RE: [SI-LIST] : searching for Toshiba models

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From: Ken Cantrell (Ken.Cantrell@srccomp.com)
Date: Mon Dec 18 2000 - 15:55:03 PST


Since we are all tired of this I will respond to Weston privately.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-si-list@silab.eng.sun.com
[mailto:owner-si-list@silab.eng.sun.com]On Behalf Of Beal, Weston
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:29 PM
To: si-list@silab.eng.sun.com
Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] : searching for Toshiba models

I can't leave this the way it is. I just want to answer Ken's question to
help clarify a few things. My comments inline below preceded by >>>.

No response required.

Regards,
Weston

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Cantrell [mailto:Ken.Cantrell@srccomp.com]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 1:00 PM
To: Beal, Weston
Cc: si-list@silab.eng.sun.com
Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] : searching for Toshiba models

Weston,
My apologies if you have a lab, and I do not doubt your word since you can
"run down stairs and see that it exists". You might check though, it's been
a couple of weeks since you've been down there. This means you aren't a
member of that same lab, so how can your input be valid about what tests are
performed or not performed in that lab.
Why is it that you are the one sounding off instead of the lab manager?
>>> he doesn't read this email list. You can catch him on the ibis lists

Isn't that Tony?
>>> no

It sure sounded like Tony (that Michael N. referred us to)
was the person in authority. Someone who could give us correct, real data
on what Mentor had to offer, and posted the URL in his e-mail. My confusion,
and perhaps you can explain it away, is your requirement that the user
supply the lab data .OR. (that's C for logical OR) the spice file. From
your
web site ... again:
"ICX Project Modeling
"From the parts list supplied to us at the time of order we provide
qualityIBIS models from our Standard Library matching the exact devices you
are using or **create models from devices or a SPICE source you supply.**"
It's **starred** for you now. Do you see how that would be
misleading/confusing?
>>> no. devices (actual IC) you supply || (that's C for logical OR) a SPICE
source you supply.

You wouldn't need either if you had a lab to test the parts now would you?
>>> yes. you need an IC to measure.

If you do have a lab, then you and the people that manage your web site need
to get coordinated because Mentor has created the perception that this is
not the case. Also, why are you showing up so late in the game?
>>> I had to clarify your incorrect statement that Mentor did not have a
lab.

Don't your
own personnel know you have a lab?
>>> yes. pretty much everyone knows.

Are you the only one that's figured this
out?
>>> no. take a poll.

Why wasn't this clarification put forth sooner, mentioned by one of
your other representatives, like Scott McMorrow, who joined in the
discussion prior to you?
>>> They were responding to other points. Scott is not a representative of
Mentor Graphics. We like him and he's a smart guy, but he works for Siqual.

You have too many loose ends, too little
information coordination, and too, too, too much buttcovering BS. In case
no one has clued you in, Scott had things on a level keel until you popped
in. You're not a design engineer, are you?
>>> no. I'm a signal integrity engineer. That's all I do, SI.

You sure don't talk like one.
If you're not, you're pounding a company drum and your input is already
suspect. This is an engineering data exchange group, not a sales/marketing
forum, and I for one am tired of this "discussion" since it has degenerated
into nothing of technical interest. You represent your company well.

So anyway,Weston, that's how I figure that.

Ken

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