**From:** Degerstrom, Michael J. (*degerstrom.michael@mayo.edu*)

**Date:** Wed May 23 2001 - 06:38:52 PDT

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Model the transmission line as a transmission line and the

load should be modeled as a lumped capacitance. You

may also want to model the package inductance and capacitance

depending on your application. Some of the load capacitance

may have series resistance due to ESD filter circuitry but

I rarely see vendors supplying this information unless it

it is factored into the IBIS model package resistance.

Mike

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*> -----Original Message-----
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*> From: Chandan [mailto:chandan_career@yahoo.com]
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*> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:00 AM
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*> To: SI FORUM
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*> Subject: [SI-LIST] : EFFECT OF LUMPED LOAD ON TRANSMISSION LINES
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*>
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*>
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*> Hi,
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*>
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*> Consider a long trace - long enough for it to be
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*> considered as a transmission line. Let this trace be
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*> connected between a CMOS driver & a CMOS receiver. The
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*> receiver can therefore be modeled as a capacitive
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*> load at the end of the line.
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*>
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*> 1. Should this capacitor be considered as a lumped
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*> element or distributed?
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*> This question assumes importance when point-to-point
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*> clock traces are routed between a synthesizer & a
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*> receiver. Ideally, the value of series (or source)
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*> termination resistance that must be used is the
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*> difference between the characteristic impedance and
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*> the driver's internal resistance. I was wondering if I
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*> should use the loaded characteristic impedance or
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*> unloaded characteristic impedance. I then began to
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*> wonder if I should consider the load as distributed or
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*> lumped. Kindly comment.
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*>
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*> 2. Does the lumped capacitance affect the properties
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*> of a transmission line? If so, how?
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*>
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*> 3. The following approximation describes the
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*> relationship between the loaded characteristic
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*> impedance, unloaded characteristic impedance and
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*> the value of DISTRIBUTED capacitance:
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*>
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*> Z0' = Z0/ROOT OF (1 + CL/CO)
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*>
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*> where Z0' = Loaded characteristic impedance
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*> Z0 = Unloaded (Intrinsic) characteristic impedance
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*> CL = Load capacitance/unit length
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*> C0 = Intrinsic capacitance/unit length
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*>
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*> Is there any relationship between loaded
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*> characteristic impedance, unloaded characteristic
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*> impedance and the value of LUMPED capacitance?
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*>
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*> Thanks,
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*> Chandan
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*>
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