Re: [SI-LIST] : XTK vs ICX

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From: Scott McMorrow (scott@vasthorizons.com)
Date: Wed Jan 19 2000 - 10:28:35 PST


ICX also offers multistage driver support.
This is the IBIS [Driver Schedule] construct.

Additionally, the advanced scripting capability of
the tool is quite awesome.

Tadashi ARAI wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> It may be important what type of methodology you use in your design.
>
> Hyperlynx is easier to use than the others, but poor functions such that
> small waveform viewer window gives limited information, not IBIS v.3.x
> supported, etc.
>
> ICX is great, if you design your PCB layout yourself, with rule-driven
> assistance router. Supporting IBIS v.3.x is good, but multi-staged (or
> some advanced function of ) QUAD model is not supported as far as I
> know.
> You will need many time initially to use ICX as whole degign checker,
> because you must enter many parameters of rules database, besides you
> must wait for a long time during the calculation.
>
> XTK is my favorite, but some more complex than the others. You may need
> to take a time to learn XTK, but with a help of good documents, you will
> soon make it use easier. Model support is great, IBIS 3.x is of course.
> It is not so sofisticated like other new tools, but text (ASCII) based
> databases are easy to manage than the other GUI oriented tools in the
> case of such as you stack with uncertain trouble.
>
> My impressions are ...
>
> Hyperlynx ICX XTK
> -------------- ------------------- ----------------- ----------------
> Model Support **2** **3** **4**
> (Native: IBIS 2.x IBIS 3.x Quad native )
> (Board disc.: EBD TOPSPEC )
> (non-coupled
> line only)
> (Converted: old-Quad IBIS 3.x )
>
> Ease of Use **5** **3** **3**
> (Very easy! But (Sofisticated. (Need to learn.
> simple can do only But bit complex.) But is easy.)
> simple.)
>
> Rule Checking **1** **5** **3**
> (You must do it (Great checking (Check by the
> manually.) functions.) report output.
> Difficult.)
>
> What-if **3** **3** **4**
> "What is what-if is what you want to what-if function."(?)
>
> Multi-board **1** **3** **4**
> (Can it ?) (Need x-tra cost.) (Need to learn.)
>
> Tool support **4** **4** **3**
> "If your CAD was interfaced, it is enough. Isn't it ?"
>
> //// /// // / / / / / / / / /
> /
> Tadashi Arai//Platform Developing Dept.,Desktop Prd Div. Fujitsu Limited
> arap@paso.fujitsu.co.jp TEL:+81-42-370-7617 Inagi-shi, Tokyo, Japan
> / / / / / / / / / / / // ///
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:16:15 -0500
> Mail from tony.scarangella@wwgsolutions.com described as below:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Gentleman,
> >
> > My company is in the process of evaluation several Signal Integrity Tools such
> > as XTK, ICX and Hyperlynx.
> > We eliminated Hyperlynx already. Our requirements are to design a 19 slot
> > chassis ( main card, backplane and several plug in cards). We have several
> > high
> > speed (622Mbs) BLVDS buses, ethernet, gigabit, OC12, OC48, 128 MHz 64 bit DRAM
> > buses (1Gig), PECL We are focusing on model support, easy of use, rules
> > checking, what-if, multi-board, tool support.
> >
> > I would be interested in any feedback as to your experience in using these
> > tools
> > (Pros and Cons).
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
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