From: Chris Cheng (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Fri Nov 12 1999 - 17:29:07 PST
commercialism is not good but how about advertising software
from university or research. for years i have found many
university research tools actually have better quality than
commercial ones and i wish more people publish their tools
in the alias so people can have free exchange of cool stuffs.
who knows, may be instead of spending the money on em tools
i can use that budget for a ferrari (ferrari is cheaper, i
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> [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of Ray Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 11:16 AM
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> Subject: [SI-LIST] : Posting of Commercial Messages on si-list
> Si-List :
> Arghhh! Here we go again. As many of the subscribers will have
> noted, there has been a recent increase in the number of "commercial"
> messages posted to the list describing various simulation and modeling
> The long-standing list policy has been to maintain si-list as a
> 'commercial-free' zone. The list supports many interesting, instructive
> and thought-provoking technical discussions, which are the reason the
> majority of the subscribers subscribe to the list. The posting of
> offers tends to degrade the signal-to-noise ratio of the list. Also,
> the practice tends to put those who do refrain from posting ad's at
> a competitive disadvantage relative to those who don't.
> I realize that the temptation to place ones ad's in front of
> a hand picked targeted group of 1500 + potential customers is indeed great
> for the vendors. However, if this were allowed to proliferate, si-list
> would end up being just another source of spam mail.
> I've recently received several e-mails from various vendors
> expressing their annoyance with some of their competitor's postings.
> So, as the list maintainer, I guess it is time to repost a short, succinct
> list of guidelines on what is and isn't allowable relative to vendor
> 1. Obvious advertisements and commercial postings
> are not allowed.
> 2. Vendor responses to technical questions regarding
> the use and capabilities of various tools can be
> valuable. Please limit the response to the technicalities
> and refrain from the marketing. It is allowable and
> desirable to invite those interested to contact you
> directly via e-mail or to visit your web site.
> 3. Vendors who have a new tool that they want to announce to
> the world can make a simple statement of fact and then
> refer those interested to e-mail or a web address for
> further information.
> Enough rules. It make me feel like a 'net-cop' writing these
> kind of messages.
> I hope the comments on commercial postings and the re-statement
> of rules are taken in the spirit intended and don't come across as
> insulting towards vendors. The SI engineer would have a much harder
> time doing his job without the benefit of many of the fine tools offered
> by a number of the list's member vendors.
> To conclude, I just encourage the vendors amongst us to review
> their postings prior to sending them to the list. If it sounds like a
> commercial, then it probably is, or at least it may be
> interpreted as such.
> Back to our regularly scheduled programming......
> Ray Anderson
> si-list administrator
> Sun Microsystems Inc.
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