Re: [SI-LIST] :Slower switching rate [was: si-list crash addendum]

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From: Adrian Shiner ([email protected])
Date: Wed Nov 24 1999 - 12:15:39 PST

Well, we have a worthwhile discussion going on this speed issue.

Obviously the chip makers want to keep the speed of all devices on the chip
much the same because it lowers costs.... Notice how motor cars tend to have
higher and higher top speeds? Speed limits are tending to move in the
opposite direction!

The "ideal" system design would approach my original physical segregation of
circuits by needed speed. This could mean Ferrite chip packages with opto
link multiplexed output from the high speed computing area inside the chip
fed to the slow world of (dare I mention it) analogue and other mundane
physical devices. The high speed chips can have integrated power
conditioning circuits. Power (think kw) switching semiconductors are moving
into this area to improve reliability and lower interfacing costs.

Is it high time to break the limited moulds imposed by a few chip and
software creators? Possible use of chaotic clocks, "n" level logic and
truly asyschronous circuits, coupled with parallel processing.. high speed
"instantantaneous" two way communication of information along a line has
been made with the active parts only at one end of the line way back in the

Chaotic clocks are potentially better than any n bit mathematical encryption
algorithm for security....

Best wishes


----- Original Message -----
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: 23 November 1999 23:14
Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] :Slower switching rate [was: si-list crash addendum]

> DC's comment reminded me an instance a while ago. A colleague
> of mine came to me to talk about the characterisation results of an
> ethernet chip and asked about the output waveforms of some IO
> pins, which looked slow to him.
> him: Is that your intentional design?
> me: yes?
> him: -silence-
> me: Well, it looks a little bit slow yet it will fit into the lower end
> the spec..
> him: -silence-
> I knew exactly what he felt. We would like to put our typical design
> target at the middle of the spec. range that you are much safe to avoid
> troubles of any unforeseen factors. Perhaps I was a bit more
> concerned to SI issues at board level in trading with our usual
> safety guard. Thanks to the subscription to this forum :-).
> Anyway, it is a good point to push marketing guys to think about
> the Philips' approach.
> Raymond
> ---------------------- Forwarded by Raymond Leung/QSA/AU on 24/11/99 08:54
> ---------------------------
> "D. C. Sessions" <[email protected]> on 24/11/99 07:05:46
> Please respond to [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> cc: (bcc: Raymond Leung/QSA/AU)
> Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] : si-list crash addendum
> Adrian Shiner wrote:
> >
> > I'll second that. Irrespective of the immediate personal need, it is a
> > forum. I also second the many requests to suppress the adverts for
> > employment opportunities in particular..of no value to me and wasting my
> > money. We residents of the UK are still getting S*****D to access the
> > Internet.
> IMHO a www-page with (weekly?) digest of links to this forum would
> be a good compromise. Employers could post to the "board" and the
> digest would direct people to new postings.
> > Anyone working on slowing switching time in ICs where they are not
> > absolutely necessary? You chip designers and fabricators are strangely
> > on this subject. Surely you are not playing the olld "CAVEAT EMPTOR"
> > If you are, then shame on you.
> [Speaking for Philips]
> Last week we had a meeting of the corporate SI&EMC community.
> The main emphasis is that Philips' primary tool for limiting
> SI & EMC problems is edge-rate control; our standard libraries
> have 5000, 10000, and 20000-ps edge time parts.
> [Speaking for DCS]
> ... which causes quite a bit of trouble when my customers are
> exclusively interested in system cycle times under 3000 ps.
> My job is solving my customers' problems, and the solution
> MUST begin with them.
> [Speaking for the semi manufacturers]
> [Yeah, right, Intel is gonna let me speak for THEM???]
> It's a supply-and-demand problem. We *know* we have customers
> who will pay for let-it-all-hang-out speed. They get taken
> care of. If there's a demand (as in pounds, francs, Deutschmarks,
> lira, guilders, etc.) then we'll be more than happy to fill it.
> Money talks, and if you don't ask you won't receive.
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