The aim of this page is to write up a series of emails between myself and Rob Denton, G4YRZ. Rob saw my reference to the modification of my Tait VHF radio to 2m use and emailed me for details. To make this process easier for other hams I aim to give the same information here that I gave him. Although the emails concerned only the Tait radio the procedure for other synthesized rigs should be similar.
So lets introduce the man who is responsible for this write up as he introduced himself.
From: "Rob Denton"To: Subject: tait t500 mk2 Date sent: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:02:48 +0100 Dear friend, I saw your page on QSL.net. I have recently acquired the tait t500 series2 on 170MHz and I wish to modify it to 2mtrs. It says on your page to write to you if I need help so please could you send me any mod info you have. I would be very grateful if you could, many thanks. Rob Denton G4YRZ
Now before I totally confuse the OM (or seem a bit condescending) on the other side of the keyboard lets gauge his capabilities.
Hello Pieter, You asked what equipment I have, well basic really, e.g. frequency counter, multimeter, soldering gear etc, but I may have access to a scope and sig generator from a friend. I have not done this before, but I have built a wxsat rx and some other projects, so I am willing to try. I appreciate you are busy, just fit me in when you can. Many Thanks Rob G4YRZ ----- Original Message ----- From:To: Rob Denton Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 7:17 AM Subject: Re: tait t500 mk2 > Received your email, will have to take a peek at exactly how I did > it. What type of equipment do you have? I had access to some > handy RF equipment at the lab here which made things a lot > easier. Also have you done this kind of thing before. I would like to > give you the instructions in such a way that I can put them on the web > when we are finished. Then more hams can use it. At the moment I have > a bit of a backlog in my work, but we will just have to make time, HI.
Rob seems to be wide awake on the other side so lets hit him with some jargon.
Ok I am going to send only a short message at a time rather than not sending anything at all. If you open the radio, take off the bottom cover which holds speaker. You will probably see two plug in boards. The small almost square one at the bottom right is a board with a couple of links soldered to it. (I am assuming that the controls of the radio is facing towards you.) The longer one to the right is the CTCSS board (if it is fitted, all the radios I had had these). I removed the CTCSS board just by unplugging it, maybe there was a retaining screw. The CTCSS board used CTCSS on both transmit and receive, the quickest way to get on the air was just to remove it completely. Later on I adjusted it to the 88.5 Hz CTCSS tone used by some amateurs. I also had to short out a link do disable the required CTCSS tone on receive. If you look around the main board you will see a couple of interesting chips and components. The power control trimpot is clearly marked on the main pcb. (I turned the power control a bit down during my tests but this is not critical.) Just below and to the right is the MC3357 FM demodulater IC. A bit further down and almost at the left edge of the board is the Deviation set trimpot. The parallel synthesizer IC is mounted below the small square plug in board with the links soldered on. Anyway enough for now, let me know if you are still following. 73 Pieter
And Rob's response to this inside peek of his radio?
Hi Pieter, Ok, I follow you so far no problem, ready for the next bit! Rob G4YRZ
As you will see in the next email I hoped he would give me more time to prepare for the next step. I realised Rob was keen to get his radio on the air so I just decided to give him a quick overview of all the steps involved in modifying a radio for a different frequency.
Oh no, I hoped you would have a lot of questions. ;-) OK here we go, I have done this quite some time ago so I have to work through it again as we go along. To summarize what we are trying to do: The main thing we need to know is how to reprogram the synthesizer. Once we have done that it (the synthesizer) will try to force the RX and TC VCOs to the ham frequencies we set the synthesizer up to do. The two VCOs usually have trimcaps to pull the center (unforced) frequencies to the relevant band we are trying to use. The radio I had was operating at about 155MHz and I had to retune both VCOs for 145MHz (BTW do you also have only 144- 146MHz in the UK? I know the USA goes up to 148MHz). After the VCO is running at 145MHz you should 'align' the receive bandpass filters to let the max 145MHz signals through and min. other commercial signals. Again mine was somewhere around 155 and had to be retuned to 145. How do you do this? Well I had a HP comms analyzer. So I injected a 145 MHz signal and measured the SINAD of the receive audio from the speaker. I just tuned the filters for max SINAD. I guess you don't have a way of measuring SINAD. You probably can get away with measuring the RMS audio output. And tune your filters for max. reading. With the comms analyzer I start with a very strong signal about -70dBm or more to get trough the RF filters while they are still at 155MHz. As I get better and better readings I lower the input signal until I get 12dB SINAD for a -120dBm input signal. Another question are you comfortable with dB dBm etc? I do not want to scare you off, I am sure we can get this radio up and running with minimum test equipment! After you are happy that you can receive properly you can also adjust your power output. The radio was probably tuned to give max. RF power output at the commercial frequency. A simple way of doing this is hooking up a SWR/power meter and a dummy load. Press PTT and tune the trimmer caps on the power output stage for max. RF power. You should be careful here, watch the current you are drawing from your power supply. You can do this adjustment with the power control trimpot turned down a bit, to avoid damaging something. Well that is the whole process outlined. Now I have to go and search for the details of how to program the synth. The synth is a motorola MC145152P2. There is a little math involved in getting from the transmit frequency you want to the programming bits you have to set up on the board with the links. Any questions thus far? Just ask, comments on my English is also welcome, it is not my first language, how is your Afrikaans? 73 Pieter
Ah and finally I managed to get too fast for Rob. ;-)
Me Again :o) Well, some of that went right over my head! I guess if I do it slowly a bit at a time I will get there. In answer to your questions: Yes, we only have 144-146 MHz over here., the actual freq I would like to put it on is 144.625. As for your English, well.....it's first class! I can speak some Bosnian and German but not Afrikaan. I am not spot on with db's but understand the basics (I think) :o) The synth on this one is a MC145152P1 and not 2 is that the same? So, my friend, where do I start? I found it a bit "heavy" :o) sorry to be a pain but i know I will get there in the end. Rob G4YRZ
So in the next email I looked up the specifications for the synth IC Rob's radio contained, I made a bash at the Americans and jumped right in and explained how the division ratios for synthesizer works. Straight from the datasheets didn't figure it out myself. Oh and this time I got carried away and typed a monster lengthed email.
All right, I will go a bit slower. All these things are really straight forward, maybe some of the buzz words can sound intimidating. Ok so its again the American who are bigger and better with their extra 2MHz of spectrum on 2m. My mother is Dutch and I can copy when she speaks with her side of the family. I cannot really speak Dutch because I never had to. All the family understand Afrikaans perfectly as they have been here since the late 1940s. German I will be able to understand bits of, had one year of it at school. But maybe only in writing following it when someone speaks is a bit too much. Ok the MC145152P1 is not a problem if I remember correctly this just refers to the package style. Let me check... From the databook: "The MC145152-2 is an improved-performance drop-in replacement for the MC145152-1. Power consumption has decreased and ESD and latch-up performance have improved." SD is probably Electro-static discharge. Not really a problem down in the Cape area as we are close to the sea. In Gauteng ex- Transvaal area working with electronic devices you have to be careful with static discharge as the air there is a lot drier. The 'P' suffix tells you it is a plastic DIP (dual inline package) package. A 'DW' suffix is the surface mount version. I now have the synth ic datasheets in PDF format. Downloaded it from motorolas website. It is 423K big can I email it to you? The best way to explain how to connect the links for a certain frequency is via an example: My radio is a 2 channel model at the moment I have a 145.300 simplex frequency and a 144.550 simplex packet frequency programmed. Check pins 4,5 and 6 on the MC145152 synth IC. All three mine are approx. 8.75V. This is a logic 1 for the IC as it uses a 8.75V supply and not the normal 5V supply. All three 1's indicate that the crystal frequency used for the synth reference is divided by the reference divider and by a factor of 2048. The 2048 number I get from the datasheets. Ok so if you know the frequency of the reference crystal you can get the reference frequency used by the synth. How to get the frequency the reference crystal is running at? Well mine does not have it written on the crystal itself :-( Pin 27 is the OSC in pin and Pin 28 is the OSCout pin. You can hook up your frequency counter to the OSCout pin it should be amplified. I am going to try and measure it with a scope, hang on. I measure about 12.8 MHz with scope on the OSCin pin! The OSCout pin output seems to small. Did someone switch the pins around? I will try and get a more accurate measurement with a frequency counter, hang on: No useful output from the HP frequency counter, the poor thing is older than me. Get a second opinion from a small Thandor frequency counter: it says about 12.7 MHz. Funny thing is I get a more stable measurement from the OSCout pin this time round. Black magic these ICs. If I remember correctly I did not actually measure this when I converted the set, I checked the original transmit frequency and worked back from it until I got the reference. Anyway 12.8 MHz should be the correct frequency because I remember that the channel spacing is 6.25kHz on this set. To check 2048 (from the reference values measured on pins 4, 5 and 6) multiplied by 6.25 kHz gives us the reference crystal frequency of 12.8 MHz! Interrupt me if I am confusing you. Now how do we get to the actual transmit frequency? Let's check my 144.550 frequency. Start with transmit as this is easier (receive is 21.4 MHz lower on my set due to the IF being 21.4 MHz). The links soldered on my set is as follows from N9 to N0 and from A5 to A0 as follows (hope your binary math is OK). Read an open link as a one and a short as a zero: N9-N0: 1001000010 A5-A0: 001000 Now change that to decimal (my calculator can do this, do you have something, otherwise you can do this manually?) The lowest bit (the on furthest to the right is a 0 or a 1 the next bit position to the left 'adds' 0 or 2 the next bit to the right 'adds' 4 or 0 and it goes up by a factor of 2 each time, maybe a calculator is easier than my explanation) Anyway the N number above in decimal is (using the procedure just explained: 2+64+512=578) The A number is (8=8) The following equation is used for this synth IC (it is used by most synth ICs): Ntotal=N*P+A where N is the total division value N the N9-N0 number just calculated A the A5-A0 number just calculated and P something called the prescaler divide values (something I forgotten to tell you about! The small 8pin chip just to the left of the cast iron box with the RX/TX letters on top is the prescaler IC, mine is a MC12061. The prescaler has a division ration of 40/41 use the lower one thus P=40 ) Now the big moment lets calculate the total division value and multiply that with our reference frequency. Ntotal=578*40+8=23128 Multiply this by 6.26 kHz and you get: 144.550 MHz ! It works! Lets check receive, but this time remember that our VCO runs at the receive frequency minus the IF frequency. For my set this IF is 21.4 MHz. If you want I can explain on all the IF stages used later (there is actually a second IF at 455kHz at which the FM demodular IC operates). Lets calculate the receive frequency this time, but this time we start with the receiver frequency we want and work towards the open and shorted connections we want in the radio itself! OK I want to receive at 144.550 -21.4 = 123.150 MHz. This is what the receive VCO runs at. Divide this by 6.25 kHz and you get 19704 for the total divide value. Now to get to the A and N values. Divide 19704 by 40 and you get 492.6 A=492 and N equals 0.6 times 40 or 24. (Just check that Ntotal=N*P+A=492*40+24=19704). Convert N and A to binary: Use a calculator or I can explain the manual method. N = 0111101100 A= 011000 (remember to have the same number of bits each time you may add 0s to the front of your number, I had to add one 0 to both the N value and the A value to make up the 10 and 6 bits respectively). A quick check with my RX1 soldered links in the radio (where a c is a closed link and a o is an open link, remember c is a 0 and o is a 1): N coooocoocc A cooccc It checks out perfectly. Now you can trust my calculations, If your radio has the same reference and prescaler as mine you can follow my calculations exactly. I wrote a small program to check my calculations but it runs under a mathematical package called Matlab. One day I will have to port it to something that runs on its own. Once you have changed the soldered links you radio may not rx or tx yet. Connect a dummy load and a wattmeter to your radio. Press PTT and turn the trim cap with a tuning tool or preferabbly non-metallic screwdriver in the TX hole of the diecast metal box. You should see the RF power jump up for a certain trimmer cap position. You can get a feel for how far you can turn the trimmer before the power drops again. Set the trimmer to the center position between the two position where the RF power drops. To get the radio to receive is a bit more difficult because you need to adjust the RX trimmer cap as well as the input RF filters. Start with a strong input signal say about -50 to -70dBm at your RX frequency. Turn the RX trimmer cap until you hear something. Again try to find the centre of the trimmer cap position. Now you have to start tuning your input filters. These are tuned by the four metal boxes at the back of the radio. (I actually do not remember if all 4 have an effect I can check but not tonight) Three of them have the same colour core lining, gray, the fourth one has a blueish core lining. This blue one might be for a different band i.e. the IF so maybe leave it for the moment. Decrease the signal power from the signal generator until you just start loosing reception of the test signal. Start turning the leftmost metal box (called a tuning coil) until you hear the signal clearly. Decrease the signal again until you just start loosing reception and tackle the next tuning coil. Once you have worked through all three decrease the signal again and tweak them again. You can repeat this a couple of times. If you decrease the input signal to about -120dBm and you can still hear your test signal with some clicks (splatter) appearing in the output audio, you have done a good job. (A test signal can be only a carrier, but most people use a carrier with a 1kHz audio tone FM modulated ontop of it. I do not know if you have facilities to generate this signal. The first part of this process can probably be done by monitoring a local repeater as a signal source, and more distant signals from fellow hams as you start tuning the RF filters, but this is a bit of a 'cowboy' approach.) Good luck, this is probably the longest most technical email I have ever written. Feel free to ask if I left something out. I am sure that you will jump through the roof if you get this going. I am still excited each time I manage to get a rig onto amateur bands!) 73 Pieter
Was Rob intimidated by this monster email? Nope, he was getting worried about his roof.
But then Rob got quiet and I was getting worried, somewhere out there a perfectly good Tait radio wasn't converted to the good cause yet. I emailed Rob fearing the worst and so it was, ligthning struck.
Hello Pieter, Sorry for the delay, my phone line was struck by lightning and took out the phonebox AND my new modem (boo hoo) :o) I have just got back online today. I will be taking the rigs to the local radio club on thurs eve, they are converting one and I am doing the other. I feel confident enough now to have a go and finally understand the instructions. I will let you know the results. Sorry for the delay ut it was out of my hands, Rob G4YRZ ----- Original Message ----- From:To: Rob Denton Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:56 PM Subject: Re: tait t500 mk2 > Hallo Rob, you have been quiet. I also have been quite busy, one > of my colleagues was on leave this term and I had to take up some > of his responsibilities. How is that conversion of the Tait going? > Just shout if you need any help or if you are stuck somewhere... > > 73 > Pieter
But Rob was back in full force and with the help of his local club started asking difficult questions.
Hi Pieter, Just to let you know the outcome from last night. Firstly we got the diode matrix board sorted out on frequency then went to adjust the trimmers to lock the chip on freq but the voltage hung around 0.8v!!!! I believe it needs to be around 4v or something like that? My friend said it needs either a core in the tuner or a cap placing across the bottom of the board as the frequency is lower than it's set for. What is your feedback on this please? Rob G4YRZ
The question was too tough and I had to think up a really good excuse not to seem to stupid
Hi Pieter, The voltage is measured on TP2 (between the diode matrix and the screened metal box with tx/rx trimmers enc) it would be interesting to see what voltage you get, I think he used the middle of the three pins but I don't know if it matters. Rob G4YRZ ----- Original Message ----- From:To: Robert Denton Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Mods > Hey Rob sorry for the delay. Went to a three day conference and > have a bit of catching up to do. Where exactly do you measure > that voltage. I assume it is the VCO control voltage? > > 73 > Pieter
I was feeling a bit out of my league but hey I have been teaching for a couple of months now and if you don't know the answer try to stall...
Hmm maybe we have a different model I measured at TP2 there are three pins With radio facing towards me: . . . pin 1 2 3 I measure for a 145.300 receive frequency 7.06V 6.65V 0V and for 144.550 receive frequency 7.70V 5.62V 0V These voltages seem a bit off from the values you have quoted. It might be that you have a model that is not a VHF model? Maybe a 70MHz model ? 73 Pieter
Rob was undaunted he was on a mission to get this radio on the air. Just a quick verification of the synthesizer frequencies and we are on schedule again.
Hi Pieter, With the front of the radio facing me the voltages are: l to r 0v 0.8v 8.8v! The radio was originally on 173Mhz. I put the freq counter on it to check. the diode board has been set for 144.625 i think! Can you confirm for me it is like this: T1 occoccccoc/cococc R1 coooocoocc/occocc is this correct? Rob G4YRZ
Rob's calculation checked out perfectly as you will see in the next email.
Ooh now let me go and have a look at the explanation I gave you a couple of emails ago. I have to check if an open is a 1 or a 0, standby... Open is a 1 according to my archive. Lets start with your T1 as ther is no IF to consider. 10 0100 0010 and 010100 578 and 20 according to Matlab Ntotal = N*P+A (P is 40) = 578*50 + 20 =23140 multiply by reference 6.25 khz 144.625 MHz Yes, you are right! Quickly check RX 0111101100 and 100100 492 and 27 Ntotal=40*492 + 36 =19716 *6.25 khz reference 123.225MHz what was that IF again... 21.4 MHz according to records I get 144.625MHz let me just check the typing yes your RX is correct also I assume your rig uses the same 6.25 kHz reference, the same 21.4 MHz IF, and the same divide by 40 prescaler. Then your VCO's should work. I had to tweak the trimmer caps in throught the holes in the die-cast shielded box to get the vco's up and running and the 144.550 frequency I used. I never checked the voltages at test point 2 until you asked me... I can't remember if we missed any steps in the process. Even if your receive and transmit filters aren't retuned yet your VCO's should be able to lock. We have to get this radio going, ask me more questions I will also think a bit on this. 73 Pieter
And then a breaktrough on about the 19 September...
From: "Robert Denton"To: Subject: Re: Mods Date sent: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:22:13 +0100 Hi Pieter, Good News!!!!!!! You know how keen I am to get this thing going, well I got up this morning and decided to take another look at it. I put the voltage meter to the centre pin and still it's on 0.8v. So, I decided to think about it and have a look around. Anyway, not knowing much I remember there is the tx side as well as rx and wondered if it would make any difference altering the tx coil. Whilst still keeping the voltage meter on TP2 centre pin I adjusted the tx side also, in fact both of them. Bingo. The voltage shot up to 8v on the centre pin as well as the right one. I have so far fine tuned it by firstly setting it to 4v (it seemed a good place to start) :o) then talking on another 2m tcvr until I could hear my voice. I am now receiving :o) Now I have to sort out the tx side maybe I will have to visit the club again as they have more knowledge than me there. Do you have any ideas and what do you think of it so far? I think we will get there Peter :o) Rob G4YRZ
Rob was so excited he got in a second email before I could reply
Me again, How stupid of me, it says in the info to tweak rx, only someone at the club says it wouldn't affect it on rx, how wrong they were. Awaiting your reply. Rob G4YRZ
Rob was still so excited he even got a third email in before I could reply.
Hi Pieter, Just to let you know the rig is now up and running :o) It was all there in the instructions thanks to YOU. One thing, I would like to put the second channel on 144.725 but can't get the maths right, can you help, Rob G4YRZ. p.s. We raised the roof!
Finally I managed to get in a word edge wise. I was glad we got the radio up and running, but I wanted to make sure that we didn't do a sloppy job.
> Good news, I am glad you got it up and running. I do not know > how much tx power you can output yet. Or if you have tuned your > receive filter for maximum sensitivity yet. I think I described these > to you already. They rx filters might be a bit tricky without the > relevant test equipment.
My flat response to Rob's excitement didn't put him off at all.
Hi Pieter, I did it as you said, left to right for rx until I got a good signal, I was tuning it on a friends transmission 20 miles away! Thanks for the maths, do you have it for receive too on the same frequency ( 144.725) the first freq is our local chat cahannel when not in use for raynet skeds. Oh, i'm so happy it's running. Rob G4YRZ
By this time I had some leave planned and warned Rob about it, but first I checked the frequencies he requested.
Glad hear about all your successes. I am going on a loooong weekend until about Wednesday. Visiting my parents in the Northern Cape on a farm near Niewoudtville. If you can find that on a map you are really good or you have good maps. Will try to email from there. Everything runs from Solar panels and a Lister Diesel engine and generator. 73 Pieter Oh the RX frequency forgot all about it, lets see... 144.725-21.4 for the IF /6.25 kHz 19732 /40 N=493 A=12 N=111101101 A=1100 Very quick calculations hope they are correct! Enjoy
So, finally, after several emails across (or below?) the oceans out there, somewhere, is another little Tait radio that could. Doing good work in the Amateur service. It took a couple of weeks, a bolt of lightning and finally an earthquake but the little rig is up and running.
Hello Pieter, Just would like to say a big "thank you" for all your help. The two tait t500 rigs are now up and running on two channels. I appreciate your patience and all your help you have given me to get through this. My friend (who has the other rig) is over the moon that they are working. He gave me them on the condition that if I got them converted I could have one and he the other, and so it is. Let me tell you a little more about myself, my other hobbies are weather satellites, and I am just getting interested in amateur sats, I once tried it a year ago RS12/13 and was well impressed, my next rig will be a vhf/uhf for working the birds. I noticed SO-35 at the end of your email, are you something to do with sats? My other spare time occupation is voluntary aid worker (14 trips to Bosnia to date) you can see my webpage at www.g4yrz.freeserve.co.uk Anyway Pieter, I hope you had a good holiday, I could do with one myself, I sponsor a child in India and have been invited over in the future so maybe one day I will make that trip to the Himalayas where she lives. I love to travel. We had an earthquake here this morning, maybe you saw it on tv , it measured 5 on the Richter scale, very disturbing, but nothing drastic thank goodness. Thanks again Pieta for everything, take care my friend. Rob G4YRZHome