Re: [SI-LIST] : Capacitor dielectric type

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From: Dennis Schmitz (den@positron.net)
Date: Wed Dec 06 2000 - 12:54:40 PST


I did find this paper on the web. It goes briefly into the theory of a parallel plate transmission line and ways to change its resonant frequency. The mathematics can get pretty messy with anything other than a regular geometry.

http://search.ieice.or.jp/2000/abs/e83-b_3_577.htm

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Mark Gill
  To: 'Michael Nudelman'
  Cc: 'Dennis Schmitz' ; si-list
  Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:10 PM
  Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] : Capacitor dielectric type

  Hey Mike -

  Decoupling the backplane is not required if the boards are correctly filtered/decoupled. None of the systems I have worked on require decaps on the backplane (reliability problem), and none of them have ever exhibited this type of problem. But we do have good filtering/decoupling on the -48 V input to each card. Smart powering (which Joseph mentions) is a slicker approach, and very reasonable when considering switching power systems. But depending on the actual parasitics (inductances, resistances, and capacitances), you certainly can get high frequency ringing upon insertion - try simulating with SPICE to get a feel. The toughest parasitic should be the inductance. There are some ferrites which offer good resistive losses at higher frequencies. I would still call this an inrush phenomenon.

  Mark
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Nudelman [mailto:mnudelman@tellium.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:54 PM
    To: Gill, Mark [NCRTP:9030:EXCH]
    Cc: 'Dennis Schmitz'; si-list
    Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] : Capacitor dielectric type

    And, yeah - the backplane should be de-coupled as well. The problem is - to find 48V ceramic SMT caps of significant cacacitance is a pain.
    Mike.

    Mark Gill wrote:

      Dennis -Your board insertion problem sounds more like an in-rush current problem than power plane resonance. Do you have further details which would confirm resonance over inrush?Mark
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Dennis Schmitz [mailto:den@positron.net]
        Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 5:38 PM
        To: si-list
        Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] : Capacitor dielectric type
         
        Can some kind person please point me to some references on power-plane resonance? I am researching for a new backplane design of an existing system where we are having some problems with board insertion causing disturbances on the power distribution planes. Thanks in advance.

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