Subject: NET NOTES OCT 26 2002
From:     K1RQG 
         

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     Joe, K1RQG 


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*** GENTLEMEN.. I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF POSTING A MESSAGE FROM MOON-NET BY      ***
*** ZL1KA, INDICATING SOME DISSAPPOINTMENT ON 23CM EME. I ALSO TOOK THE TIME  ***
*** TO ADD HIM TO MY DISTRIBUTION LIST SO THAT HE MAY SEE THERE IS FAR MORE   ***
*** 23CM ACTIVITY THAN ON THE OTHER BANDS THIS WEEKEND. I HOPE YOU REGULARS   ***
*** TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE EMAILS BELOW, RESPOND TO BRENT AND OTHERS AND   ***
*** LET US ALL HELP THEM IN THERE EME ENDEAVORS. AGAIN, THIS IS SUPPORTS MY   ***
*** COMMENTS THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE MEANS OF DISSEMINATING INFORMATION.  ***
*** F5VHX HAS RESPONDED TO BRENT, ZL1KA, BUT I THINK MORE OF US SHOULD DO SO  ***
*** BRENT (ZL1KA): THESE NOTES ARE SENT TO YOU AND MANY OTHERS FROM THE 70CM  ***
*** AND ABOVE EME NET WHICH MEETS EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY ON 14.345MHZ.     ***
*** STARTS AROUND 1500Z BUT I WILL BE MORE SPECIFIC IN TOMORROWS NOTES AFTER  ***
*** TIME CHANGE. IF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE DOES NOT WANT THESE NOTES, PLEASE      ***
*** SEND MESSAGE BACK TO k1rqg@aol.com AND I WILL REMOVE YOU FROM THE LIST.   ***
*** IF YOU KNOW OF ANY STATIONS WISHING TO RECEIVE THESE NOTES, SEND ME THEIR ***
*** EMAIL ADDRESS.                                                            ***
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Al, K2UYH, editor of the 432 & Above News Letter, reminds all that the
NL is available via e-mail and the internet. You can get the NL in .pdf
or .doc format from KD4LT and also it is on the PA0ZN web site. Back
issues of the NL are also stored at PA0ZN site. 

Current and back issues of the 432 & above News Letter by K2UYH
can be found at the PA0ZN web site. This is the direct link to 
the site. Please copy and save to your favorites.
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Request your electronic mail of the NL in .pdf or .doc from KD4LT.

Latest skeds will always be on DL4EBY web page. You can find
links at the PA0ZN page through the 432 & Above EME NET NOTES.

This is a direct link to the latest skeds. Copy and save it to
your favorites.
http://www.dl4eby.de/ltskd.htm
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Joseph,

Finally got the array fixed and everything seems to be okay what witht
he new rotators and indicating system.  Still trying to work out the
bugs.  Anyway, will look for other stations.  When I pulled apart the
coax lines, water rolled out of the connectors,  we have been having a
lot, lot of rain this summer and fall.  Anyway will try and listen
tonight.  Now all I have to do it get abattery foir this computer so
that the time will stay straight.

Roger  KL7HFQ
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Subj:    JT44 Echoes on 1296
Date:   10/21/02 10:00:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   a.katz@ieee.org (Al Katz)
To:     K1rqg@aol.com (K1RQG)

Hi Joe,

I tried the new JT44 echo mode last night on 1296 and was amazed to see
my echoes with less that a watt of output power in the shack!  This was
with the moon at near apogee too.

I did observe some discrepancies in the Doppler shift indicated by the
program, but I did not read the instructions before trying it - I read
them afterwards.  Thus I did not follows Joe's instructions.  I left the
RIT box at 0 Hz and moved my receiver RIT to zero the echo frequency.  I
was interested in seeing the difference between the predicted echo
frequency and what was received.  The program automatically tries to
correct for the Doppler, so I was probably fighting with the program. 
[You are suppose to enter your RIT setting so the program can account
for it. It is suggested that you set your RIT to the Doppler shift (for
large Doppler offsets) to insure that the echoes fall within the
receiver's audio passband.  Even taking this error into account, there
still seemed to be a significant difference between the observed and
predicted echoes.  I guess I need to do some additional experimentation
using the correct procedure.  Also I found that there was a significant
difference between the Doppler shift predicted in the EME mode and that
in the Echo mode.  I don't understand this, but will check again next
time I try.

73, Al -K2UYH
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Subj:    (no subject)
Date:   10/22/02 2:32:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   rkh@alaska.net (Roger K. Hansen)
Reply-to:       rkh@alaska.net
To:     k1rqg@aol.com

It works fine,   have been hearing my echos just nice even in such bad
conditions as last night( helps to have the GMT clock set properly). 
Echos's were loud for conditions and I am pleased.  The only thing wrong
with the system is the actuator motor is noisy.  Got to get that fixed,
but what the heck, I now have a HEAVY duty electric winch to raise and
lower the antenna, and 50 foot tower its mounted on so now its a piece
of cake.  Lots of rain here and both receive line connectors were
soaked  but everything is now working just great.  If Murphy doesn't
poke his head in the door this weekend, Ill be there.

Roger  KL7HFQ

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Subj:    EME
Date:   10/23/02 3:24:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   candrus@rica.net (Cowles Andrus III)
To:     K1rqg@aol.com (K1rqg@aol.com)

File:  Rotator.zip (184293 bytes)
DL Time (28800 bps): < 2 minutes


Hi Joe,

I am planning to be QRV on 70cm this weekend for the contest. I have
been hearing my echoes OK the last couple of weeks.
I had to rebuild most of the electronics due to a lightning hit in April
and I was down for several months.
My station consists of a FT-847 Yaesu exciter, TE Systems amp driving a
Lunar Link LA-70B power amp ~ 1.5 KW into eight
33 element FO-33 type yagis. The preamp is a Cavity Type using a HEMT.

About two weekends ago, I picked up an old Scientific-Atlanta, Inc. Dish
Positioner (Turn-table type). I think this should make a fine azimuth
control for my 20 foot dish. It will handle a Maximum axial load of
10,000 Lbs.

I have got a computer on order, XP-2000 type, that should be fast enough
to run the EME version of JT-44 software. I should have it in a couple
of weeks.

73,
Cowles, K4EME

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My Home Page (under construction)
http://home.rica.net/candrus/

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Subj:    Undeliverable Email Addresses
Date:   10/22/02 10:16:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   wbutler@comcast.net (Warren Butler)
To:     K1rqg@aol.com

Hi Joe,

To reduce the susceptibility to virus attacks, spammers, etc., the 11 Oct 02
update to the email list for the 432 Mhz & Above Group was distributed with
the recipient list suppressed.  This was suggested by David, GM4JJJ.

The following addresses were undeliverable:

DJ9CZ - dj9cz@bigfoot.com
EA3ADW - ea3adw@INICIA.ES
HB9JAW - hb9jaw@uska.ch
JA2KRW - ANA08829@nifty.com
K1OYB - feeney%spf.dnet@gpo.nsc.com
K3AX - p2comm@ix.netcom.com
KM5A -smwheaton@earthlink.net
N9HF - n9hf@ticon.net
NI6G - er1k@pacbell.net
OH2DG - eino.metsamaki@linnunrata.net
SP5CJT - sp5cjt@poczta.onent.pl
VE3FAC - rstaron@aracnet.net
W7CI - wagners@hqasc.army.mil

73, Warren - W2WD

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Subj:    EME Beacon
Date:   10/24/02 12:00:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   a.katz@ieee.org (Al Katz)
To:     K1rqg@aol.com (K1RQG)

Joe,

Please pass the word that the SETI 1296 EME beacon is back in operation.
No change in format, power, etc. from before.

Also note that the new version of JT44 indicates the mutual Doppler
between stations (to other station grid) in the EME mode.  This is why I
observed a difference in the Doppler shift indicated by the EME and Echo
modes.

73, Al - K2UYH

-- 
Dr. Allen Katz, President
Linearizer Technology, Inc.
<http://www.lintech.com>

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Subj:    [Moon-Net] 1296 EME MYTH
Date:   10/26/02 9:48:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   addis.zl1ka@xtra.co.nz (BRENT ADDIS)                           @@@@@@@
Sender: Moon-net-admin@nlsa.com
To:     moon-net@nlsa.com

Hi Guys

Well here I am again sitting in the shack at 2.13 am local all full of expectation
that this time I will hear 23 cm signals off the moon.But alas not a chirp, key click 
or dickie bird was heard. I will not give up though even if my wife pronouces me mad 
for I am the intrepid ham or should I say dumb F that sits here for hours checking 
windows of opportunity and tuning the 475 back and forth between 
1296 and 1296.50. Not only does my wife reckon that I am mad but EME is some
figment of my immagination to deprive her of serious shopping money.
If only I could say come and listen to this signal off the moon, some very faint morse 
that neither of us would understand that well (my morse being as rusty as hell) I am 
sure it would impress the S out of her and redeem me.
Seriously though if I was to hear some signals this contest I would be more inclined to 
install the 700w tx gear up on the dish.I have been spot listening for two months with 
only 2 faint morse signals so I hold great hopes for more on 1296 this contest.

System here in ZL at this stage is recieve only and under test.

6.000 dish
Modified seacat missle launcher for rotation. (4.0 tons)
W2IMU feed 
DB6NT preamp NF .4db  Gain 20 db on probe
DB6NT 1296 to 144 xvter with 100 mm low loss to preamp
7/8 heliax 40.000 to shack
Transceiver is IC 275H

Results   15 db sun noise
               .75 db Sag A
              2 faint sigs off moon.

 Have a great contest guys

73,s   Brent

ZL1KA

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Subj:    [Moon-Net] UHF: s57ra qrv 6cm
Date:   10/26/02 11:00:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   pavel.reberc@guest.arnes.si (Pavel Reberc)
Sender: Moon-net-admin@nlsa.com
To:     Moon-Net@nlsa.com (MOON-NET)

Hello,
I am ready tonight (morning of 27. oct) for 5.7GHz.
my equioment is 20w and 3m dish, moon noise abt .5 db
vertical polarisation.
I heard someone at abt. 8 utc, but the moon was already too low.
So i am still looking for first s5 6cm eme qso.

i will check mail for the skeds.

73, Paul s57ra

avail. also on gsm, +386 41 751 297


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W5LUA:  worked 14 on 23cm..2 new ones on 23cm N7AM & KU4F.. 4 on 3cm 1 new one
        DJ5MN (new one) I5PTE F6KSX WA7CJO.. will be on tonight .. 

K9BCT:  not much up.. 0300z-0600z worked about about 12 last night.. condx ok..
        not much on Asian window.. looking for VKs and JAs .. only heard K0YW &
        N2IQ this morning .. will be on tonight..

W2UHI:  all stuff worked well last night.. worked 22 stations then fell asleep..
        heard W5LUA work N7AM, worked N7AM and could not find W5LUA.. hope to
        see Al tonight.. quite wx .. had snow yesterday, but all is well now..
        will be on tonight..

W1ZX:   W4TJ @ controls.. worked 19 stations.. good signals.. did miss quite a few 
        .. moon window limited to >40 degrees and less than 69 deg both East and West..
        will be on again.
        
G4RGK:  very high winds .. QRT 20 minutes into contest.. got back on this morning
        for a couple hours .. worked a few on 70cm.. wx not looking too good.. 
        If winds are down, will be on tonight.. 

F5VHX:  nothing to report.. did not get on due to high winds. not much chance to
        operate due to wx.. 

W9IIX:  worked 5 stations.. 2 Europe 3 stateside.. good evening and heard lots more.
        will be on tonight.. window is limited.. about 5 hour window.. called 
        K5GW, HB9Q, OE9XXI, & F2TU for quite a while with no response.. HB9BBD
        was real loud & G4CHH,, K5JL, KA0Y & W1ZX stateside.. 

K4EME:  was on last night .. worked 5 stations.. heavy rain .. will be be on tonight.
        found az turntable for 20' dish.. 

NA4N:   not going to be on this year.. family issues kept Greg from EME projects.
        Both parents passed away.. Our sympathies to Greg and family.. working on 
        linear and p/s.. will keep us posted on project. cables are run out to
        dish.. will use camera in begining. 

N2IQ:   all is ok.. 23cm only.. was on till 4 am.. available in West right now..
        worked 24 last night.. 

K2DH/M: just checking in..      

N4PU:   just checking in.. not much to report.. 

KU4F:   has some problems cleared up.. had noise from tube during receive.. 
        worked 22 stations last night.. still has a little moon .. wx is ok right
        now.. 

W7SZ:   missed last night .. will be on 23cm tonight.. 

KD1FR:  Gene.. ???

OK1MS:  Stan .. 

DK3WG:  no traffic.. high winds and bad wx.. short time on 70cm and no contacts.
        will not be active due to wx.. RA3LE workjed 14 stations.. new one OK1DIG
        for RA3LE..   UA3PTW was QRV.. 

DL9KR:  55 minutes into contest 70mph gust.. had to tie antenna down and fortunately
        no dammage.. wx to get worse tonight.. only 9 contacts.. 

PA3CSG: happy to report only moderate winds.. will be on moon in 1/2 hour.. 70cm 
        only. too windy for 3cm.. 

OE1AKB: Fred.. looking for friend.. OE4GIG/AM .. 

SM2CEW: cannot operate .. too windy .. might be on tonight on 23cm & 70cm.. only
        was on 2 meters for a while.. 

F6KHM:  no traffic.. very hi winds able to try for only 2 hours this morning. 
        15 QSO only ..big storm expected tonight and tomorrow.. stations is working
        well, but wx very bad. only few European stations on.. OH2PO, ON5OF, I5CTE      
        and a few others heard .. 

DJ5MN:  1 QSO on 3cm WA7CJO .. Did not complete with W5LUA.. will be on tomorrow
        for W5LUA.. 

K5JL:   congrats to W1ZX on good signal..

K0YW:   having fun on 23cm .. missed a few, but will get them tonight.. only 2 JA
        this morning.. 

K5WXN:  worked 13 sations.. no problems.. seems a little slow.. 

KM5A:   heard signals off the moon last night for the first time.. heard
        N9AB, F6KHM, K5GW for the first time. Steve is elated on hearing first
        EME signals.. only has 10w at this time.. 

WD5AGO: looking for WA4NJP .. heard Ray on 222mhz EME but did not complete.. 
        will try 0500z tonight..

WA4NJP: heard WD5AGO first time .. 

WB9CKE: Bob.. looking for EME info.. 

VE7BQH: 12:06 PM 10/26/02

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