From wd5ivd@tapr.org Mon Jan 05 01:16:45 1998 Received: from [206.138.226.65] (dto02-4.ppp.iadfw.net [206.138.226.69]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id BAA25526 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:16:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:33:26 -0600 To: " Spread Spectrum " From: "Greg Jones, WD5IVD" Subject: Updated TAPR FHSS Radio Project web page I just updated the TAPR FHSS Radio Project web page (http://www.tapr.org/ss) to include some photos from our meeting this past weekend on Jan 2 and 3. As of the meeting the CPU is operational and the memory (RAM and Flash) is now being worked on and tested. In addition, progress is being made on the RF board. You can see some photos of the VCOs operating. Cheers - Greg ----- Greg Jones, WD5IVD Austin, Texas wd5ivd@tapr.org http://www.tapr.org/~wd5ivd From rdcole@mindspring.com Mon Jan 05 02:12:03 1998 Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id CAA29027 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:12:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from rdcole.mindspring.com (ip186.fort-worth.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.197.186]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA17899 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:12:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000601bd19b1$5e1b5fc0$bac50b26@rdcole.mindspring.com> From: "Ron Cole" To: Subject: Band Crowding Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:10:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I know that FHSS Radios are suposed to adapt to changing conditions but how do they whey perform in a really crowded enviroment. Like say Seattle, Wa. Where their is an operating 915 Mhz FHSS WAN system using neighorbhood digiperates to create a Mesh Network covering Seattle Redmond Area. I just can't remember the name of the system. I just read an article on it in Last Months Linux Journal. When I was out their I remember that the Radio/Modem was more than a modem but still under $200. Ron Cole N5HYH -----Original Message----- From: Greg Jones, WD5IVD To: ss@tapr.org Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:58 AM Subject: [SS:1900] Updated TAPR FHSS Radio Project web page >I just updated the TAPR FHSS Radio Project web page >(http://www.tapr.org/ss) to include some photos from our meeting this past >weekend on Jan 2 and 3. > >As of the meeting the CPU is operational and the memory (RAM and Flash) is >now being worked on and tested. In addition, progress is being made on the >RF board. You can see some photos of the VCOs operating. > >Cheers - Greg > >----- >Greg Jones, WD5IVD >Austin, Texas >wd5ivd@tapr.org >http://www.tapr.org/~wd5ivd > > From bad@uhf.wireless.net Mon Jan 05 07:47:15 1998 Received: from eharden.com (eharden.com [207.193.60.129]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA04126 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:47:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from uhf.wireless.net (pp1.eharden.com [207.193.60.147]) by eharden.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01200 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:47:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wireless.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA00491 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:54:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:54:31 -0600 (CST) From: Bernie Doehner To: ss@tapr.org Subject: Re: [SS:1901] Band Crowding In-Reply-To: <000601bd19b1$5e1b5fc0$bac50b26@rdcole.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ricochet? On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Ron Cole wrote: > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:16:06 -0600 (CST) > From: Ron Cole > Reply-To: ss@tapr.org > To: ss@tapr.org > Subject: [SS:1901] Band Crowding > > I know that FHSS Radios are suposed to adapt to changing conditions but how > do they whey perform in a really crowded enviroment. Like say Seattle, Wa. > Where their is an operating 915 Mhz FHSS WAN system using neighorbhood > digiperates to create a Mesh Network covering Seattle Redmond Area. > > I just can't remember the name of the system. I just read an article on it > in Last Months Linux Journal. When I was out their I remember that the > Radio/Modem was more than a modem but still under $200. > > Ron Cole > N5HYH > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Jones, WD5IVD > To: ss@tapr.org > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:58 AM > Subject: [SS:1900] Updated TAPR FHSS Radio Project web page > > > >I just updated the TAPR FHSS Radio Project web page > >(http://www.tapr.org/ss) to include some photos from our meeting this past > >weekend on Jan 2 and 3. > > > >As of the meeting the CPU is operational and the memory (RAM and Flash) is > >now being worked on and tested. In addition, progress is being made on the > >RF board. You can see some photos of the VCOs operating. > > > >Cheers - Greg > > > >----- > >Greg Jones, WD5IVD > >Austin, Texas > >wd5ivd@tapr.org > >http://www.tapr.org/~wd5ivd > > > > > > From n8gnj@tapr.org Mon Jan 05 08:50:42 1998 Received: from rgate.metricom.com (rgate.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA06930 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:50:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from igor.strohpub.ricochet.net (mg-20425425-66.ricochet.net [204.254.25.66]) by rgate.metricom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA04487 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:54:55 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980105070111.007f7330@tapr.org> X-Sender: n8gnj@tapr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 07:01:11 -0800 To: ss@tapr.org From: Steve Stroh N8GNJ Subject: Re: [SS:1901] Band Crowding In-Reply-To: <000601bd19b1$5e1b5fc0$bac50b26@rdcole.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From all accounts, the TAPR FHSS radio should interoperate well with the Ricochet FHSS networks that are operational in the Seattle, Washington DC, and San Francisco areas. Different FHSS systems seem, to me, particularly compatible because as long as they don't "land" on the same frequency when hopping, they "don't even know" the other system is "there". Several folks I've talked to have had several different SS systems operating in close proximity with no adverse effects. Bottom line- we're eager to test the TAPR FHSS radio in the Seattle area, but we don't expect too much adverse reaction from the Ricochet system operating there. (At least I HOPE not... my Ricochet modem is operating a few feet from me and is my home's sole link to the Internet.) On Ricochet pricing. The "reasonable" prices are somewhat misleading- if you buy a unit without Ricochet service, the price is much higher. The Ricochet SE modem is $400+, if memory serves. Steve N8GNJ At 02:16 1/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >I know that FHSS Radios are suposed to adapt to changing conditions but how >do they whey perform in a really crowded enviroment. Like say Seattle, Wa. >Where their is an operating 915 Mhz FHSS WAN system using neighorbhood >digiperates to create a Mesh Network covering Seattle Redmond Area. > >I just can't remember the name of the system. I just read an article on it >in Last Months Linux Journal. When I was out their I remember that the >Radio/Modem was more than a modem but still under $200. > >Ron Cole >N5HYH > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg Jones, WD5IVD >To: ss@tapr.org >Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:58 AM >Subject: [SS:1900] Updated TAPR FHSS Radio Project web page > > >>I just updated the TAPR FHSS Radio Project web page >>(http://www.tapr.org/ss) to include some photos from our meeting this past >>weekend on Jan 2 and 3. >> >>As of the meeting the CPU is operational and the memory (RAM and Flash) is >>now being worked on and tested. In addition, progress is being made on the >>RF board. You can see some photos of the VCOs operating. >> >>Cheers - Greg >> >>----- >>Greg Jones, WD5IVD >>Austin, Texas >>wd5ivd@tapr.org >>http://www.tapr.org/~wd5ivd >> >> > > > -- Steve Stroh N8GNJ n8gnj@tapr.org From karn@qualcomm.com Mon Jan 05 17:29:18 1998 Received: from laptop.ka9q.ampr.org (dhcp-874980095.qualcomm.com [129.46.101.74]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id RAA17088 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:29:16 -0600 (CST) Received: by laptop.ka9q.ampr.org id m0xpJGC-000HUCC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:36:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:36:32 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Karn To: ss@tapr.org CC: karn@servo.qualcomm.com In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19980105070111.007f7330@tapr.org> (message from Steve Stroh N8GNJ on Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:55:09 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: [SS:1903] Re: Band Crowding >From all accounts, the TAPR FHSS radio should interoperate well with the >Ricochet FHSS networks that are operational in the Seattle, Washington DC, I assume you mean "coexist", not "interoperate". The latter term implies that the TAPR and Metricom radios should actually talk to each other. I don't think that's what you meant. Phil From n8gnj@tapr.org Mon Jan 05 20:59:49 1998 Received: from rgate.metricom.com (rgate.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id UAA03711 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:59:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from igor.strohpub.ricochet.net (mg-20425425-66.ricochet.net [204.254.25.66]) by rgate.metricom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20340 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:03:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980105191019.00816290@tapr.org> X-Sender: n8gnj@tapr.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:10:19 -0800 To: ss@tapr.org From: Steve Stroh N8GNJ Subject: Re: [SS:1904] Re: Band Crowding In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oops... Phil is correct- I did indeed mean coexist, not interoperate. Thanks, Phil! Steve N8GNJ At 17:29 1/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >>From all accounts, the TAPR FHSS radio should interoperate well with the >>Ricochet FHSS networks that are operational in the Seattle, Washington DC, > >I assume you mean "coexist", not "interoperate". The latter term implies >that the TAPR and Metricom radios should actually talk to each other. >I don't think that's what you meant. > >Phil > > > From vk2tds@ozemail.com.au Wed Jan 07 02:53:56 1998 Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (oznet07.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.122]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id CAA28103 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:53:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from ozemail.com.au (slsyd22p14.ozemail.com.au [203.108.24.154]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA23797 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:53:49 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <34B34144.18F1FA80@ozemail.com.au> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:48:06 +1100 From: Darryl Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ss@tapr.org Subject: RE: Protocols for SS Networks? References: <199801060937.DAA21547@tapr.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms9D1A2401F3A340EA814414F0" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms9D1A2401F3A340EA814414F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there... When I was at the DCC I was a bit dissapointed at the protocols proposed for the TAPR SS data radio. I know that this is only going to be release one and all that; but I would like to work on something better. What I have in mind is a distributed network with a lot of these radios acting as masters talking to others - Sort of like what is happening with packet radio at the time. Does anyone have any ideas on protocols for such a design - apart from modifying RSPF and combining it with slotted aloha.. 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diamante.netwk.ntt-at.co.jp (8.7.3+2.6Wbeta5/19960205) id CAA23089; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:39:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:39:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199801101739.CAA23089@diamante.netwk.ntt-at.co.jp> To: ss@tapr.org Subject: Re: [SS:1906] RE: Protocols for SS Networks? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:57:36 -0600 (CST). <34B34144.18F1FA80@ozemail.com.au> From: noriton@netwk.ntt-at.co.jp (Norito NEMOTO) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.19] 1995-07/21(Fri) at <34B34144.18F1FA80@ozemail.com.au> vk2tds@ozemail.com.au wrote >> Hi there... >> When I was at the DCC I was a bit dissapointed at the protocols proposed for the >> TAPR SS data radio. I know that this is only going to be release one and all that; >> but I would like to work on something better. >> >> What I have in mind is a distributed network with a lot of these radios acting as >> masters talking to others - Sort of like what is happening with packet radio at >> the time. Umm I (maybe many people) needed several point for packet radio! Speed: about physical 800kbps and up (PtoP 100kbps up) Useability: evrybody use system easy. BBS, chat, APRS, and TCP/IP (ex. BBS user need set only callsign, IP user set callsign and IP address) and power-on soon use >> Does anyone have any ideas on protocols for such a design - apart from modifying >> RSPF and combining it with slotted aloha.. I think difficult to use RSPF. We must use Other routing protocol. 3rd layer exchange by CALLSIGN, (because consider no-IP user) not use completely path, use pop by pop routing (radio link status and topology often changed ) choice small deley time path, not shortest (shortest path is not always best) all station same system(if there is base, who become base? who decide it?) and think 800kbps MSK or 808kbps SS physical modem (faster is better) hardware Vitabi FEC used MACA, canceled hidden terminal. >> Any help would be apprciated >> Darryl VK2TDS We made 808kbps wide area link system at 2.4GHz SS (alredy report 20km transfar). Please expect next DCC, we are going to attend DCC meeting with many paper;-) Of course, we welcome to discuss about this proposal. Norito JH1FBM ------------------------------------------------- o o Norito Nemoto / JH1FBM Nakano-city, Tokyo,Japan \_(((_/ / \ Packet Radio User's Group / PRUG96 project ___/ n n \__ in charge of FEC chip, MACA, and FBPASS. ( o ) \__ __/_ E-mail noriton@netwk.ntt-at.co.jp \ ^ ^ ^ \_/ | WWW http://www.nemoto.com/ \ ^ ^ ( Network Applique'tion Laboratory Mascot "TOCKALI kun" \______/\_|