RE: [SI-LIST] : Proposal: Rs correlation/collaboration for W-Elem

Mellitz, Richard (richard.mellitz@intel.com)
Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:52:08 -0700

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Ray,
I have attached a TTFT (too tuff for text) pdf file illustrates the
extraction of Rs from you data.
<<Mathcad - Rs.pdf>>
Also have you selected a lossy ground plane option?

... Richard Mellitz
Intel
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Anderson [mailto:raymonda@radium.eng.sun.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 1:18 PM
To: si-list@silab.eng.sun.com
Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] : Proposal: Rs
correlation/collaboration for W-Elem ents

A slight clarification on the numbers reported by Apsim
RLGC:

The tool calculated Rdc = 1.358E-4 ohms/mil . (That is
equivalent to
5.346 ohms/meter).

The numbers I reported were for the frequency dependent
resistance (Rs),
that is, the component that is in _addition_ to Rdc .

I assume (but don't know for a fact) that the values
calculated are
magnitude values, not just the Real part. I noticed that I
labeled
the values as Re(Rs) and that may have been (probably was)
an error
on my part.

The tool put out numbers as ohms/mil . I converted to
ohms/meter and
divided by sqrt(f) prior to presenting the results. As a
sanity check,
here are the raw numbers reported by the tool prior to my
manual post
processing:

2.777E-4 ohms/mil @ 100MHz
9.857E-4 ohms/mil @ 1GHz
2.372E-3 ohms/mil @ 5GHz

-Ray

Rich said:
>
> Ok here's what I did. I ignored your 1MHz. I converted
your numbers back to
> Re(rs) and subtracted the DC component, 4.449 ohms/meter.
Then I curve fit
> these results back to a sqrt(f) function. The value I then
come up with is
> 1.289E-3 Ohms/(sqrt(Hz)*meter). If I multiply by sqrt(2) I
get
> Mag(Rs)=1.823E-3 Ohms/(sqrt(Hz)*meter). It looks pretty
close to the closed
> from equation to me.
>
> ... Rich

Ray said:
>
> I ran Richard's microstrip example under
Apsim RLGC 1.500.0
> (a spectral domain solver) and came up with
the following
> results:
>
>
> Evaluated @ Re(Rs)
> -----------
--------------------------------
> @1MHz 1.4874E-3
Ohms/(sqrt(Hz)*meter)
> @100MHz 1.0933E-3
Ohms/(sqrt(Hz)*meter)
> @1GHz 1.2272E-3
Ohms/(sqrt(Hz)*meter)
> @5GHz 1.3207E-3
Ohms/(sqrt(Hz)*meter)
>
> The value at 1 MHz is curious in that it is
larger than the
> values at higher frequencies which seem to
fall on a
> frequency dependent monotonic line.
>
> Ray Anderson
> Sun Microsystems Inc.
>
>

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