**From:** Grossman, Brett (*[email protected]*)

**Date:** Thu Mar 15 2001 - 17:14:14 PST

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Dr. Johnson, all,

A question rather than noting any errors.

---- I erased the dissertation I was about to create, and will simplify

with:

1. I understand the derivation of [1], but where does the ln(2) come from in

expressions [2] and [3]?

2. From a first inspection it seems to me that the derivation of [3] has

selectively eliminated some of the couplings from the expression. If I was

to represent the structure as:

G1

G2 S G3

G4

Where S is the source via and G1-G4 are the four return vias. Can the G1-G2,

G2-G4, G4-G3, G3-G1 or G1-G4, G2-G3 coupling be safely omitted?

Thanks for any assistance that can be offered.

Regards,

-Brett

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L = 5.08*H*(2*ln(2*S/D)) [1]

If the return current is carried mainly on two vias

equally spaced on either side of the signal via,

where the spacing from signal via to either return via

is S and the via diameter is D:

L = 5.08*H*(1.5*ln(2*S/D) + 0.5*ln(2)) [2]

If the return current is carried mainly on four vias

equally spaced in a square pattern on four sides

of the signal via, where the spacing from signal via

to any return via is S and the via diameter is D:

L = 5.08*H*(1.25*ln(2*S/D) + 0.25*ln(2)) [3]

If the return current is carried mainly on a

coaxial return path completely encircling the signal

via, where the spacing from signal via

to the return path is S and the via diameter is D:

L = 5.08*H*(ln(2*S/D)) [4]

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