From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 1 00:50:52 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA18193 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:50:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: "Robert Mccabe" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: ask for information Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:47:30 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <000401be63af$66549b40$aab7fed0@default> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk You can order the standards from ANSI-American National Standards Institute located in New York City. Contact them for a catalog. Howeve,r they are not cheap! W8JWK -----Original Message----- From: mohamed el sheikh To: TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group Date: Sunday, February 28, 1999 2:06 PM Subject: [ss] ask for information >I would like to know if it is possible to supply me with an information >on the IS-95 system standards for DS-SS CDMA technique and any >additional information I can have. > Thanks, > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to ss as: RMCCABE@SPRINTMAIL.COM >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org > > --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 1 12:29:47 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14840 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:29:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:27:34 -0600 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: PIC Spread Transmitter Page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <36DADC16.EA04C3C@c2-tech.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Bob, Thanks for the correction. I mispunched the calculator :-> Steve Bob Hansen wrote: > > Thanks for sharing your work Steve. > > I calculated an encoding rate of 3937 rather than 3890 bps. > (1M / 254 = 3937) > (1M / 257 = 3891) > Did I do that right, or am I misunderstanding something? > > Quoted from the web page: > =* Manchester encoding in software, at a rate of 3.89k bits per second > = (1/254th of the chip rate). Data rate is half that. > > -Bob, N2GDE > > > > Well, here it is, such that it is. The PIC DS spread spectrum > > transmitter. > > > > http://www.c2-tech.com/~steveb/ka9mva/spread.htm > > > > Have fun. > > > > 73, > > > > Steve KA9MVA > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: STEVEB@SKYMASTER.C2-TECH.COM > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org -- Steve Bragg KA9MVA Project Engineer C2 Technologies, Inc. 100 Reunion Center, on Main Mall 9 East 4th Tulsa, Oklahoma 74103 ICQ:29816109 (918) 809-8388 cell (918) 582-3635 office (918) 582-3639 fax --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 1 22:26:02 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07797 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:26:01 -0600 (CST) To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:01:22 -0800 Subject: [ss] Symphony for amatuer use ? Message-ID: References: X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,7-11 From: Tim Vaughan List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <19990301.201302.9582.0.tv@juno.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone here tried the Proxim symphony with an external directional gain antenna such as a dish or helical array ? Seems like with 100 mW it should be possible to cover 10 miles or better with a directional antenna on both ends. At $399 for the Ethernet bridge and $149 for the ISA unit it might be the best deal going for hams. Tim ( tv@juno.com ) --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Tue Mar 2 09:40:33 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08689 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:40:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: stevestrohpub@mail.strohpub.com Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:33:52 -0800 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: Steve Stroh Subject: [ss] Symphony Cordless Ethernet Bridge is Now Available! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <4.1.19990301203926.04383e80@mail.strohpub.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This graced my mailbox today. Of all the currently shipping home wireless solutions, I like Symphony the best. I think this product is a particularly elegant one and will become REAL popular quickly. I checked http://www.shopping.com for a real world price, and it wasn't yet listed. Steve Proxim is pleased to announce the availability of the Symphony Cordless Ethernet Bridge through our on-line store at http://symphony.productorder.com . The Symphony Cordless Ethernet Bridge creates a wireless connection between ISDN routers, xDSL modems, and Cable modems and Symphony-enabled PCs. The Ethernet Bridge can also be connected to a wired Ethernet hub to extend a wired network to Symphony-enabled PCs. The Symphony Cordless Ethernet Bridge has a list price of $399. Symphony Cordless Networking products allow you to quickly set up a fast, easy-to-use, wirefree network for all your desktop and laptop computers in order to share files, printers and other peripherals. And even better, Symphony networking lets all of your computers share the Internet simultaneously from anywhere around your home or small office. Now there's no need to buy additional printers or add another phone line and ISP account. Symphony Product Line ------------------------------ Cordless ISA Card - for desktop PCs Cordless PC Card - for notebook PCs Cordless Modem - stand-alone 56K V.90 modem for dial-up phone access for all Symphony-enabled computers. Cordless Ethernet Bridge - wireless connectivity to high-speed Internet access devices like ISDN, xDSL, and Cables modem. Symphony products are currently available for shipment to US addresses only. For automatic notification of availability outside the US, please sign up on our web site at: http://symphony.productorder.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo.exe?HTNAME=wwavail.htm Come by and visit our store! *********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you wish to unsubscribe to the symphonynews list, please send e-mail to "symphonynews-request@www.proxim.com" with "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. E-mail "webmaster@proxim.com" if you have general questions. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Wed Mar 10 08:47:54 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15394 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:47:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: stevestrohpub@mail.strohpub.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:31:42 -0800 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: Steve Stroh Subject: [ss] Cheap 801.11 PC Card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <4.1.19990310061925.00b39b30@mail.strohpub.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk URL for press release is http://www.webgear.com/pubrel/press14.html. Strangely, the Webgear web page doesn't mention this product in their products list. Also, no Linux support mentioned :-( Steve ----- begin press release ----- Contacts: Chris McKie McKie-Headstrom PR (408) 942-0633 chris_mckie@mhpr.com Dave Appleman WebGear, Inc. (408) 271-9888 Ext. 110 dave.appleman@webgear.com For Immediate Release WebGear Launches Aviator Pro - Redefines the Wireless Networking Market AviatorPRO(TM) Utilizes 2.4GHz Technology to Offer Unparalleled Wireless Connectivity at $125 per PC SAN JOSE, Calif., Feb. 23 /PRNewswire/ -- WebGear, the first company to deliver home wireless networking solutions today announced the launch of the WebGear AviatorPRO(TM), a corporate enterprise-class wireless local area networking solution that offers high-performance capabilities at a price point that is attractive to even the most discriminating home or small-office PC buyer. The WebGear AviatorPRO is an IEEE 802.11 compliant PCMCIA card wireless LAN solution that utilizes 2.4GHz frequency hopping, spread-spectrum technology to achieve a raw data rate of 2Mbps. Coupled with advanced compression algorithms, the AviatorPRO can deliver, depending on network configurations and file types, substantially greater data transfer rates, thus positioning the AviatorPRO as a cost-effective and highly flexible alternative to traditional tethered PC networks. "Wireless networking for everyone -- that is the WebGear vision and promise to both consumers and corporate markets," said Jerry Burns, president of WebGear. "The launch of this product, the AviatorPRO, redefines the wireless LAN market today. With more than 2Mbps data rate speeds and at $125 per PC, the AviatorPRO can compete head-to-head on a total cost of ownership comparison to any typical 10base-T wired or other wireless networks." Designed as a one-piece PCMCIA type II card, the AviatorPRO is a low-power consumption, plug-n-play, hot-swap PC Card module that allows a single user to seamlessly interchange the AviatorPRO between a notebook or desktop PC. To do this, WebGear provides an ISA-bus PCMCIA adapter card that plugs into most desktop or minitower PCs. With this modular design, WebGear is able to produce the AviatorPRO at a remarkable price point of $125 per PC, as well as allow for greater flexibility for network administrators to set-up, manage and deploy IT resources. Leading the industry drive for wireless standards, WebGear designed the AviatorPRO to be IEEE 802.11 compliant. This critical feature ensures that the AviatorPRO will work with other 802.11 FHSS wireless solutions, thus saving IT professionals the costly mistake of buying into a proprietary wireless solution. With the AviatorPRO, peer-to-peer and client/server networks can be easily created. The AviatorPRO supports Windows 95/98, Windows NT and includes standard NOS drivers for other network operating systems, such as Novell NetWare and Artisoft LANtastic. User authentication, hardware scrambling and software encryption help protect wireless data security. The AviatorPRO also features error-correction capabilities to ensure a high degree of data integrity. In a typical home or office environment, the AviatorPRO achieves a transmission range of approximately 500 feet, which includes transmission through walls, ceilings and floors. In an open-air office environment, such as those populated by office cubicles or in a warehouse, the AviatorPRO can reach up to 1,000 feet. For greater networking flexibility in larger corporate or warehouse environments where mobility is essential, WebGear provides an Access Point to accompany the AviatorPRO solution. While using an AviatorPRO PC Card, the Access Point acts as a network bridge, which provides direct, transparent access to any existing wired Ethernet LAN infrastructure. Additionally, the Access Point allows mobile users to seamlessly maintain live network connectivity while moving from one Access Point area to another. Optimized for wire-to-wireless data transfer, the Access Point is ideal for mobile users in a corporate campus, difficult-to-wire buildings, or temporary work groups that need to remain connected to a corporate network. Also, the Access Point when properly positioned can further extend the range of an AviatorPRO wireless network to up to 2,000 feet. The Access Point allows for SNMP management and includes integrated 10Base-T Ethernet compatibility. One AccessPoint supports up to 61 active users, and also uses user authentication, password protection and hardware scrambling to protect data and network resources. Pricing & Availability The AviatorPRO wireless LAN kit includes: two network PC Card AviatorPRO modules for an estimated street price of $249. An ISA Card adapter and one AviatorPRO module can also be purchased for $249. Single AviatorPRO wireless PC Card modules is also available for $124.99 each. The AviatorPRO Access Point is $499. All WebGear AviatorPRO solutions will be available in March from WebGear authorized resellers in the U.S. and Canada. Retail versions of the AviatorPRO are expected to be shipping to major PC retail outlets by April. About WebGear, Inc. WebGear Inc. is the pioneer of home and small office wireless local area networking solutions. Founded in 1996 and headquartered in San Jose, California, WebGear designs, manufactures and markets thin-client, wireless communications and networking solutions for homes and businesses that value performance, quality, price and functionality. NOTE: WebGear is a registered trademark of WebGear Incorporated. All other products, brand names or companies are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective companies. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sun Mar 14 13:08:42 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10376 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:08:41 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: "Walter Holmes" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] PCMCIA Spread Spectrum Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:07:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <199901161929.TAA29336@mary.g6phf.ampr.org> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio X-Message-Id: <001b01be6e4d$d88fea40$31988bce@walterh-armada.omnilaw.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone had any experience with the Webgear products like this link below ? The price is definitely attractive, and about $125.00 per machine. http://www.webgear.com/pubrel/press14.html Thanks, Walter K5WH@houston-intranet.com --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Wed Mar 24 08:40:21 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA04983 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:40:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: n8gnj@tapr.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:38:28 -0800 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: Steve Stroh N8GNJ Subject: [ss] Interesting SS component Cc: mangomike1@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <4.1.19990324063217.00b72150@mail.strohpub.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I cleaned this up a bit from a comment left on the TAPR site. I replied to his questions, and this is posted here with permission. I haven't heard of this component or manufacturer so I thought it was worth a mention here. Steve N8GNJ >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:39:22 -0600 >To: >From: mangomike1@yahoo.com >Subject: (Form) Comments from your Home Page from > >Name: michael D`Agostino >Callsign: KD6VCB >Email: mangomike1@yahoo.com > >Dear Sir`s, > >I am very interested in seeing Amateur Radio progress to more efficent modes >/ band usage. I understand your group has many on going projects. It appears >your group is basicaly inventing the wheel, why not utilize off the shelf components >to speed up the projects completion and delivery to the land mobile / portable >industries, unless it`s cost pohibited. > >Example a company: http://hotell.nextel.no/granjansen/ ( Gran-Jansen as. ) >located in Norway, e-mail granjan@online.no is marketting a Wirless Spread >Spectrum Network Transceiver, GJPP 400 plug in module transceiver. FYI. > --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 29 18:45:08 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id SAA29946 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:45:07 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: From: "Cureton David (NTC/MPD)" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:39:00 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <199903300042.DAA23388@ns10.nokia.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Does this mean that the source code for the FHSS radio will not be available for others to experiment with? Not even the 360 RTOS? Regards, David ---------- From: mdmiller@eaze.net To: TAPR Special Interest Group Subject: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count Date: Monday, 29 March, 1999 8:22AM At 09:53 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Steve, N7HPR wrote: >Mark, you drive a hard bargan. No, the source code is not avaiable. > >The kit was developed for amateurs and others to take advantage of a low >cost DGPS Reference Station. Proceeds from the sale of the DGPS Ref Sta >support other TAPR projects, most notibly, the FHSS Radio. I am not looking for a bargin, but am trying to roll my own DGPS reference station. I am new to programming and look for projects to advance my skills. I guess I am doing what hams used to do years ago when they made their own gear. I thought someone here might be able to help me with an area that I didn't understand. I'll find the answer somewhere else. 73 Mark Miller N5RFX --- You are currently subscribed to tacgps as: CURETON@TRSMPD01ME.NTC.NOKIA.COM To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-tacgps-5529M@lists.tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 29 19:08:33 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id TAA00922 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:08:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:05:43 -0600 (CST) From: John Koster To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" cc: tacgps@lists.tapr.org Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I think the OS is already available (but don't ask me where). There is a book (or two?) written by the origianl author (Comer?) of XINU that documents it very well. John Koster, W9DDD ====================================================================== Those who give up freedom to attain security ultimately have neither. Hint - it's a small price to pay for ____ - fill in your favorite cause. On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Cureton David (NTC/MPD) wrote: > Does this mean that the source code for the FHSS radio will not be available > for others to experiment with? Not even the 360 RTOS? > > Regards, > David > ---------- > From: mdmiller@eaze.net > To: TAPR Special Interest Group > Subject: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count > Date: Monday, 29 March, 1999 8:22AM > > At 09:53 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Steve, N7HPR wrote: > >Mark, you drive a hard bargan. No, the source code is not avaiable. > > > >The kit was developed for amateurs and others to take advantage of a low > >cost DGPS Reference Station. Proceeds from the sale of the DGPS Ref Sta > >support other TAPR projects, most notibly, the FHSS Radio. > > I am not looking for a bargin, but am trying to roll my own DGPS reference > station. I am new to programming and look for projects to advance my > skills. I guess I am doing what hams used to do years ago when they made > their own gear. I thought someone here might be able to help me with an > area that I didn't understand. I'll find the answer somewhere else. > > > 73 > Mark Miller > N5RFX > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tacgps as: CURETON@TRSMPD01ME.NTC.NOKIA.COM > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-tacgps-5529M@lists.tapr.org > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: W9DDD@TAPR.ORG > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org > > --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 29 19:20:32 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id TAA01221 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:20:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Steve Sampson" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:18:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <008901be7a4b$3629d680$87228cd1@dodge.spacewar.net> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Looking at polluted 900 - 928 MHz spectrum, and the falling prices for products in the 2.4 GHz spectrum, I think in a couple years when the TAPR radio is released, it will be too little, too late. It is a technical marvel, but by making it a Part-15 device, it can't compete in that market, where the prices will be 1/4th the cost. The STA is bound to die even before the radio is released, as the FCC has pretty much lost interest. Thus, unless the radio is redesigned for a legal hopping code, it's only an experiment, and not a marketable product. Why TAPR is making a Part-15 device instead of a Part-97 440 MHz device, would be an interesting story. The power and range that Hams want is not going to be satisfied at 900 MHz. If the FCC is moving to fix Ham radio SS, it's a state secret, because no Ham or Industry publication has mentioned the process or progress, thus, in my mind, it is a dead issue. >Does this mean that the source code for the FHSS radio will not be available >for others to experiment with? Not even the 360 RTOS? > >Regards, >David --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 29 19:44:37 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id TAA01901 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:44:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:42:06 -0600 From: Jake Janovetz To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Steve Sampson on Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 07:18:25PM -0600 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <19990329194206.A14065@tempest.ece.uiuc.edu> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This is an interesting point. So, my question is: Why doesn't TAPR spend its time developing more low-cost modular things that would allow hams to play? That is, design a nice, tight CPU board with ethernet capability. Then, add a nice, tight DSP/FPGA add-on that would allow more digital comm experimentation. Finally, a small RF section that could be redesigned for other bands/bandwidths/etc. Sure, the cost of the three combined would be a bit more (not much), but overall, the capabilities would be FAR greater. The current DSP kit is underpowered and not setup well for digital communications. There's way too much out there now in coding, modulation, demod, spread spectrum, etc. for hams not to be experimenting in these areas. Trouble is, a nice system that allows all of this isn't there... I'd be willing to help. Sounds like fun! Design them, build them up, write some code, then get someone like Downeast Microwave to get them to the people. Cheers, Jake On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 07:18:25PM -0600, Steve Sampson wrote: > Looking at polluted 900 - 928 MHz spectrum, and the falling prices > for products in the 2.4 GHz spectrum, I think in a couple years when > the TAPR radio is released, it will be too little, too late. > > It is a technical marvel, but by making it a Part-15 device, it can't > compete in that market, where the prices will be 1/4th the cost. > The STA is bound to die even before the radio is released, as > the FCC has pretty much lost interest. Thus, unless the radio is > redesigned for a legal hopping code, it's only an experiment, > and not a marketable product. Why TAPR is making a Part-15 > device instead of a Part-97 440 MHz device, would be an > interesting story. The power and range that Hams want is not > going to be satisfied at 900 MHz. > > If the FCC is moving to fix Ham radio SS, it's a state secret, > because no Ham or Industry publication has mentioned the > process or progress, thus, in my mind, it is a dead issue. > > > >Does this mean that the source code for the FHSS radio will not be > available > >for others to experiment with? Not even the 360 RTOS? > > > >Regards, > >David > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: JANOVETZ@UIUC.EDU > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org -- janovetz@uiuc.edu | Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with University of Illinois | your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, | there you long to return. -- da Vinci PP-ASEL | http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~janovetz/index.html --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 29 20:40:40 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id UAA03699 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:40:40 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:38:42 -0500 (EST) From: Howard Goldstein To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count In-Reply-To: References: X-No-Archive: yes Organization: disorganization List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <14080.14642.140404.647706@penny.south.mpcs.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Jake Janovetz writes: > greater. The current DSP kit is underpowered and not > setup well for digital communications. There's way too much > out there now in coding, modulation, demod, spread spectrum, > etc. for hams not to be experimenting in these areas. > Trouble is, a nice system that allows all of this isn't there... Aye, there's the rub: Someone has to come up with that nicer system in order for TAPR to produce it. Could that someone be you? TAPR's foremost strengths are in bringing resources to bear on volunteer projects and helping disseminate them when they've matured. I'm not sure how TAPR could direct development more aggressively than it does now (by suggesting new and interesting projects for its volunteers). Ordering the volunteers about to do uninteresting things is sure to be counterproductive. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 29 20:42:46 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id UAA03779 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:42:46 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: dewayne@mail.warpspeed.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:40:15 -0800 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: Dewayne Hendricks Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk At 19:18 -0600 3/29/99, Steve Sampson wrote: > If the FCC is moving to fix Ham radio SS, it's a state secret, > because no Ham or Industry publication has mentioned the > process or progress, thus, in my mind, it is a dead issue. Its not a dead issue. The Wireless Telecommunications Bureau (WTB) of the FCC has very few cycles these days for ham radio. Right now, the big item as far as ham radio is concerned for them is resolving the restructuring NPRM. Until the R&O comes out for that, I doubt that you will see an R&O for SS as the resources just aren't available. -- Dewayne --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 29 22:22:07 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id WAA06610 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:22:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: From: "Cureton David (NTC/MPD)" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:16:00 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <199903300419.HAA09873@ns10.nokia.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This probably should be in the SS SIG but I feel I should indicate what prompted my original question. My apologies to those who disinterested in this thread and I would recommend that all replies be sent to the SS SIG. An except for the FHSS Feb '98 update: "The project team has decided to do all development around XINU, since the full source is freely available and meets the needs of the project. As of this writing, the software group has ported the code to the CPU board and is currently testing and debugging." An except for the FHSS June '98 update: "The basic kernel is operational on the board, with the exception of the Ethernet driver module. The serial, timer, and several other modules have had to be rewritten from the ground up. It is expected the the ethernet driver may take 2 months to fully rewrite and get functional, since the manner in which the kernel handles the buffers might have to be optimized for our processor. As was discussed last issue, we have acquired a copy of XINU (a preemptive multitasking, prioritized scheduler) and a full-blown TCP/IP stack based on the design in the books by Doug Comer. We have to change the assembly modules, and port the code over from a SUN 3 workstation to the 68360 design. The total RTOS/STACK design is 630 different software code modules! Once the kernel/stack is operation, then we actually have to write the radio code. The Software Development Systems Inc (SDS) development tools have worked out very good. The tools include a Crosscode complier suite and singlestep on chip debugger." Sounds like significant work has gone into getting the XINU OS operating on the Motorola 68360 processor. Not something the average Jo would have the time to do! ---------- From: Steven R. Bible To: TAPR Special Interest Group Subject: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count Date: Tuesday, 30 March, 1999 6:18AM At 06:58 PM 3/29/99 -0600, you wrote: >I would expect the authors would be given commercial rights >to the code, so no, I doubt the Source will ever be released. > >>Does this mean that the source code for the FHSS radio will not be >available >>for others to experiment with? Not even the 360 RTOS? My goodness, this thread is getting way off... It is not TAPR policy to compel an author to withhold or give away the source code to a project. Each project is treated separately on a case-by-case basis. In the case of the FHSS, the source code is already out there! It is XINU. You can buy the Douglas Comer textbook today! Take a look at http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/osbooks.html - Steve, N7HPR n7hpr@tapr.org n7hpr@amsat.org --- You are currently subscribed to tacgps as: CURETON@TRSMPD01ME.NTC.NOKIA.COM To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-tacgps-5529M@lists.tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Mar 29 23:02:48 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id XAA07983 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:02:47 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:53:35 -0600 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: "Greg Jones, WD5IVD" Subject: [ss] Re: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk The FHSS radio code is all based on Xinu which is completely open source. If you read the FHSS web page you will note that one of the most important features of the FHSS radio is that all the code will be available from the get go. (That isn't in the project updates, Tom talks about it in the paper and in several of the audio talks.) You are correct in thinking that a LOT of work has gone into the project thus far and we still have a lot to do and we still need donations and people joining TAPR and other people buying things in order to conitune its developement as well as many other reallt next projects. While the FHSS code isn't available now, because it isn't finished, but when it is -- you guys can just beat the hell out of it all you want. Cheers - Greg Jones, WD5IVD President TAPR >I would expect the authors would be given commercial rights >to the code, so no, I doubt the Source will ever be released. > >>Does this mean that the source code for the FHSS radio will not be >available >>for others to experiment with? Not even the 360 RTOS? >> >>Regards, >>David > > > ----- Greg Jones, WD5IVD Austin, Texas wd5ivd@tapr.org http://www.tapr.org/~wd5ivd --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Tue Mar 30 09:18:52 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id JAA10840 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:18:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:16:15 -0600 From: Jake Janovetz To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Cureton David (NTC/MPD) on Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 07:16:00AM +0300 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <19990330091615.A18069@tempest.ece.uiuc.edu> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk This should be forwarded to the porting squad. Sometime ago, I recommended the use of RTEMS for the RTOS on this device since it has been working on the 360 platform for some time. You may want to download the source code for rtems-4.0.0 from www.oarcorp.com. In the gen68360 board support package, the ethernet driver for the 68360 is included. It may help in the port. All in all, I would guess it would take about 2 weeks to get RTEMS hopping on this device. That sounds better than 2 months to me... I'm running on a 68360 device now. Point your web browser to dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu (that's RTEMS). Cheers, Jake On Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 07:16:00AM +0300, Cureton David (NTC/MPD) wrote: > This probably should be in the SS SIG but I feel I should indicate what > prompted my original question. My apologies to those who disinterested in > this thread and I would recommend that all replies be sent to the SS SIG. > > An except for the FHSS Feb '98 update: > > "The project team has decided to do all development around XINU, since the > full source is freely available and meets the needs of the project. As of > this writing, the software group has ported the code to the CPU board and is > currently testing and debugging." > > > An except for the FHSS June '98 update: > > "The basic kernel is operational on the board, with the exception of the > Ethernet driver module. The serial, timer, and several other modules have > had to be rewritten from the > ground up. It is expected the the ethernet driver may take 2 months to fully > rewrite and get functional, since the manner in which the kernel handles the > buffers might have to be > optimized for our processor. As was discussed last issue, we have acquired a > copy of XINU (a preemptive multitasking, prioritized scheduler) and a > full-blown TCP/IP stack > based on the design in the books by Doug Comer. We have to change the > assembly modules, and port the code over from a SUN 3 workstation to the > 68360 design. The total > RTOS/STACK design is 630 different software code modules! Once the > kernel/stack is operation, then we actually have to write the radio code. > The Software Development > Systems Inc (SDS) development tools have worked out very good. The tools > include a Crosscode complier suite and singlestep on chip debugger." > > Sounds like significant work has gone into getting the XINU OS operating on > the Motorola 68360 processor. Not something the average Jo would have the > time to do! > > > > > > ---------- > From: Steven R. Bible > To: TAPR Special Interest Group > Subject: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count > Date: Tuesday, 30 March, 1999 6:18AM > > At 06:58 PM 3/29/99 -0600, you wrote: > >I would expect the authors would be given commercial rights > >to the code, so no, I doubt the Source will ever be released. > > > >>Does this mean that the source code for the FHSS radio will not be > >available > >>for others to experiment with? Not even the 360 RTOS? > > > My goodness, this thread is getting way off... > > It is not TAPR policy to compel an author to withhold or give away the > source code to a project. Each project is treated separately on a > case-by-case basis. > > In the case of the FHSS, the source code is already out there! It is XINU. > You can buy the Douglas Comer textbook today! Take a look at > > http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/osbooks.html > > > - Steve, N7HPR > n7hpr@tapr.org > n7hpr@amsat.org > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tacgps as: CURETON@TRSMPD01ME.NTC.NOKIA.COM > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-tacgps-5529M@lists.tapr.org > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: JANOVETZ@UIUC.EDU > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org -- janovetz@uiuc.edu | Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with University of Illinois | your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, | there you long to return. -- da Vinci PP-ASEL | http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~janovetz/index.html --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Tue Mar 30 09:53:39 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id JAA12001 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:53:39 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:45:04 -0600 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: "Greg Jones, WD5IVD" Subject: [ss] Re: [tacgps] RE: Modified Z-Count List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >At 05:18 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Steve, N7HPR wrote: >>Not really knowing what you guys are up to, and hazarding beating a dead >>horse... >> >>The TAPR DGPS Ref Station already does the things you guys mention above. >>It takes the Motorola binary and converts it to RTCM Type 1 message. > >Yes Steve, I am familiar with the TAPR kit for $179.00. Does that include a >copy of the source code for the PIC? Hi Mark. The code for the DGPS project is not available. Steve Bible, N7HPR, author of the code and designer of the DGPS along with Doug McKinney, allows TAPR to use the code in the DGPS kit that TAPR makes available. Steve hasn't released his DGPS code because he has also been pursuing commercial avenues with his project. I think someone has already commented about software release for TAPR projects. They are on a case by case basis. They have to be these days. I feel very strongly that when an author or designer approaches TAPR we want to ensure that we don't limit their future commercial possibilities, but on the other hand we want to make sure that the TAPR membership can benefit and also contribute back to whatever is brought to the organization to do. The key to this is usually trying to represent the amateur radio/educational markets for the author or designer that comes to TAPR with a project for us to do. The key issue for TAPR is one of trying to make things available to the amateur radio, educational, experimental communities. This sometimes means to do so that the code from the author remains closed until the author feel that it could be released. As with the FHSS radio project, DSP-93, and PIC-E, and several other TAPR projects the majority of the code is made available that allows the user to build their own modules or whatever from the code released. The example that most people don't know is the TNC-2. TAPR never owned the license to the AX.25 code and interface running in the TNC-2. The author was kind enough to give TAPR a free use license since it was a joint effort to develop the hardware and software. TAPR then benefited from being able to license the executable along with the hardware when a commercial interest showed. This partnership generated whatever knows to do as packet radio. MFJ, AEA, PacComm, and many other benefited from the ability to license hardware and firmware from TAPR, but then be able to hire the author as a consultant to enhance their product. TAPR made money selling the license and making royalities (before 1989 now) and the author developed a commercial channel for his development. Also, the amateur radio community benefited. While in a perfect world it would be great to release all code to everyone, authors have to make the decision individually if doing so risks any potential commercial profit from their hard work. This decision has to be balanced one. By releasing into the amateur community the authors in many cases can be greatly assisted in both technical feedback and testing as well as introducing their work to a big cross section of potential customers later in a commercial venture. It is my job and others in TAPR to work with new projects when they appear and try to determine what the best approach is for getting the technology into the organization while at the same time making the author happy with future possibilities. Anyway, I hope that this shares a little of the daily juggling I have to do at TAPR to bring interesting kits and projects to the membership and the amateur community at large. It isn't a perfect world, so we just have to make do with what we have and enjoy what is in front of us. Cheers - Greg Jones, WD5IVD President TAPR ----- Greg Jones, WD5IVD Austin, Texas wd5ivd@tapr.org http://www.tapr.org/~wd5ivd --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Tue Mar 30 10:08:08 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id KAA12692 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:08:08 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:04:11 -0600 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: "Greg Jones, WD5IVD" Subject: [ss] Why XINU on the TAPR FHSS (was Re: tacgps thread) List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: ; from Cureton David (NTC/MPD) on Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 07:16:00AM +0300 Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jake. We are aware of your project and thanks for the offer. We hope to have the digital board (CPU) available by itself sometime in the future for members to experiment with the Xinu package and I your offer of RTEMS would also be an excellent package for the members to experiment with on the digital board. Hopefully we get that made available when the digital board becomes available ? As to the Xinu question. Here is the long answer that drove the selection of what we are doing. This made a year ago and we have 8 months of development invested, so switching now doesn't make a lot of sense. The OS itself is not what is taking the most time. Interfaceing the RF to the digital board, selecting hopping codes, proving the modem design, testing the Harris chip, and other difficult design decisions and choices are the slow boat now. Xinu at this time has been full operational on the board since the first of the year. Anyway -- why Xinu 1. The selected OS has to be completely license-unrestricted. XINU meets the requirement. Later versions of XINU only restrict that we cannot publish the source code as a book, previous ones (including the version we started from) do not even have that restriction. This will allow us to publish and document the source without any problems. 2. The OS has to work well and reliably. XINU has good reputation, our ported version seems to be working very well. 3. Documentation. Since we will be opening the source to all to extend / enhance our development, good documentation on the kernel and the stack is very useful for helping people get up to speed. XINU is really good in terms of documentation. There are at least two books currently in print on it and we are expecting to publish CD that describe the entire radio and source for developers. --- The issue is not code development. The main issues in front of us deals with the RF board and integraing the Digital and RF board together to accomplish the mission of the project. I am happy that there are plenty of software studs on the list waiting in the wings to help, but at this time the software isn't the issue. When the CPU board is made available and the information on how to access the FPGA to control the RF section and all that other stuff is available, then I hope we see other platforms ported to the system that give amateurs choices in their controller options for radio usage. Cheers - Greg Jones, WD5IVD >This should be forwarded to the porting squad. > >Sometime ago, I recommended the use of RTEMS for the RTOS on >this device since it has been working on the 360 platform for >some time. You may want to download the source code for >rtems-4.0.0 from www.oarcorp.com. In the gen68360 board support >package, the ethernet driver for the 68360 is included. It >may help in the port. > >All in all, I would guess it would take about 2 weeks to get >RTEMS hopping on this device. That sounds better than 2 months >to me... I'm running on a 68360 device now. Point your >web browser to dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu (that's RTEMS). > > Cheers, > Jake > > ----- Greg Jones, WD5IVD Austin, Texas wd5ivd@tapr.org http://www.tapr.org/~wd5ivd --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Tue Mar 30 14:28:42 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA21174 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:28:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:26:20 -0700 (MST) From: Bob Nielsen X-Sender: nielsen@bob.localnet To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: [tacgps] RE: Modified Z-Count In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Greg Jones, WD5IVD wrote: > While in a perfect world it would be great to release all code to everyone, > authors have to make the decision individually if doing so risks any > potential commercial profit from their hard work. > > This decision has to be balanced one. By releasing into the amateur > community the authors in many cases can be greatly assisted in both > technical feedback and testing as well as introducing their work to a big > cross section of potential customers later in a commercial venture. It is > my job and others in TAPR to work with new projects when they appear and > try to determine what the best approach is for getting the technology into > the organization while at the same time making the author happy with future > possibilities. > One thing that many authors don't seem to realize is that releasing source code does not mean that the author loses the ability to gain financially from their work. See http://www.fsf.org and http://www.opensource.org for some strong arguments in favor (there is not a consensus on how this should be done and currently some infighting among the adherents). Bob ---- Bob Nielsen Internet: nielsen@primenet.com Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: w6swe@w6swe.ampr.org DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Wed Mar 31 05:03:52 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id FAA05762 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:03:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: From: "Steve Sampson" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:01:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <003b01be7b65$de461200$87228cd1@dodge.spacewar.net> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk If you need a better Web site, I can provide you with one. I tried the web site: http://www.oarcorp.com and there is no web page there. Maybe the site crashed, or they went out of business. I also tried the: http://dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu And it has some selections on the left, but none of them work. Overview is a broken link, Receiver Control Panel says: class RxCtrl not found Steve, K5OKC Oklahoma City -----Original Message----- From: Jake Janovetz To: TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 9:18 AM Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count >This should be forwarded to the porting squad. > >Sometime ago, I recommended the use of RTEMS for the RTOS on >this device since it has been working on the 360 platform for >some time. You may want to download the source code for >rtems-4.0.0 from www.oarcorp.com. In the gen68360 board support >package, the ethernet driver for the 68360 is included. It >may help in the port. > >All in all, I would guess it would take about 2 weeks to get >RTEMS hopping on this device. That sounds better than 2 months >to me... I'm running on a 68360 device now. Point your >web browser to dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu (that's RTEMS). > > Cheers, > Jake --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Wed Mar 31 07:26:43 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id HAA09336 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:26:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:24:19 -0600 From: Jake Janovetz To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Steve Sampson on Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 05:01:45AM -0600 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <19990331072419.B21770@tempest.ece.uiuc.edu> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Steve, www.oarcorp.com is down from here, as well. I'm not sure why they are down right now. I'm sure it's only temporary. (they haven't gone out of business yet!) As for dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu, that's my experimental box. It goes up and down during the day as I play with things. It's content is slim (the overview is about it...) Overview is not a broken link for me. The RxCtrl panel is certainly a broken link (I need to place the Java there when I want to run it -- it changes daily). Can you try dcomm0 again? I haven't rebooted for several days now and it's working fine for me. Cheers, Jake On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 05:01:45AM -0600, Steve Sampson wrote: > If you need a better Web site, I can provide you with one. > > I tried the web site: > > http://www.oarcorp.com > > and there is no web page there. Maybe the site crashed, > or they went out of business. I also tried the: > > http://dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu > > And it has some selections on the left, but none of them > work. Overview is a broken link, Receiver Control Panel > says: > > class RxCtrl not found > > Steve, K5OKC > Oklahoma City > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jake Janovetz > To: TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 9:18 AM > Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count > > > >This should be forwarded to the porting squad. > > > >Sometime ago, I recommended the use of RTEMS for the RTOS on > >this device since it has been working on the 360 platform for > >some time. You may want to download the source code for > >rtems-4.0.0 from www.oarcorp.com. In the gen68360 board support > >package, the ethernet driver for the 68360 is included. It > >may help in the port. > > > >All in all, I would guess it would take about 2 weeks to get > >RTEMS hopping on this device. That sounds better than 2 months > >to me... I'm running on a 68360 device now. Point your > >web browser to dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu (that's RTEMS). > > > > Cheers, > > Jake > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: JANOVETZ@UIUC.EDU > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org -- janovetz@uiuc.edu | Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with University of Illinois | your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, | there you long to return. -- da Vinci PP-ASEL | http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~janovetz/index.html --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Wed Mar 31 07:32:44 1999 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.9) with SMTP id HAA09526 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:32:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:29:55 -0600 From: Jake Janovetz To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Jake Janovetz on Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 07:24:19AM -0600 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <19990331072955.A22619@tempest.ece.uiuc.edu> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Sorry, this wasn't supposed to show up here.... Cheers, Jake On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 07:24:19AM -0600, Jake Janovetz wrote: > Steve, > > www.oarcorp.com is down from here, as well. I'm not sure > why they are down right now. I'm sure it's only temporary. > (they haven't gone out of business yet!) > > As for dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu, that's my experimental box. > It goes up and down during the day as I play with things. > It's content is slim (the overview is about it...) Overview > is not a broken link for me. The RxCtrl panel is certainly > a broken link (I need to place the Java there when I want to > run it -- it changes daily). > > Can you try dcomm0 again? I haven't rebooted for several > days now and it's working fine for me. > > > Cheers, > Jake > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 05:01:45AM -0600, Steve Sampson wrote: > > If you need a better Web site, I can provide you with one. > > > > I tried the web site: > > > > http://www.oarcorp.com > > > > and there is no web page there. Maybe the site crashed, > > or they went out of business. I also tried the: > > > > http://dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu > > > > And it has some selections on the left, but none of them > > work. Overview is a broken link, Receiver Control Panel > > says: > > > > class RxCtrl not found > > > > Steve, K5OKC > > Oklahoma City > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jake Janovetz > > To: TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group > > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 9:18 AM > > Subject: [ss] RE: [tacgps] Re: Modified Z-Count > > > > > > >This should be forwarded to the porting squad. > > > > > >Sometime ago, I recommended the use of RTEMS for the RTOS on > > >this device since it has been working on the 360 platform for > > >some time. You may want to download the source code for > > >rtems-4.0.0 from www.oarcorp.com. In the gen68360 board support > > >package, the ethernet driver for the 68360 is included. It > > >may help in the port. > > > > > >All in all, I would guess it would take about 2 weeks to get > > >RTEMS hopping on this device. That sounds better than 2 months > > >to me... I'm running on a 68360 device now. Point your > > >web browser to dcomm0.ece.uiuc.edu (that's RTEMS). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Jake > > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to ss as: JANOVETZ@UIUC.EDU > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org > > -- > janovetz@uiuc.edu | Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with > University of Illinois | your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, > | there you long to return. -- da Vinci > PP-ASEL | http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~janovetz/index.html > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: JANOVETZ@UIUC.EDU > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org -- janovetz@uiuc.edu | Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with University of Illinois | your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, | there you long to return. -- da Vinci PP-ASEL | http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~janovetz/index.html --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org