From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sat Apr 6 03:48:43 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id DAA24929 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 03:48:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:47:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: From: rv9j@virgilio.it Subject: [ss] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Please=20stop=20it=20=21=21=21?= To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <3C98237C0001B693@ims2b.cp.tin.it> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tapr.org id DAA24929 It's since some days that I receive into my mail "SUSPECTED EXECUTABLE FILES" (Virus????)from this address Roy_R@NSTI.TEC.TN.US written in the ss list. 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See: www.wseas.org and click FEEDBACK * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * You receive the WSEAS newsletter from your Email account: [Email] If you want to unsubscribe: www.wseas.org/unsubscribe.htm Best Regards WSEAS From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Tue Apr 9 17:28:16 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id RAA03505 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:28:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:17:11 -0400 From: "John R. Ackermann" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] 2002 Digital BASH at Dayton Hamvention Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <77763538.1018376231@[192.168.1.26]> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Going to the Dayton Hamvention? Then plan to attend the annual Digital*BASH sponsored by TAPR and the Miami Valley FM Association to be held on Friday, May 17, 2002! For reservations, please contact the TAPR office as described below. ---- What? An event for the digitally-inclined ham, featuring: * Buffet dinner (Prime Rib, Chicken, and Pasta) * Keynote Address (Speaker to be named) * TAPR special interest group meetings * "Birds of a Feather" gatherings When? Friday evening, May 17, 2002 Doors open at 7:00 pm; dinner served at 7:30 pm Speaker and meetings after dinner Where? Kohler's Banquet Center, 4548 Presidential Way, Kettering (39 40.75N, 84 08.43W), about 6 miles SE of downtown Dayton -- just off of East David Road. Detailed directions and maps are available on the TAPR web site (http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/Fdayton.maps.html) or at the TAPR booth. How? Dinner requires advance registration and payment through TAPR. Tickets will be available at the TAPR booth on Friday, though we strongly encourage registration Hamvention. The cost is $25.00 per person, tax and tip included. All amateurs are welcome to attend, enjoy the speaker, and particpate in the meetings, although only those purchasing a dinner can eat. To register, contact: PACK*BASH c/o TAPR 8987-309 E. Tanque Verde Road #337 Tucson, AZ 85749-9399 Phone: 972-671-TAPR (8277) Fax: 972-671-8716 Internet: tapr@tapr.org Visa/Mastercard Accepted Who? PACK*BASH is co-sponsored by TAPR -- Tucson Amateur Packet Radio, the national leader in digital communication -- and the Miami Valley FM Association, Dayton's packet radio club. For more information (including maps), go to http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/dayton.html#packetbash, or send email to tapr@tapr.org. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sat Apr 13 11:40:13 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA19741 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:40:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:38:28 -0500 Message-Id: X-Sender: kb9mwr@yahoo.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: Steve Lampereur Subject: [ss] The Big Gotcha Cc: n8gnj@cq-amateur-radio.com List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <200204131638.g3DGcR029533@faulkner.netnet.net> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk In the April 2002 issue of CQ Amateur Radio Steve Stroh, N8GNJ wrote in his Digital Wireless column.... >The Big Gotcha > >Modifying a Part 15 Device, even attaching external antennas, is a violation >of FCC Part 15 rules. A Part 15 certification is for the system, not just >the "radio." Modifications void the "implied license for this device to >transmit." He implies the *only* way around this is to re-classify under Part 97, as we are allowed to make such modifications... >>Equipment that has been certified for use in another service may be used >>on amateur frequencies by a licensed amateur as long as it meets all >>appropriate standards. (97.315) I wish this was the case Steve. In your through reading of FCC rules, you failed to read all the pertaining sections. When dealing with any Part 15 device not only do you need to read 15.247, but also parts 15.205, 15.209 and 15.247. So I hope this was just an oversite on your part. Here is the Part 15 loop hole: >Section 15.23. "Equipment authorization is not required for devices that >are not marketed, are not constructed from a kit, and are built in >quantities of five or less for personal use." Using Part 15 Devices for Amateur Radio: http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/plan.html --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sat Apr 13 13:07:18 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA24811 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:07:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:06:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Lorenzini To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: The Big Gotcha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I'm using a pair of rangelan2 units and was wondering if anyone had edited their firmware to the VK area code themself for part 97 use. Bob wd6dod --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sat Apr 13 13:15:57 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA25132 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:15:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:14:04 -0500 Message-Id: X-Sender: kb9mwr@yahoo.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: Steve Lampereur Subject: [ss] The Big Gotcha (2) Cc: ss@lists.tapr.org List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <200204131814.g3DIE4019031@faulkner.netnet.net> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk In the April 2002 issue of CQ Amateur Radio Steve Stroh, N8GNJ wrote in his Digital Wireless column.... "if you are able to modify the device in such a way that transmissions are restricted to the amateur radio segment of the 2,4 GHz band...." "Since Lynksys has not, and likely will not, release detailed enough information to be able to make such a change, "pure" amateur radio use of this device dosen't seem likely..." Now I don't think the other one was an oversight. And you wonder why I have lost confidence in TAPR.. Get it right, there is nothing worse than misleading hams. The Linksys WAP 11 is a DSSS 802.11b device. All 802.11b devices have 11 *user* settable channels, the first 6 channels have complete amateur overlap. See: http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/dssfreq.html Maybe your windows driver dosen't let you "lock" onto one particular channel. Try a different 802.11b driver (they should be interchangeable) under Linux you can set the channel using "iwconfig" or equivelent. Using Part 15 Wireless Ethernet Devices for Amateur Radio: http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/plan.html --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sat Apr 13 14:19:15 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id OAA29182 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:19:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Steve Stroh" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: The Big Gotcha (2) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:18:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk (Same reply as posted to NetSIG) Steve: I'll concede your two stated, and two implied points: 1) I had overlooked the "under five" provisions in the Part 15 rules. 2) I should have been more diligent in my writing and discussed the overlap between Amateur allocation in 2.4 and Amateur use. 3) I should have looked over the materials posted that you cited, but I didn't 4) A better job can be done. I'm not infallible (and don't claim to be) nor am I omnipotent (and don't claim to be). I made a mistake, and will endeavor to correct it at the next opportunity, citing your comments and your supporting information. As to your confidence in TAPR... TAPR isn't "them". TAPR is what we hams, collectively, choose make of it. TAPR is a tool, an enabling organization for doing interesting things in Amateur Radio that can't or won't get accomplished by purely commercial, or purely grass-roots efforts. TAPR is that middle ground that can put kits together (and afford to buy parts and keep them in stock as kits, waiting for orders), take credit card orders, publish books, produce quantities of CD's, offer high-bandwidth web space and mailing list services, and many other such roles. The fact is that no one has chosen to try to make use of TAPR's web pages, its publications (like actually WRITING an article on this subject), or numerous other resources to espouse the Amateur Radio use of 802.11. At most, there have been "suggestions"... or more to the points - complaints / potshots that "TAPR OUGHT to..." It's easy to deliver shots from outside - there's little downside to doing so. It takes more courage to try to get involved. Thanks, Steve -- Steve Stroh steve@strohpub.com 425-481-0600 Independent Technology Writer Specializing in Broadband Wireless Internet Access Focus on Broadband Wireless Internet Access newsletter - http://www.strohpub.com/focus.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-netsig-4108@lists.tapr.org > [mailto:bounce-netsig-4108@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Steve Lampereur > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 11:14 > To: TAPR Networking Special Interest Group > Cc: ss@lists.tapr.org > Subject: [netsig] The Big Gotcha (2) > > > In the April 2002 issue of CQ Amateur Radio Steve Stroh, N8GNJ > wrote in his > Digital Wireless column.... > > "if you are able to modify the device in such a way that transmissions are > restricted to the amateur radio segment of the 2,4 GHz band...." "Since > Lynksys has not, and likely will not, release detailed enough > information to > be able to make such a change, "pure" amateur radio use of this device > dosen't seem likely..." > > Now I don't think the other one was an oversight. And you wonder > why I have > lost confidence in TAPR.. Get it right, there is nothing worse than > misleading hams. > > The Linksys WAP 11 is a DSSS 802.11b device. All 802.11b devices have 11 > *user* settable channels, the first 6 channels have complete > amateur overlap. > > See: > http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/dssfreq.html > > Maybe your windows driver dosen't let you "lock" onto one particular > channel. Try a different 802.11b driver (they should be interchangeable) > under Linux you can set the channel using "iwconfig" or equivelent. > > Using Part 15 Wireless Ethernet Devices for Amateur Radio: > http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/plan.html > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to netsig as: sks-lists@strohpub.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-netsig-4108S@lists.tapr.org > > Thanks, Steve -- Steve Stroh steve@strohpub.com 425-481-0600 Independent Technology Writer Specializing in Broadband Wireless Internet Access Focus on Broadband Wireless Internet Access newsletter - http://www.strohpub.com/focus.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-ss-24593@lists.tapr.org > [mailto:bounce-ss-24593@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Steve Lampereur > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 11:14 > To: TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group > Cc: ss@lists.tapr.org > Subject: [ss] The Big Gotcha (2) > > > In the April 2002 issue of CQ Amateur Radio Steve Stroh, N8GNJ > wrote in his > Digital Wireless column.... > > "if you are able to modify the device in such a way that transmissions are > restricted to the amateur radio segment of the 2,4 GHz band...." "Since > Lynksys has not, and likely will not, release detailed enough > information to > be able to make such a change, "pure" amateur radio use of this device > dosen't seem likely..." > > Now I don't think the other one was an oversight. And you wonder > why I have > lost confidence in TAPR.. Get it right, there is nothing worse than > misleading hams. > > The Linksys WAP 11 is a DSSS 802.11b device. All 802.11b devices have 11 > *user* settable channels, the first 6 channels have complete > amateur overlap. > > See: > http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/dssfreq.html > > Maybe your windows driver dosen't let you "lock" onto one particular > channel. Try a different 802.11b driver (they should be interchangeable) > under Linux you can set the channel using "iwconfig" or equivelent. > > Using Part 15 Wireless Ethernet Devices for Amateur Radio: > http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/plan.html > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: lists@strohpub.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org > > --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sun Apr 14 05:50:29 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id FAA25171 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:50:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mike McCarthy, W1NR" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Cc: Subject: [ss] RE: [netsig] The Big Gotcha (2) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 06:49:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: X-Rcpt-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk A few things... If an 802.11 device is set to use an 'Access Point' it will hunt until it finds one and set it to the channel of the AP. If you set it to 'ad-hoc' mode, you must set all of the devices on the network to a specific channel. They then communicate among themselves without relying on an access point. In addition, the better AP's (NOT Linksys or SMC, etc.) have a point-to-point or point-to-multi-point mode for campus interconnects. Many of the PtP solutions include high gain directional antenna's and cabling as a package. The FCC has been getting very strict about getting these 'systems' type accepted under part 15. They were very lax about it in the early days of 802.11. Most now use 'reverse' connectors so you can't buy stuff at the local Radio Shack and hook it together. Another potential problem is that every manufacturer of the wireless cards are required to have a different external antenna jack making patch cords to the 802.11 device even more difficult. As for modifications for Ham use, once you modify any device for use on the ham bands, whether it's a part 15, business band, military or otherwise, you automatically reclassify it as a part 97 device under your ham license. The old classifications no longer apply. Us hams have been doing these modifications since the dawn of time. Check out some of this stuff... http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/amplifiers_2400.html 73 de Mike, W1NR -----Original Message----- From: bounce-netsig-28629@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-netsig-28629@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Steve Lampereur Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 2:14 PM To: TAPR Networking Special Interest Group Cc: ss@lists.tapr.org Subject: [netsig] The Big Gotcha (2) In the April 2002 issue of CQ Amateur Radio Steve Stroh, N8GNJ wrote in his Digital Wireless column.... "if you are able to modify the device in such a way that transmissions are restricted to the amateur radio segment of the 2,4 GHz band...." "Since Lynksys has not, and likely will not, release detailed enough information to be able to make such a change, "pure" amateur radio use of this device dosen't seem likely..." Now I don't think the other one was an oversight. And you wonder why I have lost confidence in TAPR.. Get it right, there is nothing worse than misleading hams. The Linksys WAP 11 is a DSSS 802.11b device. All 802.11b devices have 11 *user* settable channels, the first 6 channels have complete amateur overlap. See: http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/dssfreq.html Maybe your windows driver dosen't let you "lock" onto one particular channel. Try a different 802.11b driver (they should be interchangeable) under Linux you can set the channel using "iwconfig" or equivelent. Using Part 15 Wireless Ethernet Devices for Amateur Radio: http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/plan.html --- You are currently subscribed to netsig as: w1nr@eecorp.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-netsig-28629J@lists.tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sun Apr 14 06:06:07 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id GAA25465 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 06:06:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:06:22 +0200 From: Rolf Sommerhalder User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Linksys WAP-11 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <3CB962AE.8050805@alumni.ethz.ch> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Mike McCarthy, W1NR wrote in Re: [ss] RE: [netsig] The Big Gotcha (2): > In addition, the better AP's (NOT Linksys or SMC, etc.) have a > point-to-point or point-to-multi-point mode for campus interconnects. To my surprise, my recently purchased Linksys WAP-11 access point actually provides point-to-point bridging capability, much like the Cisco 340 and 350 series for example. However, I unfortunately purchased only a single WAP-11 during my recent trip to the US, therefore I am unable to try its bridging. Did anyone actually try? Rolf, HB9CWP --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sun Apr 14 08:01:04 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id IAA27962 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mike Murphree To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] PCI adapters for wireless cards Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Message-Id: Precedence: bulk I came across a Proxim Skyline 802.11b wireless card at a surplus outlet recently. What I need now is a PCI adapter to plug this into a desktop PC. Will any manufacturer's adapter work or do I need a specific one? TIA, Mike W4LNA --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sun Apr 14 13:38:04 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id NAA14167 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:37:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Sender: kb9mwr@yahoo.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: Steve Lampereur Subject: [ss] Re: The Big Gotcha List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <200204141837.g3EIbI019037@faulkner.netnet.net> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk >I'm using a pair of rangelan2 units and was wondering if anyone had >edited their firmware to the VK area code themself for part 97 use. >Bob wd6dod It's been awhile since I delt with Proxim, but at one time Dave Koberstein, N9DK told me that Proxim was willing to reprogram the cards (or sell ones directly) if you supplied a copy of your ham license. Supposedly they would change the units country code to that of an old Australian ISM bandplan, that kept its opperation below 2450 MHz. An attempt was made to reverse engineer the driver: http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/wireless/lib/index.html Using Part 15 Wireless Devices for Amateur Radio: http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/plan.html --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Sun Apr 14 18:19:59 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA28628 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:19:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: From: Tony Langdon To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: The Big Gotcha Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:16:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tapr.org id SAA28628 > >I'm using a pair of rangelan2 units and was wondering if anyone had > >edited their firmware to the VK area code themself for part 97 use. > >Bob wd6dod > > It's been awhile since I delt with Proxim, but at one time Dave > Koberstein, N9DK told me that Proxim was willing to reprogram > the cards > (or sell ones directly) if you supplied a copy of your ham license. > > Supposedly they would change the units country code to that of an old > Australian ISM bandplan, that kept its opperation below 2450 MHz. Must be old, as our current ISM bandplan allows full (EIRP) power operation to 2463 MHz, and lower power (200mW EIRP) all the way to 2483 MHz, which I think extends to channel 13 for 802.11b. Best to lock systems to a specific frequency... :) I was rather amused at this "get it reprogrammed to Australian specs", when our specs allow a wider frequency range. --- Outgoing mail has been scanned for viruses Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11-Mar-02 This correspondence is for the named person’s use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Apr 15 04:35:59 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id EAA10785 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 04:35:55 -0500 (CDT) Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 04:34:45 -0500 From: JL X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: The Big Gotcha Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <3CBA9EB5.F50739D6@gbonline.com> Precedence: bulk > Must be old, as our current ISM bandplan allows full (EIRP) power operation > to 2463 MHz, and lower power (200mW EIRP) all the way to 2483 MHz, which I > think extends to channel 13 for 802.11b. Best to lock systems to a specific > frequency... :) > > I was rather amused at this "get it reprogrammed to Australian specs", when > our specs allow a wider frequency range. The main purpose for applying the Australian country code on Proxim gear was to allow the cards to operate in the 2.3 GHz band, where amateur radio operators could function as the primay user of that spectrum. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Apr 15 10:20:42 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA29687 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:20:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Ussailis Subject: [ss] Re: ss digest: April 14, 2002 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" cc: ss digest recipients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk FYI I found "reverse" SMA connectors the other day. Digi-key has them, pg 367, Jan-Apr 2002 catalog. BTW, they are no accecptable under current FCC guidelines for license-free Part 15. Jim, W1EQO On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group digest wrote: > TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group Digest for Sunday, April 14, 2002. > > 1. RE: [netsig] The Big Gotcha (2) > 2. Linksys WAP-11 > 3. PCI adapters for wireless cards > 4. Re: The Big Gotcha > 5. Re: The Big Gotcha > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: [netsig] The Big Gotcha (2) > From: "Mike McCarthy, W1NR" > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 06:49:05 -0400 > X-Message-Number: 1 > > A few things... > > If an 802.11 device is set to use an 'Access Point' it will hunt > until it finds one and set it to the channel of the AP. If you set it to > 'ad-hoc' mode, you must set all of the devices on the network to a > specific channel. They then communicate among themselves without > relying on an access point. > > In addition, the better AP's (NOT Linksys or SMC, etc.) have a > point-to-point or point-to-multi-point mode for campus interconnects. > Many of the PtP solutions include high gain directional antenna's and > cabling as a package. The FCC has been getting very strict about > getting these 'systems' type accepted under part 15. They were very > lax about it in the early days of 802.11. Most now use 'reverse' > connectors so you can't buy stuff at the local Radio Shack and hook > it together. Another potential problem is that every manufacturer of > the wireless cards are required to have a different external antenna > jack making patch cords to the 802.11 device even more difficult. > > As for modifications for Ham use, once you modify any device for > use on the ham bands, whether it's a part 15, business band, military > or otherwise, you automatically reclassify it as a part 97 device > under your ham license. The old classifications no longer apply. > Us hams have been doing these modifications since the dawn of time. > > Check out some of this stuff... > > http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/amplifiers_2400.html > > 73 de Mike, W1NR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-netsig-28629@lists.tapr.org > [mailto:bounce-netsig-28629@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Steve Lampereur > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 2:14 PM > To: TAPR Networking Special Interest Group > Cc: ss@lists.tapr.org > Subject: [netsig] The Big Gotcha (2) > > > In the April 2002 issue of CQ Amateur Radio Steve Stroh, N8GNJ wrote in his > Digital Wireless column.... > > "if you are able to modify the device in such a way that transmissions are > restricted to the amateur radio segment of the 2,4 GHz band...." "Since > Lynksys has not, and likely will not, release detailed enough information to > be able to make such a change, "pure" amateur radio use of this device > dosen't seem likely..." > > Now I don't think the other one was an oversight. And you wonder why I have > lost confidence in TAPR.. Get it right, there is nothing worse than > misleading hams. > > The Linksys WAP 11 is a DSSS 802.11b device. All 802.11b devices have 11 > *user* settable channels, the first 6 channels have complete amateur > overlap. > > See: > http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/dssfreq.html > > Maybe your windows driver dosen't let you "lock" onto one particular > channel. Try a different 802.11b driver (they should be interchangeable) > under Linux you can set the channel using "iwconfig" or equivelent. > > Using Part 15 Wireless Ethernet Devices for Amateur Radio: > http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/plan.html > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to netsig as: w1nr@eecorp.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-netsig-28629J@lists.tapr.org > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Linksys WAP-11 > From: Rolf Sommerhalder > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:06:22 +0200 > X-Message-Number: 2 > > Mike McCarthy, W1NR wrote in Re: [ss] RE: [netsig] The Big Gotcha (2): > > > In addition, the better AP's (NOT Linksys or SMC, etc.) have a > > point-to-point or point-to-multi-point mode for campus interconnects. > > To my surprise, my recently purchased Linksys WAP-11 access point > actually provides point-to-point bridging capability, much like the > Cisco 340 and 350 series for example. > > However, I unfortunately purchased only a single WAP-11 during my recent > trip to the US, therefore I am unable to try its bridging. Did anyone > actually try? > > Rolf, HB9CWP > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: PCI adapters for wireless cards > From: Mike Murphree > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:00:11 -0500 > X-Message-Number: 3 > > > I came across a Proxim Skyline 802.11b wireless card at a surplus > outlet recently. What I need now is a PCI adapter to plug this into > a desktop PC. Will any manufacturer's adapter work or do I need > a specific one? > > TIA, > Mike W4LNA > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: The Big Gotcha > From: Steve Lampereur > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:37:20 -0500 > X-Message-Number: 4 > > >I'm using a pair of rangelan2 units and was wondering if anyone had > >edited their firmware to the VK area code themself for part 97 use. > >Bob wd6dod > > It's been awhile since I delt with Proxim, but at one time Dave > Koberstein, N9DK told me that Proxim was willing to reprogram the cards > (or sell ones directly) if you supplied a copy of your ham license. > > Supposedly they would change the units country code to that of an old > Australian ISM bandplan, that kept its opperation below 2450 MHz. > > An attempt was made to reverse engineer the driver: > http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/wireless/lib/index.html > > > Using Part 15 Wireless Devices for Amateur Radio: > http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/plan.html > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: The Big Gotcha > From: Tony Langdon > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:16:50 +1000 > X-Message-Number: 5 > > > >I'm using a pair of rangelan2 units and was wondering if anyone had=20 > > >edited their firmware to the VK area code themself for part 97 use. > > >Bob wd6dod > >=20 > > It's been awhile since I delt with Proxim, but at one time Dave=20 > > Koberstein, N9DK told me that Proxim was willing to reprogram=20 > > the cards > > (or sell ones directly) if you supplied a copy of your ham license. > >=20 > > Supposedly they would change the units country code to that of an old = > > > Australian ISM bandplan, that kept its opperation below 2450 MHz. > > Must be old, as our current ISM bandplan allows full (EIRP) power = > operation > to 2463 MHz, and lower power (200mW EIRP) all the way to 2483 MHz, = > which I > think extends to channel 13 for 802.11b. Best to lock systems to a = > specific > frequency... :) > > I was rather amused at this "get it reprogrammed to Australian specs", = > when > our specs allow a wider frequency range. > > --- > Outgoing mail has been scanned for viruses > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11-Mar-02 > =20 > > This correspondence is for the named person=92s use only. It may = > contain > confidential or legally privileged information or both. No = > confidentiality > or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive = > this > correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system = > and > notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or rely on any part of = > this > correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. > > Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual = > sender. > > > > > --- > > END OF DIGEST > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: ussailis@shaysnet.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org > > --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Apr 15 17:21:47 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id RAA23330 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:21:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: From: Tony Langdon To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: The Big Gotcha Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:19:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tapr.org id RAA23330 The main purpose for applying the Australian country code on Proxim gear was to allow the cards to operate in the 2.3 GHz band, where amateur radio operators could function as the primay user of that spectrum. Hmm, I must revisit the regs, but I'm not aware of any wireless networking band below 2.4 GHz here... As they say, "I could be wrong". :) --- Outgoing mail has been scanned for Viruses. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.346 / Virus Database: 194 - Release Date: 10/04/2002 This correspondence is for the named person’s use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Apr 15 18:04:27 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA26270 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:04:25 -0500 (CDT) Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:04:01 -0500 From: JL X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: The Big Gotcha List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <3CBB5C61.D37B0388@gbonline.com> Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >must revisit the regs, but I'm not aware of any wireless networking >band below 2.4 GHz here... As they say, "I could be wrong". :) Again: Changing the Country Code (CC) in the Proxim firmware from United States to Australia allowed the cards to operate in the 2.390 to 2.417 GHz United States amateur radio bandplan. Why that is, we don't know - It just works. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Mon Apr 15 18:43:48 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA28386 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:43:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: From: Tony Langdon To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: The Big Gotcha Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:27:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tapr.org id SAA28386 > >must revisit the regs, but I'm not aware of any wireless networking > >band below 2.4 GHz here... As they say, "I could be wrong". :) > > Again: > > Changing the Country Code (CC) in the Proxim firmware from > United States to Australia allowed the cards to operate in > the 2.390 to 2.417 GHz United States amateur radio bandplan. > Why that is, we don't know - It just works. How old are these devices? Just looked in the ACA class licence documentation for spread spectrum and "low interference potential devices" (i.e. non spread spectrum general purpose, such as video transmitters) and both state the range as being 2400-2463 or 2483.5 MHz. Either I've missed a class licence somewhere or it's an old spec, no longer current. In any case, I'm rather curious... But FYI... For spread spectrum devices... (info from ACA provided for the curious). General conditions: frequency bands and EIRP limits 4. This class licence is subject to the condition that a spread spectrum device must be operated only: (a) on a frequency band set out in the following Table; and (b) with the EIRP set out in the Table opposite to the frequency band. TABLE Frequency band EIRP 915 MHz - 928 MHz Not exceeding 1 W 2400 MHz - 2463 MHz Not exceeding 4 W 2463 MHz - 2483.5 MHz Not exceeding 200 mW 5725 MHz - 5875 MHz Not exceeding 1 W And for more info for the curious... http://www.aca.gov.au/legal/licence/class/spread.htm (spread spectrum devices such as WLANs) http://www.aca.gov.au/legal/licence/class/lipd.rtf (general purpose devices) --- Outgoing mail has been scanned for Viruses. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.346 / Virus Database: 194 - Release Date: 10/04/2002 This correspondence is for the named person’s use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. 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Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Tue Apr 16 11:40:13 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id LAA04069 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:40:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:39:25 -0500 Message-Id: X-Sender: kb9mwr@yahoo.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" From: Steve Lampereur Subject: [ss] Re: FHSS reprogramming (was The Big Gotcha) List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <200204161639.g3GGdP309540@faulkner.netnet.net> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I no longer have a copy of the correspondence from Dave N9DK to explain this further. I remember it was pretty short and sweet- he just assured me that it would not hop beyond 2450 MHz after being reprogrammed. I asked how they where going to do this and he told me by changing the country code. My guess is they loaded a special band plan in place of one of the Australian ones. I do have note here from Barry, VE3JF who also apparently also had some RangeLan2 cards programmed "to hop within the 2400-2450 MHz range instead of the full ISM band." Apperently on Proxim gear several different ISM bandplans are loaded into the EEPROM(s), and depending where the device is to be sold they can toggle the country code so that it complies with that countries particular rules. This toggleing is accomlished through manufacture software. Sounds like for a few hams Proxim actually reprogammed the EEPROM(s) not just toggled he country code. You might be able to toggle a preloaded ISM band plan (yourself) that keeps hopping within the amateur overlap (or better yet in unshared bandspace), by reversing the driver. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Tue Apr 16 18:45:45 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id SAA00913 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:45:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: From: Tony Langdon To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: FHSS reprogramming (was The Big Gotcha) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:44:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tapr.org id SAA00913 > Apperently on Proxim gear several different ISM bandplans are > loaded into > the EEPROM(s), and depending where the device is to be sold > they can toggle > the country code so that it complies with that countries > particular rules. > This toggleing is accomlished through manufacture software. > > Sounds like for a few hams Proxim actually reprogammed the > EEPROM(s) not > just toggled he country code. This is quite possible and would explain the different behaviour. :) > > You might be able to toggle a preloaded ISM band plan > (yourself) that keeps > hopping within the amateur overlap (or better yet in unshared > bandspace), by > reversing the driver. There is no such thing as "unshared" space here. The useful part of the band stops at 2400MHz anyway (2302-2400 was taken away some time ago for MDS broadcasting/narrowcasting a few years ago. :( ). --- Outgoing mail has been scanned for Viruses. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.349 / Virus Database: 195 - Release Date: 15/04/2002 This correspondence is for the named person’s use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. 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Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Tue Apr 16 20:44:03 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id UAA05485 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:43:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Barry McLarnon VE3JF To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Re: FHSS reprogramming (was The Big Gotcha) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:42:53 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <200204170142.g3H1gtF17658@cpe0020188cb319.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk On April 16, 2002 12:39 pm, Steve Lampereur wrote: > I no longer have a copy of the correspondence from Dave N9DK to explain > this further. I remember it was pretty short and sweet- he just assured me > that it would not hop beyond 2450 MHz after being reprogrammed. I asked > how they where going to do this and he told > me by changing the country code. My guess is they loaded a special band > plan in place of one of the Australian ones. I do have note here from > Barry, VE3JF who also apparently also had some RangeLan2 cards programmed > "to hop within the 2400-2450 MHz > range instead of the full ISM band." Yep, I'm still lurking out here. :-) If I recall correctly, it was an ETSI (European) country code that they used in my case. It definitely stayed within the 2400-2450 MHz range - I verified that with a spectrum analyzer. > Apperently on Proxim gear several different ISM bandplans are loaded into > the EEPROM(s), and depending where the device is to be sold they can toggle > the country code so that it complies with that countries particular rules. > This toggleing is accomlished through manufacture software. > > Sounds like for a few hams Proxim actually reprogammed the EEPROM(s) not > just toggled he country code. Could be, but I'm not aware of that being done... sounds a bit unlikely. > You might be able to toggle a preloaded ISM band plan (yourself) that keeps > hopping within the amateur overlap (or better yet in unshared bandspace), > by reversing the driver. The country code is programmed by special software at the factory... I doubt if you'll find many clues in the driver on how to do it. Barry -- Barry McLarnon VE3JF Ottawa, ON bdm@bdmcomm.ca or barry.mclarnon@crc.ca --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Fri Apr 19 22:13:31 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id WAA20227 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:13:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mike McCarthy, W1NR" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] RE: PCI adapters for wireless cards Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:12:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: X-Rcpt-To: List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk I have seen some work and others not. It seems to depend on both the PCMCIA to PCI adapter and the radio card. Good luck. 73 de Mike, W1NR -----Original Message----- From: bounce-ss-28630@lists.tapr.org [mailto:bounce-ss-28630@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Mike Murphree Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 9:00 AM To: TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group Subject: [ss] PCI adapters for wireless cards I came across a Proxim Skyline 802.11b wireless card at a surplus outlet recently. What I need now is a PCI adapter to plug this into a desktop PC. Will any manufacturer's adapter work or do I need a specific one? TIA, Mike W4LNA --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: w1nr@eecorp.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Fri Apr 19 23:05:33 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id XAA23155 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:05:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: From: "jeff millar" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" References: Subject: [ss] RE: PCI adapters for wireless cards Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:22:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <000d01c1e81a$a0a75880$6501a8c0@mrrmnh.adelphia.net> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk Just a data point...I couldn't make the Linksys PCI adapter work my 802.11 adapters. It's software only seems to support the LinkSys 802.11 card. And this is after trying rather hard under both Windows and Linux. jeff, wa1hco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike McCarthy, W1NR" To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: [ss] RE: PCI adapters for wireless cards > I have seen some work and others not. It seems to depend on both > the PCMCIA to PCI adapter and the radio card. Good luck. > > 73 de Mike, W1NR > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-ss-28630@lists.tapr.org > [mailto:bounce-ss-28630@lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Mike Murphree > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 9:00 AM > To: TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group > Subject: [ss] PCI adapters for wireless cards > > > > I came across a Proxim Skyline 802.11b wireless card at a surplus > outlet recently. What I need now is a PCI adapter to plug this into > a desktop PC. Will any manufacturer's adapter work or do I need > a specific one? > > TIA, > Mike W4LNA > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: w1nr@eecorp.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ss as: JEFF@WA1HCO.MV.COM > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org > > --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org From bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Wed Apr 24 10:35:33 2002 Received: from lists.tapr.org (lists.tapr.org [204.17.217.24]) by tapr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.13) with SMTP id KAA26937 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:35:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:21:33 -0400 From: John Ackermann N8UR To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" Subject: [ss] Digital BASH Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-List-Host: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio Reply-To: "TAPR Spread Spectrum Special Interest Group" X-Message-Id: <12010740.1019647293@WUSJA129861-8HP> Sender: bounce-ss-6751@lists.tapr.org Precedence: bulk We're very happy to announce that Bdale Garbe, KB0G, will be the keynote speaker at the TAPR/MVFMA Digital BASH on Friday evening at Hamvention. Bdale is one of the long-time "good guys" in the digital radio and amateur satellite worlds. He was in the middle of the early work on KA9Q's "NET" and "NOS" programs, pioneered megabit-rate packet radio, and in the satellite world was heavily involved in the RUDAK and AO-40 GPS experiments. Back in the Old Days, he was a board member and Vice President of TAPR, and remains one of TAPR's best friends. On a different front, Bdale was just elected as Debian Project Leader, so he now oversees one of the major Linux distributions -- and the one that is by far the most ham-friendly. Bdale works in the Linux development group at HP, and in his spare (?) time does VHF/UHF/microwave contesting and roaming. Bdale's talk will blend all of these interests into an entertaining and informative presentation titled "From Bits in the Basement to Debian -- and Back Again". You can find more information about the Digital BASH and TAPR's other Hamvention activities at http://www.tapr.org/tapr/dayton/. See you there! 73, John ---- John Ackermann N8UR jra@febo.com http://www.febo.com President, TAPR n8ur@tapr.org http://www.tapr.org --- You are currently subscribed to ss as: lyris.ss@tapr.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ss-6751T@lists.tapr.org