strange voices, women broadcasting addresses and numeric codes," he recalls. He quickly figured out that he'd somehow tuned into Los Angeles Police Department dispatchers crisply directing the city's black-and-white police cars to real robberies, domestic disturbances and traffic accidents throughout the City of Angels. That was 1940, nearly a half-century before shows like Cops would turn live police action into mass entertainment. And what might have sounded to someone else's ears like unwanted interference from a city transmitter, was to Hughes the pulsing music of an invisible world. He bought a map and started marking out the police calls with a pencil. As he moved into adulthood, his interest only increased, and he invested in specialized radio receivers. "If they had the word, I guess you'd have called me a nerd," says Hughes. But that nerdiness paid off. In 1964, in a bet with his wife, Hughes took all the information he'd accumulated -- call signs, frequencies and codes for police, fire, paramedics and other agencies -- and rolled it up into a 16-page manual titled Police Call. It was the start of something big. Under Hughes' direction, Police Call would eventually expand into nine regional volumes covering the entire continental United States, with a peak circulation of a half-million copies. Updated annually, it would sell countless thousands of radio scanners and play a crucial role in incubating and growing the hobby of radio monitoring, which traces a line from the cop watchers of the 1970s to the railfans of the '90s and the NASCAR dads of today. Along the way, Police Call would help spawn local and national clubs and organizations, spark brushfire controversies over information disclosure, and turn Gene Hughes -- a pen name -- into a household word among scanner buffs and anyone who spent too much time at Radio Shack when they were kids. Last month, Hughes, now 77, announced he was closing down Police Call after 41 years. Radio heads call it the end of an era. "He's a giant in the hobby," says Peter Laws, 42-year-old scanning buff and founder of a popular e-mail list dedicated to monitoring. "I'm not saying there would have been no hobby without him, but the hobby would have been very different without him." It began with a bit of marital banter. Confronted with Hughes' compulsion to gather and organize information on Los Angeles' radio spectrum, his wife, Mitzi, pointed out the obvious. "She said, 'You're doing the stupidest thing in the world,'" recalls Hughes. "I said, 'I bet people would pay for this.'" That first edition of Police Call sold 800 copies through a Southern California radio shop. Mitzi did the cover art -- a sketch of a police car and a fire truck with lightning bolts radiating from their antennas. "I never imagined there would be a second copy," says Hughes. But there was a second edition, then a third and a fourth. The book continued as a Southern California phenomenon for the better part of a decade. Then, in 1973, Hughes teamed up with a computer jockey named George Switlyk who knew how to crunch the opaque FCC frequency databases into meaningful data, and the pair began banging out nine national editions covering nearly the entire country. Their timing was impeccable: Three years later, the first programmable scanners hit the consumer market, and cracked it wide open. Before then, the most flexible monitoring equipment differed little in operation from a transistor radio -- if you wanted to listen to the sheriff's department, you'd manually set the dial to the department's dispatch frequency, and rest it there. Alternatively, you could use a scanning receiver capable of cycling through different channels, but you needed separate, pre-cut crystals attuned to each frequency. While crude by today's standards, the first programmable scanner, sold by a now-defunct company called Tennelec, was a breakthrough: It could be programmed on the fly to monitor up to eight different channels, rapidly cycling through them, stopping wherever it picked up a transmission, then moving on again. No crystals required. It was Headline News where only CBS had been; RSS instead of HTTP. Here, a cop runs the license plate of a suspicious car; there, a paramedic radios the emergency room that they're rolling into with an accident victim; a moment later a fire dispatcher summons two more engines to a downtown blaze. Back to the cop and the driver has a warrant and someone's going to jail. The scanner was a hit at the 1976 Winter Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago. But it was clear that people were going to need information to go with the new gadget: a TV Guide, of sorts, for reality media. A buyer for the Fort Worth, Texas-based electronics chain Radio Shack figured it out quick, and hunted down Hughes on the show's floor. "Are you still printing that book of frequencies?" Leon Lutz asked in a Texas drawl. Hughes said he was. "Well, I guess I gotta buy some," Lutz said. Radio Shack had 2,000 stores in shopping centers and strip malls around the country, and the company was going into monitoring in a big way -- it would soon have its own line of programmable scanners. The company's first purchase order for Police Call was for 65,000 books, says Hughes, more than seven times his previous print run. "I remember opening that envelope and, wow, the excitement lifted me off the floor." Hughes and Switlyk would sell the books through Radio Shack for years to come. "The scanners helped sell the book and the book helped sell the scanners," says Paul Opitz, former product development director for Radio Shack. "Drop either one out of the equation and the numbers go down significantly. It was a very nice symbiotic relationship." But law enforcement agencies weren't used to the public listening in, and Police Call courted controversy from the beginning. "There were a lot of police that did not want their frequencies known," says Hughes. "I'd tell them they could go down to the FCC and see them." Hughes voluntarily omitted some frequencies that he thought particularly sensitive, like FBI and Secret Service channels, but he says he never cut a frequency under external pressure. Crooks, of course, were delighted with scanners, and with Police Call. "People sent me several clippings where the police broke up burglary rings, and right there in the picture you could see my book sitting on the table," Hughes says with a chuckle. Several states passed laws against driving with a scanner -- statutes that remain on the books today, but are rarely enforced. But the typical scanner owner isn't a criminal. And if the very term police scanner summons an acrid flavor of dangerous isolation -- the whiff of neighborhood busybodies, cop wannabes and weird shut-ins -- the reality is broader: sports fans, airplane buffs and off-duty emergency workers have all found scanners useful. When, 15 years ago, Hughes hinted he might stop publishing railroad frequencies, he was deluged with mail from railway aficionados -- a reader base he didn't even know he had. Today, scanners are must-have items for many NASCAR fans. "Being able to listen to the dialogue between the pit crew and the driver really adds a lot to the race," says Opitz, who's now a product manager at scanner giant Uniden and uses a scanner in his weekend sport of tornado chasing. With each edition, Police Call had more information to track (recent editions have included CD-ROMs). Advancing technology allowed electromagnetic spectrum to be handled in thinner slices, which meant more channels to go around. At the same time, radio systems became more complicated over the years, forcing costly upgrade cycles on listeners. Cities began adopting systems that used "trunking," a computer-controlled technique for making efficient use of frequencies, which rendered old scanners obsolete. Digital radio required even newer, fancier electronics to intercept. The encrypted transmissions now being used in some areas make monitoring arguably impossible, and, for the first time, definitely illegal. "It's switching over so fast," says Hughes. "If you look at the major cities, they've almost all switched to trunked, and they're switching to digital every day…. Orange County is not only digital, it's encrypted, which of course by law you can't listen to." That, says Hughes, is why the 2005 edition of Police Call will be the last: Scanning is a waning pastime; people are put off by the growing complexity and cost. The internet has also been bad for the hobby, the way it's bad for all hobbies, Hughes says -- because it's an attractive diversion. (Still a technophile, Hughes has been on the net since before the web). But he admits that he really lost his love of the home business when Switlyk, his friend and business partner since the 1970s, died in 2000 of heart failure. "Broke my heart," he says. "We had a partnership that kept going for over 20 years." Hughes and Mitzi celebrated their 50th anniversary last year. Hughes says he has no plans to pass Police Call on to someone else -- his children and grandchildren don't want it -- nor will he offer to sell the Police Call title to Radio Shack, which has announced no plans for a replacement book. Indeed, the web is a trove of resources for scanner buffs, from frequency lists to streaming audio feeds of radio traffic, making printed frequency books less important than they once were. Scanning buff Laws admits he hasn't bought Police Call since 2000. But Radio Shack says it's sorry to see the book close. "There were many resources that attempted to compete with the callbooks," says Radio Shack buyer Wayne Wilson in an e-mail. "But for a long time, the callbook was the only resource that translated endless FCC database entries like Motorola into the actual services that were on those frequencies. No other resource I know of accomplished that. I can tell you over the years we turned down many vendors selling nothing more than the FCC database on CD." Hughes says the company even asked him to reconsider his retirement during the Hurricane Katrina rescue efforts -- which likely produced the greatest concentration of emergency radio traffic in recent U.S. history. "I'm getting reports that the books are selling like crazy," he says. "They said, 'Will you print any more?' I said, 'Nope.'" Of course, at 77, Hughes is allowed to retire -- if that's what you want to call it. He retired from his day job in commercial two-way radio in 1987, but 10 years ago accepted a volunteer assignment as a specialist reserve police officer for the LAPD. He's worked 20 hours a week at the front desk of the department's Wilshire Station ever since. And when he comes home, he goes to his bank of scanners and tunes in, just as he did 65 years ago -- with some differences. "I make sure that my scanner is picking up the Wilshire Division," he says. "I hear a call go out, and I know everybody now. I say, 'Hey, that's Bailey rolling out on that call.'" 796 From: David Pinero Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 6:14pm Subject: The State of Openness dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Openness.org website is currently dormant (http://www.openness.org). There are no financial reasons for this, or any wane in the outlook for open broadcasting in this country. Rather, I'm asserting a new blogging application for it and it's taking time because it's, unfortunately, a secondary interest to other blogs I run. I also have concerns over the successful implementation of the blogging application itself because I am author of it and am developing it for use as a general blogging app by everyone. In the spirit of keeping the URL active, and as an ode' to days of past, I have, in the meantime, restored the very first "Calling All Citizens" website in as much form as I can possibly reconstruct today. Personally I find the site intriguing not just because of its focus on this niche interest of open police radio broadcasting, but because as a website it is an apparent herald to today's web phenomena of "blogging". There wasn't a name for this style of presentation back then (1996) and you can certainly imagine a bunch of people standing around scratching their heads over it completely unaware that in the 2000s there would be millions of websites just like it. The obsessive concentration on an extremely narrow interest area, all parlayed as a lively website to anyone who might stumble across it, was not necessarily the spectacle of insanity one might necessarily have taken it as. Turns out, it was actually the future. It is difficult not to smile when news accounts of some blogging controversy of one sort or other erupts today, knowing full well I've been there and done that almost a full decade ago. The matter of open broadcasting itself, of course, has somewhat calmed down for worse, but actually, for better in some ways. September 11 shook away the notion of more random ears or eyes absorbing police traffic as a potentially liberal benevolence some departments and police executives might seriously consider. We could cite at least a few positive attitudes back then. After September 11, that iota of a climate changed. It wasn't that open police communications was suddenly a bad idea - it was always JUST an idea for better or for worse, after all, but one worth living with if you fell on the side of keeping your public safety communications open. So said we. It had more to do with conservative mindsets acquiring one hell of a sexy demonstration against anything that mixes open society and policing. If two iconic skyscrapers going up in mushroom balls of fire don't effectively scare people into believing that police scanners are bad when police say they are, I don't what is. Police scanners and unencrypted communications had nothing to do with September 11, save for the case where a subway operator reportedly shut down train loads of people who were otherwise about to be delivered to their doom, after hearing the initial chaos over a police scanner. But as the pop-saying goes, September 11 changed everything, including the question of how secretly police at all levels should operate. A police chief or sheriff who might have never really been open to the idea of keeping broadcasts free and clear in the first place, only has to roll that horrific video on cue and remind that terrorists might use police scanners. On the plus side, there are a few positive evolutions that have nothing to do with the thesis of the Openness cause per se. For instance, scanning technology really HAS kept up with most incarnations of local public safety. Today trunking scanners are relatively common, and most public safety agencies continue to favor other forms of relaying sensitive discussion over the expensive and technically problem-ridden prospect of digitally encrypting their entire radio networks. If a public safety agency simply digitizes without encryption, well, it seems there are now digital police scanners, too. Between that and selective encryption you can still listen in on the local police chase, but you're not likely to hear about the burglar alarm up the street, which is a call best transmitted via MDT and always has been. "Real" police scanning, which involves all the action the hobbyist craves, has improved somewhat without all the 10-7 and 10-8 "noise" that exists in entirely analog systems. Perhaps as well, the benefits of a public that is capable of tuning in have not entirely gone over the heads of public safety officials anyway. If there is any regard, police would just as soon seek more "control" of that process rather than allow complete freedom. Some agencies go out of their way to make sure "accredited" news agencies can still tune in no matter what level of encryption they apply, and a few publish their policies (many probably do but keep it quiet between themselves and the news agents with which they directly cooperate). Problematic all the same, of course, is who or what constitutes an "accredited" media agency, who decides that, and why. The Internet in particular has changed the landscape of journalism and the question of whether or not we as a nation are prepared to finally officialize media outlets as they do in China and elsewhere solely to avoid "lawsuits of principle" is getting hotter by the day. It is easier today than ever to see a connection between politics and access, money and access, and bias and access, than ever before. You might say that we've had the China system all along, it was just easier to hide before camcorders and the Internet. So, there you have it. When the new blogging system comes online I'll be sure to let this list know first. Dave 797 From: David Pinero Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 6:20pm Subject: Openness Listserv Itself, Open dpinero2 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I've re-opened the Openness listserv to members once more. I meant to do this a LONG time ago, but now that I'm paying attention to Openness today, am making sure I follow through. If you'd like to publish to this message list, simply e-mail: openness@yahoogroups.com You should all be able to send messages to the group (68 members) and reply to group-wide messages as well. I *am* utilizing Yahoo's first-time post moderation feature. If you are a new member posting for the first time, your initial message will be sent for approval prior to posting. Once that message is approved, subsequent messages should post immediately. This is to discourage spam bots that broadcast easily to non-moderated Yahoo groups. Dave