Dear Fellow Colleagues: In a recent question, John Lin asked about the problems of covering all the combinations in a SCSI backplane investigation. Of course, the number of combinations is very large but with care it is manageable. Use of symmetry and a matrix of loading cases is very helpful. However, there is an underlying resonance problem with all multi-drop busses seems to be related to the value of the per slot reactive elements, especially the stub reactance and the rise/fall time of the transceivers used on the bus. Scott McMorrow's recommendation to use an .AC investigation of the multi-drop structure (with terminations) is an excellent suggestion to incorporate in your analysis. If one computes the .AC driving point impedance at a given point on the bus, you will see resonance peaks which appear to be a parallel type resonance, i.e., high impedance at the driving point. This can be made into a graphical result with most SPICE tools. You will also find that the time domain analysis of the same bus will show ringing at nearly the same frequencies you saw in the .AC analysis. This ringing is excited by rise/fall times of the drivers and its impact is related to the speed of the drivers. I am not sure that the driver dynamic impedance makes much difference. The most common situation is that the active driver when proceeding to the high state goes from a low value to near turned off and all others are tri-stated. Under these conditions, the bus looks like a lossy resonator and generally the ringing continues after state changes from low to high. Depending on the data rate, the ringing can have a duration over a substantial portion of the cycle. As stated, the amount of ringing and its duration is related directly to the rise time of the active driver and for that reason, controlled risetime drivers are recommended. Other effects like split backplanes, cables in conjunction with backplanes, redundant driving, etc. only complicates this problem. Bussed clocks are subject to the same problems and for that reason, point to point serial terminated topologies (for CMOS) are better. Sincerely, ed sayre & the NESA staff +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | NORTH EAST SYSTEMS ASSOCIATES, INC. | | ------------------------------------- | | "High Performance Engineering & Design" | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Dr. Ed Sayre e-mail: esayre@nesa.com | | NESA, Inc. http://www.nesa.com/ | | 636 Great Road Tel +1.978.897-8787 | | Stow, MA 01775 USA Fax +1.978.897-5359 | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ **** To unsubscribe from si-list or si-list-digest: send e-mail to majordomo@silab.eng.sun.com. In the BODY of message put: UNSUBSCRIBE si-list or UNSUBSCRIBE si-list-digest, for more help, put HELP. si-list archives are accessible at http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ****