Description To share information about "good deeds" and real help given to our communities by decent, law-abiding citizens listening to scanners. Also to acknowledge the MANY police and fire agencies which realize the value of - and support - responsible scanning. With the recent publicity about radio "hackers" interfering on police and other emergency frequencies, and many peoples' sense that scanner listeners are out to cause trouble, here's a place to share some of the good news. With your contributions we could become a useful resource for people who may be lobbying against unnecessarily restrictive scanner laws and ordinances. 1 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 10:19pm Subject: LA Fire Dept is "scanner-friendly" marnells@... Send Email Send Email The Los Angeles City Fire Department's web site has a section describing their dispatch operations at < http://www.lafd.org/ocd2.htm > and a link there to their radio frequencies at < http://www.lafd.org/freqncy.htm > I've found their webmasters to be VERY receptive to occasional, reasonable requests for information. Public Information Officer, Firefighter Brian Humphries, in particular, is frequently on line and in newsgroups with both official and personal postings. Harry Marnell http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/officer.htm <~~LAPD North Hollywood Shootout audio 2 From: alana@... Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 1:14pm Subject: Archives? alana@... Send Email Send Email I'm new here! I was disappointed to see that there are no archives? Alana (In Missouri) 3 From: alana@... Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 1:15pm Subject: Archives? alana@... Send Email Send Email I'm new here! I was disappointed to see that there are no archives? Alana (In Missouri) 4 From: zerg90@... (PS) Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 2:42pm Subject: Story #1 zerg90@... Send Email Send Email I hope that this list will be brimming with good stories from scannerists. If the scanning hobby is to survive, there is no doubt in my mind that we will have to toot our own horns and let the general public know what good stuff we are up to. Here is something that I did a couple of months ago. I was scanning some quiet channels and suddenly, on Boston Police Channel 1 (460.35R the spare/emergency/tactical channel), I hear "he is running into Bayside Village". Obviously it was a police officer in foot pursuit. So I waited a couple of seconds - no more radio traffic. If I had been real smart, I would have plugged in the Delta channel at this time. (Bayside Village is in the Delta Area). But I didnt do that - I locked the scanner on 460.35 and went to the phone book. I dug up the 7 digit emergency phone number for the Boston Police. (Since I do not live in Boston, I could not dial 911 to directly reach the Boston Police) After about 10 rings, someone answers. I said "Do you know that you have a officer in foot pursuit in Bayside Village?" - big pause - "I know nothing about that" is the reply. So I start my spiel - who I am - what I heard - how I heard it - where I am - what channel it was on - then I hear "We are well aware of the situation". So I hung up. I then plugged in the Delta Area channel (460.50R) and it sounded like everything was under control. I am not sure if I was talking to 2 dispatchers at once or what the story was. I know that I did not receive any thanks for my call or concern. I also know that I have not been placed under arrest for anything (yet :-) So - that is my story - and I am sticking to it. Peter S near Boston MA 5 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 4:18pm Subject: Re: Archives? marnells@... Send Email Send Email Alana... No Archives yet because the list is brand new...just started up yesterday, 2/12! I'm going to go thru my old emails and see if I can find anything...we have 46 members, so the posts should come pouring in any second. Folks??? Harry Marnell, N6URU LAPD Communications History Page: http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm -----Original Message----- From: alana@... To: scan4good@onelist.com Date: Sunday, February 13, 2000 05:16 Subject: [scan4good] Archives? From: alana@... I'm new here! I was disappointed to see that there are no archives? Alana (In Missouri) --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good 6 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 4:31pm Subject: Re: Story #1 marnells@... Send Email Send Email Yep, it's funny how scanner users are perceived by many people in . Kind of like security guards. Sometimes it seems better NOT to mention the scanner if you can avoid it. Having been a scannerizer since before I got into dispatching, I've seen it from both sides. And I've been a security patrolman/supervisor to boot. My advice would be to not act like you know more than the person you're calling...ESPECIALLY don't use any "codes" or cop jargon. Sound like in your incident, PS, that the call-taker wasn't aware of the foot pursuit, but someone there told him/her it was already being handled. The mode then seems to have switched to "we're the police, we know what we're doing." I wouldn't wait by the door for either a "thank you" OR for handcuffs. Harry -----Original Message----- From: PS To: scan4good@onelist.com Date: Sunday, February 13, 2000 06:42 Subject: [scan4good] Story #1 From: zerg90@... (PS) I hope that this list will be brimming with good stories from scannerists. If the scanning hobby is to survive, there is no doubt in my mind that we will have to toot our own horns and let the general public know what good stuff we are up to. Here is something that I did a couple of months ago. I was scanning some quiet channels and suddenly, on Boston Police Channel 1 (460.35R the spare/emergency/tactical channel), I hear "he is running into Bayside Village". Obviously it was a police officer in foot pursuit. So I waited a couple of seconds - no more radio traffic. If I had been real smart, I would have plugged in the Delta channel at this time. (Bayside Village is in the Delta Area). But I didnt do that - I locked the scanner on 460.35 and went to the phone book. I dug up the 7 digit emergency phone number for the Boston Police. (Since I do not live in Boston, I could not dial 911 to directly reach the Boston Police) After about 10 rings, someone answers. I said "Do you know that you have a officer in foot pursuit in Bayside Village?" - big pause - "I know nothing about that" is the reply. So I start my spiel - who I am - what I heard - how I heard it - where I am - what channel it was on - then I hear "We are well aware of the situation". So I hung up. I then plugged in the Delta Area channel (460.50R) and it sounded like everything was under control. 7 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 4:36pm Subject: Which reminds me.. marnells@... Send Email Send Email Probably 25+ years ago (and any documentation has long since vanished), there was a CHP officer in the Barstow area who called for assistance of some kind. CHP was (and still is for the most part) two-frequency simplex, and he was apparently in a dead spot for all of their receivers. A scanner listener in the area had the mobile frequency plugged into his scanner, though, and heard the call go unanswered. So he phoned CHP and they got help going. It made the papers, and I'm sure that made ONE officer happy about folks "eavesdropping"... Harry Marnell, N6URU LAPD Communications History Page: http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm 8 From: alana@... Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 7:20pm Subject: Re: Archives? alana@... Send Email Send Email Wow...you have a lot of members for a two day old list. I used to run the list called "scanner" but had a horrible time getting people to post, so I gave the list to someone who had more time/energy to run it. I don't know if they made a success of it or not. Alana (Missouri) On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, Harry Marnell wrote: > Alana... > > No Archives yet because the list is brand new...just started up yesterday, 2/12! I'm going to go thru my old emails and see if I can find anything...we have 46 members, so the posts should come pouring in any second. Folks??? > > Harry Marnell, N6URU > > LAPD Communications History Page: > http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alana@... > To: scan4good@onelist.com > Date: Sunday, February 13, 2000 05:16 > Subject: [scan4good] Archives? > > > From: alana@... > > I'm new here! I was disappointed to see that there are no archives? > > Alana (In Missouri) > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > > 9 From: efhoppe@... Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 2:41pm Subject: Archives? efhoppe@... Send Email Send Email A few years back the local Sheriff's Office was getting some interference on their main dispatch frequency. Since I was running several scanners, I noticed that every time the local school district's repeater would key up so would the interference on the S/O's repeater. I double checked this to be sure and every time it was there. I gave the S/O a call and told them about it and I seem to remember them being thankful. The school district was notified and they got their repeater fixed which solved the problem. Sometime later the S/O again had some problems with interference. They immediately called me. Unfortunately this time I was unable to figure out who was interfering but it eventually stopped. Earl F. Hoppe KE6CIM Stockton, CA USA ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. 10 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 0:40am Subject: Re: Archives? marnells@... Send Email Send Email Good story, Earl. Of course it depends on who answers your phone call, but do you have any "tips" for people placing calls like the one you did? The results YOU got were by no means typical, I would guess. Especially to have them call you back on the second occasion. Obviously you said the right things to the right person in the right way... Harry -----Original Message----- From: efhoppe@... <> To: scan4good@onelist.com Date: Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:42 Subject: [scan4good] Archives? From: efhoppe@... A few years back the local Sheriff's Office was getting some interference on their main dispatch frequency. Since I was running several scanners, I noticed that every time the local school district's repeater would key up so would the interference on the S/O's repeater. I double checked this to be sure and every time it was there. I gave the S/O a call and told them about it and I seem to remember them being thankful. The school district was notified and they got their repeater fixed which solved the problem. Sometime later the S/O again had some problems with interference. They immediately called me. Unfortunately this time I was unable to figure out who was interfering but it eventually stopped. Earl F. Hoppe KE6CIM Stockton, CA USA ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 2.9 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good 11 From: "Peter J Anderson" Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 5:16am Subject: Re: Which reminds me.. colohtaprsunit@... Send Email Send Email > Probably 25+ years ago (and any documentation has long since vanished), there was a CHP officer in the Barstow area who called for assistance of some kind. CHP was (and still is for the most part) two-frequency simplex, and he was apparently in a dead spot for all of their receivers. A scanner listener in the area had the mobile frequency plugged into his scanner, though, and heard the call go unanswered. So he phoned CHP and they got help going. It made the papers, and I'm sure that made ONE officer happy about folks "eavesdropping"... There are good and bad points to using a scanner, but like all technology it has to be used with discretion, as with all equipment. I have a scanner in my car to be able to monitor multiple frequencies for the local repeaters when we have a ham event such as a run or other activity. It is really useful to keep an ear on the national weather service for storm watching and still talk on the repeater as the same time. It's hard to find someone who does have a scanner or run across someone who has had one. But I have learned that there are ones that are trying to play "Super Cop" or the like. Now I am not bashing all who own scanners. But a view that I have had being on both sides of the fence. Both as a ham and former CB'er. There are those states that have made it illegal to own or possess scanning equipment of any kind. In Colorado it is still lawful to have scanners and use them. I am a member of a group that gets news of breaking news here in CO called Mountain News Net. We also get the frequencies that are for that operation as well. Having a scanner is really great instead of having to reprogram your mobile or handheld every time we get new info for an event that might last an hour and then never use actively again. Scanning has it's good and bad points but has to be used with care as with all equipment. I will get off my soapbox now. Peter Anderson N0WRE 12 From: "Philip Humes" Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:12am Subject: Duplex radio kf6gnh@... Send Email Send Email A number of years ago, probably 1976 or so, when I was into the CB radio club -- Southern Wisconsin Dirty Dozen-something nice happened to show how I used my CB to talk to a Wisconsin State Patrol. The club I was in had many truckers in it so when truckers came to town, they would jump up to channel 22 to get assistance. One night around 9:00pm, a trucker came up to 22 to get someone to call the State Patrol. There was a vehicle going south bound on Interstate 90 doing 15 mph and using both lanes. I had my scanner on and I heard JAYHAWKER tell his partner that he was going down to the state line (Illinois). Knowing who he was, I called him on the CB. I could barely hear him since skip was rolling in from the south. I told him that I could not hear him but I have my other radioi. Over the scanner he asked "Do you have a scanner?" I then talked to him over my loud CB station and he replied to me over the scanner. I found out a week later that the vehicle was driven by an 84 yr old woman who was quite drunk. Philip Humes kf6gnh@... North of the Gate NOT NEAR THE RUSSIAN RIVER 13 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:46pm Subject: Hampton VA Police use citizens as extra "eyes" marnells@... Send Email Send Email Not exactly SCANNER-related, but this story shows how one agency actually encourages radio-equipped citizens to report suspicious activity. From http://www.hampton.va.us/hpd/ci~wkwch.htm HAMPTON POLICE DIVISION: WORKERS ON WATCH PROJECT DESCRIPTION: The Workers on Watch Program enables City agencies and businesses equipped with two-way radios, the ability to relay information concerning criminal activity, traffic accidents and any other suspicious or hazardous incidences to the Police Division through their agency's dispatch system. OVERVIEW: In cooperation with City agencies and businesses that are equipped with two-way radios, the Hampton Police Division has made CB Radio Channel 36 available so that employees can assist the police by notifying their dispatchers and in turn the Police Communications Center when workers witness a crime being committed or suspect peculiar activity. Workers on Watch participants include the Peninsula Transportation Commission (PENTRAN ), Virginia Power, the telephone company, and local taxi and construction companies. These companies along with others represent a large number of employees who operate vehicles equipped with two-way radios and are frequently present on the streets of Hampton. Provides an additional resource for alerting the Police Division of any criminal activity. Use of Channel 36 and the two-way radios enable workers in the City to more easily report suspicious activity. Harry Marnell, N6URU LAPD Communications History Page: http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm 14 From: zerg90@... (PS) Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 10:10pm Subject: Slightly Off Topic zerg90@... Send Email Send Email This is not a scan4good story but it is a technology-for-good-cops story. Video clears NJ troopers Trenton, NJ, Feb. 15 – The installation of dashboard video cameras in New Jersey State Police vehicles has helped troopers disprove at least 40 charges that they mistreated motorists, state officials reported. CAMERAS WERE PLACED in approximately 80 percent of state police patrol vehicles after the agency confronted numerous charges that troopers engaged in racial profiling, or unfairly targeting minority motorists. Since the in-car cameras started rolling in June 1998, not a single trooper has been charged with wrongdoing based on evidence from the videotape. Attorney General John Farmer said that videos cleared troopers in "a multitude" of complaints. Troopers, who initially were leery of the added scrutiny, now may be changing their minds about the recordings of their traffic stops. The cameras activate automatically when the patrol vehicle's red flashing lights are turned on. "Originally, when video cameras were coming in, there was a concern that they were going to be obtrusive," Farmer said. "Now there's the recognition that no one wants to leave the station without them because of the support it provides to officers who conduct themselves properly." State police investigators have dismissed at least 40 complaints against troopers after reviewing video, The Star-Ledger of Newark reported in Tuesday's editions. In six cases, they turned the matter over to prosecutors to pursue possible perjury or false swearing charges against the motorists. "People should watch before they make false statements in court," said Attorney General's spokesman Roger Shatzkin. "People should be aware that if they lie they can get caught." Among the charges reviewed by investigators – a man said that a trooper spat on his girlfriend. An alleged speeder said that a trooper harassed him and used a racial slur. A white motorist accused a foul-mouthed trooper of reverse racial profiling. All of those complaints were turned aside after investigators reviewed the videotape, the newspaper reported. The Rev. Reginald Jackson, executive director of the Black Ministers Council of New Jersey, said that he is glad video now is thwarting untrue charges against troopers. The cameras continue to be necessary to keep everyone honest. "The cameras are doing exactly what we want them to do," Jackson said. "They will serve to derail a lot of false complaints, but will also substantiate those claims when people are telling the truth." 15 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 2:02am Subject: Fw: Crime Rates.. marnells@... Send Email Send Email -----Original Message----- From: Steve Johnson To: SCAN-L@... Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 14:05 Subject: Crime Rates.. When a city decides to upgrade their radio systems and take the plunge into digital, do they really notice any decrease in crime because of this?? Here in western Canada, one of our small cities (Moose Jaw,Sask.) went digital last week, and the police chief stressed that not only would it give them better reception but would keep the bad guys from listening in. I wonder if there are any stats on this. Does the number of arrests increase with the use of a digital system ? I personally can't see that considering how many extra eyes and ears they lose by cutting us hobbists off!!!! 16 From: JMarcel66@... Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 10:20am Subject: Re: Digital JMarcel66@... Send Email Send Email Not sure if I saw it here about Phoenix,Az not going Digital till Digital scanners are available. Kudos to Phoenix. I think any agency thinking of going digital oughtta call Phoenix & get a professional cities opinion on why not to. Maybe they'll listen to another government agency since they don't listen to their public. John Marcel Manchester,NH 17 From: JMarcel66@... Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 10:26am Subject: Digital, FD's & Scanners JMarcel66@... Send Email Send Email Quite possibly the biggest potential losers w/Digital systems will be Firefighters. Both Paid & Volunteer. Thousands of Firefighters and Fire Dispatch centers utilize scanners to get information on incidents. personally, I am usually in the car repoting to work as soon as I hear the incident get to a level where additional help is needed. because of how hectic things get, the dispatcher doesn't always get to calling additional dispatchers (which I am) in via the radio paging system. We have designated coverage night (OT of course) so when I'm covering I listen to the scanner more closely. This has had direct impact on service to citizens in getting calls processed faster when the additional dispatcher gets there quicker. Just as a reference I work for a city FD that dispatches an additional 17 communities and handles 13k+ calls per year w/normally one dispatcher on duty. John Marcel Manchester,NH 18 From: zerg90@... (PS) Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 3:32pm Subject: Phoenix Digital zerg90@... Send Email Send Email There is a short news item at the Monitoring Times website in the ?Feb 2000 edition that says that Phoenix Police and Fire/EMS will not go to a digital radio system until a digital scanner is available to the public. They are doing this so they do not lose valuable tips from scannerists. It seems to me that Phoenix and Mesa were jointly going to a trunked system about 5 years ago. Something must have happened along the way. I think that Mesa is going trunked now but Phoenix is staying conventional at 154Mhz for now (police and fire/ems). 19 From: "Harry Marnell - HWMA" Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 5:44pm Subject: Fw: Who Reads Police Magazines? marnells@... Send Email Send Email Forwarded from the scan-l list... -----Original Message----- From: peter szerlag To: SCAN-L@... Date: Thursday, February 17, 2000 09:22 Subject: Who Reads Police Magazines? >Who reads police magazines out there? Do they ever have any comments about >scannerists / scannerites / scanner-jockeys? I get APCO Magazine, but I >don't remember any mention of scanner folks in the last ?7 years. And I dont >remember any fire magazine talking about scanners. (Scanner Master and ?CE >Electronics or Scanner World advertised in APCO Magazine once upon a time - >but I think that it was short lived) Peter S >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > 20 From: walter.howard@... Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 11:07pm Subject: Re: Phoenix Digital walter.howard@... Send Email Send Email I haven't seen that yet. My contacts over at the city tell me they have had some problems with letting the contract. And yes, the two (and possibly more) cities are going in together. All non-state public safety agencies on 800 MHz Motorola have common talk-groups programmed on each others systems. Fire dispatch has moved all MDT traffic to 800. By the way, Phoenix Police detectives work on 453/458 MHz channels. Walter Howard TeleComm Supervisor Arizona Dept. of Public Safety "Courteous Vigilance" All opinions expressed are personal, NOT THE DEPARTMENT'S! On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:32:59 -0500 (EST) zerg90@... (PS) writes: > From: zerg90@... (PS) > > There is a short news item at the Monitoring Times website in the > ?Feb > 2000 edition that says that Phoenix Police and Fire/EMS will not go > to a > digital radio system until a digital scanner is available to the > public. > They are doing this so they do not lose valuable tips from > scannerists. > > It seems to me that Phoenix and Mesa were jointly going to a trunked > system about 5 years ago. Something must have happened along the > way. I > think that Mesa is going trunked now but Phoenix is staying > conventional > at 154Mhz for now (police and fire/ems). > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who > are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite > today > and put your mind to rest. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. 21 From: "Harry Marnell - HWMA" Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 3:24pm Subject: LIST will be down on Saturday from 9-3 Pacific time marnells@... Send Email Send Email Dear ONElist Subscribers - All ONElist sites will be off-line from 9am until 3pm Pacific Standard Time on Saturday 19th February, 2000 for scheduled maintenance. The people running the thing "apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you". Mail will not be delivered during this time. Any mail posted to a list during this time will be delivered after 3pm Pacific Standard Time on Saturday 19th February, 2000. Thank you in advance for your patience. Harry The List Mangler Harry Marnell http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/officer.htm <~~LAPD North Hollywood Shootout audio 22 From: David Pinero Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:15pm Subject: Good idea... tdave365@... Send Email Send Email Hi all, I just signed up with this list and want to say what a great idea it is. I run a website devoted to calling attention to public safety departments that are going closed at http://www.openness.org , and have mentioned this listserv on our Headlines page. Public safety is gradually taking note of the positive aspects of keeping key parts of their radio communication streams open. Public access policies have been drawn up to specifically address the issue and I think there will be more as the momentum of digitalization increases. One story I can contribute right away is one that happened two summers ago! I was in my studio apartment typing at my computer when I overheard a police officer in my district report seeing smoke in the area adjacent to my apartment window! The officer reported to dispatch that he was going to investigate, but as I was already there and quite alarmed I opened my front door and was instantly hit in the face with thick blue smoke! I stepped out to find that an entire fence just yards from my window was engulfed in flames, and some apartment complex servicemen were desperately trying to put the inferno out with a garden hoses! I shouted if anyone had called 911 yet and they advised me to do so, which I most certainly did with my cell phone. The police officer showed up some five minutes later (though it seems to me after the fire department if I recall correctly). This is an example of how open broadcasting even the basic patrol channels can directly inform a community for the better. Certainly this was not something I could have relied on the media for, nor would they have likely reported. The fire was actually a minor brush fire that had simply spread to the long wooden fence. However, the proximity to my apartment building was alarming! I have posted my experience and photos of this event at: http://members.aol.com/truth4000/gallery.htm I hope to hear some great stories from this listserv. I would also hope that those who care enough about promoting public access policies would join our list by e-mailing a blank message to: openness-subscribe@... Our list is a vehicle for protesting closed systems, and encouraging and spreading news about open access policies and other compensations in the imminent era of digitalization. Glad to be here! Dave ===== ========================================================== David Pinero, Tampa, Florida. (813)971-4347 http://www.pobox.com/~dpinero ========================================================== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com 23 From: "Harry Marnell - HWMA" Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 9:15pm Subject: Re: Good idea... marnells@... Send Email Send Email Your story is a good illustration of the reason for this list. While you apparently didn't make the papers or the 11:00 o'clock news, your scanner was instrumental in minimizing what otherwise might have been much more tragic. Seems to me that "minor" events like the oneyou describe happen all the time to people with scanners, but never get any publicity. Here's an example of the "other side," the more typical scanner story in tyhe media...and a few responses (mine included): -----Original Message----- From: zerg90@... To: sonofrcma@onelist.com Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:25 Subject: [snRCMA] Criminals Using Scanners >From: zerg90@... > >here is a serious incident handled by the Natl Park Service where >criminals used "scanner/radios". > >Ross Lake NRA (WA) - Drug Smuggling Arrests > >On February 12th, Canadian citizens Edward Moore and Jason Bicknell used >two stolen snowmobiles to tow a johnboat 25 miles over snow-packed >Canadian forest roads and across the international border into the park. >The men hid the snowmobiles in the forest and boated another 20 miles to >the south end of Ross Lake, where they cached $50,000 worth of >high-grade "BC Bud" marijuana. They then attempted to return to Canada >under the cover of darkness and snow, but were intercepted by district >ranger Hugh Dougher and Whatcom county deputy sheriff Mark Lann, who >made a felony boat stop. Moore and Bicknell had in their possession two >life jackets with "NPS Park Ranger" stenciled on them, sophisticated >radio/scanners, a GPS unit, and quality backcountry gear. Ranger >Marshall Plumer played a key role in > the apprehension; Customs, Border Patrol, and RCMP officers provided >additional backup and investigative support. The two men are now in >jail, and all their equipment has been seized. The snowmobiles were >removed from the backcountry by helicopter the next morning. Moore has >an extensive criminal history, including strong-arm robbery and prison >escape, and the RCMP discovered burglar tools in Bicknell's truck. >Preliminary investigation indicates Moore and Bicknell are part of a >criminal organization that was attempting to establish a pipeline to >smuggle large quantities of marijuana through the park over the next >couple of months. Ross Lake is an established smuggling route, with >movement of drugs, money, and aliens occurring by foot, bicycle, > kayak, powerboat, and now snowmobile. About four years ago, Plumer >apprehended Abu Meser, a Palestinian terrorist, along this route. Meser >was subsequently wounded in a SWAT raid in New York City. This is the >second pair of smugglers arrested this winter - the previous pair were >armed. [Pete Cowan, CR, NOCA, 2/14] > ************************* Good story...but once again the media failed to point out that the supposed "sophisticated radio/scanners" did NOT prevent these guys from being arrested. Which seems to me to make their possession of scanners as irrelevant to the staory as the brand of backpacking equipment or having a GPS. They had scanners. They got busted anyway. The police and media just LOVE to announce when the crooks "had a scanner," they do it all the time, but I have yet to see one article that points out this obvious irrelevancy. Drives me nuts! Harry Marnell http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/officer.htm <~~LAPD North Hollywood Shootout audio **************** From: Brian Varine >That is the point they always fail to mention. If you really want to know >whats going on and where the cops are, you can use Trunker, a Trunktracker, >and a PocFlex decoder with brutal accuracy....the problem is your so busy >scanning and decoding you don't have time to commit a crime. ************ From: Harry Marnell - HWMA To: NorthWest SCANner enthusiasts Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 13:03 Subject: Re: Criminals Using Scanners (not AGAIN!) >They should have headlined the article "Scanners Don't Impede Police in >Major >Drug Bust at Ross Lake" > >Harry ------------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------------ From: David Pinero Hi all, I just signed up with this list and want to say what a great idea it is. I run a website devoted to calling attention to public safety departments that are going closed at http://www.openness.org , and have mentioned this listserv on our Headlines page. Public safety is gradually taking note of the positive aspects of keeping key parts of their radio communication streams open. Public access policies have been drawn up to specifically address the issue and I think there will be more as the momentum of digitalization increases. One story I can contribute right away is one that happened two summers ago! I was in my studio apartment typing at my computer when I overheard a police officer in my district report seeing smoke in the area adjacent to my apartment window! The officer reported to dispatch that he was going to investigate, but as I was already there and quite alarmed I opened my front door and was instantly hit in the face with thick blue smoke! I stepped out to find that an entire fence just yards from my window was engulfed in flames, and some apartment complex servicemen were desperately trying to put the inferno out with a garden hoses! I shouted if anyone had called 911 yet and they advised me to do so, which I most certainly did with my cell phone. The police officer showed up some five minutes later (though it seems to me after the fire department if I recall correctly). This is an example of how open broadcasting even the basic patrol channels can directly inform a community for the better. Certainly this was not something I could have relied on the media for, nor would they have likely reported. The fire was actually a minor brush fire that had simply spread to the long wooden fence. However, the proximity to my apartment building was alarming! I have posted my experience and photos of this event at: http://members.aol.com/truth4000/gallery.htm I hope to hear some great stories from this listserv. I would also hope that those who care enough about promoting public access policies would join our list by e-mailing a blank message to: openness-subscribe@... 24 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 0:20am Subject: CHAT is now available marnells@... Send Email Send Email the Chat feature is now available for everyone with java-enabled browsers. Just go to http://www.onelist.com/chat/scan4good Once you're in there, there's a list of all the onelist groups you belong to, and how many folks are in THEIR chatrooms...you can switch from room to room as you please...looks pretty cool. Harry 25 From: Geffery Curtis Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 8:17am Subject: Re: CHAT is now available geffcurtis@... Send Email Send Email harry how bout setting up a chat a day ahead so we can make plans to be online Just a thought ===== Geffery Curtis Geffcurtis@... HTTP://www.geocities.com/geffcurtis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com 26 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Feb 26, 2000 3:27pm Subject: Newspaper Site Lists Freqs zerg90@... Send Email Send Email The Concord Monitor of Concord NH lists scanner freqs on their website under Community Info. Check them out at www.concordmonitor.com/index/commnews.shtml Peter S 27 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Feb 26, 2000 6:10pm Subject: LAFD's plans for online audio & CAD marnells@... Send Email Send Email Some good news about upcoming (... though not immediately.....) stuff from LA City Fire Department at http://www.lafd.org/audio.htm and http://207.174.103.157/demos.html Harry LAPD Comms Stuff at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm 28 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 1:57pm Subject: Fw: [Dispatch] Police & Internet marnells@... Send Email Send Email sort of related... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 02:47 Subject: [Dispatch] Police & Internet From: "Richard" Full Story: http://www.nando.net/24hour/adn/technology/story/0,1976,500178168-500233501- 50 1143263-0,00.html Police aided by Internet Copyright © 2000 Nando Media Copyright © 2000 Scripps Howard News Service (March 8, 2000 9:50 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - In Los Angeles, the sheriff's department uses a satellite system to pinpoint where gunshots occur in one high-crime area. In Oakland, Calif., the public can use the Internet to see "crime maps" for their neighborhood. And in Maine, police employed a computer to alert the citizenry that a violent burglar was on the loose. In these ways and others, the high-tech revolution is changing local policing, as a cruise along the Internet shows. Police departments across the country are using computers to create crime maps that allow officers to see patterns of criminal activity and deploy their manpower accordingly. In Oakland, the city goes a step further by making those maps public. Any citizen can log on to the Internet, call up www.oaklandnet.com and see in an instant what crimes have happened where in Oakland. While some departments are leery of sharing such information, partially because it could engender more citizen demands for police presence, Oakland sees it as a crime prevention tool. --------------- Weintraut ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/975/0/_/18793/_/952602308/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 29 From: David Pinero Date: Sun Mar 12, 2000 2:49am Subject: The Seattle Example tdave365@... Send Email Send Email The following message was originally transmitted across another list. I'm cutting and pasting, so please disregard the reference to some previous discussion on open access policies which did not occur on this list: As you all know there was a flurry of list activity recently centering around the published commitments by some public safety entities to preserve civilian access to its communications systems. A copy of the best example of such a commitment, the Seattle Citizen Access Plan, was recently sent to me through the good efforts of Alan Henney. In turn, I have scanned all 24 documents of the plan which I feel exemplifies a positive policy preservation approach. The plan can be reviewed online at the following URL: http://members.xoom.com/tdave365 This plan is not perfect, but at LEAST exists...in WRITING. It is a thoughtful address to Seattle area scannists, a realization of the value and perhaps need for citizen-based monitors, and a model for other administrations looking into such a solution themselves. The Seattle Plan demonstrates that there is a middle ground if there is at least a sincere will to work with scannists. A link to these documents also appears as a headline at www.opeNNess.org. Dave ===== David Pinero, Tampa, Florida. (813)971-4347 http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin ======================================================= 'Not everyone has special knowledge, but everyone has a special experience.' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com 30 From: David Pinero Date: Thu Mar 23, 2000 6:27pm Subject: Bug Guys Use Scanner to Help Police tdave365@... Send Email Send Email Springdale: 3 rob video store of $20,000 in jewelry; third time in a year shop has been hit ANDY DAVIS ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE SPRINGDALE -- Three men robbed a Spanish-language video store at gunpoint Wednesday afternoon, making off with about $20,000 in jewelry and $250 in cash. It was the third time Video Universal has been robbed in about a year, said the owner, Margarita Soto. According to police and witness accounts, one robber waited on Young Street behind Video Universal in a sky-blue Toyota Celica while two others entered the store. The men, whom Soto said are occasional customers, browsed videos for a few minutes before one of them pulled a high-powered, 9mm rifle from his black trench coat and demanded money. "Of course she couldn't believe it," said Soto's sister Yolanda, translating for Soto. "It was like she was in another world." Margarita Soto pressed a panic alarm that alerted police at 2:17 p.m. Her brother Adan passed the men as they were leaving and chased them to their car. Two Rid-a-Pest exterminators, who were listening to a police scanner, saw the robbers throw the gun from the car on Carley Road, about 100 yards south of Chapman Avenue, said Police Department spokesman Del Atkinson. The exterminators put on rubber gloves and took the gun to detectives at the crime scene. Soto said the gunman had a mustache and whiskers and wore a dark stocking cap. Police were looking for a sky-blue Celica with a black or primer-colored trunk, a black hood and an Oklahoma license plate. Soto, whose family owns the Taqueria Mexico restaurants and another video store in Fayetteville, said her store was burglarized twice last year -- once about a year ago, and again about three months later. The store, behind a Taqueria Mexico on Thompson Street, sells Spanish-language videos and CDs and clothes. Soto said the robbers took a 14-karat gold necklace and several rings, bracelets and earrings. This article was published on Thursday, March 23, 2000 ===== ======================================================= David Pinero, Tampa, Florida. The Tampa Kaboom - The "Other" Side of News In Tampa http://tampakaboom.webjump.com ======================================================= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com 31 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 9:48am Subject: (No subject) marnells@... Send Email Send Email Anyone who's spent any time at all contending with Los Angeles/Southern California traffic has no doubt heard LAPD or CHP "SigAlert" traffic advisories over the radio. If you've wondered what the heck this "Sig" stuff means, check out my new page at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/sigalert.htm While you're there, check out the links to CalTrans' new Traffic Camera site among others.... Harry Marnell, N6URU http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells 32 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 2:07am Subject: Fw: Scanners are illegal in vehicles in Michigan, Your help is needed to change this law. marnells@... Send Email Send Email I forward the following email I've received about what would appear to be an excessively strict anti-scanner statute in Michigan. ----- Original Message ----- From: mbajek000@email.msn.com To: marnells@snowcrest.net Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 19:07 Subject: Scanners are illegal in vehicles in Michigan, Your help is needed to change this law. Dear Mr. Marnell; I am writing you in an attempt to gain your support to change a law in Michigan. MCL750.508 prohibits possession in a vehicle of any radio that is capable of receiving PSB frequencies. (including some amateur gear) I was nearly arrested for this law in January, it is enforced. NASCAR season starts in June,lots of scanners...tourists have no idea this law is on the books, I didn't know about the law until I was involved in a traffic stop. (ignorance is no excuse). The scanner was on the seat next to me. Once the officer saw the scanner, I was asked to exit my vehicle, frisked twice and placed in the rear of a police car, While my vehicle and contents were searched for further"contraband" None found. If you have the time please visit this post: http://strongsignals.net/wwwboard/messages/10832.html it contains a copy of MCL750.508, My views and a plea to the radio community to alter the law. It contains some comments midway into the text that may offend the amateur community...Please take these in the spirit in which they are intended.. It is only to impress the point...that the law is discriminatory in nature.... I understand the State police may let Hams have possession due to the service some offer during emergencies..I value this sacrifice also. However I just wish to listen, not transmit and see no need to seek an FCC license (tech) or permission of the state to do so. The general public is not allowed to even ask for a permit. Tourists entering Michigan are not aware, and are in peril of running afoul of this law. If you agree with the sentiments of the posting, please warn the radio community, and if possible help change the law. As it stands now, no Michigan resident can take a scanner anywhere, even to a local airport to listen to ATIS or tower freqs....(it cannot even be packed into your luggage for the trip to the airport) or driven to the Ohio border where scanning is legal. Thank you for your time...Tourist's letters carry very much weight. Mark Bajek Westland,MI MBajek000@msn.com 33 From: Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 7:23am Subject: Re: Fw: Scanners are illegal in vehicles in Michigan, Your help is needed to change this law. kc8ffv@... Send Email Send Email As a resident of michigan I can tell you There is not a problem transporting a police scanner around the area in your car as long as it is not turned on unless of course you have a permit and or a ham license.. As for getting a permit from state that isnt a problem.. I have alot of friends who are not hams or cops and have a permit with out a problem. o well just my 2 cents ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Marnell" To: ; ; "bayscan@onelist" ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: [scan4good] Fw: Scanners are illegal in vehicles in Michigan, Your help is needed to change this law. I forward the following email I've received about what would appear to be an excessively strict anti-scanner statute in Michigan. ----- Original Message ----- From: mbajek000@... To: marnells@... Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 19:07 Subject: Scanners are illegal in vehicles in Michigan, Your help is needed to change this law. Dear Mr. Marnell; I am writing you in an attempt to gain your support to change a law in Michigan. MCL750.508 prohibits possession in a vehicle of any radio that is capable of receiving PSB frequencies. (including some amateur gear) I was nearly arrested for this law in January, it is enforced. NASCAR season starts in June,lots of scanners...tourists have no idea this law is on the books, I didn't know about the law until I was involved in a traffic stop. (ignorance is no excuse). The scanner was on the seat next to me. Once the officer saw the scanner, I was asked to exit my vehicle, frisked twice and placed in the rear of a police car, While my vehicle and contents were searched for further"contraband" None found. If you have the time please visit this post: http://strongsignals.net/wwwboard/messages/10832.html it contains a copy of MCL750.508, My views and a plea to the radio community to alter the law. It contains some comments midway into the text that may offend the amateur community...Please take these in the spirit in which they are intended.. It is only to impress the point...that the law is discriminatory in nature.... I understand the State police may let Hams have possession due to the service some offer during emergencies..I value this sacrifice also. However I just wish to listen, not transmit and see no need to seek an FCC license (tech) or permission of the state to do so. The general public is not allowed to even ask for a permit. Tourists entering Michigan are not aware, and are in peril of running afoul of this law. If you agree with the sentiments of the posting, please warn the radio community, and if possible help change the law. As it stands now, no Michigan resident can take a scanner anywhere, even to a local airport to listen to ATIS or tower freqs....(it cannot even be packed into your luggage for the trip to the airport) or driven to the Ohio border where scanning is legal. Thank you for your time...Tourist's letters carry very much weight. Mark Bajek Westland,MI MBajek000@... 34 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 4:55pm Subject: Re: [SCANnorCAL] RE: [bayscan] Fw: Scanners are illegal in vehicles in Michigan, Y our help is needed to change this law. marnells@... Send Email Send Email It's SCANNERS, Bob! Doesn't matter. The main thread is on scan-l, so I'm not crossposting it to the California groups...lets all go over to "scan-l" with it... harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fletcher, Robert L SPK" To: Cc: ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 09:47 Subject: [SCANnorCAL] RE: [bayscan] Fw: Scanners are illegal in vehicles in Michigan, Y our help is needed to change this law. | What about if you just listen to rail/light rail freqs? | | BOB FLETCHER 35 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 5:03pm Subject: scan-L list info marnells@... Send Email Send Email Peter Laws' Scan-L was probably the first nationwide scanning email list...and it's still very popular. In MY opinion, it's the best list around for issues that have nationwide significance, but the local lists are better for local frequencies, discussions, etc. Scan-L used to get clogged up with local trivia from here and there, and lost some of its appeal for a while. For subscribing info, go to http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?SUBED1=scan-l&A=1 harry 36 From: jimmnn@... Date: Mon May 1, 2000 10:16pm Subject: (No subject) jimmnn@... Send Email Send Email subscribe 37 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu May 4, 2000 2:27pm Subject: New Fed Info zerg90@... Send Email Send Email There is not directly scanner related but it does give a little insight into the current Federal thinking about encryption and wiretaps. ------------------------------------------ Subject: 2000-05-02 Statement by the President on Signing S 1769 THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary -------------------------------------- For Immediate Release May 2, 2000 STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT Today I signed into law S. 1769, a bill to continue a number of existing Federal reports scheduled to expire on May 15 of this year, as well as modify certain reporting requirements related to two of these reports. New section 2519(2)(b)(iv) of title 18 of the United States Code provides for general reporting by the Department of Justice of law enforcement encounters with encrypted communications in the execution of wiretap orders. In signing S. 1769, I state my understanding that the reporting required by section 2519(2)(b)(iv) is limited to general aggregate data concerning the total number of times law enforcement encountered encryption and the total number of instances in which encryption prevented access to plain text. The reporting requirement of S. 1769 does not require specific case-by-case or order-by-order reporting, which could jeopardize law enforcement sources and methods and provide clear direction to criminals seeking to use encryption to hide their unlawful conduct. WILLIAM J. CLINTON THE WHITE HOUSE, May 2, 2000. # # # =============================== Imagine - the words "unlawful conduct" right next to the words "William Clinton" :-) Did you see "West Wing" last nite? ...."and to think that I have 24 armed guards right outside my door" :-)very funny 38 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Jun 2, 2000 5:36am Subject: Dunsmuir/Siskiyou County (CA) Frequencies & audio files marnells@... Send Email Send Email Dunsmuir (CA) Fire Dept has a list of the main public safety frequencies in Siskiyou County, as well as some fire audio files, etc, at http://www.home.inreach.com/dunsmrfd/ Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells 39 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 10:35pm Subject: Fw: [fireradio] OR Kids Make Radio Rescue marnells@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 13:17 Subject: [fireradio] OR Kids Make Radio Rescue Hello 911 - my kids just heard someone calling for help on their toy walkie-talkies from 70 miles away - Oh sure they did. Yeah - they did. =============================== Boy with walkie-talkie saves stranded climbers on mountain The Associated Press 6/21/00 4:03 AM SANDY, Ore. (AP) -- Fletcher Wold was playing with his younger brother on a hilltop near their home when the 7-year-old boy heard a voice crackling over the walkie-talkie he had received as a Christmas present. "It was kind of scratchy," Fletcher said. "The man said he was on Mount Hood and he was hurt." Five hours after being hit by a rockfall Tuesday morning, two injured climbers using two-way radios had finally reached someone with their pleas for help. Fletcher ran and found his father on their rural property in McMinnville, about 70 miles away from the northwest side of the mountain, where the climbers were stranded. The father contacted authorities, who dispatched an Air Force Reserve helicopter that rescued the climbers at about 5 p.m. "I was surprised nobody else had heard them all that time," said Fletcher's father, Mike Wold. "I guess it all has to do with line of sight -- we're high on a hill with a great view of the mountain." Both climbers were listed in fair condition Tuesday night at Legacy Emanuel Hospital. Jim Clark, 38, had a hip injury and Iain Morris, 23, a hand injury. Their hometowns were unavailable. A helicopter from the Air Force Reserve's 939th Rescue Wing flew to the mountain with a six-person crew. Staff Sgt. Dean Dilday said Morris had managed to drag Clark about 1,000 feet down the mountain on a tarp, putting them out of the way of more rocks. Paramedics were lowered from the helicopter to the snow-covered slope, and the climbers were hoisted up. Search officials said the two were climbing the mountain by the Sandy Glacier Headwall route on the northwest side when the rocks hit them at about 7:30 a.m. at 8,000 feet. Fletcher and his brother Parker, 5, got the $80 Radio Shack walkie-talkies from their father last Christmas. "They're always off in the woods roaming around, and we got them to keep in touch," Wold said. "I keep one, and they keep the other." The walkie-talkies, officially called personal communicators, are increasingly popular with hikers, sportsman and families who want to stay in touch in the outdoors, according to Radio Shack officials. They use a license-free frequency band for the Family Radio Service, newly created by the Federal Communications Commission. The walkie-talkies have only a two-mile range. But from high up Mount Hood, with no obstructions, signals from the climbers' radios could reach even farther than McMinnville, according to Clackamas County Deputy Chris Nolte. It was Fletcher who made the difference, however, according to police. "If it wasn't for Fletcher, they might still be up there waiting for help," Deputy Angela Blanchard said. "He saved their lives." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! http://click.egroups.com/1/2658/0/_/517161/_/961618649/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 40 From: bwinstead Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 1:44pm Subject: FS/FA: Perfect PRO-2042 1000 Ch Base Scanner winstead@... Send Email Send Email For sale @ $275 shipped via Priority Mail (U.S.) as long as there are no bids @ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=367690347 or, certainly, you may bid. Once a bid exists the sale offer is void for fairness purposes. Take a quick peek! Auction ends Sunday. Reply to winstead@... Thanks. 41 From: Keith Rhino Veeder Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 1:03am Subject: I justs joined these lists this morning zenpagan@... Send Email Send Email I apologize for the crossposting, but it was easier for me this way to do it all at once. I assure you, I am not a spammer. Greetings to you all. As my website states, I listen to the WSYR newroom scanners for breaking news stories, and have access to many frequencies in the central New York area. I have frequencies for police, fire, a state prison, airport approachs/rescue/ground control, various security companies, three television news departments, and Conrail. I would be perfectly happy to exchange with anyone else in central New York. I have come to enjoy the scanners, and will soon be purchasing a mobile scanner. Looks like I have another hobby. Looking foward to lots of discussion on these lists. The Rambling Thoughts of a Sleep Deprived Rhino http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/zenpagan ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 42 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Aug 5, 2000 7:42am Subject: LAFD is definitely scanner-friendly marnells@... Send Email Send Email L.A. City Fire Department is certainly way ahead of most other agencies I'm aware of in actually INVITING citizens to monitor them and even to participate in Communications-related activities. A coupleof their pages to check out: http://www.lafd.org/audio.htm "Live Streaming Audio" (plans). Included is info on their digitized voice dispatching system, with the highlighted line: "Our change to the digitized human voice for alerting our Fire Stations has no effect whatsoever on your ability to monitor LAFD tactical channels on a scanner radio." and "The LAFD operates a fully repeated radio system. All of our routine tactical voice communications can be monitored almost anywhere in Southern California. All that is required is a readily available 800 MHz scanner radio. We encourage those living in or visiting Los Angeles to network with local monitoring enthusiasts < http://www.socalscanner.com/ > for more information. To make things easier, we are happy to provide a complete list of LAFD (800 Mhz NON-trunked) Voice Radio Frequencies < http://www.lafd.org/freqncy.htm > to program into your scanner radio." And their Amateur Radio "Auxiliary Communications System" page at http://www.lafd.org/acs.htm which says, "Those who are in Los Angeles and would like to participate or monitor, the LAFD ACS Radio Net operates each Monday night at 7:30 PM local time. Those interested can check in on or listen to: 147.30 MHz (+) PL-110 -or- 224.68 MHz (-) PL-114" -- Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells <~~radios, trains, cop stuff, etc 43 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Aug 5, 2000 6:55pm Subject: Fw: scanner situation (fwd) marnells@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFFREY MICHAEL KENYON" To: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 11:03 Subject: [scan-l] [SCANNIST] scanner situation (fwd) Subject: [SCANNIST] scanner situation Hello to all on the lists. I just thought I would pass allong this scanner story or will you call it situation that happened last night while I was out in my yare. At about 1:00 this morning I heard what sounded like a small child yelling "help" three times in about 10 minutes. After that I wwnt in and aalled the police and fortunately my 235's batteries were all charged and everything so I turned it on to see if they found anything. They put the call out and a policeman came to the house and I knew he was coming because of my scanner, and I just met him out on the street and he got my information. I was carrying my white cane and my scanner on my belt and told hths new officer that I had contactw within the department, but I guess that I'm not sure as wo whether or not this would be an extracfor scanner listeners or would it make us look bad? After thinking a while I thought that it could have meant one of two things and one would have just been that the officer probably assumed that since I sometimes work with the radio people I would have a scanner, but another thing that I hope that they didn't think was that I am just some person out for a little Friday night thrill. I know that what I heard was what I heard and I just couldn't leave it unchedked, but I can't help but wonder whether or not I should have used my scanner or not. Any feedback would be appreciated, and thanks in advance. --- Real scannists post to: SCANNIST@... 44 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:19am Subject: Re: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests marnells@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crady Computer" To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 12:53 Subject: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests > Cops just don't like scanner enthusiasts... Period! ... .... They usually take a stereotypical attitude when they > know you're listening to them. > HUH? Now, didn't YOU just make a stereotypical statement about cops??? I don't think you can lump all cops like that any more than you could say all scanner enthusiasts are law-abiding....or that all scanner enthusiasts are criminals. You get all kinds of people in every "group." I've personally never had any particularly negative experiences with police when they've seen my scanner. (Contrary to what some one suggested yesterday that I'm "paranoid") But I don't flaunt it, either. Years ago an LA County Deputy Sheriff (who are - stereotypically - notorious for being Adam Henries), stopped me for rolling thru a stop sign, a "California" or "Hollywood" stop. As he was talking to me he saw the scanner (a Bearcat 210, so musta been mid 70s) under my dash and asked, "Is that a scanner?" "Yes" "Oh, are you listening to us?" Then I think I hurt his feelings: "No, I never listen to LASO, you're too boring and that 'busy signal' when the units transmit drives me nuts. I don't even program you guys in. Mostly LAPD and the fire departments." "Oh, OK. (he was trying to suppress a giggle) Well I'm citing you for running that stop sign...sign here please..." and that was that. ---- Then a couple years ago a lone CHP officer stopped me late at night on a mountain road for having severely expired tags...like 5 months old. Similar question, "Is that a scanner or are you a ham operator?" Me: "It's a ham radio." CHP: "I thought so, looked like a 5/8 wave on your trunk, I knew it wasn't a CB antenna" Me: "Yea, 2 meters." CHP: "What's your callsign?" Me: "N6URU...are you a ham?" CHP: "Yep, KC6 - (something or other). Oh, Trinity Sheriff's changed their frequency through here, you know." Me: "Yea, 154.86?" CHP: "I think so...here's your citation, you can probably handle it by mail when you get your tags. Drive carefully..." ------ I believe that I acted reasonably, and both of these men did too, so the scanner was a non-issue both times. IMHO Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells <~~radios, trains, cop stuff, etc 45 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 10:41pm Subject: SCANNER LISTENER HELPS PD worksntv@... Send Email Send Email The prisoner who escaped the custody of city police Tuesday evening was the fourth in the last 14 months. Police Chief James Klee called the escapes embarrassing to the department and said he plans to take steps to limit the chance of another one. http://www.nepanews.com/stories/08032000/home/393.htm What is not widely known is that a scanner listener helped police nab the bad guy--A neighbor listening to police look for the escapee heard the description--saw the suspect on his street and called the pd!!! Save this for the next time you hear someone argue that the public shouldn't have free access to public safety comms Bob 46 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:14am Subject: Re: LAFD is definitely scanner-friendly marnells@... Send Email Send Email It's hard to judge the differences between the U.S. and South Africa, since I know virtually nothing about your country's history, especially in the political realm. In a nutshell, the U.S. was created by mostly British colonists, many of whom had fled England for religious or other freedom. So from the beginning I guess we've had a strong, inbred leaning toward individual freedom, even despite the occasional problems when freedom is confused for "license" to do ANYTHING: anarchy. One frequent contributor to some of the radio email groups has a reference in his "signature line" to a statement made by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, ""Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritative regime." So, at least until now anyway, we've managed to hang on to most of our rights to listen to our scanners. It's now illegal to monitor cellular or cordless phone calls, though, as well as pagers, and a few other esoteric types of transmissions. Hopefully the other fellow is wrong, and we won't lose all listening rights. I suppose there are a number of reasons offered for prohibiting scanner listening, but I wonder if many times the real reason is to keep government's activities secret, lest shortcomings, mistakes, corruption, etc become public knowledge. I can understand the "need" to keep certain police activities secret, such as surveillance of truly dangerous persons and activities, and generally when officer or victims' safety is likely an issue. Two such circumstances might be imminent raids of potentially dangerous locations, and communications regarding a hostage or kidnapping incident. Also, some people assert that police radio calls are often filled with information about totally innocent people, and may be misinterpreted or may place these people in some danger. I can think of domestic violence situations, where the officer may be directed to the victim's location...a location where she (or he) is hiding from the suspect. I'm sure there are other similar examples, where personal safety or privacy concerns might arise. However, having been a scanner listener since the 1950's (before they even "scanned"), and also a police and fire dispatcher, I know for a fact that the overwhelming majority of police radio traffic doesn't fall at all under those scenarios. They're about traffic collisions and violations, robberies that have already occurred, non-violent civil disputes, "cold" crimes of various types...stuff that is neither "sensitive" nor even very interesting to most people. Fire and EMS radio frequencies would seem equally innocuous in most all circumstances. Criminal activity or privacy issues are seldom involved in these broadcasts. I have seen no statistics about it, but I suspect that, as much as we American scanner listeners like to complain about the government threatening our hobby, our country is probably among the least restrictive in this regard. I would be curious if anyone has compiled some sort of information about scanning laws worldwide. Even within the U.S., by the way, scanner laws vary quite a bit from state to state. I refer you to http://www.panix.com/~clay/scanning/rules.shtml and http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/scanlaws/ as examples of how nit-picky we sometimes become! Finally, and I'm too tired to re-write the last paragraph, I just came across a site that's intending to list scanning laws for countries around the world...perhaps you could advise them of South Africa's laws; it's at http://www.strongsignals.net/htm/laws.htm Whew! -- Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells <~~radios, trains, cop stuff, etc "Stefan Viljoen" wrote in message news:8mji2u$fvh$2@.... > > Harry Marnell wrote in message > news:8mggp8$cpt$1@.... > > L.A. City Fire Department is certainly way ahead of most other agencies > I'm > > aware of in actually INVITING citizens to monitor them and even to > > participate in Communications-related activities. > > > > This is amazing - scanning is actually illegal in South Africa, and you can > get a jail term for doing it... > > Why do you think it is not the same in the US? I cannot see a problem with > it - especially since on our channel we use a set of radio codes that nobody > who is not trained will not understand anyway? > > I have never been able to see the use of such a law preventing it... > > Stefan Viljoen > F/EMS Dispatcher > Potchefstroom Emergency Services > South Africa > -- > Starwars Forever!!! > > mailto:Stefan_Viljoen@... > http://home.intekom.com/rylan/ > L.A. City Fire Department is certainly way ahead of most other agencies I'm aware of in actually INVITING citizens to monitor them and even to participate in Communications-related activities. A coupleof their pages to check out: http://www.lafd.org/audio.htm "Live Streaming Audio" (plans). Included is info on their digitized voice dispatching system, with the highlighted line: "Our change to the digitized human voice for alerting our Fire Stations has no effect whatsoever on your ability to monitor LAFD tactical channels on a scanner radio." and "The LAFD operates a fully repeated radio system. All of our routine tactical voice communications can be monitored almost anywhere in Southern California. All that is required is a readily available 800 MHz scanner radio. We encourage those living in or visiting Los Angeles to network with local monitoring enthusiasts < http://www.socalscanner.com/ > for more information. To make things easier, we are happy to provide a complete list of LAFD (800 Mhz NON-trunked) Voice Radio Frequencies < http://www.lafd.org/freqncy.htm > to program into your scanner radio." And their Amateur Radio "Auxiliary Communications System" page at http://www.lafd.org/acs.htm which says, "Those who are in Los Angeles and would like to participate or monitor, the LAFD ACS Radio Net operates each Monday night at 7:30 PM local time. Those interested can check in on or listen to: 147.30 MHz (+) PL-110 -or- 224.68 MHz (-) PL-114" > 47 From: JEFFREY MICHAEL KENYON Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 5:10am Subject: Re: Re: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests at649@... Send Email Send Email Hi, I don't want to sound negative about this, and I never have but see my posting on the other lists regariing fantom radio in Detroit that is going on as I type now. Well, it is quiet now and the system is back in repeat but could it be that the person sausing the trouble may have some budies with scanners? On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Harry Marnell wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Crady Computer" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 12:53 > Subject: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests > > > > Cops just don't like scanner enthusiasts... Period! ... .... They > usually take a stereotypical attitude when they > > know you're listening to them. > > > > HUH? Now, didn't YOU just make a stereotypical statement about cops??? I > don't think you can lump all cops like that any more than you could say all > scanner enthusiasts are law-abiding....or that all scanner enthusiasts are > criminals. You get all kinds of people in every "group." > > I've personally never had any particularly negative experiences with police > when they've seen my scanner. (Contrary to what some one suggested > yesterday that I'm "paranoid") But I don't flaunt it, either. > > Years ago an LA County Deputy Sheriff (who are - stereotypically - notorious > for being Adam Henries), stopped me for rolling thru a stop sign, a > "California" or "Hollywood" stop. As he was talking to me he saw the > scanner (a Bearcat 210, so musta been mid 70s) under my dash and asked, "Is > that a scanner?" > "Yes" > "Oh, are you listening to us?" > Then I think I hurt his feelings: "No, I never listen to LASO, you're too > boring and that 'busy signal' when the units transmit drives me nuts. I > don't even program you guys in. Mostly LAPD and the fire departments." > "Oh, OK. (he was trying to suppress a giggle) Well I'm citing you for > running that stop sign...sign here please..." and that was that. > > ---- > > Then a couple years ago a lone CHP officer stopped me late at night on a > mountain road for having severely expired tags...like 5 months old. Similar > question, "Is that a scanner or are you a ham operator?" > Me: "It's a ham radio." > CHP: "I thought so, looked like a 5/8 wave on your trunk, I knew it wasn't > a CB antenna" > Me: "Yea, 2 meters." > CHP: "What's your callsign?" > Me: "N6URU...are you a ham?" > CHP: "Yep, KC6 - (something or other). Oh, Trinity Sheriff's changed their > frequency through here, you know." > Me: "Yea, 154.86?" > CHP: "I think so...here's your citation, you can probably handle it by mail > when you get your tags. Drive carefully..." > > ------ > > I believe that I acted reasonably, and both of these men did too, so the > scanner was a non-issue both times. > > IMHO > > Harry > http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells <~~radios, trains, cop stuff, etc > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > 48 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 1:29pm Subject: Re: Re: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests zerg90@... Send Email Send Email So I suppose the smart way to play this is - if you have a scanner and are stopped by the cops, tell them that it is a ham radio. If the cop doesn't know anything about radios, you are all set. If she does know about radios, then just tell him you are practicing the "scan4good evasion protocol" and tell him how he can sign up for the list :-) Peter S 49 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:43pm Subject: Re: Re: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests marnells@... Send Email Send Email Hey, Peter...you mocking me???? And after all I've done for (and TO) you. harry (sniffle) :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 06:29 Subject: Re: [scan4good] Re: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests So I suppose the smart way to play this is - if you have a scanner and are stopped by the cops, tell them that it is a ham radio. If the cop doesn't know anything about radios, you are all set. If she does know about radios, then just tell him you are practicing the "scan4good evasion protocol" and tell him how he can sign up for the list :-) Peter S Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good 50 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:09pm Subject: Re: Re: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests zerg90@... Send Email Send Email Actually - I was kinda serious. This discussion has been good - but it seems that it is a 50/50 proposition - if you get stopped by a cop, maybe a scanner will help you - maybe it will hurt you. I am dying to spill the beans about something I was involved in the other day. But lets just say that I live in a one party state where the top politician has a murderous gangster for a brother ( and the FBI just cant seem to find him anywhere.) Am I leary of the local police, State Police, DAs, and feds? YOU BET I AM! Peter S 51 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:21pm Subject: Re: Re: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests marnells@... Send Email Send Email Yep...I think my barrage of posts (more have gone to another list) has been about 50/50 about it....my experiences have been much more "positive" probably than many. I'll find them and zip them over to you...to show off my fine writing style if nothing else! harry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 08:09 Subject: Re: [scan4good] Re: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests Actually - I was kinda serious. This discussion has been good - but it seems that it is a 50/50 proposition - if you get stopped by a cop, maybe a scanner will help you - maybe it will hurt you. I am dying to spill the beans about something I was involved in the other day. But lets just say that I live in a one party state where the top politician has a murderous gangster for a brother ( and the FBI just cant seem to find him anywhere.) Am I leary of the local police, State Police, DAs, and feds? YOU BET I AM! Peter S Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good 52 From: rickdom@... Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:28pm Subject: Re: Re: [scan-l] Cops & Scanner enthusiests rickdom@... Send Email Send Email I have been stopped by policemen and sheriff deputies for minor traffic violations and had my scanner with me. In all cases I turned off the scanner but kept it in plain sight. In every case the officer asked me if it was a scanner. And I said it was. The only question I've had is if I knew the scanner laws. I replied yes and explained what I knew. No problems. I was courteous. May be it is the attitude I had towards the officer. Or we have good law enforcement in Bakersfield and Kern County. Just my 2 cents worth. Richard. 53 From: Will Sperling Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:48pm Subject: Re:[1] Cops & Scanner enthusiests wa9yhx@... Send Email Send Email At 09:29 AM 08/07/2000 -0400, zerg90@... wrote: >So I suppose the smart way to play this is - if you have a scanner and are >stopped by the cops, tell them that it is a ham radio. If the cop doesn't >know anything about radios, you are all set. If she does know about >radios, then just tell him you are practicing the "scan4good evasion >protocol" and tell him how he can sign up for the list :-) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a "cop," and have been in law enforcement for close to 30 years. It all depends on who stops you, and what their "intention" may be. Although I've met some really nice folks who are "radio people" (hams, scanner enthusiasts, cb'ers, etc.) I'm the one who initiates the dialog between traffic violator and me. However, some of the less "tech-challenged" officers see any kind of radio as a "subterfuge," and indication that the person being stopped is up to no good, and is breaking the law. Those guys are few and far between, and to be quite honest with you, I wouldn't want to be stopped by "them." Naturally, I keep my eyes on cars/trucks with lots of antennas, on the premise that the person operating the vehicle is interested in communications for career, or hobby communications. I will not, and have never pulled over with my red lights anyone just to see what they "have," or to strike up a conversation. OTOH, if they are pulling into a parking space, or a driveway, one few occasions, I have courteously identified myself (with ham callsign or a friendly "I'm not here because you did anything wrong") and have met some really nice people, who have become friends to me. Will Sperling, Patrol Officer/Youth Specialist Woodridge, Illinois, USA, Municipal Police Department Serving Proudly Since 1971 Home Email: WA9YHX@... /or/ WA9YHX@... PD Email: WSperling@... My Homepage: http://members.aol.com/wa9yhx 54 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:07pm Subject: Re: Re:[1] Cops & Scanner enthusiests marnells@... Send Email Send Email Very well put, Will. I think you not quite as much the "exception" some folks would think. Would you say it not the scanner nearly as much as the attitude of BOTH parties? Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Sperling" To: ; Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 08:48 Subject: [scan4good] Re:[1] Cops & Scanner enthusiests At 09:29 AM 08/07/2000 -0400, zerg90@... wrote: >So I suppose the smart way to play this is - if you have a scanner and are >stopped by the cops, tell them that it is a ham radio. If the cop doesn't >know anything about radios, you are all set. If she does know about >radios, then just tell him you are practicing the "scan4good evasion >protocol" and tell him how he can sign up for the list :-) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a "cop," and have been in law enforcement for close to 30 years. It all depends on who stops you, and what their "intention" may be. Although I've met some really nice folks who are "radio people" (hams, scanner enthusiasts, cb'ers, etc.) I'm the one who initiates the dialog between traffic violator and me. However, some of the less "tech-challenged" officers see any kind of radio as a "subterfuge," and indication that the person being stopped is up to no good, and is breaking the law. Those guys are few and far between, and to be quite honest with you, I wouldn't want to be stopped by "them." Naturally, I keep my eyes on cars/trucks with lots of antennas, on the premise that the person operating the vehicle is interested in communications for career, or hobby communications. I will not, and have never pulled over with my red lights anyone just to see what they "have," or to strike up a conversation. OTOH, if they are pulling into a parking space, or a driveway, one few occasions, I have courteously identified myself (with ham callsign or a friendly "I'm not here because you did anything wrong") and have met some really nice people, who have become friends to me. Will Sperling, Patrol Officer/Youth Specialist Woodridge, Illinois, USA, Municipal Police Department Serving Proudly Since 1971 Home Email: WA9YHX@... /or/ WA9YHX@... PD Email: WSperling@... My Homepage: http://members.aol.com/wa9yhx Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good 55 From: Will Sperling Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 0:26am Subject: Re:[1.a] Cops & Scanner enthusiests wa9yhx@... Send Email Send Email At 09:07 AM 08/07/2000 -0700, Harry Marnell wrote: >Very well put, Will. I think you not quite as much the "exception" some >folks would think. Would you say it not the scanner nearly as much as >the attitude of BOTH parties? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Like I said in my initial response, there are some officers I wouldn't want to be stopped by, even if I wasn't "doing anything wrong!" (Probable cause?) Those in law enforcement who choose not to keep abreast of technology should be ashamed of themselves. We now have an all-computer reporting system, and every officer has an alphanumeric pager issued to them. Now, this is going pretty heavy "high tech," but some still scoff at what's new and accepted now by Departmental policy. Those individuals will probably never change, but if they want to receive a paycheck, they'll have to login, check their email, and enter their time sheets! One individual in particular stopped a close friend of mine for speeding a few years ago. You have to know that my personal car has more antennas than the top of the Sears Tower (not really - just 7), but this friend of mine with an "antenna farm" growing on the roof of his car, with ham radio plates, was stopped for speeding. He was going 55 in 45 zone on a major thoroughfare in my jurisdiction, and one of my co-workers stopped him. The 1st thing my friend says, "Is Will Sperling on duty?" Yes, I was. Now, this is 4:20 in the morning, with NO traffic, and a legit violation of speeding 10 over the posted limit. What does the officer do? Tickets my friend! Of course he was legal in doing it, of course my friend was speeding, but give me a break! This was something that irked me for a long time, but since there was really nothing "I" could do about it, my friend went to court, paid his fine, got court supervision, and got on with his life. I don't really want to get into a long dialog about "Professional Courtesy," but sheesh, we aren't that big of an agency, we all know each other, and there are plenty of things to do out there without snaring an easy catch and "counting points." WE DO NOT HAVE A QUOTA! We can write as many as we can, or as few as we want to. What does this have to do with a scanner in a car stopped for a traffic violation? Probably nothing, except if "you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" analogy may or may not get you in or out of hot water. Be discreet, be polite and DON'T EVER TRY TO HIDE ANYTHING - that could cause more problem(s) for you or any occupants in your car. Make sure if you have a rider, they keep their comments to themselves. Far too many times, I've backed officers up on traffic stops, to find out that the traffic violator was written every violation that could be imagined, all because their passenger(s) were "sidewalk attorneys," and didn't keep their mouths shut. Sorry - I'll get off my soapbox now. Will Sperling, WA9YHX, Ex-RCMA (IL-116) Email: WA9YHX@... /or/ WA9YHX@... The Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association CARMA WebSite: http://www.theramp.net/shabec/carma.htm My Website: http://members.aol.com/WA9YHX 56 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:45pm Subject: scanner action via pager worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Check this out---- The place where I work has one and it's amazing--It DOES work! http://www.incidentpage.net/ 57 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 9:26pm Subject: Los Angeles area Fire Departments & Fire Communications marnells@... Send Email Send Email Hi- I've uploaded a new website with links to fire agencies and fire communications primarily in Los Angeles County. Most depts in the county are included, but would welcome any additions & corrections, including industrial or military firefighting agencies, and communications-related stuff, plus I'll be adding a "links" section to take folks to other major fire-links sites.. Come take a look... It's at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/lafire.htm Harry 58 From: "Q c xand" Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 11:20pm Subject: (No Subject) person1003@... Send Email Send Email 59 From: "Q c xand" Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 11:21pm Subject: (No Subject) person1003@... Send Email Send Email 60 From: Dan Fuller Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 10:51pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 27 bvilledan@... Send Email Send Email Did these "messages" have a purpose? _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html 61 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 11:05pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 27 marnells@... Send Email Send Email You mean the "q c xand" messages? they went to at least one other list too. The apparent sender has been a member for a while and I've put him/her on "moderated" status...no messages from them until they're approved by the list moderator, me. It's conceivable, I guess, that someone else posted them, using the webpage or hacking, so I didn't "unsubscribe" the person completely. Trying to contact him/her to see what's going on. Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Fuller" To: Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 15:51 Subject: Re: [scan4good] Digest Number 27 > Did these "messages" have a purpose? > 62 From: JEFFREY MICHAEL KENYON Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 0:07am Subject: scanner service days short lived in Detroit area at649@... Send Email Send Email Hello to all on the lists. Earlier this evening while I was listening to one of the Detroit Police districts they dispatched a car to a school because some kids were breaking windows at the school. They dispatched it a couple of times and usually when they dispatch a call also goes out from a dispatcher at the Detroit Public Schools department of public safety. I waited and no call ever came until I called the public safety department myself. As soon as I called they sent a car but unfortunately these days will be short lived unless Uniden or Radio Shack or someone comes out with a digital scanner as Detroit Police are going digital and we will not be able to hear calls like this again. I would also imagine that Detroit Public Schools will be going digital as well but I don't know. I just thought I would post this on here since it must be a hard thing for someone who is responsible for the security operations in the entire Detroit school district to dispatch cars to a certain location and listen to six districts all at once.. 63 From: Garbo Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 6:34pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 27 garbo@... Send Email Send Email Perhaps he stepped out of the room, and a youngster stepped up to the keyboard; my daughter has done that to me before, and just typed jibberish At 04:05 PM 08/12/00 -0700, you wrote: >You mean the "q c xand" messages? they went to at least one other list too. >The apparent sender has been a member for a while and I've put him/her on >"moderated" status...no messages from them until they're approved by the >list moderator, me. > >It's conceivable, I guess, that someone else posted them, using the webpage >or hacking, so I didn't "unsubscribe" the person completely. Trying to >contact him/her to see what's going on. > >Harry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Fuller" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 15:51 >Subject: Re: [scan4good] Digest Number 27 > > >> Did these "messages" have a purpose? >> > > > > > >Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > >Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > 64 From: "Bob Reynolds" Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 2:03pm Subject: REPORTER/RESEARCH worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I am a reporter for WNEP-TV in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Pa. I have been involved in researching Pennsylvania's 800 Mhz trunked radio and an offshoot of that has been leads I've developed as it relates to two other systems. Can anyone on the list help me? I am interested in any information available on the system operated by the Orange County Transit Authority in California. When did it go online and have there been any problems?. Who put in the system and of course anything else you can add. I am also looking for any information available about the system run by Federal Express. I am told it's both a voice AND data system. Is that true? When did the voice part of the system come fully online? I will not share with anyone the source of any information I receive. Please feel free to pass this on to other lists. Thank you all in advance, Bob Reynolds Senior Reporter WNEP-TV 800-982-4305 65 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 0:49pm Subject: 800mhz trunked down under style worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Any comments???? www.government.ics.sa.gov.au/SAGRN/index.shtml 66 From: firemngene@... Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 11:19am Subject: Re: scanner service days short lived in Detroit area firemngene@... Send Email Send Email Hi This "upgrade" to Digital happened in Yonkers, N.Y. over 2 years ago - since then we haven't been able to stay on top of the local police activities, home burglaries, etc. To compound matters, the local newspaper for this city of 188,000 rarely covers criminal activities unless it's a serious felony - so we - the interested, concerned civic -minded taxpayers are "in the dark". Any suggestions? Gene G. 8-19-2000 67 From: JEFFREY MICHAEL KENYON Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:02pm Subject: Re: scanner service days short lived in Detroit area at649@... Send Email Send Email Hopefully someone from Uniden lives in a market or place where everything has gone digital and misses his activities that he used to monitor on his scanner. On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 firemngene@... wrote: > Hi > This "upgrade" to Digital happened in Yonkers, N.Y. over 2 years ago - since > then we haven't been able to stay on top of the local police activities, home > burglaries, etc. To compound matters, the local newspaper for this city of > 188,000 rarely covers criminal activities unless it's a serious felony - so > we - the interested, concerned civic -minded taxpayers are "in the dark". > Any suggestions? > Gene G. > 8-19-2000 > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > 68 From: David Pinero Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 1:37am Subject: Re: scanner service days short lived in Detroit area tdave365@... Send Email Send Email You could try lobbying the local folks for some kind of open compensation. For example, many areas put police information online live in ticker-tape format. Second, consider starting a rapid media organization consisting of civilian responders networked with private radios. Start showing up as teams to local breaking events with radios and camcorders and see how fast your local PS offices begin to reconsider at least patrolcasting again. http://www.openness.org http://www.rapid-media.org Dave --- firemngene@... wrote: > Hi > This "upgrade" to Digital happened in Yonkers, N.Y. over 2 years ago > - since > then we haven't been able to stay on top of the local police > activities, home > burglaries, etc. To compound matters, the local newspaper for this > city of > 188,000 rarely covers criminal activities unless it's a serious > felony - so > we - the interested, concerned civic -minded taxpayers are "in the > dark". > Any suggestions? > Gene G. > 8-19-2000 > ===== ======================================================= David Pinero, Tampa, Florida. The Tampa Kaboom - The "Other" Side of News In Tampa http://tampakaboom.webjump.com ======================================================= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ 69 From: JEFFREY MICHAEL KENYON Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 1:42am Subject: Re: scanner service days short lived in Detroit area at649@... Send Email Send Email That is another good idea. I just wish that someone would post more information either to this list or trunkcom about digital scanners coming out soon. On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, David Pinero wrote: > > You could try lobbying the local folks for some kind of open > compensation. For example, many areas put police information online > live in ticker-tape format. Second, consider starting a rapid media > organization consisting of civilian responders networked with private > radios. Start showing up as teams to local breaking events with radios > and camcorders and see how fast your local PS offices begin to > reconsider at least patrolcasting again. > > http://www.openness.org > http://www.rapid-media.org > > Dave > > --- firemngene@... wrote: > > Hi > > This "upgrade" to Digital happened in Yonkers, N.Y. over 2 years ago > > - since > > then we haven't been able to stay on top of the local police > > activities, home > > burglaries, etc. To compound matters, the local newspaper for this > > city of > > 188,000 rarely covers criminal activities unless it's a serious > > felony - so > > we - the interested, concerned civic -minded taxpayers are "in the > > dark". > > Any suggestions? > > Gene G. > > 8-19-2000 > > > > > ===== > ======================================================= > David Pinero, Tampa, Florida. > The Tampa Kaboom - The "Other" Side of News In Tampa > http://tampakaboom.webjump.com > ======================================================= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > 70 From: Harry Marnell Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 5:40am Subject: IJ News - Robbery could lead to life terms marnells@... Send Email Send Email Harry Marnell has sent you the following comments and article from http://www.marinij.com Comments: Now THIS is what we need more of. Notice Capt. Lyles' referring to the scanner listener as "a great citizen" and "solid." And apparently the citizen reported what he saw but left the work to the police. One for our side. Robbery could lead to life terms By Con Garretson The two suspects in dramatic robbery of an Old Navy clothing store in Novato have extensive criminal histories and could be sentenced to life in prison if convicted on new criminal charges filed yesterday, prosecutors said. Sharon Brewer, 40, and Edward Jerome Jones, 45, both of Oakland, were arrested at gunpoint on the side of southbound Highway 101 after taking $682 worth of merchandise from the clothing store in the Vintage Oaks shopping center, authorities said. Bewer and Jones have two prior felony convictions that count as "strikes" under California's "three strikes" sentencing law. As a result, convictions in this new case could result in sentences of at least 25 years to life, according to Marin County Deputy District Attorney Linda Witong. Brewer was arraigned in Marin County Superior Court yesterday on charges of robbery, commercial burglary, grand theft and additional legal enhancements based on her criminal history, including convictions for grand theft, attempted robbery and robbery using a gun in the early 1980s. Witong said Brewer also is on felony probation for a theft conviction in February and a conviction on the robbery charge could result in a 30 years-to-life sentence for her. Jones was arraigned in court on charges of commercial burglary and grand theft, as well as additional criminal enhancements for a criminal career that includes three bank robbery convictions in the 1970s and 1980s. All of their prior convictions took place in the Bay Area, Witong said, but none of them were in Marin. Witong said bail was increased to $650,000 for both, from $50,000 for Brewer and $300,000 for Jones. Police said the two suspects placed several shirts in a shopping bag and tried to leave the store without paying for the merchandise at about 3:40 p.m. An employee confronted the pair, a scuffle broke out and the suspects fled and jumped into an older model yellow Mercedes, witnesses told police. A tip from an alert citizen led to their capture. "We had a great citizen who helped us out," Novato police Capt. Reggie Lyles said. "This guy was in his car listening to his (police) scanner and he observed the car. He got on his cell phone and told us our suspects were headed southbound on Highway 101." "We were really blessed that he did that. It just speaks to why our community is so safe, because we have such solid people like him out there." Lyles said his officers have been "especially sensitive" of potential crime activity at Old Navy in light of at least half a dozen thefts there in the past four months. Three weeks prior to the arrest of Brewer and Jones, another person was arrested in her car with merchandise stolen from the same Old Navy. Eboni Camille Thomas, 23, also of Oakland, was charged yesterday with grand theft in that case, Witong said. Thomas was arrested on July 26 on suspicion of grand theft. Another woman driving her car pulled into the path of another car on Rowland Boulevard, resulting in a minor injury collision, police said. Witnesses told police Thomas was seen running out of Old Navy with 36 shirts, which were later valued at $764. The shirts were found inside the would-be getaway car but there were initially problems establishing a criminal case against Thomas, police said. However, Witong said further investigation revealed sufficient evidence to charge Thomas with felony grand theft. Thomas has been out of jail on $10,000 bail since the day after her arrest. After Thomas' arrest, an Old Navy employee said the recent crime spree at the store was not coincidental but was tied to a "huge (crime) ring" targeting the Novato outlet based on knowledge of that store's security practices and the retail chain's merchandise return policy. Contact Con Garretson via e-mail at cgarretson@... Brought to you by The Marin Independent Journal http://www.marinij.com 71 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 6:06am Subject: Re: [SCANnorCAL] Interesting Article marnells@... Send Email Send Email IMHO, it might not hurt to send a BRIEF note to Novato PD Capt Reggie Lyles, thanking and/or complimenting him for publicly recognizing the efforts of a well-intentioned scanner user who acted appropriately. The vast majority of us are law-abiding and support our public safety services. The Novato PD has a "comments" form at http://www.ci.novato.ca.us/15index.html Just a thought. harry 72 From: Dan Fuller Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 11:08pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 32 bvilledan@... Send Email Send Email Am I losing it completely or did I miss #31? _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html 73 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 2:08pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 32 marnells@... Send Email Send Email Hi, Dan - I don't get the "digests," but if you can tell me the LAST post from #30 and the first post from #32 I'll gather everything in between and zap it out to you. Harry List Mangler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Fuller" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 16:08 Subject: Re: [scan4good] Digest Number 32 Am I losing it completely or did I miss #31? _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good 74 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 7:11am Subject: Advertising in egroups messages marnells@... Send Email Send Email List Members - eGroups has sent the following message to list moderators, and I'm forwarding it on to you. If you're on other "eGroups" lists, you'll probably see it there too. If anyone is bothered enough by the "banner" and "line" ads that eGroups adds to each message that is posted, there is a "no ads" option available as outlined below for $4.95 a month. If you're interested in helping finance this option, let me know, at marnells@... Harry..... "Dear eGroups Moderator, You are receiving this notice because one or more of the groups you moderate at eGroups will likely be affected by the changes described in this notice. Please read on. eGroups is committed to offering you a high-quality, easy email group service. As a business, we have two choices in paying for this service: one, charge members for its use, or two, include targeted text and HTML banner advertisements within emails sent to group members. eGroups members have shown an overwhelming preference for a free, ad-supported service...and that's what we've provided. 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For more info on this option, please see: http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html Sincerely, The eGroups Customer Support Team support@egroups.com 75 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 0:19pm Subject: ARIZONA SHERIFF worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Attached is a copy of a letter I sent to the Sheriff and the link for others to e mail him---At the very bottom is the newspaper article about the Sheriff's new system http://www.mcso.org/submenu.asp?file=public Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- Dear Sheriff Arpaio: As a reporter for a TV station in Scranton, Pa and with a brother in law enforcement I have seen first hand how important law abiding citizens access to public safety communications systems can be. We had an incident recently in Scranton where an accused sex offender escapee was caught by police AFTER a resident listening to the police communications spotted the fugitive on his street! I understand you don't believe that everyday citizens should have that opportunity. I also understand that they are currently shut out because of your agencies new digital 800 Mhz radio system. I would respectfully ask that you take another look at this and offer RECIEVE only units to the general public and the news media. You can allow them to monitor general dispatch and other routine calls while keeping your drug communications secure thru scrambling and/or on another talk group. I am enclosing a newspaper article from California which again shows how police were helped with a citzen listening to scanner. Regards, Robert Reynolds Wilkes Barre, Pa 18702 Robbery could lead to life terms By Con Garretson The two suspects in dramatic robbery of an Old Navy clothing store in Novato have extensive criminal histories and could be sentenced to life in prison if convicted on new criminal charges filed yesterday, prosecutors said. Sharon Brewer, 40, and Edward Jerome Jones, 45, both of Oakland, were arrested at gunpoint on the side of southbound Highway 101 after taking $682 worth of merchandise from the clothing store in the Vintage Oaks shopping center, authorities said. Bewer and Jones have two prior felony convictions that count as "strikes" under California's "three strikes" sentencing law. As a result, convictions in this new case could result in sentences of at least 25 years to life, according to Marin County Deputy District Attorney Linda Witong. Brewer was arraigned in Marin County Superior Court yesterday on charges of robbery, commercial burglary, grand theft and additional legal enhancements based on her criminal history, including convictions for grand theft, attempted robbery and robbery using a gun in the early 1980s. Witong said Brewer also is on felony probation for a theft conviction in February and a conviction on the robbery charge could result in a 30 years-to-life sentence for her. Jones was arraigned in court on charges of commercial burglary and grand theft, as well as additional criminal enhancements for a criminal career that includes three bank robbery convictions in the 1970s and 1980s. All of their prior convictions took place in the Bay Area, Witong said, but none of them were in Marin. Witong said bail was increased to $650,000 for both, from $50,000 for Brewer and $300,000 for Jones. Police said the two suspects placed several shirts in a shopping bag and tried to leave the store without paying for the merchandise at about 3:40 p.m. An employee confronted the pair, a scuffle broke out and the suspects fled and jumped into an older model yellow Mercedes, witnesses told police. A tip from an alert citizen led to their capture. "We had a great citizen who helped us out," Novato police Capt. Reggie Lyles said. "This guy was in his car listening to his (police) scanner and he observed the car. He got on his cell phone and told us our suspects were headed southbound on Highway 101." "We were really blessed that he did that. It just speaks to why our community is so safe, because we have such solid people like him out there." Lyles said his officers have been "especially sensitive" of potential crime activity at Old Navy in light of at least half a dozen thefts there in the past four months. Three weeks prior to the arrest of Brewer and Jones, another person was arrested in her car with merchandise stolen from the same Old Navy. Eboni Camille Thomas, 23, also of Oakland, was charged yesterday with grand theft in that case, Witong said. Thomas was arrested on July 26 on suspicion of grand theft. Another woman driving her car pulled into the path of another car on Rowland Boulevard, resulting in a minor injury collision, police said. Witnesses told police Thomas was seen running out of Old Navy with 36 shirts, which were later valued at $764. The shirts were found inside the would-be getaway car but there were initially problems establishing a criminal case against Thomas, police said. However, Witong said further investigation revealed sufficient evidence to charge Thomas with felony grand theft. Thomas has been out of jail on $10,000 bail since the day after her arrest. After Thomas' arrest, an Old Navy employee said the recent crime spree at the store was not coincidental but was tied to a "huge (crime) ring" targeting the Novato outlet based on knowledge of that store's security practices and the retail chain's merchandise return policy. Contact Con Garretson via e-mail at cgarretson@... Brought to you by The Marin Independent Journal http://www.marinij.com [California] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- From The Tribune -- July 7, 2000 -- by Garin Groff ----------------------------------------- SHERIFF GETS DIGITAL DISPATCHING SYSTEM Maricopa County sheriff's deputies are switching to a new $30 million communication system that boosts their security - and keeps the public from eavesdropping on their activities. The equipment gives the sheriff's office room to grow and improves the quality of the broadcasts. But the office also likes that the public, and criminals in particular, won't be able to hear a word of the radio broadcasts that they've listened to for decades. "Why should we have everybody listening in on our operations?" Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Thursday while showing off a new communications center at his downtown Phoenix headquarters. The old radio technology allowed anybody with a scanner to listen to radio traffic between deputies in the field. This meant anybody tuned to the correct frequency could hear descriptions of criminal suspects and where deputies were going on a call. Criminals heard the same thing. "We have often found suspects, who we were looking for, had a scanner," said Sgt. Dave Trombi. "It's not that hard to listen in." A burglar with a scanner could hear if a deputy was in the area. Trombi said, giving him an edge over law enforcement. The new technology ends that. The Motorola Smart Zone digital system allows only radios programmed into the sheriff's system to send and receive signals. Law enforcement agencies across the nation are switching to similar systems because the federal government is forcing them off the analog frequencies they currently use. Valley police and fire agencies will eventually switch over to similar systems, but the sheriff's office is the first to do so. While anybody can buy scanners for the analog frequencies for about $250, devices for the new ones aren't available yet. A scanner for digital frequencies will probably be available someday, allowing the public to listen. But Arpaio said he would block access by encrypting the signals. "It's almost impossible to decode that," said Harold Darr of Motorola, a project manager on the system. Deputies have switched to the new system gradually during the last two weeks. The transition will be complete by next week, ending public access to the office's broadcasts. Also in the dark will be news organizations, which listen to radio broadcasts extensively to monitor breaking news. Arpaio said that he will consider granting access to news organizations but added that he hadn't thought of the issue until Thursday. The public has a strong interest in listening to police and fire broadcasts, said David Means, who works at a Radio Shack store in Mesa. Scanners are popular items, he said, and the demand will probably prompt manufacturers to develop new scanners soon. People who buy scanners consider police broadcasts a form of entertainment, Means said. The devices are especially popular among senior citizens. "They just like to listen to it on their headphones," Means said. [this new radio system had a major failure recently - see the archives at arizonascanner@egroups.com - PS] 76 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 0:09pm Subject: FCC: ILLEGAL POLICE ACTIVITY worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: Re: [socalscan] BHPD DCS Date: 08/28/2000 10:36:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: DrPepper@... (DrPepper) Reply-to: socalscan@egroups.com To: socalscan@egroups.com While I sympathize with you and abhor the actions of the BHPD, I think that your ham call may shed some light on what may be a pedantic attitude towards this subject. Remember, , , , all is usually not as it seems, , , , Ron C. WB6GKI =============================================== Khalil Ladjevardi wrote: > I am a amateur radio operator, K6FCC, who has volunteered over 14,000 hours > in various disaster communications as a ham. I got terminated from the > Beverly Hills (CA) Police Department > Disaster Communications System (BHPD DCS)in January 2000 because I would > not follow their demands (BHPD DCS) that I break FCC Part 97 Rules & > Regulations by using amateur radio equipment (including ATV) for exclusive > police/surveillance use. > > Well, this is what happens when such an organization (BHPD) thinks that > they are above the FCC (and above the law..) > > 73 de K6FCC > Khalil Ladjevardi > > ======== > The following is from Amateur radio NEWSLINE of Saturday, August 26, 2000. > > You can both hear about it via RealAudio or in print-form at > http://www.arnewsline.com You can also hear about this on the R.A.I.N. > (Radio Amateur Information Network) Report > (http://www.rainreport.com) (Hap > Holly, KC9RP) at the section on the latest FCC Enforcement Log on the > website. > > ***** > > ENFORCEMENT: QUESTIONS FOR THE BEVERLY HILLS > P.D. > > A Southern California ham radio operator is being asked to explain > why he > used Amateur Radio frequencies to assist the Beverly Hills police > Department. This, in an August 14th letter from the FCC's Riley > Hollingsworth to Ronald Derderian, KB6VTN. > > In the letter, Hollingsworth tells Derderian that his agency has > monitoring > information indicating that on June 13th Derderian acted as a "net > control" > of a Beverly Hills Police Department Disaster Communications System > > operating on an Amateur repeater frequency. Also that other Amateur > call > signs were noted checking in to the net. Those operators seemed to be > > officers in the immediate vicinity or in the building. > > Hollingsworth goes on to say that the net control station was operating > on > a repeater identifying as N6CBW. That is presumably the repeater call > sign. Hollingsworth states that Derderian gave notice to the ham > community > that the frequency was, and we quote, restricted. > > Hollingsworth warns KB6VTN that Amateur frequencies are not > authorized for > police use. He also tells Derderian that he does not have authority to > restrict any Amateur frequency for a specific use. > > Derderian was given the customary 30 days to respond to > Hollingsworth. His > reply must contain specific information regarding this Beverly Hills > Police > Department ham radio operation. He must also explain the authority > under > which he was acting. > > And there is a rather strange aside to this story. Hollingsworth's letter > Ronald Derderian was sent to 464 North Rexford Drive in Beverly > Hills. That just happens to be the headquarters building of the Beverly > Hills P-D. (FCC) > > > socalscan - Southern California Scanner Mail List/Reflector > Encourage your scanner friends to subscribe by going to: > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/socalscan -- 77 From: Khalil Ladjevardi Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 7:00pm Subject: Response to Ron C. WB6GKI khalil@... Send Email Send Email Dear Ron, I cannot understand why my callsign has to do with this matter? Yes, K6FCC is a vanity call which I obtained when the rules for such callsigns went into effect. Now let us get to Beverly Hills Police (BHPD), I do not have to make any statement defending my actions or complaints. What I have sent is in the public records. I am sure that your years in amateur radio have shown you that the FCC would not make an enquiry unless they had sufficient evidence to do so. In the case of Beverly Hills, the FCC actions were based upon several months of investigative work. I am a private citizen who has absolutely no effect on FCC's policies or activities. The situation surrounding BHPD will be determined by a administrative judge in Washington,DC. This will be done in accordance with FCC Part 97 Rules & Regulations and not on the basis of any ststements that either you or I will make. In summary, you say this is a hoax; the FCC, however, does not agree with you. Happy Hamming !! 73 de Khali ladjevardi K6FCC 78 From: Khalil Ladjevardi Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 7:44pm Subject: Re: [800band] Re: khalil@... Send Email Send Email Dear Dr. Pepper, This is Dr. "Salt"... no, I did not invent the polio vaccine !! and, this is no hoax !! Together, we can spice-up a lot of people's lives by reading our e-mails !! Yes, the homeowner association did destroy my antennas and I took them to court for it.. So, that problem has been settled.. Now, we are on to much bigger things like, putting some "spices" into Part 97 !! Guess the FCC is getting a little more salty when it comes to enforcement. Now, all we need is the case to be tried by administrative law judge James Pepper !! This will sure add a lot more kick to the situation. Water anyone ? At 12:15 PM 8/28/00 -0700, DrPepper wrote: >Please, , , , , , > >I did not say this was a hoax. >DON'T put words in my mouth. > >I am merely saying that, as in the case of the antenna that was torn down >by the homeowners association and the accusations about the LA >Fire Department, there are TWO sides to every argument. We have only >heard yours. > >Regarding your call, , , You are welcome to it, , , , , , , I just don't quite >understand why anyone would actually request such a call. > >73 de Ron C. >(Who proudly has his original call, that was issued in 1963) >================================================ > > >Unknown wrote: > >> rbu >> nton), sllawson@... (sllawson), thillman@... (Tim Hillman), tfcarten@... (Tom Carten), WB3FAA@..., wgouse@... (Walt Gouse), jmn3avz@... (Jim Moran), michaelmcglynn@... (Michael McGlynn), k3zk@... (k3 >> >> zk) >> , W3TI@... (Al Breiner), wc3a@... (Dave), michaelmcglynn@... (michaelmcglynn@...), JOVIE9999@..., bobsauer@... (Bob Sauer), Bigvee1558@..., carlk3jml@... >> From: Khalil Ladjevardi >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Mailing-List: list socalscan@egroups.com; contact socalscan-owner@egroups.com >> Delivered-To: mailing list socalscan@egroups.com >> Precedence: bulk >> List-Unsubscribe: >> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:00:01 -0700 >> Reply-To: socalscan@egroups.com >> Subject: [socalscan] Response to Ron C. WB6GKI >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> Dear Ron, >> >> I cannot understand why my callsign has to do with this matter? Yes, K6FCC >> is a vanity call which I obtained when the rules for such callsigns went >> into effect. >> >> Now let us get to Beverly Hills Police (BHPD), I do not have to make any >> statement defending my actions or complaints. What I have sent is in the >> public records. I am sure that your years in amateur radio have shown you >> that the FCC would not make an enquiry unless they had sufficient evidence >> to do so. In the case of Beverly Hills, the FCC actions were based upon >> several months of investigative work. I am a private citizen who has >> absolutely no effect on FCC's policies or activities. The situation >> surrounding BHPD will be determined by a administrative judge in >> Washington,DC. This will be done in accordance with FCC Part 97 Rules & >> Regulations and not on the basis of any ststements that either you or I >> will make. In summary, you say this is a hoax; the FCC, however, does not >> agree with you. >> >> Happy Hamming !! >> >> 73 de Khali ladjevardi >> K6FCC >> >> >> socalscan - Southern California Scanner Mail List/Reflector >> Encourage your scanner friends to subscribe by going to: >> http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/socalscan > >-- >- - - >Dr Pepper, >Also known as >Ron Cheshire, WB6GKI, >35.37.26N/117.40.02W >China Lake, CA USA >----------------------------- >90 miles West of Death Valley, >200 miles North of LAX >----------------------------- >DrPepper@... >nannycams@... >- - - > > > > >Community email addresses: > Post message: 800band@onelist.com > Subscribe: 800band-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: 800band-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: 800band-owner@onelist.com > >Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/800band > > > 79 From: Khalil Ladjevardi Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 7:45pm Subject: Re: [socalscan] Re: khalil@... Send Email Send Email Dear Dr. Pepper, This is Dr. "Salt"... no, I did not invent the polio vaccine !! and, this is no hoax !! Together, we can spice-up a lot of people's lives by reading our e-mails !! Yes, the homeowner association did destroy my antennas and I took them to court for it.. So, that problem has been settled.. Now, we are on to much bigger things like, putting some "spices" into Part 97 !! Guess the FCC is getting a little more salty when it comes to enforcement. Now, all we need is the case to be tried by administrative law judge James Pepper !! This will sure add a lot more kick to the situation. Water anyone ? At 12:15 PM 8/28/00 -0700, DrPepper wrote: >Please, , , , , , > >I did not say this was a hoax. >DON'T put words in my mouth. > >I am merely saying that, as in the case of the antenna that was torn down >by the homeowners association and the accusations about the LA >Fire Department, there are TWO sides to every argument. We have only >heard yours. > >Regarding your call, , , You are welcome to it, , , , , , , I just don't quite >understand why anyone would actually request such a call. > >73 de Ron C. >(Who proudly has his original call, that was issued in 1963) >================================================ > > >Unknown wrote: > >> rbu >> nton), sllawson@... (sllawson), thillman@... (Tim Hillman), tfcarten@... (Tom Carten), WB3FAA@..., wgouse@... (Walt Gouse), jmn3avz@... (Jim Moran), michaelmcglynn@... (Michael McGlynn), k3zk@... (k3 >> >> zk) >> , W3TI@... (Al Breiner), wc3a@... (Dave), michaelmcglynn@... (michaelmcglynn@...), JOVIE9999@..., bobsauer@... (Bob Sauer), Bigvee1558@..., carlk3jml@... >> From: Khalil Ladjevardi >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Mailing-List: list socalscan@egroups.com; contact socalscan-owner@egroups.com >> Delivered-To: mailing list socalscan@egroups.com >> Precedence: bulk >> List-Unsubscribe: >> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:00:01 -0700 >> Reply-To: socalscan@egroups.com >> Subject: [socalscan] Response to Ron C. WB6GKI >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> Dear Ron, >> >> I cannot understand why my callsign has to do with this matter? Yes, K6FCC >> is a vanity call which I obtained when the rules for such callsigns went >> into effect. >> >> Now let us get to Beverly Hills Police (BHPD), I do not have to make any >> statement defending my actions or complaints. What I have sent is in the >> public records. I am sure that your years in amateur radio have shown you >> that the FCC would not make an enquiry unless they had sufficient evidence >> to do so. In the case of Beverly Hills, the FCC actions were based upon >> several months of investigative work. I am a private citizen who has >> absolutely no effect on FCC's policies or activities. The situation >> surrounding BHPD will be determined by a administrative judge in >> Washington,DC. This will be done in accordance with FCC Part 97 Rules & >> Regulations and not on the basis of any ststements that either you or I >> will make. In summary, you say this is a hoax; the FCC, however, does not >> agree with you. >> >> Happy Hamming !! >> >> 73 de Khali ladjevardi >> K6FCC >> >> >> socalscan - Southern California Scanner Mail List/Reflector >> Encourage your scanner friends to subscribe by going to: >> http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/socalscan > >-- >- - - >Dr Pepper, >Also known as >Ron Cheshire, WB6GKI, >35.37.26N/117.40.02W >China Lake, CA USA >----------------------------- >90 miles West of Death Valley, >200 miles North of LAX >----------------------------- >DrPepper@... >nannycams@... >- - - > > > > >socalscan - Southern California Scanner Mail List/Reflector >Encourage your scanner friends to subscribe by going to: >http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/socalscan > > > 80 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:52pm Subject: (no subject) worksntv@... Send Email Send Email This site gives scanner listeners an idea of the world of dispatchers AND has some good e mail reflectors too! http://www.911dispatch.com/ 81 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 4:23pm Subject: Re: new location of tag on ads marnells@... Send Email Send Email And it REALLY ticks me off...I have to cut the ads out (when I remember) whenever I forward messages. Grrrrr. Lets everyone write a complaint to egroups about the new ad placement at the top...Their address is suggestion@egroups.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Mullins" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 08:58 Subject: Re: [TROLLEYSca] Re: new location of tag on ads The cat walked across the keyboard of PetalumaTrolley@... and wrote: > > Suddenly the ads that were tagged onto the bottom of messages are > inserted beween the address information and the body of the text. I am > trying to discover whether this is Webtv or Onelist doing this so that > we can fix it. I find it exceedingly annoying, a seriious assault on my > sensibilities. Any observations. It's eGroups. On the text versions of emails (which my account gets), it's being stuck in the same place, as you can see above. My guess is that they are making sure you read the ad before the mail. This change has occurred in the past few days. Later, Ray -- M. Ray Mullins, Big Bear City, CA - home of the other MARTA - ICQ# 28901695 -- 82 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 2:46pm Subject: NPS Dispatcher Uses Scanner zerg90@... Send Email Send Email 00-558 - Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area [National Park Service] (PA/NJ) - Drowning A 40-year-old New York man drowned in the Delaware River near Hialeah picnic area on the afternoon of Sunday, September 3rd. Angel Taveras of Corona, New York, had waded out to Woodcock Bar Island with friends. They then decided to float downstream. One of the juvenile members of the group evidently got into deeper water and panicked. Taveras attempted to make a rescue, but got into trouble himself. Although the youth was able to make it to shore, Taveras went under. His companions went for help. At 4:25 p.m., the park dispatcher heard Shawnee Fire Department units being dispatched to a possible drowning in the park over a scanner and notified rangers. River District rangers A.J. North and Mike Zirwas were on patrol in the area and responded to the point where Taveras was reportedly last seen. Shortly after arriving, Zirwas spotted Taveras' body about 40 yards off shore. The two rangers brought him to shore and began CPR at 4:34 p.m. They continued CPR with members of the Shawnee Fire Department while carrying Taveras up the steep river bank. An ambulance from Bushkill Ambulance Service transported him to the Pocono Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead at 5:40 p.m. Taveras was reportedly a "weak swimmer" and was not wearing a lifejacket. Hialeah picnic area does not have a lifeguarded swim beach. Smithfield Beach, which is less than two miles upriver from the picnic area, was open and lifeguards were on duty at the time of the drowning. [A.J. North, DR, River District, DEWA, 9/3] 83 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 7:18pm Subject: Fw: [egroups-status] eGroups Site Downtime marnells@... Send Email Send Email From egroups: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Long" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:52 AM Subject: [egroups-status] eGroups Site Downtime When: Wed Sept 6 11:00pm PDT (-0700 GMT) The eGroups site will be down tonight for approximately 1 hour for routine database maintenance. During this time, the eGroups web sit will be unavailable, and mail will be queued. After the downtime, all mail sent during the downtime will be processed. Brandon eGroups Engineering ------------------------------------------ List members: Now isn't this special. If you haven't heard, "egroups" has been taken over by Yahoo (ugh). We may or may not switch to another service, due to numerous complaints about Yahoo. But we'll get your input first, and provide plenty of advance notice. harry List Moderator 84 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:03pm Subject: test - do not reply marnells@... Send Email Send Email test - don't reply, puleeeze 85 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 3:02pm Subject: bonehead worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Although the article doesn't say I'd be willing to bet this is another 800 mhz system Bob --------------------------------- Bonehead award three goes to officials in the UK who spent about $33 million on a new emergency radio system that does not work thus forcing paramedics to borrow victim's cellular phones to contact their own headquarters. Additionally the paramedics claim the system to be so unreliable that they are buying their own mobile phones. ''I had to ask a patient if he had a mobile on him so I could phone for additional help at a car accident,'' says one paramedic. ''Now I carry my own mobile with me everywhere. The whole situation is ridiculous and dangerous.'' Scottish Daily Record 1-Sep-00 http://bonehead.oddballs.com/prior_bonehead.html 86 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 4:02pm Subject: KSP worksntv@... Send Email Send Email This is interesting. I wonder if the pilot system or the entire system costs 22 million. Pa's state wide system which is under construction will cost up to a quarter of a BILLION dollars. Bob The Kentucky State Police said contractors have finished installing the pilot portion of its digital state-wide radio communications system in the Richmond that will eventually serve its 16 command posts. The $22.8 million system will replaced a 1970-vintage UHF system. The multi-cast system (different frequencies) will cover 90 sites, use 12.5 kHz channels, and will include 208 base stations, some 1,257 ASTRO Spectra mobile radios, 857 vehicle repeaters and 50 XTS 3000 portables. The system is Project 25 compliant. 87 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 1:19pm Subject: Soon more to listen to! worksntv@... Send Email Send Email SB SPACE @ ARL $ARLS008 ARLS008 Atlantis ferrying ARISS ham gear into space ZCZC AS08 QST de W1AW Space Bulletin 008 ARLS008 From ARRL Headquarters Newington, CT September 8, 2000 To all radio amateurs SB SPACE ARL ARLS008 ARLS008 Atlantis ferrying ARISS ham gear into space The space shuttle Atlantis blasted off on schedule September 8, bringing Amateur Radio operation from the International Space Station a giant leap closer to reality. On board Atlantis is the initial Amateur Radio on the International Space Station equipment as well as other supplies needed by the Expedition 1 ISS crew members. As part of the multinational ARISS project, the gear will be stowed aboard the ISS until the Expedition 1 crew comes aboard in late October. The Expedition 1 crew will consist of US astronaut Bill Shepherd, KD5GSL, and Russian Cosmonauts Sergei Krikalev, U5MIR, and Yuri Gaidzenko, whose call sign was not available. Although astronaut Dan Burbank, KC5ZSX, is aboard Atlantis, there will be no Amateur Radio operation from the shuttle or the ISS during this mission, STS-106. Atlantis will deliver the ARISS VHF and UHF hand-held transceivers as well as a TNC for packet, a specially developed headset and signal adapter module plus power adapters and interconnecting cables. The ARISS initial station gear will be installed temporarily aboard the Functional Cargo Block module and use an existing antenna that's being adapted to support FM voice and packet on 2 meters but not on 70 cm. The ARISS gear will get a more-permanent home aboard the Service Module next year, once VHF and UHF antennas can be installed. NASA and the Russian space organization Energia have signed agreements that spell out the place of Amateur Radio aboard the ISS. A technical team, called ISS Ham, has been officially set up to serve as the interface to support hardware development, crew training and operations from space. A Russian call sign, RZ3DZR, has been issued for the ISS ham radio station. A German call sign, DL0ISS, also has been issued, and a US call sign will be applied for. For more information about Amateur Radio on the ISS and SAREX, visit the ARISS Web site, http://ariss.gsfc.nasa.gov/. NNNN /EX 89 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Sep 21, 2000 11:21am Subject: from another list?radio shack worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [4phun-scan] Pro 2052 on sale in Oct 2000 Date: 09/19/2000 3:44:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: healey@... (4phun) Reply-to: 4phun-scan@egroups.com To: 4phun-scan@egroups.com (4phun-scan list at Egoups.com (Email)), 4phun-radio@egroups.com The PRO 2052, 1000 channel ( dual 500 50*10) base scanner, goes on sale next month at the Shack. IMHO it is a move by RS to dump some of their inventory of thousands of obsolete scanners. I am positive that as soon as stock is depleted they will start shipping a PRO 2052 A ( just like a PRO 94 A) that will simultaneously trunk and scan conventional channels. RS still has thousands of unsold PRO 92 and PRO 94 handheld scanners so finding an A model is going to be difficult to impossible in some areas of the country until they locate enough uninformed suckers to buy the old stock. IMHO it is getting harder and harder for Radio Shack to move their junk inventory with the Internet providing information faster they they can move. Vic 90 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Sep 21, 2000 11:48am Subject: need more room? worksntv@... Send Email Send Email DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound ------------------------------------ Interested in improving your communications techniques? The U.S. Fire Administration has posted an on-line version of a study "Improving Fire Communications" on its Web site. "Inadequate fireground communication is repeatedly cited as a contributing factor in many of the incidents reported through the United States Fire Administration Major Fires Investigation Project," the description says. Some of the ideas presented in the report are drawn from the experiences of wildland firefighters, airline flight crews, and military personnel. Surf: http://www.usfa.fema.gov/techreps/tr099.htm 91 From: JEFFREY MICHAEL KENYON Date: Thu Sep 21, 2000 5:50pm Subject: [GRCOMM] Important for any kzoo scanner listeners (fwd) at649@... Send Email Send Email ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:35:42 -0400 From: Jeff Reply-To: GRCOMM@egroups.com To: GRCOMM@egroups.com, scan_michigan@egroups.com Subject: [GRCOMM] Important for any kzoo scanner listeners We (ham radio operators) have been asked to help the Kalamazoo County Sheriff's Department solve a criminal case. It seems that some people have been using radios to coordinate break-ins almost nightly. These break-ins have been in the Comstock area. One of their radios has been recovered and the frequency and pl tone has been identified. These radios are on 469.2625MHz with a pl of 179.9Hz. They were stolen from a major plumbing/heating/mechanical contractor and legitimate traffic after normal business hours is unlikely. We have been asked to monitor the frequency/pl tone at night for any suspicious activity. If any is heard, we have been asked to report it to the KCSD 911 dispatch center 383-8822. The county then plans to dispatch a deputy with the recovered radio into the area to listen. Any further questions can be addressed to myself or Doorman Wilson N8YNW. Art NK8X 92 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Sep 24, 2000 8:57pm Subject: testing both services...sending at 1:56 pm Pacific marnells@... Send Email Send Email testing both services...sending at 1:56 pm Pacific 93 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 5:52am Subject: Re: ANOTHER ECPA??? HR5018. marnells@... Send Email Send Email After taking all of three minutes to read it, it looks to me like it's mainly a record-keeping and reporting amendment. If you recall the House cellphone/scanner hearings after the Newt "cellphone" Gingrich affair (so to speak), when the FBI and FCC attorneys and spokesmen testified, they were asked by a Congressman how many prosecutions had been made under the ECPA of 1986 (?) and 1994. Well, they all looked at each other back and forth, finally one guy says, "Well, I remember hearing about ONE case, I think it was in New Orleans or somewhere in the south." Some of the committee members went nuts, "You mean we spent months and months, and hundreds of thousands of dollars on hearings and expert testimony, and research...and you THINK maybe there's been ONE prosecution in ten years?" The tactfully stated response of the FBI/FCC guys was, essentially, "We have more important stuff to worry about. If you want us to do more of that, maybe you should specifically fund specific positions in out agency to do it. We're too busy." That may or may not be what this bill is aimed at pursuing, but it sure doesn't seem to be mandating any new restrictions that I can see. Seems to require more openness by law enforcement about the extent they enforce the existing provisions. Harry Nobody's Attorney ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Coker" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 00:31 Subject: ANOTHER ECPA??? Looking for info on HR5018. > Does anyone know anything about a new "ECPA" ("Electronic Communications > Privacy Act", H.R. 5018, introduced by Rep. Charles Canady (R-FL)? > Supposedly the House Judiciary Committee considers it this week. I > can't believe they trying to do anything during the election cycle, but > then again, it IS election time, so maybe they're trying to prove that > they aren't a Do-Nothing Congress. > > According to the ACLU, this is supposed to be a "good" bill, trying to > limit feds and police from following a cellphone around town, without > strict court orders. It's kind of commonly understood that too many > tracking devices are in use by law enforcement. Surprise/Surprise! > This bill is supposed to 'protect' us law-abiding citizens more. > > I always get nervous when legislators try to write laws around technical > topics, as evidenced by the previous ECPAs which greatly affected our > hobby. Even "good" bills often have "bad" sections. Could this bill > also have additional restrictions on the freqs we can listen to? > > Here's the ACLU site, but it has very little information about the > specifics of the bill. I'd like to get a copy of the entire bill, if > someone can remind me how to access the fed site that has it. > > http://www.aclu.org/action/tapping106.html > > John C. N9FAM > 94 From: warrior5 Date: Mon Sep 25, 2000 8:20am Subject: Pomona Fair Freqs warrior5@... Send Email Send Email Looking for Pomona Fair Freqs i had some but my kid erased them b4 i could print them up :( 95 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Sep 28, 2000 9:50am Subject: ORLANDO SENTINEL. worksntv@... Send Email Send Email AP reports today that Com-Net Ericsson will take over the state's 800 MHz radio system. According to the report, the system will become "privatized" with Ericsson running it. The system, which was started by Motorola in 1988 is only 40% complete. The system has cost the state $113 million. The new contract pays Ericsson $271 million dollars and runs for 20 years. Full story on page B3 of the 9/25/00 ORLANDO SENTINEL. 96 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Sep 29, 2000 0:35pm Subject: MOTOROLA/FLORIDA worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Today's contract means that Phases I and II of the statewide system - successfully installed and recently upgraded by Motorola - will be completely dismantled and rebuilt. The Florida DMS contract award to Com-Net also covers the completion of Phases III, IV, and V. In response to the Florida DMS contract award to Com-Net Ericsson, Motorola's position is as follows: http://www.mot.com/LMPS/pressreleases/page1201.htm 97 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Oct 4, 2000 9:13pm Subject: "Smartgroups" version is now closed marnells@... Send Email Send Email Due to long delays in messages being posted, and other problems, I have closed the "smartgroups.com" version of this group. All smartgroups members that aren't already on the "Egroups" list have been transferred over. You may get a message from Smartgroups that you have been unsubscribed...that's why. For more information on the group, subscribing and unsubscribing info, and email settings, visit the homepage at http://www.egroups.com/group/scan4good Harry Marnell List moderator 98 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Oct 5, 2000 11:45am Subject: LISTENING TO DIGITAL RADIO-FROM ANOTHER LIST worksntv@... Send Email Send Email >From: "Phil Mangone" >Reply-To: ScanColo@egroups.com >To: "Scan Colorado" , "MNN" >Subject: [ScanColo] State adopts anal media/public access policy. >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:37:24 -0600 > >Just in case they decide to pull this off their website after this is >posted. The following is the text of the OFFICIAL policy regarding media >access to the state DTRS network. Pay attention to the number of allowed >radios and "how and where" regarding procurement of equipment. > > If this attitude by the state doesn't get people fired up then we deserve >to kiss the hobby goodbye! > > In case some of you doubt this the URL is >http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/gss/cits/comm/dtrs/media.htm > > Phil. > >[Text follows] > >------- >Monitoring the Cooperative Communications Network of Colorado Trunked Radio >Channels By News Media, and Non Government Agencies > >Official Policy > >With the transition of many public safety radio systems to the Cooperative >Communications Network of Colorado (CCNC) digital trunked radio system, it >will no longer be possible for unauthorized monitoring of radio traffic. >The >CCNC realizes that granting permission for the news media and certain >non-government agencies to monitor specific channels may benefit the >public. >This policy will define the process and requirements to obtain permission >to >monitor along with how to obtain and activate the equipment. > >All requests for permission shall be in writing signed by a senior level >official from the agency requesting permission. Request should be sent to: > >Cooperative Communications Network of Colorado >c/o State of Colorado, ITS >2452 W 2nd Ave. #19 Denver, CO 80219 > >The request should contain the following information: > >Name, address, Email and telephone number > >Specific channels to be monitored > >Quantity and type of radios requested (Base, Airborne or Portable) > >Purpose for monitoring Users of the equipment > >Once a request has been received, the CCNC Board will contact the public >safety agency whose channels are being requested to clear the request. Once >the agency has approved or denied the request, the requesting agency will >be >contacted with the status of their request. If the request is approved, the >CCNC will provide an agreement form to be completed by the requesting >agency. Once the form is completed and returned, the CCNC the will provide >information on how and where to purchase the necessary equipment, along >with >how and where to get the equipment programmed. The maximum number of radios >authorized to a single agency will be 2, one newsroom or fixed location and >one airborne unit. Newsroom units will be capable of monitoring only. >Airborne units may be granted permission to transmit for official public >safety activities only. Decisions of the CCNC Board are final. > > 99 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Oct 5, 2000 0:10pm Subject: Wiretap violations??Soooo funny!!! worksntv@... Send Email Send Email First Freedom organizers monitored radio communications between First Monday organizers, forcing them to cease communications before their march started. Public radio transmissions can be monitored by third parties, but Ruch said the communications were on a private line and she is investigating possible wiretap violations. http://www.mcall.com/html/news/bethlehm/b_pg008_e9b8_4rally8.htm Regards, Robert Reynolds WB3DYE Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 100 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Oct 5, 2000 6:18pm Subject: Scan4Good list has moved back to egroups marnells@... Send Email Send Email Yesterday (Wednesday) I sent the below explanation out to all members of the "smartgroups" version of "Scan4Good," and, typically, the smartgroups.com service apparently did not get it out to everybody. So I'm sending it again DIRECTLY to all subscribers from both groups. I have just now checked the roster, and everyone is indeed listed on scan4good@egroups.com I apologize for the miscommunication. harry marnell List Manager THE message: Due to long delays in messages being posted, and other problems, I have closed the "smartgroups.com" version of this group. All smartgroups members that aren't already on the "Egroups" list have been transferred over. You may get a message from Smartgroups that you have been unsubscribed...that's why. For more information on the "new" group, subscribing and unsubscribing info, and email settings, visit the homepage at http://www.egroups.com/group/scan4good Harry Marnell List moderator 101 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Oct 6, 2000 11:53am Subject: LISTENING TO DIGITAL RADIO-FROM ANOTHER LIST worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: Re: LISTENING TO DIGITAL RADIO-FROM ANOTHER LIST Date: 10/06/2000 11:46:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: larry@... (Larry Van Horn) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: larry@... (Larry Van Horn) To: SCAN-L@... A little soapbox here (opinions are my own): > The airwaves belong to US, not THEM! That was true until 1986 then the ECPA was passed. Sorry Ron, but there is nothing in the US Constitution giving you, me or anyone else the right to listen to someone else's communications regardless of the band or saying that we the tax payers own the airwaves. The government has been auctioning off the airwaves for sometime now so we have forfeited that and those folks who bought it from the government own that spectrum under law created by our glorious criminal politicians like Billy "Two Shoes" Tauzin. > THEY should make NO law OR regulation prohibiting or restricting people from monitoring these frequencies. > PERIOD!! I agree but that is not reality, but if more (like hams and the ARRL which did nothing) would have helped fight the 86 ECPA we might not have this problem now. When Bob Grove, RCMA and folks like John Coker made that call to arms in 1986 and no one then gave a damn, we as a hobby got exactly what we deserved. I remember reading comments like, "They can't enforce that, so who cares." Those around this hobby now that did nothing then and I know who a few of you are - like the situation we are in now? > I just got an automated response from my email to the Gov, and expect no further Surprise surprise!! Finally to all those who have picked up the pin to help stop this criminal madness in Washington, here are a list of the current bills before Congress that will drop dead if not acted upon before Congress adjourns for the year. HR 514 This is the bill that was introducted by Rep Heather Wilson (R) in this session of Congress after HR 2369 failed to be enacted in the last Congress. Like 2369 this bill breezed through the House and is stalled in the Senate Committe on Commerce (I do have a couple of friends there). ;-) It was read twice in the Senate and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. No hearing yet! HR Res 77 Another attempt to get HR 514 a shove. Guess the CTIA wants the spotlight on this instead of new laws prohibiting cell phone operation in cars and studies linking cancer to cell phone use. In your ear Thomas Wheeler. Passed the House but stuck in the Senate. HR 3489 Another cell telephone bill with the language from HR 514 tacked on. Passed the House and it was read twice in the Senate and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. No hearing yet! S2326 This is the Senate version of HR514 introducted by Ron Wyden (R). It was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. No hearing yet! So there you have this year's legislative action against this hobby. Hopefully we will get through this month and then these bills will go dead on the vine until next year's push in the new Congress by Tauzin, Markey and the others taking bribes (uh contributions) from the cellular telephone industry. 73 Ron and the rest, Larry Van Horn N5FPW 102 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 10:44am Subject: SCANNER WARNING! worksntv@... Send Email Send Email All of us should consider writing to our Federal Reps about the latest attempt to kill public safety listening. If you have any doubts about this take a look at the link below. The bill is DANGEROUS!: "Directs the FCC, with respect to scanning receivers capable of receiving transmissions in frequencies used by commercial mobile services and---------- that are shared by public safety users, -------------to examine methods and prescribe regulations to enhance the privacy of users of such frequencies. Requires tampering prevention measures and warning labels to be considered by the FCC in prescribing such regulations." http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:HR00514:@@@L&summ2=m& Your reps can be reached at: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ Regards, Robert Reynolds Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 103 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 11:00am Subject: HR 514 worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Here's my letter to my Congressional reps. Feel free to use it as a guide. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------- Dear Congressman Kanjorski: Millions of Americans have a hobby. It's called scanning. We like to sit in our homes or cars and get first hand information about the world around us. We use scanning radio receivers to listen to our local police, fire departments, and railroads just to name a few. However a bill is currently in the Congress which I believe endangers that hobby. I direct your attention to HR 514. It "Directs the FCC, with respect to scanning receivers capable of receiving transmissions in frequencies used by commercial mobile services and that are shared by public safety users, to examine methods and prescribe regulations to enhance the privacy of users of such frequencies. Requires tampering prevention measures and warning labels to be considered by the FCC in prescribing such regulations." I have a serious problem with "prescribe regulations to enhance the privacy of users of such frequencies." If thats done we could be someday prohibited from listening to our public servants, who are paid with tax dollars!!! Please use your good offices to either amend or better yet kill this resolution. You can see it for yourself at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:HR00514:@@@L&summ2=m& Regards, Robert Reynolds Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 CC: Pa Congressional delegation 104 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 3:41pm Subject: Re: <800band> SCANNER WARNING! marnells@... Send Email Send Email Another point you might make is that currently-available technology allows radio users to encrypt messages of a "sensitive nature," so they cannot be received by scanner owners, and that you understand the need for that ability. Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rich Wells,N2MCA" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 07:44 Subject: <800band> SCANNER WARNING! All of us should consider writing to our Federal Reps about the latest attempt to kill public safety listening. If you have any doubts about this take a look at the link below. The bill is DANGEROUS!: "Directs the FCC, with respect to scanning receivers capable of receiving transmissions in frequencies used by commercial mobile services and---------- that are shared by public safety users, -------------to examine methods and prescribe regulations to enhance the privacy of users of such frequencies. Requires tampering prevention measures and warning labels to be considered by the FCC in prescribing such regulations." http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:HR00514:@@@L&summ2=m& Your reps can be reached at: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ Regards, Robert Reynolds Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 eGroups Sponsor Community email addresses: Post message: 800band@onelist.com Subscribe: 800band-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: 800band-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: 800band-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/800band 105 From: JEFFREY MICHAEL KENYON Date: Tue Oct 10, 2000 7:19pm Subject: Re: HR 514 at649@... Send Email Send Email Hi, I don't know if anyone is aware of it, but here inMMichigan there is something that is worse yet then HR504. It is HR 8012. It is going to require hams and police offciers to get permits to transport scanner radios in cars. I don't know about it passing, but there are a lot of people in Michigan who are dighting to cancel this bill and to kill it. I know that if this bill passes it won't just affect hams but it will also effect departments where they have scanners in the police cars in additionsto the radios already in the cars to monirtr neighborting deparmtents. On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 worksntv@... wrote: > Here's my letter to my Congressional reps. Feel free to use it as a guide. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------------------------------------- > > Dear Congressman Kanjorski: > > Millions of Americans have a hobby. It's called scanning. We like to sit in > our homes or cars and get first hand information about the world around us. > We use scanning radio receivers to listen to our local police, fire > departments, and railroads just to name a few. However a bill is currently > in the Congress which I believe endangers that hobby. > > I direct your attention to HR 514. It "Directs the FCC, with respect to > scanning receivers capable of receiving transmissions in frequencies used by > commercial mobile services and that are shared by public safety users, to > examine methods and prescribe regulations to enhance the privacy of users of > such frequencies. Requires tampering prevention measures and warning labels > to be considered by the FCC in prescribing such regulations." > > I have a serious problem with "prescribe regulations to enhance the privacy > of users of such frequencies." If thats done we could be someday prohibited > from listening to our public servants, who are paid with tax dollars!!! > > Please use your good offices to either amend or better yet kill this > resolution. > > You can see it for yourself at: > http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:HR00514:@@@L&summ2=m& > > > Regards, > > > Robert Reynolds > Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 > > CC: Pa Congressional delegation > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > 106 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 9:47am Subject: trunking live on the web worksntv@... Send Email Send Email -------------------------- The Portland Police Bureau radio is now on-line, scanning several talk groups, posting frequencies, 10-codes, disposition codes, abbreviations and other terminology. They are also net-casting the fire and EMS agencies, at: http://www.oregonlive.com/policescanner/ 107 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 7:42pm Subject: New M.U.R.S. Unlicensed VHF Radio Service starts November 13. marnells@... Send Email Send Email The rules for the new Multi Use Radio Service (MURS), as shown below, will go into effect on November 13, 2000. (EMPHASIS ADDED) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 95.401 (CB Rule 1) What are the Citizens Band Radio Services? * * * * * (e) The Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS)--a private, two-way, short- distance voice, data or image communications service for personal or business activities of the general public. The rules for this service are contained in subpart J of this part. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 95.601 Basis and purpose. * * * The Personal Radio Services are the GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service)-subpart A, the Family Radio Service (FRS)-subpart B, the R/C (Radio Control Radio Service)-subpart C, the CB (Citizens Band Radio Service)-subpart D, the Low Power Radio Service (LPRS)-subpart G, the Wireless Medical Telemetry Service (WMTS)-subpart H, the Medical Implants Communication Service (MICS)-subpart I, and the Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS)--subpart J. 95.603 Certification required. * * * * * (g) Each Multi-Use Radio Service transmitter (a transmitter that operates or is intended to operate in the MURS) must be certificated in accordance with 90.203 of this chapter. 95.605 Certification procedures. Any entity may request certification for its transmitter when the transmitter is used in the GMRS, FRS, R/C, CB, IVDS, LPRS, MURS, or MICS following the procedures in part 2 of this chapter. 95.631 Emission types. * * * * * (j) A MURS station may transmit any emission type as specified in 90.207 of this Chapter. 95.632 MURS transmitter frequencies. (a) The MURS transmitter channel frequencies are 151.820 MHz, 151.880 MHz, 151.940 MHz, 154.570 MHz, 154.600 MHz. (b) The authorized bandwidth is 11.25 kHz on frequencies 151.820 MHz, 151.880 MHz and 151.940 MHz. The authorized bandwidth is 12.5 kHz on frequencies 154.570 and 154.600 kHz. (c) MURS transmitters must maintain a frequency stability of 5.0 ppm, or 2.0 ppm if designed to operate with a 6.25 kHz bandwidth. 95.633 Emission bandwidth. * * * * * (f) The authorized bandwidth for any emission type transmitted by a MURS transmitter is specified in 90.209 of this Chapter. 95.635 Unwanted radiation. * * * * * (e) For transmitters designed to operate in the MURS, transmitters shall comply with 90.210 of this chapter. 95.639 Maximum transmitter power. * * * * * (h) No MURS unit, under any condition of modulation, shall exceed 2 W effective radiated power (ERP). 95.649 Power capability No CB, R/C, LPRS, FRS, MICS, MURS or WMTS unit shall incorporate provisions for increasing its transmitter power to any level in excess of the limits specified in 95.639. 95.651 Crystal control required All transmitters used in the Personal Radio Services must be crystal controlled, except an R/C station that transmits in the 26-27 MHz frequency band, a FRS unit, a LPRS unit, a MURS unit, a MICS transmitter, or a WMTS unit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Appendix 1 to Subpart E to Part 95 Glossary of Terms The definitions used in part 95, Subpart E are: * * * * * EIRP. Effective Isotropic Radiated Power. Antenna input power times gain for free-space or in-tissue measurement configurations required by MICS, expressed in watts, where the gain is referenced to an isotropic radiator. MURS. Multi-Use Radio Service. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subpart J--Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS) Sec. 95.1301 Eligibility. Sec. 95.1303 Authorized locations. Sec. 95.1305 Station identification. Sec. 95.1307 Permissible communications. Sec. 95.1309 Channel use policy. Subpart J--Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS) General Provisions 95.1301 Eligibility. An entity is authorized by rule to operate a MURS transmitter if it is not a foreign government or a representative of a foreign government and if it uses the transmitter in accordance with 95.1309 and otherwise operates in accordance with the rules contained in this subpart. No license will be issued. 95.1303 Authorized locations. (a) MURS operation is authorized: (1) Anywhere CB station operation is permitted under 95.405; and (2) Aboard any vessel of the United States, with the permission of the captain, while the vessel is travelling either domestically or in international waters. (b) MURS operation is not authorized aboard aircraft in flight. (c) Anyone intending to operate a MURS unit on the islands of Puerto Rico, Desecheo, Mona, Vieques, and Culebra in a manner that could pose an interference threat to the Arecibo Observatory shall notify the Interference Office, Arecibo Observatory, Post Office Box 995, Arecibo, Puerto Rico 00613, in writing or electronically, of the location of the unit. Operators may wish to consult interference guidelines, which will be provided by Cornell University. Operators who choose to transmit information electronically should e-mail to: prcz@.... (1) The notification to the Interference Office, Arecibo Observatory shall be made 45 days prior to commencing operation of the unit. The notification shall state the geographical coordinates of the unit. (2) After receipt of such notifications, the Commission will allow the Arecibo Observatory a period of 20 days for comments or objections. The operator will be required to make reasonable efforts in order to resolve or mitigate any potential interference problem with the Arecibo Observatory. If the Commission determines that an operator has satisfied its responsibility to make reasonable efforts to protect the Observatory from interference, the unit may be allowed to operate. 95.1305 Station identification. A MURS station is not required to transmit a station identification announcement. 95.1307 Permissible communications. (a) MURS stations may transmit voice, data or image signals as permitted in this subpart. (b) A MURS station may transmit any emission type, subject to the limitations contained in 90.207 of this Chapter. (c) MURS frequencies may be used for remote control and telemetering functions. Emission types A1D, A2D, F1D, F2D are authorized and stations used to control remote objects or devices may be operated on the continuous carrier transmit mode, except on frequency 154.600 MHz. 95.1309 Channel use policy. (a) The channels authorized to MURS systems by this part are available on a shared basis only and will not be assigned for the exclusive use of any entity. (b) Those using MURS transmitters must cooperate in the selection and use of channels in order to reduce interference and make the most effective use of authorized facilities. Channels must be selected in an effort to avoid interference to other MURS transmissions. [End of Citation] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 108 From: DrPepper Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 7:57pm Subject: Re: New M.U.R.S. Unlicensed VHF Radio Service starts November 13. DrPepper@... Send Email Send Email Hhhhhmmmmmmmm! This is interesting, , , , , , , , Finally, after 50 years or so, a true "citizens band" service. No more skip, no more noise, no license, just solid point to point, clear, FM communications for Joe Blow. nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, , , , , , , , , ===================================== Harry Marnell wrote: > The rules for the new Multi Use Radio Service (MURS), as shown below, will go into effect on November 13, 2000. > > (EMPHASIS ADDED) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 95.401 (CB Rule 1) What are the Citizens Band Radio Services? > > * * * * * -- 73 de Ron, WB6GKI, 35.37.26N/117.40.02W Grid Square DM15do Ridgecrest, CA USA ----------------------------- 90 miles West of Death Valley, 200 miles North of LAX ----------------------------- DrPepper@... http://www1.iwvisp.com/DrPepper/ 109 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Oct 13, 2000 9:24pm Subject: Re: New M.U.R.S. Unlicensed VHF Radio Service starts November 13. marnells@... Send Email Send Email Yea, but with only five channels, thousands of existing LICENSED and UNLICENSED users on 154.57 & 154.60, and (no doubt) a whole lot other VHF rigs modified and using the freqs at a bazillion watts, it's gonna be pretty bad, especially in populated areas. I'd recommend the three 151 MHz freqs..they're newly authorized freqs, at least. I doubt it will be useful once R/Shack sells a couple thousands... IMAO Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "DrPepper" To: Cc: ; <800band@egroups.com>; Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 12:57 Subject: Re: New M.U.R.S. Unlicensed VHF Radio Service starts November 13. > Hhhhhmmmmmmmm! This is interesting, , , , , , , , > Finally, after 50 years or so, a true "citizens band" service. > No more skip, no more noise, no license, just solid > point to point, clear, FM communications for Joe Blow. > > nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, , , , , , , , , > > ===================================== > > Harry Marnell wrote: > > > The rules for the new Multi Use Radio Service (MURS), as shown below, will go into effect on November 13, 2000. > > > > (EMPHASIS ADDED) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > 95.401 (CB Rule 1) What are the Citizens Band Radio Services? > > > > * * * * * > > -- > 73 de > Ron, WB6GKI, > 35.37.26N/117.40.02W > Grid Square DM15do > Ridgecrest, CA USA > ----------------------------- > 90 miles West of Death Valley, > 200 miles North of LAX > ----------------------------- > DrPepper@... > http://www1.iwvisp.com/DrPepper/ > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > Be sure to check out the "Files" and "Links" regularly. Go to them from the http://www.egroups.com/group/SCANnorCAL > homepage. > > 110 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 5:41pm Subject: CA heckler hacks into police radio transmissions worksntv@... Send Email Send Email (10-16) 00:20 EDT WEST COVINA, Calif. (AP) -- Police officials are warning a hacker who goes by ``One Adam 12'' that breaking into police radio transmissions is illegal. ``He usually comes on around three in the morning for a while, then he goes away,'' police Lt. Jess Ward told the San Gabriel Valley Tribune for Sunday editions. ``He uses foul language and says things that aren't appropriate.'' Ward said the hacker has cut into communications for West Covina and Baldwin Park police, and possibly Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. No law enforcement official would comment by phone on Sunday. ``I'm not sure how he's doing this, because we're all on different frequencies,'' Ward said, adding federal authorities will try to trace the broadcasts. Baldwin Park police Lt. Raul Martinez said the scanner gadfly is more than just an annoyance. ``We could have emergency traffic where officers are trying to get help to a citizen in need, and if this guy is interfering with that we could be losing valuable time trying to get help to that person,'' he said. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2000/10/16/state0 020EDT0210.DTL&type=tech_article 111 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Oct 19, 2000 5:56pm Subject: all kind of radio mods worksntv@... Send Email Send Email http://www.mods.dk/ 112 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Oct 27, 2000 0:23pm Subject: DELAWARE STATE POLICE- worksntv@... Send Email Send Email The News Hound always likes to listen off-duty, so why not the Delaware State Patrol? They have a very nice Web site, including streaming audio from three comm centers in the state. It has one strange quirk--the window is designed to close automatically within an hour (30 seconds if you don't select an audio stream). They apparently want to limit the number of persons who are receiving the audio stream--no, not some sort of secrecy conspiracy! The state Web server just doesn't have the capacity to stream hundreds of persons listening 24-hours a day. Surf: http://webvideoserv.state.de.us/911/DEL-911-test7.shtml 113 From: "Dave Foster" Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 2:53am Subject: Double Clicking Mike. dafcom@... Send Email Send Email While in the Army it very common for us to use the double click as a roger instead of talking. This made it more difficult to be DF'd ( direction found) and also cut down on the amount of traffic on what might be a busy freq. We were taught that within 2 or 3 minutes of being DF'd by the Soviets we could expect incoming artillery. Dave Foster Hollister, Ca. dafcom@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 114 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 3:31pm Subject: OREGON LIVE PROVIDES LIVE POLICE FEED TO PUBLIC marnells@... Send Email Send Email OREGON LIVE PROVIDES LIVE POLICE FEED TO PUBLIC at < http://www.oregonlive.com/policescanner/ > Oregon live subscribes to the Openness philosophy, as a facilitating force in this case. It joins an ever growing list of open systems webcasting! harry 115 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 3:35pm Subject: Re: MICHIGAN STATE POLICE ACCEPTING SCANNER APPLICATIONS marnells@... Send Email Send Email Here's an example of one public safety agency's desire to work with scannists in a compromise situation. This "link" is actually a PDF document. It's an application for scanner use inside a vehicle. Note the application is available to the public, not merely civilians employed as jouranlists. It's at http://www.mpscs.com/com-022.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Lucas" To: Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 08:22 Subject: Re: [RailScan] Scanners in Michigan > i thought it meant you still could not have scanners > in mich. unless you had a ham operaters licence. > > does this mean anyone can have a scanner in mich.? > > steve, ambridge, pa > > > > Please reread the post, the proposed law HAS BEEN > > KILLED. It is no more > > > > > > --- Frederic Lucas wrote: > > > normally i don't do boycotts, because, because > > they > > > hurt whom they are supposed to help. having said > > > that, > > > i say... > > > > > > BOYCOTT MICHIGAN, WHEREVER POSSIBLE!!! > > > > > > perhaps some of the regular working people will > > > pressure the commie's running the mighigan state > > > gov't > > > to change the law. > > > > > > steve, ambridge, pa > > > > > > > I know some of you posted about the upcoming > > > > Michagan scanner law, but: > > > > > > > > posted on Tuesday October 24, @02:14AM > > > > > > > > The ARRL Reports... > > > > A legislative proposal in Michigan that would > > have > > > > regulated the possession > > > > of scanning receivers capable of receiving > > police > > > > frequencies has been > > > > killed. > > > > > > > > Michigan ARRL Section Manager Dick Mondro, > > W8FQT, > > > > reports that the bill's > > > > sponsor scuttled the measure in the wake of > > > > complaints from amateurs--even > > > > though hams were specifically excluded from the > > > > bill's provisions. The > > > > measure, House Bill 6012, would have made it > > > illegal > > > > to have a receiver in a > > > > vehicle that received police frequencies. > > > > "The word to anyone inquiring is that the bill > > is > > > > dead, thanks to the > > > > collective efforts of those that care," he said. > > > > Bill sponsor Rep Mike > > > > Kowall was much more direct and colorful. "Rest > > > > assured that I have driven a > > > > stake through the heart of this bill, and it > > will > > > > never see the light of day > > > > and will die before it reaches the committee > > > > process," he said. > > > > > > > > Kowall said the bill was introduced at the > > request > > > > of the Oakland County > > > > Sheriff's Department. "The intent of the > > > legislation > > > > was to allow police > > > > officers to obtain warrants for criminals in > > > > possession of a hand-held > > > > scanner," he said, adding that it was prompted > > by > > > an > > > > increase in the number > > > > of criminals using the scanners to elude the > > > police > > > > in the commission of a > > > > crime. "Amateur Radio operators play an integral > > > > role in > > > > emergency/management agencies, and their > > freedoms > > > > are guaranteed under the > > > > first amendment of the U S Constitution and > > should > > > > never be challenged," > > > > Kowall concluded. > > > > > > > > Alan Larsson KC2GOC / NYSING-305 > > > > http://way.to/alstown > > > > Webmaster, Genesee & Ontario N-Gineers > > N-Trak > > > > http://www.ggw.org/gno > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's > > FREE. > > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > Visit CG Communications North Jersey RailScan > > > Featuring LIVE Railroad Radio Communications And > > > Frequency Information For The Northern NJ/New York > > > City Metropolitan Area. http://railscan.cjb.net > > > > > > Check Our US Railroad Radio Frequency Database: > > > http://www.egroups.com/group/RailScan > > > Click "Database" And You Can Add Frequencies For > > > Your Area. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > Visit CG Communications North Jersey RailScan > Featuring LIVE Railroad Radio Communications And > Frequency Information For The Northern NJ/New York > City Metropolitan Area. http://railscan.cjb.net > > Check Our US Railroad Radio Frequency Database: > http://www.egroups.com/group/RailScan > Click "Database" And You Can Add Frequencies For Your Area. > > 116 From: jlyrgr49@... Date: Sat Oct 28, 2000 8:10pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 54 jlyrgr49@... Send Email Send Email Really Steve, in Ambridge, Pa. Boycott Michigan ? What a great Idea ! Then all the hardworking good people that live in the state cannot make a living!!! I have lived in Michigan for 51 years and work a real job plus do the announcing at Butler Motor Speedway so you could take 2 jobs away from me. Do ya wanna make another suggestion ?????????????? 73 anyway, Arn, aka the S.O.B With The Microphone 117 From: JEFFREY MICHAEL KENYON Date: Sun Oct 29, 2000 4:57am Subject: another bad apple or apples could be spoiling a good hobby at649@... Send Email Send Email Hello everyone. I'm home here in Detroit, and about a half an hour ago some how a Detroit Police Dispatcher got word that a fighter at this bar downtown, had a scanner, or there were several people with scanners. Detroit is supposed to go APCO25 within the next couple of years, but still this is a big push again to more unfriendly scanner laws. I would imagine that this isn't the first recent run Detroit has had with scanners, but other times as well. 118 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 11:50am Subject: closed system worksntv@... Send Email Send Email A school shooting, a factory fire, a high-speed police chase through the heart of downtown -- residents are used to getting their public safety news fast from the news media that monitor police and fire radios and react quickly. But that will end in Alachua County. http://www.gainesvillesun.com/articles/2000-10-27a.shtml 119 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 4:32pm Subject: Fw: [Openness] USA Today Article marnells@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: David Pinero To: Openness@egroups.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 16:16 Subject: [Openness] USA Today Article My Groups | Openness Main Page I hope everyone checks out an article running in USA Today. It initially deals with Chicago's effort to map crime online. It's a mundane topic since I've posted countless similar articles. What's really interesting, however, is the turn it takes about halfway through. The article begins to speak of how openness techniques are spreading among law enforcement agencies. I don't think there's a better time to be operating a web site about it! http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/cti770.htm Dave To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 120 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 9:26am Subject: OPENNESS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [Openness] USA Today Article Date: 11/06/2000 7:39:56 PM Eastern Standard Time From: tdave365@... (David Pinero) Reply-to: Openness-owner@egroups.com To: Openness@egroups.com I hope everyone checks out an article running in USA Today. It initially deals with Chicago's effort to map crime online. It's a mundane topic since I've posted countless similar articles. What's really interesting, however, is the turn it takes about halfway through. The article begins to speak of how openness techniques are spreading among law enforcement agencies. I don't think there's a better time to be operating a web site about it! http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/cti770.htm Dave To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: openness-unsubscribe@egroups.com 121 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 11:17am Subject: scanner saves officers life worksntv@... Send Email Send Email This is from another list---FYI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- So, in my attempt to set the recod straight on the Scan-DC list, and to show the P25 people that I'm not making it up, I paid $1.75 to retrieve this story from the Frederick News Post. (www.fredericknewspost.com). Enjoy, -Shawn As originally published on Wednesday, January 14, 1998 Scanner may have saved officer's life KATE LECKIE WALKERSVILLE -- The police scanner Ted Brinkerhoff found under the Christmas tree may have saved Officer Edward Hanner's life. On Monday, Officer Hanner was caught up in gunfire as he approached a man in a Golden Mile parking lot wanted in connection with a bank robbery reported across town just minutes before. Mr. Brinkerhoff, 43, of Walkersville, said he was driving his daughter, Cindy, 17, to her job at Kmart when the drama unfolded. "I was listening to the scanner when I heard police talking about the bank robbery. It's ironic because I'd just gotten the scanner for Christmas," he said. "As I came toward the light at Patrick Street and (U.S.) 15, I heard officers giving a better description of the vehicle, a blue Plymouth-type car with no plates on the back. I thought to myself, 'He's probably headed this way.' " "The next thing I knew, I looked up and I saw this blue car coming my way -- and it didn't have a plate. I called 911 right away and then was switched to Frederick City Police," he said. Once Mr. Brinkerhoff spotted the vehicle, which turned out to be a Dodge Dynasty, he kept a close watch from a discreet distance away. "The man wasn't driving faster than he should have been, and he used his turn signal before entering the parking lot (at the Frederick County Square shopping center)," Mr. Brinkerhoff said. "He wasn't being stupid. He knew what he was doing. That's why he backed his car into the space the way he did to put the plate back on. And he blended in with traffic at that time of the morning." For 10 minutes, the Walkersville man kept a running dialogue going with police dispatcher Laura Kyle, telling her what the man was doing. "He looked at me a few times, so I would change the ear I had the phone to," he said. Then he saw the lone police officer arrive at the scene. About 15 seconds later, Mr. Brinkerhoff spotted the gun as the man pulled it from a bag in the car. "I couldn't hear what was said, but I saw the man point it at the officer through the car. Shots were fired, and the man fell. (But) I don't believe the police officer hit him first." Cindy Brinkerhoff, a junior at Walkersville High, said she was scared throughout the ordeal. "I was afraid something would go wrong. I didn't think this was something that could happen to us." A nighttime delivery man for seven years, Mr. Brinkerhoff said he's accustomed to using his cellular phone to report suspicious things he sees during his travels along Frederick County roads. "I'm used to being the third eye, keeping a look out for what's happening around me, noticing when I might see kids places where they shouldn't be. But I've never seen anything like this," he said. "I think every car should have a police monitor and a cell phone," he said. "I always figured it'd be a good thing to have in my van. Now I'm really glad Santa was listening." 122 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Nov 9, 2000 11:33am Subject: VOTERS REJECT CLOSED SYSTEM worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [project25] Berrien County MI Date: 11/09/2000 9:05:29 AM Eastern Standard Time From: lisbon45@... Reply-to: project25@egroups.com To: project25@egroups.com I have just finished posting approx 10 articles concerning Tuesday's referendum in Berrien County MI to raise $6.1 million to purchase digital radios (+ pagers + ?GPS) for the local public safety agencies. The articles can be found in the archives of alt.radio.scanner, fireradio@onelist.com, sonofrcma@onelist.com, or scan-l@onelist.com. The archives are available to the public at www.onelist.com or www.deja.com. The referendum failed. There was no mention in the newspaper articles about "a closed radio system". There was one article on Nov ?5 about a police officer who almost lost his life - the perp had a scanner. (The scanner is only part of the story). Peter S 123 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 8:53pm Subject: DX ON 2? worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [PaHam] DELAWARE VALLEY 2 METER FM SIMPLEX CONTEST ANNOUNCED! Date: 11/12/2000 9:42:15 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Wa3pzo@... Sender: owner-paham@... Reply-to: Wa3pzo@... To: paham@... Club reps, newsletter editors, etc. We hope you will support this local 2 meter contest. Please pass the word at your club meetings, in your newsletter, on the internet and on the air. We believe this will generate a lot of activity. Opportunities exist to create some excitement in your own club by sponsoring club awards and operating aclub station. Read on. If you have any questions, please contact me. Bob, WA3PZO, President HARC, wa3pzo@... ======== DELAWARE VALLEY 2 METER FM SIMPLEX CONTEST ANNOUNCED! (Philadelphia, PA) The Holmesburg Amateur Radio Club of Philadelphia is pleased to announce the first Delaware Valley 2 Meter Simplex Contest to be held February 3, 2001. The contest is open to all radio amateurs. Stations within a 60 mile radius of Philadelphia's City Hall will exchange their zip code and contact number. Stations outside of the 60 mile radius will exchange their state and contact number. Stations from New York to Maryland will be able to participate in this evening event. According to HARC President Bob Josuweit, WA3PZO, the contest is designed for hams to have fun over a 4 hour period from 7-11 PM on a Saturday night. The contest allows hams to meet their neighbors on the air as well as give many the opportunity to experience something else besides repeater contacts. The 60 mile radius reaches just about all of the county boundaries surrounding Philadelphia. This also opens up an opportunity for approximately 60 clubs to participate in the event. When choosing City Hall as the center of the contest, Josuweit noted the statue of William Penn on top of City Hall. "What better center point for the contest and the sponsoring organization whose club call is WM3PEN." The contest gives individuals as well as clubs to participate in the event. Bonus points are being allowed for contacting club stations/callsigns. "We realize that everyone will not be able to contact WM3PEN so we're giving clubs a chance to put their club callsign on the air." This could be from a club station or an individual's home. "We don't know what the weather will be in February, but this gives everyone the chance to operate from home." Clubs wishing to enter a club callsign as a bonus point contact station in the event are asked to send a note to WM3PEN@.... by December 16, 2000. A complete list of all bonus stations will be published by December 22, 2000. Contacts can be made on any 2 meter FM voice frequency provided there is no interference to repeater, digital, satellite, or other activities taking place in the two meter band. Contacts on 146.52 will not be permitted. HARC members are excited about the event. Here's a contest where they can spend a few hours on the radio, participate in a contest, and not be tied up for an entire day or weekend. The idea of a 2 meter simplex contest originated in Western Pennsylvania with the Wireless Society of South Hills. They will be holding a 2 meter simplex contest in January. Awards will be issued to individual top scores in a high and low power category. Club station awards will also be issued in the high and low power category. There is also an opportunity for Clubs to sponsor awards for their members in a high and low power categories. An award will also be issued for the highest mobile score. For further information contact WM3PEN@... or WA3PZO@.... SAMPLE CONTACT EXCHANGE 1. If you live in the 60 mile radius of William Penn (Philadelphia City Hall) KB3AKK de WA3PZO Pse copy Nr.1 zip 19136 2. If you live outside of the 60 mile radius WA3PZO de N3EFN Pse copy Nr. 1 PA. 3. If you work HARC's club call WM3PEN exchange your information and make a note that it is the sponsoring club call and worth 3 points. Other club calls will be worth 2 points. All other contacts count as 1 point. Final score will be the number of contacts X the number of zip codes/states in high (10W or more) and low power (less than 10W) categories. Individual, club station, and mobile awards will be issued. Clubs can issue their own membership awards. A list of zip codes up to 60 miles from Philadelphia's City Hall is available. --- 124 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 9:45pm Subject: cruise ship-question worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I have crusied several times on Royal Caribbean and will be taking another trip soon on Carnival. Does anyone have a list of freqs used onboard? Any help would be appreciated... 125 From: Angelboo07@... Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 4:24pm Subject: (no subject) Angelboo07@... Send Email Send Email Hi, everyone!!! I'm Kristen and I just joined the group! I am really looking forward to getting to know some of you guys and learning more about my favorite hobby..SCANNING!!! I am a transplanted native Floridian from Satellite Beach living in upstate NY. I don't miss it much..ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE'RE THE DRAMA CAPITAL OF THE WORLD!! :) I am 22, a college student, and I like movies, rock, techno, pop, R&B, shopping, talking on the phone, making new friends, reading real crime novels, dancing, swimming but of course my favorite hobby of all is SCANNING!!! I have been scanning for the past 8 years. I own 4 scanners...a BearCat 200XLT, a BearCat 2500XLT, a Radio Shack Pro 39 HyperScan, and a Radio Shack TrunkTracker. I am kinda shy but I enjoy meeting new people..so don't hesitate to im me if you have AOL or email me! 126 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Nov 17, 2000 10:22am Subject: Fire Repeaters worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [phlscanner] addendum to Delaware Fire Repeaters Date: 11/16/2000 9:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time From: hai_akeeba@... Reply-to: phlscanner@egroups.com To: phlscanner@egroups.com 154.340 Port Penn PL136.5 repeats 800mhz New Castle County 154.445 Robbins Hose PL173.8 repeats 800mhz Kent County controlled by City of Dover, active only when city of Dover alerted 154.235 Sussex County 453.050 Seaford 453.125 Bridgeville 453.225 Indian River PL136.5 repeats 800 mhz Sussex County 453.250 Rehoboth PL136.5 fire ground F3/F4 453.300 " PL136.5 repeats 33.78 active only during alert 453.475 Memorial VFCo PL131.8 repeats 800mhz Sussex County 453.475 " PL136.5 repeats 33.78 453.550 Laurel 453.900 Elsmere PL192.8 repeats 800 mhz New Castle County 453.900 Seaford repeats 800 mhz Sussex County Controlled by town of Seaford, active only during alert. 460.550 Lewes 460.575 Cranston Heights repeats 33.78, active only during alerts 460.600 Talleyville PL179.9 repeats 800mhz. New Castle County 460.600 Bethany Beach PL88.5 repeats 800 mhz Sussex County 460.625 Aetna H.H.&L. PL192.8 repeats 800 mhz New Castle County 460.625 Carlisle(Milford) PL250.3 repeats 800mhz Kent County 500.7875 Mill Creek PL 203.5 repeats 800 mhz. New Castle County 33.780 Is used for alerting tones and primary dispatch only, after initial dispatch, no further transmissions are heard, Those stations repeating 800mhz transmissions, have their radios on scan and are re-broadcasting Dispatch and call back as well as TAC channels and EMS ops. Thanks to Uttini for the use of his PRO-92, without which this endeavor would not have been possible, hai_akeeba 127 From: Angelboo07@... Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 2:06pm Subject: SCANNER LINKS Angelboo07@... Send Email Send Email Hi, everyone!!! Just want to pass on some links you may be interested in...you probably have some of these already but if not...enjoy!!! I'll send more later!! Kris Radio Comm Conf One APBnews.com: Crime, Justice, Safety Stupid Scanner Tricks scanning reference#2 Scanner Way scanning reference Gerry's --- Scanner frequencies Police Scanners Welcome to ScannerNet! Your complete source for police scanner information Top 50 Scanner Sites! Police Scanner Scanners..Scanscene alt.radio.scanner (unread) RCF Message Boards alt.radio.uk (unread) alt.radio.scanner.uk (unread) rec.radio.scanner (unread) 128 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 11:32pm Subject: test,is anybody getting egroups' messages this Sat afternoon?? marnells@... Send Email Send Email 129 From: "Rex Emerson" Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 11:34pm Subject: Re: test,is anybody getting egroups' messages this Sat afternoon?? emerson@... Send Email Send Email I got it..... Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Marnell" To: ; <800band@egroups.com>; ; ; Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: test,is anybody getting egroups' messages this Sat afternoon?? > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > 130 From: Jerry Date: Sat Nov 18, 2000 11:43pm Subject: Re: test,is anybody getting egroups' messages this Sat afternoon?? scan_nys@... Send Email Send Email Have been getting messages all day. --- Harry Marnell wrote: > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ 131 From: jimmnn@... Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 0:10am Subject: test,is anybody getting egroups' messages this Sat afternoon?? jimmnn@... Send Email Send Email Yes no problems here. 132 From: David Patterson Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 1:13am Subject: Programming help for BC235xlt davidp@... Send Email Send Email I can't find my owners manual for my Uniden BC235xlt and therefore have what will be a simple question for somebody with a manual, or somebody who reprograms his unit often. I need to add some additional frequencies to one of my trunking banks. One of the local counties has added 9 (I think) new freqs. I know that adding conventional channels is very straightforward........you just stop on the channel number where you want to add a freq, punch in the frequency numbers, and hit E for enter. However, I recall that when entering freqs for a trunking system, there is some other keystroke needed.........maybe a DATA or a TRUNKING key thrown in there somewhere. Anybody mind jogging my feeble memory on this? Also, this is for Cobb County Georgia. Does anybody have the true skinny on what the new freqs are? I have guessed at 9 of them by doing a search and listening for Cobb traffic. Best regards, David Patterson 133 From: Jerry Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 1:53am Subject: Re: Programming help for BC235xlt scan_nys@... Send Email Send Email www.uniden.com They have online manuals --- David Patterson wrote: > I can't find my owners manual for my Uniden BC235xlt and > therefore have what will be a simple question for > somebody > with a manual, or somebody who reprograms his unit often. > > I need to add some additional frequencies to one of my > trunking > banks. One of the local counties has added 9 (I think) > new > freqs. I know that adding conventional channels is very > straightforward........you just stop on the channel > number where > you want to add a freq, punch in the frequency numbers, > and hit > E for enter. However, I recall that when entering > freqs for a trunking > system, there is some other keystroke > needed.........maybe a DATA > or a TRUNKING key thrown in there somewhere. > > Anybody mind jogging my feeble memory on this? > > Also, this is for Cobb County Georgia. Does anybody > have the > true skinny on what the new freqs are? I have guessed at > 9 of them > by doing a search and listening for Cobb traffic. > > Best regards, > > David Patterson > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ 134 From: David Patterson Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 3:52am Subject: Re: Programming help for BC235xlt davidp@... Send Email Send Email At 05:53 PM 11/18/00 -0800, Jerry wrote: >www.uniden.com > >They have online manuals > > Thanks.........I found it after about a 20 minute navigation. I knew that they had online manuals, but I had to load another plug-in to my browser, and I thought it was ok to ask a question of the group and hope for a quick answer. Remember the 8th grade teacher who always answered every question by saying "You can look that up in the library" ? Of course you can look it up. You can also ask another person if they know the answer. For what it's worth........the answer I was looking for : Hold down the trunk button for a few seconds until you hear two beeps........that puts you in trunk programming mode. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks. dp 135 From: Mark Date: Sun Nov 19, 2000 8:47am Subject: Re: test,is anybody getting egroups' messages this Sat afternoon?? aa6dx@... Send Email Send Email Ma Bell went doo doo ca ca for most of today .. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Marnell" To: ; <800band@egroups.com>; ; ; Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: test,is anybody getting egroups' messages this Sat afternoon?? > > > > > Be sure to check out the "Files" and "Links" regularly. Go to them from the http://www.egroups.com/group/SCANnorCAL > homepage. > 136 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Nov 24, 2000 10:58am Subject: SHEPHERD MAKES FIRST CASUAL QSOs FROM ISS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I am posting this for scanner listeners---You can listen to 145.800 to hear the space station. ---------------------------------------- The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station program has announced that Commander William "Shep" Shepherd, KD5GSL, made the first casual Amateur Radio contacts from Space Station Alpha last week. Details were not available. Shepherd reports that he was able to take a few minutes out of his busy schedule last Friday, November 17, to engage in contacts with a few lucky hams. Before then, the only Amateur Radio contacts involved engineering test passes between the ISS and Russian and US amateur facilities. ARISS spokesman Will Marchant, KC6ROL, says that with the recent arrival at ISS of a Progress cargo craft, the crew will have to redouble its work pace. The space shuttle Endeavour STS-97 mission to the ISS will launch November 30, so the Expedition 1 crew will continue to put in some long hours preparing for its arrival. Endeavour is carrying a large new solar panel for the ISS that will permit the station to be fully powered for the first time. More information about Amateur Radio on the International Space Station is available on the ARISS Web site, http://ariss.gsfc.nasa.gov/ .--ARISS news release [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 137 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 9:30am Subject: scanner hacker worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Police seek person hacking into squad-car radios Tools Print this page Police seek person hacking into squad-car radios Friday, December 1, 2000 Minneapolis police have set up a telephone hot line for information about a hacker who has been illegally broadcasting on squad-car radios in the metro area. At least once a week in Minneapolis for the past two months, a male voice has broadcast a message directly to a single squad car: "Send help, I've been shot." Dispatchers then must check with the officers on duty to assure nobody is hurt, said Tom Donohoe, the Minneapolis 911 center's assistant director. "It takes time away from legitimate emergencies," he said. Sometimes the hacker gives an address and police respond with lights and sirens, Donohoe said. Police assume only one person is hacking, but aren't sure, he said. Minneapolis officers first learned of the hacker in the spring of 1999. He broadcast for a couple of months, but quit until last April. The calls usually happen in the evening, Donohoe said. The hacker has patched calls from another police department onto channels used by Minneapolis, Donohoe said. This also has happened in Burnsville, another frequent target of the hacker, he said. Anybody with information can call the hot line at 612-673-5337. -- David Chanen Return to top © Copyright 2000 Star Tribune. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 138 From: JEFFREY MICHAEL KENYON Date: Sat Dec 2, 2000 7:29pm Subject: Re: scanner hacker at649@... Send Email Send Email Hi, I forgot to post this while I was home last week but Detroit also had a hacker on one of their districts. The person said that he was "Satan" and that they were all going to burn in hell. It seems as though Detroit has had this happen several times over the past couple of months. The first time it happened that I heard was last summer, and the reactions have either been the dispatchers taking the system out of repeat to them telling the person to knock off the bad language. Are there any other places where this has happened recently? On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 worksntv@... wrote: > > > Police seek person hacking into squad-car radios > > > > Tools > > Print this page > Police seek person hacking into squad-car radios > > > Friday, December 1, 2000 > > > Minneapolis police have set up a telephone hot line for information > about a hacker who has been illegally broadcasting on squad-car radios in the > metro area. > > At least once a week in Minneapolis for the past two months, a male > voice has broadcast a message directly to a single squad car: "Send help, > I've been shot." Dispatchers then must check with the officers on duty to > assure nobody is hurt, said Tom Donohoe, the Minneapolis 911 center's > assistant director. > > "It takes time away from legitimate emergencies," he said. > > Sometimes the hacker gives an address and police respond with lights > and sirens, Donohoe said. > > Police assume only one person is hacking, but aren't sure, he said. > Minneapolis officers first learned of the hacker in the spring of 1999. He > broadcast for a couple of months, but quit until last April. The calls > usually happen in the evening, Donohoe said. > > The hacker has patched calls from another police department onto > channels used by Minneapolis, Donohoe said. This also has happened in > Burnsville, another frequent target of the hacker, he said. > > Anybody with information can call the hot line at 612-673-5337. > > -- David Chanen > > > Return to top © Copyright 2000 Star Tribune. All rights reserved. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > 139 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 9:29am Subject: SCANNER INFO AND FUN! worksntv@... Send Email Send Email This is a good and funny scanner site-- Posted by M.A. Coletta on December 08, 2000 at 13:22:10: > The 87th episode of > The Adventures of Scanner Dweeb comic strip > titled "All I want for Christmas" > is ready for your viewing pleasure at > http://www.ScannerDweeb.com > And thanks for your support of the hobby of radio scanning. > Happy Holidays ! > The Adventures of Scanner Dweeb > ScannerDweeb eGroup > ScanShack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 140 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 0:09pm Subject: HAMS IN SPACE worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Downlink is 145.800 ----------------------------- HANOVER, Pa. (AP) _ Randy Shriver is a ham radio operator who's really out there. On Nov. 13 at 5:54 a.m., Shriver talked briefly with Commander Bill Shepherd in the international space station 1,400 miles away. And that wasn't the first time he has contacted astronauts in orbit. Timing is everything, he said. Contact has to happen within seconds before the space station and its crew orbit out of radio range. During his latest communication, ``I knew I had about 30 seconds to make contact,'' Shriver said. The contact lasted a 20 seconds, but it was long enough for Shepherd to tell Shriver, ``You are my first contact from the space station.'' The space station was traveling 17,500 mph between Florida and Newfoundland that morning, Shriver said. ``You have to know exactly, to the second, where they are.'' For nearly half of his 33 years, he has followed NASA flights and has contacted space shuttle missions 45 times. On the second floor of his home, Shriver has a room, known to hams as a ``radio shack,'' filled with electronic equipment. Sitting before an array of radios, transceivers, dials and screens, he monitors the activities in outer space. On his left is a computer monitor indicating the space station's exact location. Lines resembling an overview of a large roller coaster show each orbit as the space station travels around the Earth. Outside, his home is flanked by four towers with several types of antennas. Some he can rotate to scan the skies for radio signals. Shriver said the antennas are very similar to TV antennas. Shriver's accomplishment will be featured in the February edition of ``Amateur Radio CQ'' magazine. Next summer, Shriver said he hopes to use the newest satellite for ham radio operators. ``It was launched recently, and the next seven months it will be tested to make sure it's in the right orbit,'' he said. ``It's the most powerful satellite to date. It's the future of ham radio.'' (Copyright 2000 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) APTV 12-17-00 1204EST< [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 141 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 0:25pm Subject: HELP THE HAMS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email We scanner listeners may be able to help ham radio operators--Page down to the 6th paragraph to see the frequency to listen to-- Bob WB3DYE ------------------------------------------- AMSAT reports there's a problem aboard AO-40. The Amateur Radio satellite has not been heard from since December 13, and for the AO-40 ground crew the silence is deafening. AMSAT says the AO-40 development team is looking into the problem, but it might not have any answers until December 16. That's when the onboard computer is expected to automatically reset itself and, it's hoped, restart the beacon transmission. "All we know is we've got a problem," said AMSAT-NA President Robin Haighton, VE3FRH. "I've got all my toes and fingers crossed." Haighton said the problem may or may not be related to earlier difficulties getting AO-40's 400-Newton motor to fire properly. Ground controllers adjusted the satellite's orbit earlier this week, but as a result of fuel-valve problems, AO-40 ended up in a higher-than-planned orbit. Monday's orbit-adjusting burn lasted three minutes longer than planned, sending AO-40 into a 60,000 km (37,200 mile) apogee rather than the planned 50,000 km (31,000 miles). AMSAT reports that 2-meter telemetry transmissions from AO-40 stopped early Wednesday, December 13, while work on the 400-Newton propulsion system was in progress. "A lot of people are putting their heads together," Haighton said, but until the telemetry transmission reappears, not much will be known. "It's very frustrating," he said. Earlier AMSAT reports indicated that the onboard IHU-2 computer could be responsible for the missing telemetry. The IHU-2 has suffered several crashes, and when the computer goes down, so does the telemetry, although a weak, unmodulated carrier should remain. Haighton said the IHU-2 takes a couple of days to time out and reboot, "and then we're in business, we hope." Monitors around the world are listening for any signal from AO-40. Maxim Memorial Station W1AW and other amateurs have reported hearing a weak, unmodulated carrier on the 145.898 MHz beacon frequency since the telemetry stopped. It's not known for sure if the signals are coming from AO-40, however. AMSAT says onboard software events set to occur Saturday afternoon are programmed to start a spacecraft emergency routine called "command-assist" that attempts to re-establish communication. Once communication is re-established, AMSAT says, ground controllers will have their best chance to recover any evidence of the incident that made the telemetry transmissions stop. In the meantime, it's a tense waiting game. "If we knew where the beacon was, we wouldn't have a problem," Haighton said. The next-generation Amateur Radio satellite formerly known as Phase 3D was launched in mid-November. For more information on AO-40, visit the AMSAT-NA Web site, http://www.amsat.org. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 142 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 0:32pm Subject: MID EASTERN SCANNER LISTENERS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email ==>ARISS PINS DOWN DATE, TIME FOR FIRST SCHOOL CONTACT Tuesday, December 19, will be a banner day at Luther Burbank Elementary School in Burbank, Illinois. The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station--or ARISS--program has announced that a dozen youngsters at the Burbank School will be the first to get a chance to talk to the ISS Expedition 1 crew via Amateur Radio. The approximately 10-minute pass will start at around 2100 UTC--or around 3 PM Central Time. ARISS had announced two possible dates late last week. Getting the schedule pinned down was not easy. "With multiple spacewalks, and lots of repairs on the ISS, the schedulers and crews have been extremely busy," said ARISS spokesperson Will Marchant, KC6ROL. With space shuttle Endeavour back on Earth, NASA was able to turn its attention to working out a schedule for the contact. SAREX/ARISS veteran mentor Charlie Sufana, AJ9N, who's in charge of setting up the Amateur Radio station at the Chicago-area school, said he, several other amateurs, a few parents and the school's principal installed two antennas on the school's roof over the past weekend. Sufana said this week that recent heavy snow in the Chicago area was helping to keep the temporary antennas in place. The ISS downlink will be on 145.80 MHz. Marchant says efforts are under way to set up a Web cast of the occasion. The Burbank School is located on the southwest side of Chicago and has a population of 700 pupils in kindergarten through eighth grade. Another 18 schools are under consideration for ARISS school contacts. Burbank teacher Rita Wright says she and her colleagues have been incorporating ISS and space-related themes into the curriculum and have developed a Burbank School/ISS "mission patch." More information about requesting dedicated contacts is available on the ARISS web pages, http://ariss.gsfc.nasa.gov/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 143 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 0:46pm Subject: Good Scanner Deed worksntv@... Send Email Send Email This is ANOTHER example of how law abiding citizens with scanners can help law enforcement-- If you know of any agency which wants to go digital--this should be brought to their attention--Feel free to pass it along-- Bob Subj: Good Scanner Deed - Arlington MA Date: 12/16/2000 10:42:29 AM Eastern Standard Time From: zerg90@... (peter szerlag) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: zerg90@... (peter szerlag) To: SCAN-L@... 14 Dec 2000 - a cold evening. (not positive on the date - I wrote down everything but the date - possibly the 13th). Around 2125 hours Arlington MA PD made a broadcast on BAPERN 3 (470.7875R the Metro Boston Area police mutual aid channel) that a 90 year old male was missing in East Arlington. So I switched on 471.1625R (the Arlington PD channel). At 2140, the dispatcher broadcast that the man was in front of the movie theater in East Arlington at (204 Mass Ave). Shortly thereafter a police unit reported that no one was there matching the description. The patrol supervisor sent 1 car to check the other movie theater in town. At 2142 the dispatcher said that the reported sighting had come from a person driving by in a automobile with a scanner. At 2148 the man was found nearby (at 180 Mass Ave) and returned to his home in East Arlington (off of 147 Mass Ave) without the need for medical attention. Peter S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 144 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 11:37am Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Spotted this on a service I subscribe to--Thought you might be interested-- Bob WB3DYE ------------------- We haven't seen too many Web sites like this--the Seattle (Wash.) Fire Department has posted a page that allows surfers to view a list of current and past incidents. You can simply press on "Today" to see what's occurred on the same day, or put in a specific past date to view other incidents. It's not explained explicitly, but it appears that incidents from CAD aren't listed, but only after they're handled and closed out. Check the main site for other incident reports that you can generate on-line. Surf: http://www2.cityofseattle.net/fire/GetDatePubTab.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 145 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Dec 29, 2000 0:59pm Subject: E MAIL HIM WITH ANY INFO U HAVE worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [TrunkCom] Can codes be restricted by city/county law? Date: 12/27/2000 6:05:30 PM Eastern Standard Time From: afn09444@... (Todd L. Sherman/KB4MHH) Sender: owner-trunkcom@... Reply-to: afn09444@... (Todd L. Sherman/KB4MHH) To: trunkcom@... (Trunkcom List) --- Submissions: trunkcom@... --- Just joined the group so forgive me if this has been discussed at length in here before. I don't know and would like to. I run the Northern FLorida Area Scannist's page, and the page "Mobile Scanner and RADAR-Detector Laws in the U.S." Up to this point, I've only had to worry about tracking state laws. Now I'm finding myself dealing into federal level, and state level NON-scanner laws, and on top of that having to learn all about this thing they call "trunking." Gainesville, Florida is finally switching over to an Astro Digital II system for it's public service agency comms. The comms will be _digital_, but not encrypted/scrambled, to my knowledge - which would then protect the comms from monitoring under federal law. The system is owned, operated and maintained by Gainesville Regional Utilities (henceforth, "GRU"). GRU wants to keep the codes secret, so they somehow convinced the local legislature to actually create an anti-monitoring law - totally out of the blue - with no announcement except that "it will be done" at the last minute in the local newspaper. The law originally was going to outright deny ANYBODY the ability to monitor - including Press, by unanimous decision. Then the local Press complained, and they, and licensed hams, and licensed alarm system contractors (just as the state laws says - which they used as example to form this law) are exempted. GRU continually keeps referring to these programmable "codes" as "their algorithms," as if this is something they can control and make a local law preventing people from finding out and then using. What they mean are - the digits you need to program your trunking scanner to follow the freqs (and the actual radios). Am I right? BUT, this is not considered "protectable," is it?...and certainly nothing they can actually make a local LAW to try to keep people from entering those codes. Am I correct? As far as I'm aware, even if digital, unless it's SCRMABLED, it is not protected under state OR federal law. As well, we're talking about PUBLIC SERVICE agencies here. Last I heard, they were not protected by "privacy" rights. (They want that, get a cell phone.) Sre these "codes" considered trademarked (or whatever the appropriate word is)? That is, the Motorolas can be programmed with these codes by anyone, but can the code GRU enters itself be considered "encrypting/scrambling," or trademarked? Does GRU even know what it's talking about? Or are they just giving us confusing double talk in order to confuse the legislature (and the people) and to get their way with a restrictive law - when actually, they haven't got ground to stand on? I'm only aware of Wilmington, Delaware actually trying to do anything similar. Are there other places? Was anyone successful in knocking it down (the law, that is)? I want to go before the local Commission and ask some questions, and offer something to convince them to abandon this law. I don't think they know what they're talking about. GRU's lawyer is doing all the talking and he sounds confused, vague, like he doesn't know what he's talking about. But, they need someone who DOES. Meanwhile, he's confusing everybody who reads the Press articles because he's the guy they're using to get the comments from and who is spreading all of the information. Are the codes you can program the radios with available in the public specs? and would that then make this moot, unprotectable? Do I sound like I'm even HALFWAY understanding things, here? They WHAMMED us last minute with this by surprise; and up until now, I didn't think I'd really need to understand the technology all that much - except perhaps to just program a scanner. But now, if I want to sound like I know my stuff, I have to learn exactly how things work INSIDE the technology, and study up on all the related laws, too. God. I can go to the law library and find the scanner laws and retranscribe them to the web page. That's easy. But I've never had to do THIS, before. Can somebody help me decipher just what's up, here? and give me some ammo to shoot it down with? Todd --------------------------------------- Todd L. Sherman/KB4MHH Gainesville, Alachua County, Florida E-mail: afn09444@... Web Page: http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/ --------------------------------------- _______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email as follows: TO: majordomo@... SUBJECT: MESSAGE: unsubscribe trunkcom or MESSAGE: unsubscribe trunkcom-digest [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 146 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Dec 29, 2000 1:12pm Subject: Alachua Co. FL digital worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: RE: [UnidenBC780XLT] Date: 12/29/2000 3:05:09 AM Eastern Standard Time From: jayostertag@... (Jay Ostertag) Reply-to: UnidenBC780XLT@egroups.com To: UnidenBC780XLT@egroups.com ('UnidenBC780XLT@egroups.com') My uncle is a SGT for this SO. He said that it's a Motorola Digital Astro 800 MHz trunk system. This system has been in the works for over 6 years now. Built a new comm center and everything. J -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hirsch [SMTP:thirsch@...] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 01:51 To: unidenbc780xlt@egroups.com Subject: [UnidenBC780XLT] Alachua Co. FL digital Gainesville Sun Tuesday, December 26, 2000 Area scanner buffs face silent channels By CINDY SWIRKO Sun staff writer The scratchy talk, spoken codes and beeping tones of a police scanner are a lifeline for Rita Daughtery and a cash line for Jim Calderon. But come May, they will have to find some other way to keep in touch with the crimes and emergencies of Alachua County. Daughtery and Calderon listen to police radios for two very different reasons, but they are among local scanner buffs who will no longer be able to hear police and fire communications when a new digital system is fully implemented by May. Only four public groups will be allowed access to the system if they want it - the news media, amateur radio operators, alarm system contractors and neighborhood crime watch groups. The public at large will not be allowed access, said Skip Manasco, the Gainesville Regional Utilities' attorney. It will be a loss for Daughtery, who spends much of her time at home because diabetes has left her blind and unable to work. "I will miss it. It's like cutting another part of me off," Daughtery said. ''I just enjoy it. I enjoy it especially during storms and things like that. It keeps me informed." Calderon, meanwhile, earns some extra cash by photographing accident scenes involving commercial vehicles. He sells the pictures to insurance companies and investigators. Without hearing police and emergency communications about dispatches, Calderon won't know about accidents. "It's going to hurt the business I am trying to build up," Calderon said. "If I hear it on the scanners, I can get there in plenty of time before they remove the vehicles. Sometimes I get there even before they get the victims out." Most public safety agencies broadcast on an analog system that can be heard over scanners as inexpensive as $150. The channel numbers for the different agencies are readily available from electronics stores, the Internet and other sources. The new system is digital and is being purchased and operated by GRU. The communications cannot be heard on analog scanners, and no digital scanners exist. Instead, the equipment needed to hear the communications are radios that must either be purchased or leased, and then programmed with the signals by GRU. Purchase prices start at about $4,000 per radio. But even if a scanner buff is willing to pay the price, the agencies would not allow GRU to would not program the radios with the signals necessary to hear the communications. Manasco said Florida law limits access to news organizations, amateur radio enthusiasts, alarm system contractors and neighborhood crime watch groups. The law deals specifically with installing a scanner in a car or business. But Manasco said GRU's reading of the law is that the Legislature intended to limit the use of scanners for public safety. "We want to be consistent with what we believe the statute is. Joe Blow citizen won't be able to come in and do it," Manasco said. "The intent of the Legislature was to keep people from chasing after emergency vehicles. We're going to apply it across the board because these (radios) are portable units," he said. "We're not going to give them to anybody who's not on that list. We think it's defensible because we think that was the intent of the Legislature. That list is big enough and broad enough." Gainesville resident Todd Sherman, an amateur radio operator, has a Web site dedicated to scanner issues and state and federal scanner laws. Sherman said a lot of scanner buffs tune in to the devices in Alachua County but added he has not heard from people who are concerned about a lack of access to the new system. Overseeing the system is the Radio Management Board, a panel of representatives from the public safety agencies that will use the system. Sherman said he plans to contact the board about public access to the system. Cindy Swirko can be reached at 374-5024 or at swirkoc@... . Community email addresses: Post message: UnidenBC780XLT@onelist.com Subscribe: UnidenBC780XLT-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: UnidenBC780XLT-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: UnidenBC780XLT-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/UnidenBC780XLT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Community email addresses: Post message: UnidenBC780XLT@onelist.com Subscribe: UnidenBC780XLT-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: UnidenBC780XLT-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: UnidenBC780XLT-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/UnidenBC780XLT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 147 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 8:39am Subject: BC780xlt Owners Manual Online marnells@... Send Email Send Email I've uploaded the 100 page BC780XLT owner's manual to my website. It's in .pdf format, at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/bc780xlt.htm along with some older '780 info. Harry 148 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Jan 4, 2001 3:31am Subject: VERY First impressions of the 780XLT (after one hour) marnells@... Send Email Send Email First, I wish to thank Clint Bradford, Sales Manager for PREMIER Communications (1-800-666-2654) < http://www.adi-radio.com/Default.htm >, who market ADI & Pryme 2-way radios and accesories, for providing me with his own still-in-the-box Uniden BC780XLT to evaluate. If I may add this disclaimer, as far as I know Premier isn't involved in the scanner business in any way, nor am I connected with Premier or Uniden. Having said that, however, I'll add that I'm a very satisfied owner of an ADI AR-146 2-meter ham mobile rig, and an ADI AT-600 dual-band handheld. (I have a couple Yaesu's too...). Thanks, Clint! Also, I don't know when or from whom it was purchased, or the price or delivery time, since it was sent on to me by the actual buyer. After having the 780 in my home for about an hour, here are my first observations. No test equipment, using supplied telescoping antenna on my kitchen table.... A couple years ago when I worked for a radio retailer, I got an AOR AR-8000 to "test drive." I couldn't let the manual out of my sight even after two weeks. Had to refer to it to do most anything beyond turning it on or off. It did OK as a radio, but to me, nothing in its operation made any sense at all. When I returned it to my boss, I told him "I guess it's all right, but I wouldn't buy one." So here's this 780XLT. I've owned probably 20+ scanners and a couple pre-scanner "moritor" radios, so I'm fairly comfortable with them. Without even getting the manual out of its bag, I figured out how to plug the thing in and attach the antenna. Years of radio-listening experience had paid off. Following the usual Uniden/Bearcat keypad routine, I entered my local PD's frequency on my first attempt. It worked. Having read on the 'net about all the bells and whistles, I immediately wanted to use the Alpha tags. NOT an "intuitive" process, so I unwrapped and opened the manual. "Holy bucket of nuts," I thought to myself, "This is gonna be a pain. Not another AR8000 I hope!" Lots of multi-multi-purpose buttons, complicated-looking keystroke patterns. Even after 30+ years of scanning it LOOKED like it was gonna be tough. So I took it one small step at a time, and within 30 minutes I can program for scannng and searching, including the alpha tags, and other options, just by watching the prompts on the display. The commands are all pretty easy to pick up; logical if not necessarily intuitive. I haven't yet gotten to DCS & CTCSS tones, the attenuator, or other "extras." Some initial things: Sitting on dining table, 20 feet away, the bottom-firing audio is a bit muffled, but readable. An external speaker would help, especially when mobile. 50-channel banks probably too large for this rural area...maybe twenty 25-channel banks would be better; but for trunked systems that would be too small. How about user-defined bank sizes? For some reason, it came with two identical telescoping (21") antennas - packing error? Still waiting to hear anything on VHF low. I like the "service search" selections. The "special freqs" service bank is rather unusual, wonder how useful it will be. Up to 10 regular "Search" ranges can be stored. Glad they kept that. And you can alpha-tag them, too. And lock-out unwanted freqs from search, just like from scanning. NICE selection of channel-specific delays, including several "limited time" settings, where scanning will resume after 2, 5 or 10 seconds of transmissions, regardless if they're still talking. I think I'm gonna like that feature! Channel-selectable beep-alert is nice, but not very loud. I'll put it on my fire dispatch freqs, probably. Weather Alert feature has three distinct "sirens," which you can test by holding down PRI while in WX band They are for weather STATEMENTS, WATCHES and WARNINGS, and are definite attention-getters. A whole lot louder than the "beep alert" mentioned above. Manual even cautions against testing them while using earphones! Most everybody where I live is on VHF High-band repeaters, so will have to wait til tomorrow to check out some of the the lower power simplex business and other folks. Can't make any judgement yet on sensitivity and selectivity...mainly because I've spent half of my time here typing. But its ears seem to certainly be there for VHF, UHF and Aero bands. I'll get back to scanning in a minute. Questions, comments welcome. However don't ask me about the trunking features (booo!), as there is only one trunked system in the county where I live, and it's a very quiet business user. I'm headed to "the big city" next week, though, and will take a crash course on trunking in general and trunking with the 780XLT in particular. As I mentioned, I've owned maybe two dozen scanners, plus ham radios, over the past 30 years. I believe I can get the feel of a radio pretty quick. The 780XLT looks like a DEFINITE keeper!! (Don't worry, Clint,...I'll remember who it belongs to!) Harry Marnell, N6URU http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 149 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 4:49pm Subject: Media Interaction worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Rich: Rich: Something which is making the rounds--- Regards, Bob Reynolds WB3DYE Subj: Media Interaction Date: 01/04/2001 5:48:49 PM Eastern Standard Time From: kc5ugl@... (Forrest Haney Jr.) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: kc5ugl@... (Forrest Haney Jr.) To: SCAN-L@... >From: Lee Cooper >To: "Ed and Joan Cox (E-mail)" >Subject: Media Interaction >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:37:02 -0600 > > >Joan: Pls distribute to as many email list that you can immediately. > >To All Members: > >Recently there was an email sent out suggesting that HAMS in the state of >Texas monitor a number of Amateur, FRS and Business band frequencies for >suspicious activity. This message was in regards to the seven escaped >felons that have been in the news lately. In a recent Dallas robbery of a >Radio Shack several FRS and other two-way radios were stolen and may be >being used by these felons. > >Channel 24 has contacted us about doing a news story about Amateur radio >involvement in the search via this monitoring. While ARES thinks that >doing this is a great idea, TALKING about it to the press or others is >NOT. The OEM and the Texas Department of Justice is justifiably >concerned about making it public knowledge that these requests have been >made of our community. > >IF you are contacted by any members of the media or press, Please DO NOT >talk to them, but refer them to the ARES Public Information Office which >is Roger Wines, W5WIA. Roger can be reached at 453-2193. > >If you should hear anything that may be deemed suspicious DO not attempt >to take any actions yourself. Please contact Authorities immediately and >notify them of what you have heard. > >If you have any questions please email or call Lee N9YFK or Roger Wines >W5WIA. I can be reached at 615-2306 or pager 307-8317 > >Thanks, > >Lee Cooper N9YFK >Emergency Coordinator >Travis County ARES [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 150 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 3:19am Subject: FW: Media Interaction davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Now I have to admit that I am really torn on this. The seven little bastards need to be caught before someone else dies. However... How is that we have to shutup when scanners (or distributed notification/awareness/Open Broadcasting principles) will essentially be used to help capture the escaped Texas convicts, as this communiqué' asks, yet authorities and the media have no problem focusing on and spreading speculative propaganda AGAINST the same. Look at the stories of the past week: CNN, ABC News, the ever-mysterious "Reuters" and "AP" news services that color local news content everywhere...the stories that have come out of these news agencies indicate the police have no problem reminding the public how scanners "might" have been used maliciously in this case. Radio scanners as tools are taking a beating right now so what exactly is wrong with an alternative headline that screams the balanced truth: POLICE SCANNISTS HELP CAPTURE CONVICTS. Think real hard before we give police and the uninformed corporate media a license to trample police scanners unchallenged even though we have the power to tell how they are actually helping. Forwarded text follows. Dave -----Original Message----- From: sentto-429410-148-978904212-davidpin=pobox.com@returns.onelist.com [mailto:sentto-429410-148-978904212-davidpin=pobox.com@... om]On Behalf Of worksntv@... Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 4:49 PM To: n2mca@... Subject: Media Interaction Rich: Rich: Something which is making the rounds--- Regards, Bob Reynolds WB3DYE Subj: Media Interaction Date: 01/04/2001 5:48:49 PM Eastern Standard Time From: kc5ugl@... (Forrest Haney Jr.) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: kc5ugl@... (Forrest Haney Jr.) To: SCAN-L@... >From: Lee Cooper >To: "Ed and Joan Cox (E-mail)" >Subject: Media Interaction >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:37:02 -0600 > > >Joan: Pls distribute to as many email list that you can immediately. > >To All Members: > >Recently there was an email sent out suggesting that HAMS in the state of >Texas monitor a number of Amateur, FRS and Business band frequencies for >suspicious activity. This message was in regards to the seven escaped >felons that have been in the news lately. In a recent Dallas robbery of a >Radio Shack several FRS and other two-way radios were stolen and may be >being used by these felons. > >Channel 24 has contacted us about doing a news story about Amateur radio >involvement in the search via this monitoring. While ARES thinks that >doing this is a great idea, TALKING about it to the press or others is >NOT. The OEM and the Texas Department of Justice is justifiably >concerned about making it public knowledge that these requests have been >made of our community. > >IF you are contacted by any members of the media or press, Please DO NOT >talk to them, but refer them to the ARES Public Information Office which >is Roger Wines, W5WIA. Roger can be reached at 453-2193. > >If you should hear anything that may be deemed suspicious DO not attempt >to take any actions yourself. Please contact Authorities immediately and >notify them of what you have heard. > >If you have any questions please email or call Lee N9YFK or Roger Wines >W5WIA. I can be reached at 615-2306 or pager 307-8317 > >Thanks, > >Lee Cooper N9YFK >Emergency Coordinator >Travis County ARES [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good 151 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 11:47am Subject: MY PRO SCANNING LETTER AND THE REASON FOR IT worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Dear Representative Kowall: It has come to my attention that you would like to cut down on crime by restricting in some way the use of scanners in Michigan. Please be aware that there are hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens who enjoy listening to police and fire communications as a hobby. I know of many people from my area who travel to your state for NASCAR races and actively listen to the communications between the cars and the pit crews. Please don't punish the law abiding for a FEW who thumb their noses at the law. If you want to do something positive make it a felony for anyone who uses a scanner to commit a crime. Regards, Robert Reynolds Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 ----------------------- Michigan State Representative Mike Kowall is seeking opinion from all interested parties on restructuring of MI's scanner law MCL750.508. Those of tourists or OUT OF STATE residents count too,since you may travel to Michigan in the future. LEO are invited also. MCL750.508 basically prohibits "equipping" a vehicle with any radio "able to receive" police radio frequencies. The current law is interpreted differently from county to county , Most prosecutors suggesting NO scanners are allowed under this law. (Even if the radio is in the trunk of the car) The State AG sees it a different way..MCL750.508 only applies to affixed radios, and has NO bearing on hand held or portable radios while in a vehicle. IT all comes down to the language and what defines "equipped" and "able to receive". Confusing isn't it. This current law , vague and poorly written, crafted in 1931 is out of date with the current hobbies and people using scanners today. At the Behest of the Oakland County Sherriffs Dept. stating an increase in the use of Hand Held scanners by the criminal community. Rep Kowall introduced HB6012 in Sep 2000. This law was merely an add on to the current law ,and again froth with problems. The language Expressly addressed the issue of Hand Held radios, which MCL750.508 did not, but.....also OUTLAWED Possession of scanners compleatly unless you were either a MICHIGAN POLICE officer or a Michigan state police scanner permit holder... The law requested all other parties apply for a scanner permit from MSP. FIRE,EMS,HAM radio,Scannists.. Out of State PD all would have to apply.. Persons crossing the border into MI . would still be UNAWARE of Michigan's scanner law as they are today...and be at possible risk of prosecution for possession..of hobbyist equipment. These hobbyist unawares....travelling to Michigan on vacation for a NASCAR/CART race from more scanner freindly OHIO...could be in for a surprise when encountered by the local PD. Don't get me wrong , Michigan LEO do NOT hunt scanner owners... but situations have occured where innocent unawares of MCL750.508 and the proposed HB 6012 have been "detained" for violation. Road side Frisking, (for the officers safety)have happened merely because a radio was viewed in the passenger compartment....during a traffic stop. Some having radio gear confiscated or worse. HB 6012 went down in flames on Halloween due to protests by the radio community at large (hams,scannists) and that of NGO's and fire, EMS groups not wishing to apply for permit. (under current MCL750.508 Fire and Ems need to apply but rarely do.) The NEW law was shelved but will rise again. Please express your view here But also to Rep Mike Kowall directly mkowall@... You may see this issue (scanners in cars) from a different perspective. He is currently leaning toward a "Use if in commission of a crime" type statute similar to NJ except with a 2yr jail term. http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/scanlaws/nj_scanr.html(NJ scanner law) I personally like this idea , it would leave hobbyist and sport fans use Un RESTRICTED.....require NO permits for anyone..NO burden on MSP to issue them. While Still Penalizing Misdeeds with information from a scanner. We all know Criminals will violate any scanner law regardless ,so why punish the innocent hobbyist. IT is very similar to the gun debate. Please write the representative with your views.. mkowall@... perhaps a more fair solution to scanners in cars can come to pass... Your views are appreciated, and you may have a hand at crafting new scanner legislation that could be a model for the rest of the United States. If found successful. Regards, Mark Bajek Westland,MI MSP PERMIT holder 114-2000 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 152 From: "John Guetherman" Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 7:08pm Subject: Re: FW: Media Interaction kb7mib@... Send Email Send Email The way I see it, if these guys know that there are radio hobbyists out there listening for their possible use of FRS radios, then they may not use them. That's why it shouldn't be made public knowledge that hams, scanner hobbyists, or other FRS users are listening. IF, and it's a big "If", these guys are caught because of their use of the FRS radios, then an article as to how that happened should be written. Do you see the logic here? Don't scare the escapee's off the radios. Let them use them, and try to track them that way. (Although it is a long shot, considering we're talking about FRS radios here.) Then get the praise in the media and make sure it is emphasized that scanner users are not all "electronic stalkers". There are many worthwhile community service and public safety aspects to owning them. John H. Guetherman KB7MIB/KAE7927/KAZ7FA --- In scan4good@egroups.com, "David Pinero" wrote: > > Now I have to admit that I am really torn on this. The seven little > bastards need to be caught before someone else dies. However... > > How is that we have to shutup when scanners (or distributed > notification/awareness/Open Broadcasting principles) will essentially be used to help capture the escaped Texas convicts, as this communiqué'asks, yet authorities and the media have no problem focusing on and spreading speculative propaganda AGAINST the same. > > Look at the stories of the past week: CNN, ABC News, the ever-mysterious "Reuters" and "AP" news services that color local news content everywhere...the stories that have come out of these news agencies indicate the police have no problem reminding the public how scanners"might" have been used maliciously in this case. > > Radio scanners as tools are taking a beating right now so what exactly is wrong with an alternative headline that screams the balanced truth: POLICE SCANNISTS HELP CAPTURE CONVICTS. Think real hard before we give police and the uninformed corporate media a license to trample police scanners unchallenged even though we have the power to tell how they are actually helping. > > Dave 153 From: "David Pinero" Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 1:50am Subject: RE: FW: Media Interaction davidpin@... Send Email Send Email Good points and it's the best possible compromise. However, the issue isn't what success or failure the scannists have at this. I think we all know the chances of someone intercepting FRS communication from this bunch aren't great. The issue is the blow that scanning takes when honorable law enforcement spotlights how scanners might be helping bad guys. Thankfully they've effectively cancelled that blow out by going on record asking the scanner-owning community for help - demonstrating the positive potential inherent to the hobby. I suppose its reasonable to hold back until this crisis is over, but ultimately, helpful in the end or not, that scannists were asked at all should be aggressively advertised. Openness.org certainly will. The case for or against scanning is either complex or simple. We as scannists know that it is complex...there are many factors to consider and many ways to look at it. Getting law enforcement to speak of it as complex is sometimes if not oftentimes an uphill battle. The press that has come out lately in regards to the convicts case has been simple: Scanners are instruments of the bad guys. For now and forever it can never be that simple when on one hand police in Texas are speculating wildly about the malicious use of police scanners helping the convicts get away, while in the other, Joe Nesmith of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice is actually tapping scannists to help capture them. Sooner or later the latter point has to be made. Dave -----Original Message----- From: sentto-429410-151-979412944-davidpin=pobox.com@returns.onelist.com [mailto:sentto-429410-151-979412944-davidpin=pobox.com@... om]On Behalf Of John Guetherman Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 2:09 PM To: scan4good@egroups.com Subject: Re: FW: Media Interaction The way I see it, if these guys know that there are radio hobbyists out there listening for their possible use of FRS radios, then they may not use them. That's why it shouldn't be made public knowledge that hams, scanner hobbyists, or other FRS users are listening. 154 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 11:49am Subject: FROM DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound worksntv@... Send Email Send Email DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound --------------------------- The scanner-focused e-mail lists are buzzing about rumors from the Consumer Electronics Show last week in Las Vegas that predict digital-capable scanners in the near future. One person posted that he talked to a scanner company representative who said his company's new model due out in 10 months will have digital capability either built-in, or via a optional module. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 155 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 2:16pm Subject: NEW RADIO SYSTEM-PA worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [SCAN-PA] PSP Troop Car Date: 01/18/2001 6:01:24 AM Eastern Standard Time From: ruhe+@... (D. Ruhe) Reply-to: SCAN-PA@egroups.com To: scan-pa@egroups.com While looking for an update on the new statewide system I stumbled upon this information. Thought everybody may want to take a look. --Dan-- KE3UC http://www.psp2.state.pa.us/bts/imo.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 156 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 9:17am Subject: scanner/crime worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [4phun-Radio] NJ: Police say 4 turned drugs into home business Date: 1/19/01 5:34:36 PM Eastern Standard Time From: healey@... (Vic_Healey) Reply-to: 4phun-radio@egroups.com To: 4phun-scan@egroups.com (4phun-scan list at Egoups.com (Email)), 4phun-radio@egroups.com OBVIOUSLY they didn't have the right freq programmed in--This again shows a need for a seperate penalty for those who committ a crime using a scanner--- Bob Here is another use for a scanner in your own home business. Police say 4 turned drugs into home business Saturday, January 6, 2001 By JUSTO BAUTISTA Staff Writer PATERSON -- Four people, including two teenage boys, who allegedly turned a family recreation room into a marijuana packaging and distribution center have been arrested on drug charges, police said. Narcotics detectives, tipped off to the alleged drug activity by neighbors, found a police scanner tuned to the narcotics squad's frequency and walkie-talkies as well as plastic bags and scales commonly used to weigh drugs, police said. The arrests of the four alleged dealers and three buyers took place Wednesday night. Police said the house was on Highland Street near Sassafras Street, but did not release the specific address. The adults, Gabriel Mercado, 20, of Washington Place, Passaic; and Alfred Pacheco, 21, of Highland Street, each face charges of marijuana possession, marijuana distribution, distribution within 1,000 feet of a school, possession of drug paraphernalia, and possession of a police scanner, police said. The teens, ages 14 and 16, were each charged with two counts of the sale of marijuana. Three alleged buyers, Kaisha James of East 18th Street, and a 14-year-old and 16-year-old boy, were each charged with possession of marijuana, police said. Police said the parents of the teen suspects apparently did not know that drug activity was taking place on the third floor of their house, where marijuana packaging occurred. Police described the business as thriving, with alleged sales to pedestrians and motorists. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 157 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 0:53pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Is there anyone out there who was listening to the Colo comms?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------- We can only guess at the communications activities in Woodland Park (Colo.) during the capture of five of the escaped Texas fugitives. There were two full county sheriff tactical teams (Teller and El Paso Counties), in addition to an FBI team, and the Woodland Park PD in place to arrest the suspects. We guess that, with just 19 officers, Woodland Park(8,500-foot elevation, population of about 7,000) probably has a single dispatcher on-duty during most hours. The best bet for information is the Teller-El Paso 911 District Web site, which is complete and up-to-date. Surf: http://www.elpasoteller911.org/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 158 From: James Richardson Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:12pm Subject: Re: FROM DISPATCH NEWS jimmnn@... Send Email Send Email >Is there anyone out there who was listening to the Colo comms?? >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yes how can we help you? More problems this morning when a Colorado State Patrol Trooper was involved in an accident and killed while investigating a possible "brown van" report. Jim< MNN-001 Mountain NewsNet, Inc 159 From: "John Guetherman" Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 7:19am Subject: Re: FROM DISPATCH NEWS kb7mib@... Send Email Send Email Was just told by a friend of mine who lives at Ft. Carson, that supposedly the last two guys are negotiating with police at this moment a few miles away. 12:15 am Mountain Time. John H. Guetherman KB7MIB/KAE7927/KAZ7FA --- In scan4good@egroups.com, James Richardson wrote: > >Is there anyone out there who was listening to the Colo comms?? > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > > Yes how can we help you? > > More problems this morning when a Colorado State Patrol Trooper was > involved in an accident and killed while investigating a possible > "brown van" report. > > Jim< MNN-001 > Mountain NewsNet, Inc 160 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:38am Subject: LAPD Communications marnells@... Send Email Send Email I've added a bunch of new information about the LAPD Communications system and the two new under-construction Comms Centers at my webpage, http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367 Don't forget to check the "Photo Gallery" "North Hollywood Shootout" and "Links" links there, too. Any comments, questions, corrections or additions are most welcome! thanks Harry 161 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:53am Subject: CORRECTION: LAPD Communications URL marnells@... Send Email Send Email OOPS, correct that URL to: http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm 162 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 9:14pm Subject: egroups Switch to Yahoo - not that big a deal marnells@... Send Email Send Email List MEMBERS: Don't everybody get all sick and nervous about the "completion" of Goliath (Yahoo) whoppin' poor David (egroups). Here's what they say: eGroups will now be called Yahoo! Groups. Don't worry, all eGroups email and web addresses will continue to work, all data and event ownership will be maintained, and your entire group membership will carry over. Everything you love about eGroups will still be around. Yahoo! Groups will continue to be a free service, and all the main features you use now will continue to be a part of the new Groups service. Group "owners" have to do a simple conversion of their groups into Yahoo. What's new? Yahoo! Groups will have lots of new features and even better customization. Upon launch, you will be able to: * Chat with other group members using our improved Yahoo! Chat * Add a splash of color to your group, or a main page photo, all without knowing HTML * See when group members are online and communicate with them in real time using Yahoo! Messenger * Reach a larger audience. You will have the entire Yahoo! Network at your doorstep" -------- The only two changes I see for members: if you want to access the FILES, LINKS, etc, you have to get a Yahoo account. For the whole scoop, go to http://beta.groups.yahoo.com/local/news.html And you may have to change your "inbox" filters if you use them, to direct e-groups messages to specific folders. Harry PS - I'm mailing this to the "egroups" addresses, we'll see if it really still works 163 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 10:41am Subject: guns/students/scanners/schools worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Goldiner learned of the incident at Carnell Elementary School, Frontenac Street and Devereaux Avenue, by listening to his police scanner while home sick from work that day. Though the arrest happened more than two weeks ago, the Daily News only learned of it yesterday from Goldiner, who was incensed by the district's silence in the West Philadelphia High matter. http://dailynews.philly.com/content/daily_news/2001/01/26/local/SKUL26.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 164 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 10:58am Subject: Scanning USA worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I know this is a commerical post but the information in the mag sounds interesting--- ---------------------- Subj: [ScanCom] Date: 01/27/2001 7:58:28 PM Eastern Standard Time From: k2epm@... Reply-to: ScanCom@yahoogroups.com To: ScanCom@yahoogroups.com Dear Scanner Hobbyist: Welcome to this month's issue of Scanusa e-mail newsletter! This e-mail newsletter gives you a summary of what's coming up in the next issue of Scanning USA Magazine. *please note: we have your e-mail because either you e-mailed our main e-mail address or allowed us to put your e-mail on our mailing list. The Scanusa e-newsletter is mailed out only once a month.* February 2001 Scanusa e-newsletter ( Visit http:// www.scanningusa.com to view the latest issue) USER REPORT- AOR AR8200Mark II B : Have you ever wished to own that special radio that can do it all? Wide frequency coverage, all modes covered, fancy key board lighting, nice large display; the kind of radio that includes everything but the kitchen sink? Perhaps you might want to step up to the plate and think about owning a new AOR 8200 hand held scanner. Find out this month why this radio certainly is worth adding to your radio shack! Decoding Digital: Is It Legal And How Will It Be Done? - Digital, the word that makes many cringe. What is all the noise surrounding digital? 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Post message: ScanCom@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: ScanCom-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: ScanCom-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com HTML and Embedded Graphic Posts Discouraged - Plain Text Please ** The views expressed here are those of the individual posting their message and do not necessarily represent the views of the list-owner or Yahoo Groups ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 165 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 9:08am Subject: Alaska Air 261 marnells@... Send Email Send Email Yesterday was the 1-year annniversary of the crash of Alaska Air flight 261 into the ocean off the Ventura County coast in Southern California. I've uploaded a short but intense audio clip of the last radio transmissions between Flight 268 and Los Angeles air traffic controllers. It's at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/audiolinks.htm along with some other live links and recorded incidents. Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells http://en.egroups.ca/mygroups << Where it's still "EGROUPS!" with your OLD passwords and everything. For now anyway. 166 From: "dave" Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 0:42am Subject: Jump played on police radios as man threatens suicide Dtork@... Send Email Send Email 'Jump' played on police radios as man threatens suicide The Associated Press OMAHA, Neb. (February 3, 2001 12:13 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - As police officers negotiated with a man threatening to jump from an overpass, the Van Halen song "Jump" played on their official radios. The broadcast could not have been heard by the man, who at times was hanging on the overpass, police spokesman Sgt. Dan Cisar said. The man, wanted on a domestic violence warrant, surrendered to officers after four hours. Chief Don Carey said the broadcast was inappropriate and ordered an investigation. Lyrics to the song include "Might as well jump. Jump! Go ahead, jump." Possible punishments include termination. "We hope this isn't one of our officers, and if it is they will be dealt with very swiftly," Cisar said. "But we can't count out the possibility it is somebody from another agency." Police and other public safety agencies have access to the frequency on which the song was played, he said. Someone who found a lost or stolen police radio also could have transmitted the song. http://www.nandotimes.com/noframes/story/0,2107,500306238-500491192- 503412756-0,00.html 167 From: Dan Fuller Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 0:52am Subject: Re: Digest Number 83 bvilledan@... Send Email Send Email Whomever is determined to be at fault, I hope they are punished accordingly. Suicide, even the threat of is no laughing matter. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ 168 From: Will Sperling Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 6:32am Subject: Re:[1] Alaska Air 261 wa9yhx@... Send Email Send Email That's some pretty ominous audio clips, Harry. Still made a knot in my stomach to listen to them. A must for all aero scanner enthusiasts. Sad, but true in the transportation industry....... Will Sperling WA9YHX@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 01:08 AM 02/01/2001 -0800, "Harry Marnell" wrote: >Yesterday was the 1-year annniversary of the crash of Alaska Air flight >261 into the ocean off the Ventura County coast in Southern California. > >I've uploaded a short but intense audio clip of the last radio >transmissions between Flight 268 and Los Angeles air traffic controllers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 169 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 11:53am Subject: assigned radio frequencies worksntv@... Send Email Send Email From Dispatch news---and Bob WB3DYE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- The Hampden police and Ware (Mass.) fire department are wrangling over their assigned radio frequencies. Turns out the police have one of those new-fangled 12.5 KHz radio channels on 153.912, while WFD has an older 25 KHz channel at 153.92. That proximity has created consistent interference, the two agencies complain. In fact, during a recent incident the fire department was radioing for a Life Flight helicopter, but the transmissions were interrupted by...get this..coffee orders on the police channel. Ware has seniority on the channel, and it would cost them $25,000 to upgrade their radios. The police spent $50,000 for their radio system---and don't hear the fire department's channel at all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 170 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:47pm Subject: TRUNKING INFO worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: Re: [TrunkCom] St Louis City EMS has left the Trunk System Date: 2/12/01 1:39:54 PM Eastern Standard Time From: toddh@... (Todd Hartzel) Sender: owner-trunkcom@... Reply-to: toddh@... (Todd Hartzel) To: trunkcom@... Submissions: trunkcom@... --- Greetings Rich, Well, I don't know the whole explanation. But I've heard over the years that the St Louis City Fire Dept loves its VHF radios. When the City Fire Dept took over City EMS and all of its operations ; I suspected that it was possible that something like this could happen. Though, I was very skeptical for the longest time. This move by the Fire Dept just re-affirms the comments that I've heard over the past 11 years, that the Fire Dept was quite happy with its VHF system, and had absolutely no interest in switching to the Trunk System. By yanking City EMS off of the Trunk, I think its very clear now, how they feel on this matter. 73 from todd hartzel / n0vkg http://www.icon-stl.net/~toddh ScanMaster@... wrote: > Thanks for the report, Todd. > > Any idea why they left the system? > > Rich Barnett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 171 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 5:00pm Subject: 800 mhz texas worksntv@... Send Email Send Email After much work and debate, Austin (Tex.) has awarded a $61.2 million contract to Motorola for a regional 800 MHz ASTRO SmartZone trunked radio system capable of operating in both digital and analog modes to serve public safety and public service agencies in Austin and surrounding Travis County. The huge 17-site, 80-frequency system was put together by the 9-1-1 Radio, Dispatch, Mobile Data, Transportation Coalition, which had representatives from all participating agencies. They anticipate 8,500 initial radio users, with planned growth to some 12,000 users. Future users may include the Capital Metropolitan Transit Authority, the University of Texas, the Austin Independent School District, the Texas House of Representatives, the Texas Legislative Council, and the cities of Westlake Hills and Pflugerville. Harrison Corp. will supply a microwave backbone for the system, and the entire sha-bang should be operational by the fall of 2003. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 172 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 10:49am Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email We earlier reported on radio interference between the Hampden police and Ware (Mass.) fire departments...turns out the radios aren't really the source of "interference." A firefighter (who also happens to be a selectman) claimed that police transmissions about "coffee orders" interfered with fire department transmissions to a Life Flight helicopter. Logging tapes proved that claim absolutely false, the police and fire chiefs now agree, so they're investigating why the firefighter made the remark. The fire department has tweaked their radios for a short-term solution to their too-close frequency problem. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 173 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 0:03pm Subject: Trunked Radio Information Homepage - Database Beta worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [TrunkCom] Date: 02/18/2001 3:42:31 PM Eastern Standard Time From: lindsay@... (Lindsay C. Blanton) Sender: owner-trunkcom@... Reply-to: lindsay@... (Lindsay C. Blanton) To: trunkcom@... --- Submissions: trunkcom@... --- Hi Folks! I've begun the initial beta rollout of a new Trunked Radio Information Database for trunking system information, frequency, and talkgroup information for Trunked Radio Systems across the nation. Many moons ago, my web page had a nationwide focus, but I had to scale back to a Southeast US focus due to the amount of time and energy it took to manage all the data. Now that I have been able to develop and implement a back-end database to store and present the data, I'm now able to re-position the site as a nationwide information service. Some of the benefits of this new database when completed include: - Presentation of all talkgroup formats for all systems (Hex, DEC, AFS, etc) - Back to a nationwide presence from the SE US Presence. - Common "Look and Feel" for all trunking data. - Integration of the Motorola sysid index with all the data - Addition of related links, and contributor information I've currently rolled out the State of Texas as part of this beta. To take a look at the new database with Texas information, see http://www.trunkedradio.net If you have any information that you would like to see added to the database (for ANY system in the nation), feel free to forward to me, and you'll see it show up when the beta is expanded to other states in the nation. Many thanks! Lindsay Blanton lindsay@... The Trunked Radio Information Homepage http://www.trunkedradio.net _______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email as follows: TO: majordomo@... SUBJECT: MESSAGE: unsubscribe trunkcom or MESSAGE: unsubscribe trunkcom-digest _______________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 174 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 0:18pm Subject: Get ready for radio silence, scanner buffs. worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [4phun-scan] ATLANTIC CITY - ATLANTIC CITY to upgrade public-safety radio system - February 15, 2001 - 8:21 AM By BRIDGET MURPHY Staff Writer, (609) 272-7257 ATLANTIC CITY - Get ready for radio silence, scanner buffs. City officials are spending from $600,000 to $700,000 to upgrade the resort's public-safety radio systems to an 800-megahertz system that is expected to be in operation by year's end. The technology will upgrade communications capabilities but will likely mean an end to the police and fire chatter on airwaves that can be tuned in on handheld scanners. The upgrade has been slow to happen, and a replacement for current equipment used by police, fire and communications personnel can't arrive soon enough, officials said. When a radio breaks down, the parts needed for repair often aren't available because the equipment is outdated. Sometimes rubber bands and wires are substituted for real parts to keep things working. "You have some tin cans and string?" one official asked in jest Tuesday. "We're at the end of the life cycle on the whole system," Emergency Management operations officer Craig Martin said. Motorola won the contract for the new system, business administrator Andrew Mair said Wednesday, adding that out of two companies that bid, only the winner passed a field test. Calling the company's equipment "very much the industry standard," Mair said compatibility with county systems is also a consideration. Other government departments will inherit the current radio equipment from the police and fire departments, Mair said. The new equipment will eliminate "dead zones," or places where current radios can have transmission problems, such as deep inside the Atlantic City Convention Center or inside casinos, officials said. "It's a dangerous situation when we can't communicate," Deputy Fire Chief John Bereheiko said Tuesday. "You can hear on fire calls when you have to call a guy a few times." All the kinks with the changeover haven't been worked out yet. Some officials have heard that the Police Department will be first to receive the new equipment; others say the Fire Department and Beach Patrol are slated for that distinction. Emergency Management Director Bob Levy is on vacation this week, and could not be reached for comment. Officials said he is in charge of handling the equipment changeover. The issue of radio silence is also up for debate. The Fire Department has made a request to continue broadcasting on its current radio frequencies so off-duty firefighters and others can monitor what's happening. "I've asked for that," Bereheiko said. "I don't know why they wouldn't do that unless the FCC asks us to give up the frequencies." But others feel that such access is not necessary and that privacy would be a benefit of the new system. "I'd have to evaluate that issue before I knew if there were benefits that outweighed any problems," Mair said Wednesday. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 175 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 6:24pm Subject: DIGITAL INFO worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Some info which came from another list---- Bob WB3DYE Subj: [phlscanner] Digital Two-way Date: 2/21/01 8:40:33 PM Eastern Standard Time From: cwmartin@... (Craig Martin) Reply-to: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com To: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com In my twenty eight years of Public Service Radio, I can give you many incidents where a scanner listener has helped in their observation of crimes or incidents that occurred. They saved lives and property in their hobby. They also have shown an active interest in communications in not only listening, but progressed to participate in communications through REACT, Amateur Radio and SWL Monitoring. Most in the business of Public Safety do not want to shut down the hobby. However, the great advances in Digital IMB two-way radio by COM-NET(Erricson), Motorola and others allow Police, Fire, EMS in high noise environments improve the quality of their lifelines. I am in the same boat, as an active radio enthusiast. The manufactures of scanners and receivers must get their act together and move quicker with the times. They must also design upgradeable radios to allow such changes. I think I might be preaching to the choir. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 176 From: joelewis50@... Date: Sat Feb 24, 2001 3:01am Subject: Re: DIGITAL INFO joelewis50@... Send Email Send Email I agree. I too have been monitoring for about 28 years starting in Washington D.C. Joe M. Lewis member florida sheriff md sheriffs and national sheriffs associations REACT and disaster volunteer 177 From: Andy Date: Sat Feb 24, 2001 5:32pm Subject: Re: DIGITAL INFO andyb@... Send Email Send Email (snip) > > In my twenty eight years of Public Service Radio, I can give you many > incidents where a scanner listener has helped in their observation of crimes > or incidents that occurred. They saved lives and property in their hobby. > They also have shown an active interest in communications in not only > listening, but progressed to participate in communications through REACT, > Amateur Radio and SWL Monitoring. Most in the business of Public Safety do > not want to shut down the hobby. > > However, the great advances in Digital IMB two-way radio by > COM-NET(Erricson), Motorola and others allow Police, Fire, EMS in high noise > environments improve the quality of their lifelines. I am in the same boat, > as an active radio enthusiast. The manufactures of scanners and receivers > must get their act together and move quicker with the times. They must also > design upgradeable radios to allow such changes. > (snip) Just my 2 cents worth here: I've been monitoring public safety radio since 1969. I've been a dispatcher for 20 years, and can honestly say that I can count on one hand the number of times a scanner listener has called me to offer assistance. None of the callers provided any useful information. Maybe my experience is atypical, but I can only tesitify to what has happened to me. Over the years I have talked to dozens of other dispatchers with similar testaments. I hate to say it, but I don't think we scanner nuts make a difference. Someone out there can surely come up with an incident or two in which a scanner listener was instrumental in catching a crook, saving a life, etc., but in the overall scheme of things, our input isn't even a drop in the bucket. If my life was saved due to the actions of a scanner listener, I would be forever grateful, but if I was responsible for determining whether my department should go digital/scrambled, I would weigh all sides of the argument and come up with the answer according to the facts, and not from personal bias. The facts are that the benefits of making sure the citizens aren't shut out are inconsequential. That isn't saying that the relatively rare instance in which a scanner listener does a good deed is not appreciated. What that does mean is that for a department which puts out hundreds of call in an eight hour shift, the one time a month when a scanner listener calls in is not worth sacrificing other advantages which they would realize on a daily, if not hourly, basis offered by a digital system . Which of the following options would you, as Chief of Police, pick? One: A digital system that gives your department a bunch of badly needed new channels to assure that each officer can get on the air in an emergency, thanks to narrow-band digital technology, or: Two: Stick with the old analog system, assuring that citizens can monitor, so they can call in with information on a crime, etc. You would no doubt look at the numbers, and see that officers have emergencies WAY more often than scanner listeners call in with helpful information, and pick the first choice. You would be negligent to do otherwise. On the flip side, I can count even fewer incidents in which a crook used a scanner for his evil deeds. Therefore, I think is is equally as foolish to go digital or scramble for the express purpose of keeping the bad guys (and us) from listening in. It could be that there are numerous times when a crook uses the scanner to commit a crime, but since he gets away with it, we would never know about it. You can't count things you don't know about. In summary, there are great advantages to going to trunked and/or digital systems. Better use of the spectrum, more features, etc. (Assuming the damn thing works right!) The disadvantages are few. At the top of the disadvantage list, as I see it from a user standpoint, is when neighboring agencies can't communicate directly with each other. Here in the Kansas City area, most everyone was UHF or VHF for years. When some started going to different trunked systems, that problem began to rear its ugly head. It would be compounded with a digital system. Even though that is the major problem, it is not so insurmountable that it hasn't been worked around. At the bottom of the list are us scanner listeners. Public safety agencies don't see us as a great factor when it comes down to making a decision, and they shouldn't... because as I remarked before, we are not even a drop in the bucket. If all of the facts came in (and if EXCLUDING the scanner listener factor) all things were equal...I'd hope the agency would opt for letting us listen. But the advantages always end up being heavy on the opposite side of us. Think of it this way. The news group Scan-L is probably the largest one on the internet, and it has less than 600 members last time I knew. That isn't many people. Multiply that by what ever factor which would encompass all the hardcore listeners and the casual listeners, and I don't think you'd get enough of us to even come close to those in, say, the beanie baby hobby, or stamp collecting. Face it folks, we are a very small group. I don't want us to be shut off from listening to the scanner! Public service radio is not only my vocation, it is also my avocation. But, if the safety of my officers and their ability to perform their job is in question, I will ALWAYS pick whatever makes it easier/safer for them. Even though you and I are scanner nuts, we should always dismiss our desire to put our hobby interests over those of public safety. Personally, I think that when we cry foul about digital, and we cite incidents in which a scanner listener helped out, we are fooling ourselves. We are not truly concerned about stopping crime with the use of a scanner, we are really trying to save our hobby at the expense of an often badly needed new radio system. As I said before, scanner listeners can and do help out, but that is far outweighed by other factors. You gotta look at the big picture. Flame away! ;-) Andy 178 From: joelewis50@... Date: Sat Feb 24, 2001 5:42pm Subject: Re: Re: DIGITAL INFO joelewis50@... Send Email Send Email I agree I also have been monitoring since 1968 in Washington D.C. and REACT member for 30 years Joe M. Lewis member florida sheriff md sheriffs and national sheriffs associations REACT and disaster volunteer 179 From: zerg90@... Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 2:13pm Subject: Re: Re: DIGITAL INFO zerg90@... Send Email Send Email I think that corrupt governments have killed as many people in the world as criminals have. I fear "out of control" governments as much as criminals. Consider yourself flamed - even though this is not a flame and does not play a flame on the Internet - vetted by Jow "What The Meaning Of Is Is" "Pardon the Pardons" Shlablonski. [Warning - Warning - attempt at humor - Warning - Warning] On a serious note Andy, thanks for your post. It was very informative. I posted a request to alt.radio.scanner a while ago looking for good scanner deeds. Zero results. This list is not exactly overflowing with good scanner deeds. OTOH, there were 2 people on phlscanner recently who said that they have done many good scanner deeds. If you look at my website, you will see some of the great stunts that I have pulled. www.geocities.com/45peter - look under Scanner Stuff or something like that. It almost sounds like the good scanner deeds are equally balanced out by the bad scanner deeds. And neither really amount to much. So let me claim that as a victory for open scanning, and proclaim that the present oppeness of public safety radio systems should not be further compromised. Or coagulated. Or corrupted. Or co-opted. Or convoluted. Or concocted. "Unsigned" Peter S - Arlington MA 180 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 9:34pm Subject: RE: Re: DIGITAL INFO davidpin@... Send Email Send Email You make solid points Andy and that was a great post! I will only flame (more like flare) because you've only addressed the public safety perception in all of this. One aspect of the problem you haven't considered is this: Public safety wouldn't lock the public out completely. It would arbitrarily decide that certain people have legitimate access while others do not, setting the stage for corporate alliance and empowerment, VIP crony special interest privilege, and god knows what else. It would do that because it would probably decide that corporate publishers and mass-media broadcasters, for instance, were "legitimate" while, say, myself and my web-based newspaper focusing on issues in police brutality and the vices of corporatized media, were not. With the information provided to the parties of the 'approved list' growing off the easy content public safety provides, they would thrive and monopolize. Meanwhile, my voice would be minimized out of the market and my website run out of business. A solid corporate (read: ANY exclusive interest) perception would come to dominate the American mindset. I say, as long as we value our republic, that's a flat-out ideological disaster. Granted we're only taught to value democracy growing up and there's no saying we necessarily value it as cynical American adults. None of us generation Xers has actually died for democracy in staggering numbers and these days when it comes to choosing between living in a car-bounded gated community and striving for social fairness, most of us choose the former. Yet, if anyone has any semblance of concern against governmental or corporate oppression at all they HAVE to be for open systems to help prevent it. Open systems promote and maintain a level playing ground. It's bad enough when public systems go closed completely, but when public safety picks and chooses who keeps access and loses it, it's in many ways worse. Multiply that result by a hundred when it exclusively chooses private profit-oriented interests and VIPs. Everything you said as a public safety role-player makes perfect sense. But should it come down to JUST the public safety's perception of what ALL the working factors are? I think most public safety executives are thinking about the things you are on this matter. However, I bet none of them are thinking about the potential for enslavement - and that's pretty darned important to most of us! :) This issue goes far beyond what's good for public safety, the hobbyist, and the criminal. It needs to be heard at the legislative level by everyone before any more agencies go closed "quietly in the night". Will that ever happen? Who knows. You might say there are bits and pieces of this argument that wind through the system on the backs of other issues from time to time, but I don't think it has ever been considered from the dedicated perspective I bemoan. My campaign www.openness.org preaches that technological innovations actually free up public safety to openly broadcast their radio traffic more than ever - not the opposite. Agencies can set up more private channels, and more importantly, could even set up "community" channels. In fact openness.org likes the digital revolution just as much most PS agencies. :) True to your point keeping the primary dispatch channels open, and a few others, probably isn't Jesus or The Devil either way in terms of criminals. It's what it means in terms of the United States of America that might tip the scale here, so why not keep things as open as possible? Good post! Dave David Pinero Tampa, Florida * http://www.pobox.com/~davidpin -----Original Message----- From: sentto-429410-176-983035899-davidpin=pobox.com@returns.onelist.com [mailto:sentto-429410-176-983035899-davidpin=pobox.com@... om]On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:32 PM To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DIGITAL INFO (snip) > > In my twenty eight years of Public Service Radio, I can give you many > incidents where a scanner listener has helped in their observation of crimes > or incidents that occurred. They saved lives and property in their hobby. > They also have shown an active interest in communications in not only > listening, but progressed to participate in communications through REACT, > Amateur Radio and SWL Monitoring. Most in the business of Public Safety do > not want to shut down the hobby. > > However, the great advances in Digital IMB two-way radio by > COM-NET(Erricson), Motorola and others allow Police, Fire, EMS in high noise > environments improve the quality of their lifelines. I am in the same boat, > as an active radio enthusiast. The manufactures of scanners and receivers > must get their act together and move quicker with the times. They must also > design upgradeable radios to allow such changes. > (snip) Just my 2 cents worth here: I've been monitoring public safety radio since 1969. I've been a dispatcher for 20 years, and can honestly say that I can count on one hand the number of times a scanner listener has called me to offer assistance. None of the callers provided any useful information. Maybe my experience is atypical, but I can only tesitify to what has happened to me. Over the years I have talked to dozens of other dispatchers with similar testaments. I hate to say it, but I don't think we scanner nuts make a difference. Someone out there can surely come up with an incident or two in which a scanner listener was instrumental in catching a crook, saving a life, etc., but in the overall scheme of things, our input isn't even a drop in the bucket. If my life was saved due to the actions of a scanner listener, I would be forever grateful, but if I was responsible for determining whether my department should go digital/scrambled, I would weigh all sides of the argument and come up with the answer according to the facts, and not from personal bias. The facts are that the benefits of making sure the citizens aren't shut out are inconsequential. That isn't saying that the relatively rare instance in which a scanner listener does a good deed is not appreciated. What that does mean is that for a department which puts out hundreds of call in an eight hour shift, the one time a month when a scanner listener calls in is not worth sacrificing other advantages which they would realize on a daily, if not hourly, basis offered by a digital system . Which of the following options would you, as Chief of Police, pick? One: A digital system that gives your department a bunch of badly needed new channels to assure that each officer can get on the air in an emergency, thanks to narrow-band digital technology, or: Two: Stick with the old analog system, assuring that citizens can monitor, so they can call in with information on a crime, etc. You would no doubt look at the numbers, and see that officers have emergencies WAY more often than scanner listeners call in with helpful information, and pick the first choice. You would be negligent to do otherwise. On the flip side, I can count even fewer incidents in which a crook used a scanner for his evil deeds. Therefore, I think is is equally as foolish to go digital or scramble for the express purpose of keeping the bad guys (and us) from listening in. It could be that there are numerous times when a crook uses the scanner to commit a crime, but since he gets away with it, we would never know about it. You can't count things you don't know about. In summary, there are great advantages to going to trunked and/or digital systems. Better use of the spectrum, more features, etc. (Assuming the damn thing works right!) The disadvantages are few. At the top of the disadvantage list, as I see it from a user standpoint, is when neighboring agencies can't communicate directly with each other. Here in the Kansas City area, most everyone was UHF or VHF for years. When some started going to different trunked systems, that problem began to rear its ugly head. It would be compounded with a digital system. Even though that is the major problem, it is not so insurmountable that it hasn't been worked around. At the bottom of the list are us scanner listeners. Public safety agencies don't see us as a great factor when it comes down to making a decision, and they shouldn't... because as I remarked before, we are not even a drop in the bucket. If all of the facts came in (and if EXCLUDING the scanner listener factor) all things were equal...I'd hope the agency would opt for letting us listen. But the advantages always end up being heavy on the opposite side of us. Think of it this way. The news group Scan-L is probably the largest one on the internet, and it has less than 600 members last time I knew. That isn't many people. Multiply that by what ever factor which would encompass all the hardcore listeners and the casual listeners, and I don't think you'd get enough of us to even come close to those in, say, the beanie baby hobby, or stamp collecting. Face it folks, we are a very small group. I don't want us to be shut off from listening to the scanner! Public service radio is not only my vocation, it is also my avocation. But, if the safety of my officers and their ability to perform their job is in question, I will ALWAYS pick whatever makes it easier/safer for them. Even though you and I are scanner nuts, we should always dismiss our desire to put our hobby interests over those of public safety. Personally, I think that when we cry foul about digital, and we cite incidents in which a scanner listener helped out, we are fooling ourselves. We are not truly concerned about stopping crime with the use of a scanner, we are really trying to save our hobby at the expense of an often badly needed new radio system. As I said before, scanner listeners can and do help out, but that is far outweighed by other factors. You gotta look at the big picture. Flame away! ;-) Andy Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 181 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Feb 26, 2001 0:38pm Subject: Audio of shortwave rescue messages marnells@... Send Email Send Email A fierce storm hit the British Isles in January, 1998. A fishing trawler, the Sonia Nancy off the coast of Ireland found herself in serious trouble. The story and a 5 MB wav file of shortwave radio traffic between RAF rescue helicopters, planes, ships and ground stations have been added to the "recorded incidents" section of http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/audiolinks.htm Harry Marnell 182 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Feb 26, 2001 5:37pm Subject: no access/scanners worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Since Clermont County recently went to a new emergency-communication system, two groups can no longer listen in to police and fire scanner dispatches: the public and the media. County commissioners vow to accommodate the media, calling a meeting today on the subject. Clermont's is the first local countywide system to deny access to the public. http://enquirer.com/editions/2001/02/13/loc_new_scanners_deny.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 183 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 10:31am Subject: RADIO-TV DX worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Looking to find that radio of TV station during your next broadcast band DX search??? Check this out: EVERY radio and TV station in the nation. http://www.metronet.com/~\ chipk/tv-listings.html Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 184 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:40pm Subject: UNIDEN/DIGITAL worksntv@... Send Email Send Email The following is probably of interest to everyone who has questions about a digital scanner. It seems Uniden DOES have plans for one. I wrote to Uniden public relations as a reporter and someone who does make recommendations to station management about scanner equipment. The following is Uniden's reply.. It may be worth an e mail to this woman explaining that Uniden could beat the competition by "taking another major step" in the monitoring field. I suggest your letter be short and to the point and above all polite! Feel free to pass this along to other lists--especially to those people in areas where project 25 "modulation" is in place. Bob Subj: uniden Date: 02/27/2001 2:40:12 PM Eastern Standard Time From: brey@... (Bob Reynolds) To: worksntv@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindsay Lee <lindsay@...> To: Bob Reynolds <brey@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 09:47 Subject: public safety scanner > Bob, > The official word is that we are currently studying > concepts of making a > digital capable scanner. There are many complicated > issues but we have > strong plans to make this product as quickly as possible. > Thank you [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 185 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 2:06pm Subject: from dispatch news worksntv@... Send Email Send Email --------------------------- Hamilton County (Ohio) has awarded Motorola a $19 million contract for a countywide 800 MHz digital communications system that will 100+ public safety and government agencies. The 20-frequency, 15-site, simulcast system will include 9 Centracom Gold Series consoles, and some 3,500 radios at its full implementation. The county covers about 850,000 residents, including Cincinnnati. --------------------------- Meanwhile, the Cook County (Ill.) Sheriff's Department today announced Motorola has shipped a portion of the first phase of its $25 million, 15-site ASTRO, 800 MHz, digital radio system. When finished, it will the sheriff's police, Court Services and other county personnel. 186 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 5:59pm Subject: 700mhz public safety worksntv@... Send Email Send Email The 12th meeting of the National Coordination Committee (NCC), dealing with all matters 700 MHz for public safety, will be March 23rd, from 9:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. at the FCC's meeting room in Washington (DC). The subcommittees to the NCC will meet the day before, the 22nd. It's an open meeting...RSVP Joy Alford or Bert Weintraub of the FCC at (202) 418-0680 or emailing your name, organization you represent, your phone number, fax number and email address to: jalford@... (or) bweintra@... 187 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:06am Subject: MORE 800 MHZ worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Motorola has completed Phase III of construction of Michigan's state-wide 800 MHz radio system, with the extension of the completed southern section to the "thumb" section of the state. Phase IV, which includes the entire upper peninsula, is next on the company's list. A Motorola press release noted the system is working as designed, on time and under budget. Right now, about 7,700 radios are on-line from 56 public safety agencies. 188 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 11:00am Subject: NEW PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM OPERATIONAL IN NORTHERN MICHIGAN worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Another example of the need for a digital scanner--- Bob TRAVERSE CITY, Mich.-In a special ceremony today at the U.S. Coast Guard Aviation Hangar at Cherry Capital Airport, Lieutenant Governor Dick Posthumus announced the completion of Phase III of the new, state-of-the-art Michigan's Public Safety Communications System (MPSCS). The Motorola, Inc. (NYSE:MOT) ASTRO® SmartZone® digital 800 MHz radio system provides superior two-way communications capability to public safety agencies across Michigan. The MPSCS replaces the State Police's 1940s-era radio system. It also is the first communications system available to all public safety agencies in the state, including local and county agencies. "The citizens and taxpayers of northern Michigan have two reasons to celebrate this new public safety radio system," Posthumus said. "First, the new system is working exactly as designed. Second, the system is on time and under budget, as has been the entire project since it started back in 1995." The first two phases of the project linked southeast and southwest Michigan. Phase III extends from the thumb region of the state to the Mackinac Bridge. Phase IV, the final phase of the program, will cover the entire Upper Peninsula. The MPSCS is one of the most advanced public safety communications systems in the nation. "To ensure the safety of officers and to enhance their response in providing public safety, today's law enforcement officers and first responders must have fast and accurate information to do their jobs," said Major Timothy Youngfer of the Michigan State Police. "Communications must be reliable, clear and complete. The new MPSCS system provides us with 97 percent statewide mobile coverage 100 percent of the time, which is a tremendous improvement." At today's system demonstration, Posthumus was able to communicate in clarity with public safety officials in the southeast, southwest, and central regions of the state. He was also able to communicate with an official on the Mackinac Bridge. Currently, 56 public safety agencies with more than 7,700 radios are on the system. Northern Michigan members of the MPSCS include Otsego County, Mason County, the Department of Natural Resources, the Department of Military Affairs, the Michigan Department of Corrections, and the Family Independence Agency. Several other agencies are planning to join the MPSCS. For more information about the Michigan's Public Safety Communications System, please contact F/Lt. Gene Adamczyk of the Michigan State Police Communications Division at (517) 336-6675, or Mr. Steve Gorecki of Motorola at (847) 538-0368. 189 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:16pm Subject: deadly cell phones? worksntv@... Send Email Send Email RICH: Fyi Bob WB3DYE Cellphones drowning out police radios Mobile communications explosion interferes with signals -- and the results can be deadly http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20010312/3129392s.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 190 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:45am Subject: Fire Site Updates marnells@... Send Email Send Email I've added some stuff to my Southern California Fire Communications & Links page at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/lafire.htm Included is the LAFDs daily report phone line, and a number of departments in San Bernardino County. More will be coming in the next couple of weeks. As always, corrections, additions and updates are invited! (Like, does Barstow FPD have a website??) Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/lafire.htm 191 From: Tom Evert Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 0:21am Subject: Re: deadly cell phones? tevert@... Send Email Send Email worksntv@... wrote: > RICH: > > Fyi > > Bob > WB3DYE > > Cellphones drowning out police radios Mobile > communications explosion > interferes with signals -- and the results can be deadly > > http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20010312/3129392s.htm Can someone post the text from the above link? The link doesn't work. Thanks! Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 192 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 3:09am Subject: Re: deadly cell phones? marnells@... Send Email Send Email I can't find it online either, but I've managed to yank the thing out of my cache and put it back together at: http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/usatoday.htm Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Evert" To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 16:21 Subject: Re: deadly cell phones? > worksntv@... wrote: > > > RICH: > > > > Fyi > > > > Bob > > WB3DYE > > > > Cellphones drowning out police radios Mobile > > communications explosion > > interferes with signals -- and the results can be deadly > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20010312/3129392s.htm > > Can someone post the text from the above link? The link > doesn't work. > > Thanks! > > Tom > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 193 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 11:55am Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS HOUND worksntv@... Send Email Send Email --------------------------- We're studying the 43-page report filed by the Arizona Auditor General which is critical of the Telecommunications Bureau at the state's Department of Public Safety. The report basically says the state's analog microwave system relies on "obsolete technology," and that staffing shortages could hinder proper system maintenance. The report did not focus on the Bureau's administration of the Criminal Justice Information System (CJIS). The 66-person Bureau has 76 buildings, 144 microwave radios, 449 base stations, and 53 towers. We'll have the full report in an upcoming issue. --------------------------- Sacramento PD's (Calif.) trunked radio system was snagged over the weekend by some who made false emergency calls and uttered profanities on several channels. Scannerists report his transmissions seemed deliberately short to prevent tracing, and that for some reason the radio wasn't zapped from accessing the system. Most likely explanation: lost radio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 194 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:27pm Subject: RAILS/FRS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email In a little used yahoogroup (RadioontheRails) there is a thread in which there is discussion about Amtrak crews being issued FRS radios because they are so inexpensive. Sounds to me that the next time I ride the rails I need to take an FRS radio with me to listen to the crew. Anyone have any additional information about this apparent trend? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 195 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:29pm Subject: data alert worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Folks in Florida should follow what is happening with this bill. I don't see any first amendment issues in this bill's language. Looks like all they are doing is restricting release to Florida public record technical data on trunking systems and MDT systems by amending State Statute 0119.07. There are parallel indentical bills on this moving through both the Florida Senate (S1762) and the House (H1437). S1762 03/06/01 SENATE Filed 03/16/01 SENATE Introduced, referred to Governmental Oversight and Productivity; Comprehensive Planning, Local and Military Affairs; Rules and Calendar -SJ 00169 H1437 03/16/01 HOUSE Filed 03/19/01 HOUSE Introduced -HJ 00183 http://www.leg.state.fl.us/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?Tab=session&Submenu=1&FT=D&F ile=sb1762.html&Directory=session/2001/Senate/bills/billtext/html/ S1762 GENERAL BILL by Posey (Identical to House Bill H 1437) Public Records/Communication Systems; exempts from disclosure technical information re trunking radio communication systems & mobile data communications systems used by governmental agencies; provides legislative findings of public necessity. Amends 119.07. EFFECTIVE DATE: Upon becoming law. Florida Senate - 2001 SB 1762 By Senator Posey 15-953-01 1 A bill to be entitled 2 An act relating to public records exemptions; 3 amending s. 119.07, F.S.; exempting from 4 disclosure technical information pertaining to 5 trunking radio communication systems and mobile 6 data communications systems used by 7 governmental agencies; providing legislative 8 findings of public necessity; providing an 9 effective date. 10 11 Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Florida: 12 13 Section 1. Paragraph (dd) is added to subsection (3) 14 of section 119.07, Florida Statutes, to read: 15 119.07 Inspection, examination, and duplication of 16 records; exemptions.-- 17 (3) 18 (dd) Technical information pertaining to trunking 19 radio communications systems and mobile data communications 20 systems used by state, county, and municipal government 21 agencies, including, but not limited to, law enforcement 22 agencies, fire departments, emergency medical services, 23 government administration, school districts, water management 24 districts, and emergency management agencies, which would 25 allow unauthorized individuals to gain transmit access on such 26 systems or provide the ability to monitor encrypted or 27 privileged communications by officers or employees of such 28 agencies is exempt from the provisions of subsection (1) and 29 s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution. Information 30 specifically protected includes system trunking format data, 31 mobile data terminal information, coded radio identification Florida Senate - 2001 SB 1762 15-953-01 1 information, information pertaining to internal system 2 structuring (agency/fleet/subfleet structure and 3 identification data), system keys, encryption codes used to 4 facilitate secure communications, and control channel data 5 format information. 6 Section 2. The Legislature finds that disclosure of 7 information pertaining to trunking radio communications 8 systems and mobile data communications systems involves risks 9 that communications carried on such systems could be 10 intercepted by persons who wish to use information so obtained 11 for the purpose of facilitating the commission of, or escaping 12 detection and apprehension following commission of, crimes and 13 in hindering or interrupting essential governmental services. 14 Therefore, the Legislature finds that it is a public necessity 15 that this information be kept confidential and exempt from 16 disclosure under public records laws. 17 Section 3. This act shall take effect upon becoming a 18 law. 19 20 ***************************************** 21 SENATE SUMMARY 22 Exempts technical information pertaining to trunking radio communications systems and mobile data 23 communications systems used by government entities from public records disclosure. I have a copy of this posted in the MT chatroom on the Grove website and of course this post to the Trunkcom newsgroup.If we get any more info on this, I will certainly pass it along to trunkcom. Looks like it is time for Florida scanner owners to take pen and paper in hand. 73 all and good luck, Larry Van Horn Amateur Radio Call -- N5FPW Monitoring Times Assistant Editor WUN Government/Military Columnist The MT Fed File, Milcom, and Service Search Columnist Grove Enterprises, the publisher of Monitoring Times Magazine Telephone: V-828-837-9200/F-828-837-2216/800-438-8155 http://www.grove-ent.com larry@... Larry Van Horn Amateur Radio Call -- N5FPW Monitoring Times Assistant Editor WUN Government/Military Columnist The MT Fed File, Milcom, and Service Search Columnist Grove Enterprises, the publisher of Monitoring Times Magazine Telephone: V-828-837-9200/F-828-837-2216/800-438-8155 http://www.grove-ent.com larry@... 196 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:49pm Subject: MORE DIGITAL worksntv@... Send Email Send Email The Airwaves service – which involves new digital facilities and improved, clearer coverage – was launched this morning. It came with assurances from police bosses that it would not put officers’ lives in danger or their health at risk. http://prestononline.co.uk/scripts/editorial.cgi?cid=0&sid=1&aid=004&date=mon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 197 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 3:05pm Subject: ANOTHER DIGITAL FAILURE worksntv@... Send Email Send Email After spending over $4.5 million on new high-tech radios for New York's Bravest, the Fire Department of New York is recalling them after just one week because of a raft of technical problems that endangered the lives of firefighters, Marcia Kramer reports. http://cbsnewyork.com/nycMarket/news2/topstories/StoryFolder/story_080183614_h tml 198 From: Nicolas Sosa Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 9:59pm Subject: Re: ANOTHER DIGITAL FAILURE Nicolas@... Send Email Send Email The correct URL is http://cbsnewyork.com/nycMarket/news2/topstories/StoryFolder/story_080183614_htm\ l worksntv@... wrote: > After spending over $4.5 million on new high-tech radios for New > York's > Bravest, the Fire Department of New York is recalling them after just > one > week because of a raft of technical problems that endangered the lives > of > firefighters, Marcia Kramer reports. > > > ttp://cbsnewyork.com/nycMarket/news2/topstories/StoryFolder/story_080183614_h > > tml > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [www.debticated.com] > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 199 From: Fitzgerald Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:42pm Subject: Re: RAILS/FRS fitzgerald@... Send Email Send Email FRS usage by organizations seems to be a growing trend!Our local School uses FRS radios to keep the Admin and support personnel in contact with one another John Fitzgerald Muse, Oklahoma For all your Paging, Long Distance, Cellular, Internet Service, and ECommerce needs Check out http://fitzgerald.golinq.com/store/ 200 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 9:19pm Subject: 800 megs/ac worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Although a New York City firefighter’s mayday call went unheard in a weekend blaze and 2,700 new digital handheld radios were yanked off the street there, officials here said Thursday that they will proceed with plans to change over to the same 800 megahertz Motorola system. That’s causing some static. http://www.pressplus.com/atlantic/985325796.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 201 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 1:04pm Subject: A PAGE WITH AIRPORT INFO/FREQ'S ETC worksntv@... Send Email Send Email http://www.airnav.com/ 202 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 0:27pm Subject: considering a digital radio system? worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Are you considering a digital radio system? Want to hear what various modes and reception sounds like before you plunk down a bundle? There's an NTIA Web site that has sample sound files of Project 25-compliant radio broadcasts, under varying conditions, which demonstrate the characteristics of digital communications. Surf: http://flattop.its.bldrdoc.gov/spectrum/P25/ 203 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:10pm Subject: 800 MHz trunked radio system worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I can't help wonder if it's "encrypted" or just APCO project 25 "modulation"?? ---------------------- The Cincinnati chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists has sent a "strong protest" letter to officials in Claremont County (Ohio) over the implementation of a 800 MHz trunked radio system that the Society says is encrypted, and which will cut off public monitoring of public safety radio channels. "News organizations play a vital role in American society as watchdogs of all manner of government activity, including law enforcement" the SPJ chapter wrote. An accompanying press release from the national SPJ office said, "Preventing news organizations and the public from hearing police, fire and EMS unit dispatches impedes the public's right to know and the media's role as a watchdog of the government." The SPJ (formerly named Sigma Delta Chi) says it's the nation's largest and most broad-based journalism organization. 204 From: denhamsportsfoto@... Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:16am Subject: Hi there from Ascension Parish, Louisiana denhamsportsfoto@... Send Email Send Email Just wanted to say that I have been into scanning for about 5 years ever since I got my first Bearcat desktop,(which I jury rigged to run in my 1966 Chevy Impala 2-door hardtop),that I bought used for $50 and used it while I was delivering for Domino's Pizza in Gonzales. Then for my 21st birthday my mom bought me a Uniden Bearcat BC150 scanner from Wal-Mart which I still have in my room. I used that one to listen mainly to the Ascension Parish FIRE-NET which is on 154.9800 mhz. Then about 1.5 years ago, I went out to Radio Shack in Baton Rouge to browse around and seen the one on sale for $179.99, the Radio Shack PRO-91 Trunk Tracker Handheld, and I use that to listen to the Ascension Parish Sheriff Office and others. 205 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 10:25am Subject: Scanning USA Magazine April 2001 Issue worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [ScanCom] Date: 03/27/2001 3:45:17 PM Eastern Standard Time From: k2epm@... Reply-to: ScanCom@yahoogroups.com To: Uniden-bc780@yahoogroups.com The April 2001 issue of Scanning USA Magazine has it the streets, and this is an issue you won't want to miss. Nearly the entire issue is devoted to teh BC-780. Check for it at a bookstore near you..... http://www.scanningusa.com/ ----------- Ed Muro - K2EPM Long Island, New York LIMARC Hamfest Chairman: www.limarc.org All Ohio Scanner Club: www.aosc.org "The identity of the loser is perfectly clear." - Justice John Paul Stevens, US Supreme Court [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 206 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 6:32pm Subject: shootout: full 40 minute audio in 4.5 MB! marnells@... Send Email Send Email http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/click.htm Thanks to Scott Atkins, I've obtained the full 40-minute audio of LAPDs North Hollywood shootout...my 8 minute version, on the site for so long, pales by comparison! This is a highly compressed mp3, so the audio quality isn't perfect, but it's easily understandable...and it's a fast download. I'll work on better quality versions, including a TERRIFIC streaming version, when I can find a server with enough room. For now though, give it a listen...four years later, it's still incredible...this version even more so. Go to http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/click.htm Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells 207 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 7:25am Subject: (no subject) worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Elected officials from Capitol Hill to city hall chastised D.C. police officers yesterday for sending racist, vulgar and homophobic messages on their squad car computers over the last year, and legal experts said the e-mails could expose the department to lawsuits and provide fodder for criminal defense attorneys. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8721-2001Mar28.html 208 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 7:56am Subject: MONITORING THE OWL'S worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Burrowing owl monitors needed: Hams are needed again this spring to monitor and track the 172-MHz burrowing owl tags. ARRL Amateur Radio Direction Finding Coordinator Joe Moell, K0OV, says many radio amateurs and scanner enthusiasts joined the effort to listen for radio tags on endangered Canadian burrowing owls during the fall 2000 southward migration and continued to monitor through the winter. Transmitters have been placed on wintering owls in southeastern Texas, and researchers want to know if these Texas owls go to Canada in the spring or if they stay somewhere in the US. The owls have begun leaving the Texas study site and will probably be on the move at least until mid-April. In the meantime, Canadian burrowing owls should be returning from Texas and Mexico at about the same time. For exact frequencies and more information, visit Moell's "Homing In" site, http://www.homingin.com .--Joe Moell, K0OV 209 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 2:47pm Subject: ASKING FOR RESIGNATIONS OVER DIGITAL FLAP worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: FIRE DEPT UNION Date: 03/31/2001 8:52:47 AM Eastern Standard Time From: MARCELRF@... (MARCELRF) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: MARCELRF@... (MARCELRF) To: SCAN-L@... Handie-Talkie Bulletin March 26, 2001 Dear UFOA Members: With each day that passes, I'm more convinced that we are in a battle for the soul of the Fire Department. Something horribly wrong happened at the highest levels of the Fire Department, and the UFOA will not stop protesting until the entire story is told. Attached is a letter I wrote to the Mayor today, with a copy to the Commissioner. If any member has any information or documents relevant to the Motorola scandal, please call me at UFOA headquarters, or write to me. You have my word that you will be protected from retaliation or harm. Sincerely, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- March 26, 2001 Hon. Rudy Giuliani Mayor, City of New York City Hall New York, N. Y. 10007 Dear Mayor Giuliani: This morning's newspapers report that you are defending the Fire Department's introduction of new digital two-way radios, while stressing that more testing must be done before the units are put back into use. Newsday quotes you as saying, "It seems to me that the only thing wrong is that maybe there should have been a little bit more testing before it was actually put in the field, and that's what will happen now. This isn't about reality. This is because the union is bitter over the fact that the Commissioner had to discipline a few people and they're being petulant." With all due respect, Mr. Mayor, nothing could be further from the truth. "A little bit more testing" before these radios were issued to the members of the Fire Department would have been a little bit more than was done prior to sending the members of the FDNY into fires with these radios. There was no field testing of these units. None. The Motorola radio story goes far beyond our long-running dispute with Commissioner Von Essen over how the Fire Department has been operating. The Handi-Talkie scandal (there is no other word to describe it) has exposed incompetence and deceit at the highest levels of the FDNY. For as long as anyone in this job can remember, procedures have been in place to field test every article of equipment issued to members of the Fire Department, from bunker gear to belt buckles and everything in between. That didn't happen with the Motorola digital radios, and now the proper authorities must demand an explanation. Just as soon as these radios were distributed, they failed miserably at numerous fire scenes, almost costing a firefighter his life in a fire in Queens. That happened on Monday, March 19. On Tuesday, the Department brass gathered at the Fire Academy for tests that should have been done long before the radios were distributed. The Handi-Talkies were an abject failure in the full-scale test and on Wednesday, only after the press began to inquire about the matter, Commissioner Von Essen called a news conference and recalled all of the Motorola radios. He said they would be out of service for a month or two, to get the bugs out. That wasn't all he said in his transparent attempts to minimize the seriousness of this blunder. He said the radios cost $1,600 each, for a total cost of $4.5 million. Our information is that FDNY bought 2,800 radios at a cost of $3,500 each, for a total cost of $9.8 million. It has since been determined that the overall cost of the contract with Motorola is a staggering $33 million. Commissioner Von Essen also said Boston and Chicago were using these radios, but that was not true. Boston rejected the Motorola digital product after field-testing turned up unacceptable performance, and they chose the analog product for $2,000 per radio. Boston also tells us they are in the process of buying a new Motorola product for only $700 each. Channel 4 news interviewed the Boston Fire Chief, who said his department "clearly and unambiguously" chose the analog product and rejected the digital radio. As for Chicago, the Commissioner there told Channel 4 that they didn't use the Motorola digital radio, as Commissioner Von Essen said, but he declined to give the reporter any details. Finally, Commissioner Von Essen told his news conference that the firefighter who issued his Mayday call (seven times without being heard) was never in danger of losing his life. No one in the Fire Department believes that whopper. And no one in the ranks of the UFOA appreciates the Commissioner's attempt to blame the Captain at that fire scene for his own monumental Metrotech blunder. At the request of the UFOA, New York City Comptroller Alan Hevesi has opened an investigation of the Motorola contract, and he has stopped payment to the company pending completion of his findings. The Fire Department promised its complete cooperation, but just in case their cooperation is something less than total, the UFOA Executive Board has begun an investigation of its own. UFA President Kevin Gallagher has called upon City Council Speaker Peter Vallone to investigate the entire matter. Speaker Vallone said the Council would schedule hearings in the near future. We are not talking about labor-management disputes with the Fire Commissioner anymore. We are talking about life and death decisions that went wrong, and we are talking about millions of dollars in public funds that were clearly misspent. At the very least we have proof of high-level incompetence and deceit, and until there is a thorough investigation, the ugly specter of corruption cannot be ruled out. The Sunday newspapers quoted "a senior adviser" to the Fire Commissioner saying there will be personnel changes at FDNY headquarters because the Commissioner was given bad information about the costs of the contract and the experiences of the Chicago and Boston departments. It appears that someone will have to take the fall for this mess, and Von Essen is determined it won't be him. Why didn't the FDNY field-test these radios before they went on line? Why didn't the Department know that Boston did field tests and rejected the product? Why did the Department think Chicago was using the radios, when Chicago was not? Why were long-established FDNY safety procedures bypassed and ignored? What did Headquarters know about these Motorola digital radios, and when did they know it? This Commissioner insists on holding everyone in the Fire Department accountable for every little thing. This one is a big thing. Von Essen has to be held accountable. Sincerely, Peter L. Gorman President cc: Commissioner Thomas Von Essen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 210 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 3:44pm Subject: 800 mhz multipath worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I wonder how this will effect Pa's 800 mhz digital system when it goes online?? Pa has plently of mountians-- Bob ----------------------- Subj: [project25] Voters & APCO 25 Digital? Date: 04/05/2001 12:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: bjordan@... (I220 Bruce Jordan) Reply-to: project25@yahoogroups.com To: project25@yahoogroups.com ('project25@yahoogroups.com') Trish, It was in 1978 that I had an experience with a Motorola DVP system with multiple site voting receivers. It worked absolutely beautiful in analog FM but when we went to digital the silence was deafening! After much struggle it turned out to be multipath. The Ochir mountains are directly west of SLC and almost vertical cliffs. The reflected signals were not only very strong but were delayed by almost exactly one bit time. The result was "bit smashing," now known as High BER, I think. The cancellation was very good. This was with the 12 KB DVP of that period. We finally had to move the Westside repeater down off the mountain behind SLC and out to the airport where we located it at the fire station. Thus our incident wave increased in strength for the district and the reflected waves were decreased by a considerable amount. This resulted in a satisfactory system. I can assure you it took a whole van load of engineers from Schaumburg to figure that one out. We were all amazed when we finally identified the problem. How does this relate to your question? I am not sure, except that I would expect multipath to have more adverse effects on digital than on analog FM. So depending upon the topography more receivers might be required. Fortunately the mountains near SJ are sloping and "softer" than the granite cliffs I encountered. Bruce......... bruce.jordan@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 211 From: under_rush_2112@... Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 4:20pm Subject: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone under_rush_2112@... Send Email Send Email I am a land lord of a small trailer and ex ham radio operator. Having noticed all kinds of trafic comming and going at all hours I visited the trailer and noticed 3 49 Mhz cordless phones. SO i went to local store and bought a bearcat scanner and began listening to all the illegal trafic on the phone. I then went and confronted the mother and the end results is that she was granted a temporary restraining order against me for monitering her phone calls and she is trying real hard to press criminal charges. NOW I know its not illegal to listen, I just need the refrence of where to print the law from so when I go to this hearing I'll have some help. SEND RESPONCE TO under_rush_2112@... thank you and God Bless. Doc. 212 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 4:56pm Subject: Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone marnells@... Send Email Send Email If in the U.S., what state are you in? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 09:20 Subject: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > I am a land lord of a small trailer and ex ham radio operator. Having > noticed all kinds of trafic comming and going at all hours I visited > the trailer and noticed 3 49 Mhz cordless phones. SO i went to local > store and bought a bearcat scanner and began listening to all the > illegal trafic on the phone. I then went and confronted the mother > and the end results is that she was granted a temporary restraining > order against me for monitering her phone calls and she is trying > real hard to press criminal charges. NOW I know its not illegal to > listen, I just need the refrence of where to print the law from so > when I go to this hearing I'll have some help. SEND RESPONCE TO > under_rush_2112@... thank you and God Bless. Doc. > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 213 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 5:06pm Subject: Re: Monitoring cordless IS illegl in the U.S. marnells@... Send Email Send Email You may want to reconsider your plan of action, because under the 1998 changes to the EPCA it IS illegal to monitor cordless telephone calls: CITE 1/26/98 18 USC Sec. 2511 EXPCITE TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 119 - WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS HEAD Sec. 2511. Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited STATUTE (1) Except as otherwise specifically provided in this chapter any person who - (a) intentionally intercepts, endeavors to intercept, or procures any other person to intercept or endeavor to intercept, any wire, oral, or electronic communication; ii) if the communication is the radio portion of a cellular telephone communication, a cordless telephone communication that is transmitted between the cordless telephone handset and the base unit, a public land mobile radio service communication or a paging service communication, the offender shall be fined under this title. (b) The court may use any means within its authority to enforce an injunction issued under paragraph (ii)(A), and shall impose a civil fine of not less than $500 for each violation of such an injunction. Source: http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18USC2511.html Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 09:20 Subject: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > I am a land lord of a small trailer and ex ham radio operator. Having > noticed all kinds of trafic comming and going at all hours I visited > the trailer and noticed 3 49 Mhz cordless phones. SO i went to local > store and bought a bearcat scanner and began listening to all the > illegal trafic on the phone. I then went and confronted the mother > and the end results is that she was granted a temporary restraining > order against me for monitering her phone calls and she is trying > real hard to press criminal charges. NOW I know its not illegal to > listen, I just need the refrence of where to print the law from so > when I go to this hearing I'll have some help. SEND RESPONCE TO > under_rush_2112@... thank you and God Bless. Doc. > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 214 From: rickdom@... Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 7:19pm Subject: Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone rickdom@... Send Email Send Email Sir, what you did was wrong. Simple as that. If you noticed any suspicious activity, you should have talked to your local law enforcement officials. As a landlord you have every right to protect yourself. But to SPY on them! No way. Just because you own the property, doesn't make you their Lord Master. Tenants have rights, too. If I were you, I'd get a lawyer real fast. You've opened a can of worms. Having been a renter for over twenty years, I've seen some bad things pulled on uneducated tenants. People being taken by unscrupulous landlords. You better hope she doesn't know the law. I hope she sues you to your last penny. Bad day to you,sir. Richard. 215 From: Brian Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 10:24pm Subject: Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone brian415@... Send Email Send Email Looking into my crystal ball I see a property manager and I see a jail cell... Looking deeper I see the property manager in the jail cell!!!! If a land lord pulled that on me........he would wish I only called the cops!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > Sir, what you did was wrong. Simple as that. If you noticed any > suspicious activity, you should have talked to your local law > enforcement officials. > > As a landlord you have every right to protect yourself. But to SPY on > them! No way. Just because you own the property, doesn't make you their > Lord Master. Tenants have rights, too. If I were you, I'd get a lawyer > real fast. You've opened a can of worms. > > Having been a renter for over twenty years, I've seen some bad things > pulled on uneducated tenants. People being taken by unscrupulous > landlords. You better hope she doesn't know the law. I hope she sues you > to your last penny. Bad day to you,sir. Richard. > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > 216 From: ltkev822@... Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 7:33am Subject: Re: Help ltkev822@... Send Email Send Email In a message dated 04/08/2001 6:08:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scan4good@yahoogroups.com writes: > Having been a renter for over twenty years, I've seen some bad things > pulled on uneducated tenants. People being taken by unscrupulous > landlords. You better hope she doesn't know the law. I hope she sues you > to your last penny. Bad day to you,sir. Richard. > > He was only looking for reference to Law, not a sermon- I know I'll never post anything here looking for assistance Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 217 From: Tim Wright Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 1:02pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 112 t.wright@... Send Email Send Email BOY DID YOU SCREW UP!!!! Tim Member of Law Enforcement scan4good@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 5 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > From: under_rush_2112@... > 2. Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > From: "Harry Marnell" > 3. Re: Monitoring cordless IS illegl in the U.S. > From: "Harry Marnell" > 4. Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > From: rickdom@... > 5. Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > From: Brian > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 16:20:34 -0000 > From: under_rush_2112@... > Subject: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > > I am a land lord of a small trailer and ex ham radio operator. Having > noticed all kinds of trafic comming and going at all hours I visited > the trailer and noticed 3 49 Mhz cordless phones. SO i went to local > store and bought a bearcat scanner and began listening to all the > illegal trafic on the phone. I then went and confronted the mother > and the end results is that she was granted a temporary restraining > order against me for monitering her phone calls and she is trying > real hard to press criminal charges. NOW I know its not illegal to > listen, I just need the refrence of where to print the law from so > when I go to this hearing I'll have some help. SEND RESPONCE TO > under_rush_2112@... thank you and God Bless. Doc. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:56:49 -0700 > From: "Harry Marnell" > Subject: Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > > If in the U.S., what state are you in? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 09:20 > Subject: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > > > I am a land lord of a small trailer and ex ham radio operator. Having > > noticed all kinds of trafic comming and going at all hours I visited > > the trailer and noticed 3 49 Mhz cordless phones. SO i went to local > > store and bought a bearcat scanner and began listening to all the > > illegal trafic on the phone. I then went and confronted the mother > > and the end results is that she was granted a temporary restraining > > order against me for monitering her phone calls and she is trying > > real hard to press criminal charges. NOW I know its not illegal to > > listen, I just need the refrence of where to print the law from so > > when I go to this hearing I'll have some help. SEND RESPONCE TO > > under_rush_2112@... thank you and God Bless. Doc. > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:06:07 -0700 > From: "Harry Marnell" > Subject: Re: Monitoring cordless IS illegl in the U.S. > > You may want to reconsider your plan of action, because under the 1998 changes to the EPCA it IS illegal to monitor cordless telephone calls: > > CITE 1/26/98 > 18 USC Sec. 2511 > > EXPCITE > TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE > PART I - CRIMES > CHAPTER 119 - WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND > INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS > > HEAD > Sec. 2511. Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic > communications prohibited > > STATUTE > (1) Except as otherwise specifically provided in this chapter any > person who - > (a) intentionally intercepts, endeavors to intercept, or > procures any other person to intercept or endeavor to intercept, > any wire, oral, or electronic communication; > > > > ii) if the communication is the radio portion of a cellular > telephone communication, a cordless telephone communication that > is transmitted between the cordless telephone handset and the > base unit, a public land mobile radio service communication or a > paging service communication, the offender shall be fined under > this title. > > (b) The court may use any means within its authority to enforce > an injunction issued under paragraph (ii)(A), and shall impose a > civil fine of not less than $500 for each violation of such an > injunction. > > Source: http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18USC2511.html > > Harry > http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 09:20 > Subject: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > > > I am a land lord of a small trailer and ex ham radio operator. Having > > noticed all kinds of trafic comming and going at all hours I visited > > the trailer and noticed 3 49 Mhz cordless phones. SO i went to local > > store and bought a bearcat scanner and began listening to all the > > illegal trafic on the phone. I then went and confronted the mother > > and the end results is that she was granted a temporary restraining > > order against me for monitering her phone calls and she is trying > > real hard to press criminal charges. NOW I know its not illegal to > > listen, I just need the refrence of where to print the law from so > > when I go to this hearing I'll have some help. SEND RESPONCE TO > > under_rush_2112@... thank you and God Bless. Doc. > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:19:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: rickdom@... > Subject: Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > > Sir, what you did was wrong. Simple as that. If you noticed any > suspicious activity, you should have talked to your local law > enforcement officials. > > As a landlord you have every right to protect yourself. But to SPY on > them! No way. Just because you own the property, doesn't make you their > Lord Master. Tenants have rights, too. If I were you, I'd get a lawyer > real fast. You've opened a can of worms. > > Having been a renter for over twenty years, I've seen some bad things > pulled on uneducated tenants. People being taken by unscrupulous > landlords. You better hope she doesn't know the law. I hope she sues you > to your last penny. Bad day to you,sir. Richard. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:24:05 -0400 > From: Brian > Subject: Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > > Looking into my crystal ball I see a property manager and I see a jail > cell... Looking deeper I see the property manager in the jail cell!!!! > > If a land lord pulled that on me........he would wish I only called the > cops!!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: Somebody please help me/ cordless phone > > > Sir, what you did was wrong. Simple as that. If you noticed any > > suspicious activity, you should have talked to your local law > > enforcement officials. > > > > As a landlord you have every right to protect yourself. But to SPY on > > them! No way. Just because you own the property, doesn't make you their > > Lord Master. Tenants have rights, too. If I were you, I'd get a lawyer > > real fast. You've opened a can of worms. > > > > Having been a renter for over twenty years, I've seen some bad things > > pulled on uneducated tenants. People being taken by unscrupulous > > landlords. You better hope she doesn't know the law. I hope she sues you > > to your last penny. Bad day to you,sir. Richard. > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 218 From: rickdom@... Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 2:23pm Subject: Difference of opinion rickdom@... Send Email Send Email I stand by my opinion. This gentleman asked for advice and I gave it. Simple as that. Good day sir, Richard. Kevin wrote: He was only looking for reference to Law, not a sermon- I know I'll never post anything here looking for assistance 219 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 0:34pm Subject: more radio problems worksntv@... Send Email Send Email "Communications Engine Companies" Dayton, Ohio has done this on a very few occasions. The firefighters on the extra engine serve primarily to assist in communications between the firefighters that are inside the structure and those who are outside. 800 MHz radios sometimes have problems penetrating large structures, but below ground level, and even high-rises. Cincinnati, Ohio (who uses 460MHz) has installed 800 MHz "high-rise" repeaters in some difficult to penetrate structures. If they have done their pre-planning, fire departments should know ahead of time which structures in their area will have these types of problems. A couple summers ago, while visiting my sister in Alexandria, I heard what I think was a drill in Arlington where they were having communications problems in the Crystal City underground shopping area. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:21:31 EDT From: Subject: [Scan-DC] What is a "communications Engine Co" for DCFD? Actually I heard DC pulled their usual "Can't we cut a few corners and save some money?" and that is why they are having difficulties. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:36:36 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] What is a "communications Engine Co" for DCFD? On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:59:31 -0400 So, in other words, radio coverage is so bad that a portable communications van is needed for support? Way to go Motorola. -Shawn I'm a Motorola shareowner, and let me tell you, THAT has been painful experience as of late. I have been following the continuing saga of the problems with the new NYCFD system at http://www.strongsignals.net/. At least stocks can't plunge next Friday. Why not? The market will be closed. Sheesh. What next? __________________________________ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:03:52 -0400 From: Subject: RE: [Scan-DC] Mixed Bag When Timberwolf was in office, both as VP and POTUS. Trail Blazer was his limo. I'll bet they have resurrected this Callsign to keep it in the "T" family. (All the Bush's code names started with "T"'s. AF II under Bush was Treasury Ship. 1. During the departure of Dubya on Fri heard the USSS Command Post at Andrews (Skymaster-165.375) mention that Trail Blazer was arriving at Andrews. This was right after Skymaster confirmed that Signature (Marine 1) was on his way to Acrobat (Andrews). I'm assuming then that Trail Blazer is one of the codenames for Dubya. ===================================== Pro-60, Pro-90, Pro-2005/456, OptoCom TenTec RX320, Icom R-71a, BC-780xlt ===================================== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This is the Scan-DC mailing list for scanner radio-related topics in the Washington, DC - Baltimore area. To post to the list, send e-mail messages to: scan-dc@... To leave the list, send e-mail to: majordomo@... with only "unsubscribe scan-dc" in the body of the message. Report problems/questions to: ScanDC@... - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 01:09:16 EDT From: Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] What is a "communications Engine Co" for DCFD? Thanks all for your responses. It sounds like a classic example of let's plan this great system and then strip it down to fit our budget. When it doesn't work as well as advertised then we wonder why. The tragic part is that were talking about people's lives. I recently worked for another large police dept which went to the 800MHz system with the emergency alert button. The six-digit code of your radio was to be linked by the equipment officer to your car number on a daily basis. Well, short story --- 4 years later there's the emergency alert button but no link between the radio and the computer. So you're fighting with someone and you push the button and the tone goes off and it shuts out someone else who's talking and the dispatcher ends up saying "Car with emergency identifier 123456, your number?" Come on. If I had another second to give you my car number then I probably would not have needed to push the emergency button in the first place. The worst part about it was the only people who knew that radio number 154675 belongs to Officer X was the maintenance people and they were NOT a 24hour operation. But as all good police officer, firefighters, and yes, radio enthusiasts, we adapted. Picture this --- a group of officers carrying a written down list of their partners' id numbers. But even that didn't cover the problem because we all drove different cars everyday. We don't have a subway system so I can only imagine what the folks in DC have to go through. Seems like we would have expected more from our brand new $38 million system. Don't know whether to blame Motorola or a "progressive" city. As for me, my old 460MHz radio worked just fine. It didn't have a handy dandy emergency button but hey, the 4-digit code linked to my car number when the mic was pushed. Progress --- you have to love it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 220 From: Don Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 4:49am Subject: Monitoring ka9qjg@... Send Email Send Email Well by now you know it is Against Federal Law to Listen to Cordless Phones, As a Retired Law Enforcement Officer, Not a Lawyer nor do I play one on TV , Will you Please for you own benefit quit Talking about what you Allegedly did, or you just might find Everything that has been posted by you and everyone else Show up printed out in Court, I had a 83 yr old Ham Radio operator tell me one time By God young man if the Government or any one else don't want me to listen then keep the Damn Signals off my property , it is things like this that make the Laws against Monitoring , Just listen Enjoy yourself and keep your Mouth Shut This is just my Personal thoughts Don KA9QJG 221 From: "JOHN HENGEL" Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 2:34pm Subject: Re: Difference of opinion JPHENGEL@... Send Email Send Email And here is my ideas on this topic. Have been a SCANNER user for 36 years. Have one scanner setfor nothing but cordless phones. Live in a town of 78552 people. Ourside antenna at 56 feet. You would not beleave what I hear. But you know what ? You got to keep your trap closed. I look at it as a form of entertainment. AIRWAVES ARE FREE !!!! But do not TELL WHAT YOU HERE...... JOHN ----- Original Message ----- From: rickdom@... Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:25 AM To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Subject: Difference of opinion I stand by my opinion. This gentleman asked for advice and I gave it. Simple as that. Good day sir, Richard. Kevin wrote: He was only looking for reference to Law, not a sermon- I know I'll never post anything here looking for assistance Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click for Details Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 222 From: Jim Nichols Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 1:38pm Subject: Re: Monitoring jimnic@... Send Email Send Email Don, I agree with the old ham-any signals entering my house are mine to listen to if I so choose. Personally, I have no desire to monitor cordless and cell conversations. I disagree with you that "it is things like this that make the Laws against Monitoring." It is the lobbyists from Motorola and other manufacturers who have contributed large sums of money to Billy Tauzin of Louisiana who are responsible for anti-monitoring laws. I agree with your advice to shut up about illegal activity. Respectfully, Jim PS: I'm not a lawyer or actor, either. >Well by now you know it is Against Federal Law to Listen to Cordless >Phones, As a Retired Law Enforcement Officer, Not a Lawyer nor do I play >one on TV , Will you Please for you own benefit quit Talking about what you >Allegedly did, or you just might find Everything that has been posted by >you and everyone else Show up printed out in Court, I had a 83 yr old Ham >Radio operator tell me one time By God young man if the Government or any >one else don't want me to listen then keep the Damn Signals off my property >, it is things like this that make the Laws against Monitoring , Just >listen Enjoy yourself and keep your Mouth Shut > > > This is just my Personal thoughts > > Don KA9QJG > > >Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > >Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 223 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 0:30pm Subject: check it out! worksntv@... Send Email Send Email WELCOME TO SCANNING LUZERNE COUNTY. http://maxpages.com/luzernecounty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 224 From: Dan Fuller Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 9:41pm Subject: Fwd: Fw: [SBCRing] FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN bvilledan@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: Serenity24U@... Message-ID: <62.d7427ed.28014a5f@...> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 01:00:15 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: [SBCRing] FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN To: Bvilledan@... From: janice427@... (Janice Lovelle) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:52:36 -0700 (PDT) To: muffet89@..., BadgerBil3@..., JRE4150@..., field@..., AUMNJOY1@..., danitah@..., dave440x4x4@..., dawn_v99@..., DeeDeeDawner@..., dorothy-1229@..., RealmWomen2U@..., Jleat158@..., milli@..., Sheppardblair@..., coleman3881@..., mr1drfl@..., Serenity24U@... Subject: Fwd: Fw: [SBCRing] FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN Message-ID: <18198-3ACFEE94-130@...> Message-ID: <001701c0bfc6$6b114e60$1e584cd8@...> From: "Bill McMillan" To: Subject: Fw: [SBCRing] FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:53:49 -0500 No American would like to be left off of this petition to free the military personnel that are being held hostage by the Chineese government....Just send you name to Bill Herrmann opeagle@...  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Herrmann" To: "Bill McMillan" Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [SBCRing] FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN  > Just email me your permission to add your name, or the names of family and > friends who may wish to have their names added, I will then physically add > the names I receive to the poster. > > Bill Herrmann,Director > "OPERATION:EAGLE" > -and- > EAGLES MOUNT > 9908 Berrywood Drive, Ladson,SC 29456 USA > opeagle@... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill McMillan [mailto:bjmcm@...] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:15 PM > To: Bill Herrmann > Subject: Re: [SBCRing] FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN > > > It's a super great idea Bill, but where do we sign up? Bill McMillan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Herrmann" > To: "SBC Ring List" > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:28 PM > Subject: [SBCRing] FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN > > > > > > Subject: FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > Greetings Everyone, > > > > I am Bill Herrmann, Director-"OPERATION:EAGLE" a volunteer endeavor to US > > Armed Forces & their families. By now I know all have heard about the > > People's Republic of China holding our US NAVY Plane and it's 24 member > > Crew. > > > > "OPERATION:EAGLE" has initiated the "FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN"- solely > based > > on the Internet Superinformation Highway, I have been sending out > thousands > > of email "Press Releases" inviting Americans to add their name, and the > > names of friends and families to a Poster I have made which calls for the > > Release of the 24 American Servicemen & women being held in the People's > > Republic of China. > > > > The poster, patterned after the type of posters normally observed in > > Tiannemen Square in Beijing by student groups; will be sent to President > > Zemin of the People's Republic of China and to the Chinese Central > > Committee. > > Currently, the poster is approaching 25 feet in length, and has over > 12,000 > > names added to it from Americans across the internet who have either heard > > directly about the "FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN" or received a email from > > someone else. > > > > I am inviting all of you to please relay this email message to your > friends > > and family, your Church memberships and to any Veterans that you may know > > across the USA. > > All Americans are invited to participate in this support effort to the > 24. > > > > Please help me spread the word about the "FREE OUR FLYERS CAMPAIGN". > > > > I am seeking a base figure of 100,000 names. The poster will be mailed to > > Beijing on Monday April 16th,2001 . > > > > I deeply appreciate your participation, and I am very grateful to those > who > > relay it across the Internet . I have Directed "OPERATION:EAGLE" over 16 > > years of my life,and I have NEVER seen the sort of response that I been an > > eyewitness to in regards to these 24 Americans being held by the People's > > Republic of China. Thanks for YOUR help. > > > > Bill Herrmann,Director > > "OPERATION:EAGLE" > > -and- > > EAGLES MOUNT > > 9908 Berrywood Drive, Ladson,SC 29456 USA > > opeagle@... > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > To subscribe to SBCRing email list send a request to > sbcringlist-request@... with the subject "subscribe" > > To unsubscribe to SBCRing email list send a request to > sbcringlist-request@... with the subject "unsubscribe: > > > > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ 225 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:28am Subject: OT Spam? North Hollywood shootout Audio CD marnells@... Send Email Send Email I may be spamming my own list, and if so I apologize. Please let me know if I'm out of line here. I recently finally located an "original" copy of the entire 42 minutes of the North Hollywood Shootout, as played out on the LAPD radio. In contrast to the 8-minute version I've had on my site, this is the entire incident, up to the second suspect's being shot. Also, in contrast to the online version, it's 44 KHz, 16 bit stereo, so the sound quality is excellent. If anyone is interested in a copy of it, I'll send a CD with it either in WAV format or MP3 (the WAV file is about 110 MB, the MP3 is 18 MB) for $10, including shipping. (I'll soon be upgrading to cable internet as soon as it arrives here in Ferndale, and I need to find a larger-capacity web server - my 100MB at www.snowcrest.net is full. There goes the money!) There's a five minute sample of it at my page http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/terry.htm If you have any questions, or want one, please contact me OFFLIST ONLY at marnells@...?subject=NHwdShootout Harry PS, It's also for auction on eBay if you'd rather try that route. Now back to our regular programming. 226 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 0:24pm Subject: Trunked Radio Database / Homepage worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [TrunkCom] Date: 04/15/2001 6:28:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: lindsay@... (Lindsay C. Blanton) Sender: owner-trunkcom@... Reply-to: lindsay@... (Lindsay C. Blanton) To: trunkcom@..., trunker@yahoogroups.com --- Submissions: trunkcom@... --- Hi Folks! I wanted to give the trunker and trunkcom mailing lists a heads up on the Trunked Radio Database progress. I've gotten a lot of system submissions - we now have over 380 systems in the database. The following changes were made to the database this weekend... - Added an option feature to display all system talkgroups in 1 sorted table. This link is available just under the "System Talkgroups" heading for each system. Currently, by default the page displays all talkgroups in a grouped format. - Added display of general system type (Motorola, EDACS, LTR etc) in the system list table, per numerous user requests. - Fixed formatting problems for talkgroups -- data was spaced too close, causing readability problems. Talkgroup Data looks better formatted now. - Now Display the word "system" for each system's name and title. - Removed the SID column from the system list table, since it takes up valuable space. I'm sure everyone will agree that this database has the potential to become an awesome source for Trunked Radio System data. It has grown by leaps and bounds over the past few months. I'm hoping that folks will have further suggestions for improvement...and more data to add to the database. Thanks in advance!! Lindsay C. Blanton The Trunked Radio Information Homepage http://www.trunkedradio.net lindsay@... _______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email as follows: TO: majordomo@... SUBJECT: MESSAGE: unsubscribe trunkcom or MESSAGE: unsubscribe trunkcom-digest _______________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 227 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 11:01am Subject: live dispatches worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Here's a site I came across where u can listen to various fire departments and hospitals across the country--- http://www.firehouse.com/li\ nks/Live_Dispatch/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 228 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Apr 18, 2001 9:50am Subject: UNIDEN worksntv@... Send Email Send Email There was a note posted recently which questioned if/when the BC245XLT was going to be phased out--I sent the posting to Uniden's Public Relations person--Here is what I got back--- Bob Subj: Re: FYI Date: 4/17/01 1:58:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: lindsay@... (Lindsay Lee) To: WORKSNTV@... I sent your note on to Uniden and they assured me that they do not have any plans to discontinue the BC245XLT. It is a very successful selling product. The improved handheld may take some time to develop due to technology issues. Thank you for your interest in Uniden products. Regards, Lindsay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 229 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 1:59pm Subject: SCAN/HAM worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Just wondering if there are any hams/scanner listeners who would like to start an informal scanner net on one of the HF bands??? Maybe 40 meters in the day, probably weekends. If so please e mail me directly!! 73' Bob WB3DYE 230 From: Dan Fuller Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 9:58pm Subject: Fwd: Who killed micro radio? bvilledan@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- Message-ID: <3AE0F544.C294F3A9@...> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:49:40 -0400 From: "Richard L. Whitmore" Subject: Who killed micro radio? [Yes, I know the FCC issued the 1st 25 construction permits today. A few stations will get on the air. But LPFM is a technology that could be much more.] Who killed micro radio? By Thomas W. Hazlett Special to ZDNet April 17, 2001 7:09 AM PT COMMENTARY--Low power FM radio is a superb idea. Allowing small, community-oriented stations to spring up--emitting just the power of an ordinary light bulb-- would be a burst of fresh broadcast air. Transmissions limited to just three and a half miles would politely avoid cacophony with existing stations, while empowering local pundits and entrepreneurs to speak their peace. From neighborhood Pentacostals to the angry urban militant, from mom & pop bookstores to the library's poetry circle, low power FM (LPFM) radio could be a delight to listeners, a windfall for local enterprise, and a boon to community awareness. It will never happen. Airspace that could sing will be silent. Like a long list of wireless services new and old, it is blocked by the spectrum allocation system. What gives this story a twist is that LPFM found champions at the heart of that system, the Federal Communications Commission. As has been widely chronicled, the FCC's plan for low-power radio was derailed this past December by the U.S. Congress, under pressure from existing (full-power) broadcasters. The New York Times reported that a sleeper budget provision "sharply curtails the ambitious plans of the Federal Communications Commission to issue licenses for low-power FM radio stations to 1,000 or more schools, churches and other small community organizations." The rules instituted by Congress would limit the FCC to licensing perhaps just 250 stations. Then-FCC Chairman William E. Kennard decried the "the dangers of politicizing spectrum management." It made good press. Clinton-Gore Democrats in bed with Christian conservatives to promote free speech, only to be slaughtered in Congress by lobbyists for the National Association of Broadcasters and National Public Radio. (Hey, what happened to the House GOP radicals for capitalism? And what about those corporate liberals pushing diversity at NPR?) But the brutal truth is even uglier: community radio was already hovering near death when bludgeoned by Congress. The FCC's regulatory process routinely stifles new technologies; politics-as-usual guaranteed that LPFM would never flourish. Most ironic is that it was doomed to fail by those who claimed to be its friends. Sounds of silence According to FCC rules, the radio waves are jammed. Are atmospheric conditions responsible? Yes. The atmospheric conditions in Washington, D.C. There are 269 U.S. radio markets, from New York, New York to Casper, Wyoming. Listeners in the average market can tune to 15 FM stations. Since there are 100 channels allotted to FM stations, 85 channels go unused. The "ambitious" FCC plan offered to drop in just four low-power stations per market. Most households would be unlikely to receive even a single one. The major roadblock is the FCC's practice of silencing three channels on either side of a full-power FM station as a buffer against interference. This soaks up precious bandwidth, a ridiculously slothful way to limit static. The broadcasters, knowing competitors could be slotted into those frequencies, pay big bucks for engineering studies showing such squandering necessary for easy listening. The FCC knows otherwise. Full-power stations peacefully co-exist with just one channel of separation. Hundreds of FM stations were "short spaced" into various cities as long ago as 1964, and interference complaints have been nil. These situations involve stations emitting up to one thousand times low-power's 100 watt limit. Proven separations for citywide blasters ought be civil for neighborhood whispers. Using this simple logic and conservative assumptions about radio spacing, there exists bandwidth to easily insert in excess of 100,000 low-power stations around the U.S. Community radio could unleash virtually ubiquitous broadcast opportunities for artists, schools, churches, local governments, police and fire departments, over-the-air classifieds, community newspapers, discount warehouses and grocery stores (announcing merchandise, produce or specials), book dealers and libraries (books on tape, poetry readings, services for the blind), parks (Little League play-by-play), political parties, legit theater, art galleries, foreign language communities, hospitals, youth and senior centers, 12-step programs, Kiwanis and Rotary clubs, social welfare organizations--the universe of niches is varied and vast. Gratuitous burdens This radio bazaar will not materialize under the parsimonious allocation of licenses contemplated by the FCC. Indeed, low-power service will attract only trivial audiences on those few stations licensed (before or after congressional restrictions) due to uneconomic Commission mandates. Under FCC rules only non-profit organizations are allowed to own licenses. Commercial, advertising-supported stations are prohibited. Initially, only one station is permitted per organization. (After three years, a maximum of ten micro stations may be owned in different markets.) No license goes to a newspaper or other local media outlet. And licensing rules can force stations to program eight hours of original shows daily. Regulatory overkill assures that low power FM stations are expensive to operate, difficult to fund, and a yawn to audiences. Entrepreneurs who might discover how to make low-power FM popular are eliminated: for-profits need not apply. LPFM could provide finely targeted audiences for advertising by local shops, craftsmen, or repair services, but commercial ad time is illegal. Economies from networking local operations are powerful in radio--as the ongoing conglomeration of hundreds of full-power FM and AM stations in mega-mergers attests--but common ownership is strictly limited. Leveraging the resources of local newspapers, including alternative weeklies, to create content is a cost-savings no-brainer. Illegal monopolization. Syndication of unique audio programs would enhance free speech. But these bump into original content obligations. As would attempts to serve an immigrant enclave by broadcasting home country news and entertainment. The bitterest aftertaste left by these poison pills is that they were imposed with the advise and consent of low-power's most vocal advocates. LPFM activists proudly tout the technology as analogous to public access channels on cable television. The irony--the utter failure of public access channels to attract viewers despite countless millions in subsidies from cable TV systems coast-to-coast--is lost. LPFM champions such as Andrew Schwartzman of the Media Access Project were eager to impose economically debilitating limits on low-power FM operators. Schwarztman argued that the FCC should "place stricter ownership limits on low power FM stations than on full power stations," and restrict "low power licensees to a single license." This is bizarre public policy. By severely handicapping fledgling stations, the policy reduces both free speech and market competition. That is the outcome of a regulatory system that is broken. Rodger Skinner, the low power FM advocate who filed one of the two 1998 petitions that provoked the FCC into opening a rule making on the matter, fought a lonely battle for liberal rules allowing financially viable stations. Many low-power advocates were really just into "play radio," says Skinner, a retired radio engineer who sought to create "a full fledged new broadcasting service." It was a "huge blow when the FCC limited LPFM to non-commercial use," he says, leaving operators with "no way to support a real radio station." He believes that LPFM "died" January 20, 2000--the date FCC regulations were adopted. Mbanna Kantako is a blind disc jockey broadcasting "Human Rights Radio" to Springfield, Illinois' housing projects since 1987. The airwaves have quiet spaces available for tens of thousands of Kantakos to bloom. But the seedlings will not be planted. In this silence, a careful listener hears "the dangers of politicizing spectrum management." It is as shattering at the FCC as it is in Congress. Hazlett is a Resident Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and a former FCC Chief Economist. This essay is based on research in his paper, "The Wireless Craze," forthcoming in the Harvard Journal of Law & Technology. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ 231 From: Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 10:36am Subject: New file uploaded to scan4good scan4good@yahoogroups.com Send Email Send Email Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the scan4good group. File : /lacountyord.htm Uploaded by : marnells@... Description : Uh-oh! There IS an LA County Anti-Scanner Ordinance You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scan4good/files/lacountyord.htm To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, marnells@... 232 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 3:20pm Subject: Fw: [scan_ky_wv] thanks, "zerg" marnells@... Send Email Send Email Forwarded from: ----- Original Message ----- From: scan_ky_wv@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:25:38 -0400 From: "Rob Bailey" Subject: RE: hello I work in Huntington and have noticed several ASTRO repeaters have come on line in the area (e.g., 460.3125). I guess they are KSP's new system. With KSP, Ohio's MARCS, etc., I suppose Chicken Little's predictions about the imminent demise of the scanning hobby might be less-than-ridiculous, now. And all this after just reading an article about a pair of robbers who knocked off a Lincoln Co, WV pharmacy at gunpoint and were *immediately* apprehended in very large part because local scanner listeners heard the BOLO and reported the guys' location like an electronic trail of bread crumbs that they couldn't shake. Hmmmm.... ...R Rob Bailey, wm8s@... 233 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 4:42pm Subject: Fw: LA Co Scanner Law preempted by FCC? Anyone? marnells@... Send Email Send Email Re: LA County scanner law: http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/lacountyord.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Corbin" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 09:38 Subject: Re: [SoCalFire] New file uploaded to SoCalFire > > I could be wrong, but I *thought* the FCC passed regs a few years > ago preempting laws such as these... > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:35:58AM -0700, Harry Marnell wrote: > > You'll note it doesn't say the sheriff has to do anything, but, hell, it > > might cause him to create a couple more clerical jobs...or one at each > > station :-) Or have him request the County Board of Supes to delete > > everything except the "using for personal gain" part > > > > harry 234 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 3:26pm Subject: L.A. City Anti-Monitoring Ordinance marnells@... Send Email Send Email Well, kiddies, it looks like I had another attack of premature jubilation. After finding the L.A. COUNTY "anti-monitoring" ordinance, I posted the page < http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/lacounty.ord.htm > with the comment that the City has no such regulation. If you (don't) want to take a look at it, I've posted the L.A.M.C. sections, 50.44 and 52.46, which appear to still be in effect, at < http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/lamc-scanners.htm > I'm way out of county, so if anyone living in the city would like to contact the city attorney's office to see if it is in fact still on the books, go ahead...and keep us posted. Otherwise I'll do it. Then we could contact Bernie and see how to get a permit from him (ha!). Or maybe we best let sleeping LAPDogs lie? (Lay?) Harry / N6URU Always the bearer of good tidings http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells <~~<~~Been here lately? It's always changing sometimes 235 From: Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 8:31pm Subject: New file uploaded to scan4good scan4good@yahoogroups.com Send Email Send Email Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the scan4good group. File : /lamc-scanners.htm Uploaded by : marnells@... Description : Los Angeles CITY anti-scanner ordinance You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scan4good/files/lamc-scanners.htm To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, marnells@... 236 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 6:56pm Subject: Re: [SoCalFire] Re: L.A. City Anti-Monitoring Ordinance marnells@... Send Email Send Email Nice to see - once again - the 'enlightened,' common sense attitude in some of our public servants, Brian. harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Los Angeles Fire Department" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 08:59 Subject: [SoCalFire] Re: L.A. City Anti-Monitoring Ordinance > --- In SoCalFire, "Harry Marnell" wrote: > > > L.A.M.C. sections, 50.44 and 52.46, which appear to still be in > > effect... > > Yes, they are still in effect, but rarely used (and should really be > of little concern to those who monitor in an ethical manner). There > are many other Codes, Laws and Regulations that allow Law Enforcement > officials to "bring into alignment" those who are being unlawful or > in some cases just plain bothersome. Please remember that rarely is > the monitor radio the culprit in such situations - rather the > behavior of the person listening. > > If anyone should feel the need, they can search an up-to-date version > of the Los Angeles Municipal Code via: > > http://www.lacity.org/lacity102.htm > > Simply scroll down to "Municipal Code" and do a search. > > Monitor Safely! > > Brian > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SoCalFire-unsubscribe@egroups.com > To contact the list owner, send an e-mail to SoCalFire-Owner@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 237 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 5:43pm Subject: more ham traffic possible from ISS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email ==>ISS PARTNERS GRANT FLIGHT EXEMPTION FOR DENNIS TITO, KG6FZX The International Space Station Partnership has granted an exemption for the flight of American businessman Dennis Tito, KG6FZX, to the ISS aboard a Russian Soyuz 2 taxi mission. Russia already had given Tito the go ahead to visit the ISS as part of a three-man team on the 10-day Soyuz mission, scheduled to begin April 28. NASA has extended the shuttle Endeavour visit to the ISS by at least a day as the space station crew resolves computer problems and recommended that Russia postpone the Soyuz mission. A NASA statement said that following "intense and extensive consultations" among all space station partners, the Multilateral Coordination Board "achieved consensus on the proposed Tito flight." A former Jet Propulsion Lab engineer, Tito, 61, reportedly has agreed to pay the Russian space program $20 million for the privilege of becoming the first "space tourist." The public relations value of Tito's imminent visit was not lost on the Board. "It is understood that Mr. Tito will contribute to the formation of positive public opinion about the ISS program and the ISS partnership," its meeting report concluded. There are conditions to Tito's visit. He reportedly has agreed that neither he nor his heirs will hold NASA liable for anything that might happen to him on board and that he will pay for anything he might damage. A NASA task force has recommended that Tito have an astronaut escort to visit the US sectors of the ISS and that he sleep near the Soyuz escape vehicle in case an emergency arises. During Tito's visit, the crew of Russian Commander Yury Usachev, UA9AD, and US astronauts Susan Helms, KC7NHZ, and Jim Voss, is expected to adopt a minimal work routine and maintenance schedule. Initially, NASA had vigorously opposed allowing Tito to fly to the ISS at this time and had suggested putting the mission off until later this year. NASA said the Board agreed that no ISS partner would propose to fly another "non-professional crewmember" until the ISS partnership had finalized and adopted detailed crew criteria. Those criteria are to be in place by June. Tito has been in Russia training to go into space. He took and passed the Technician exam earlier this month. NASA sources have said that Tito will have access to the ARISS amateur gear on a "non-interference basis"--meaning that he must not interfere with the crew's work or sleep schedules. At this point, the ham gear is installed in the module that doubles as sleeping quarters for some of the crew. Tito is not scheduled to be involved in any ARISS school contacts--such QSOs normally are not scheduled during docked operations anyway, because the crew is too busy--but it's expected that he may use ham radio to keep in touch with his family. He's also indicated a preference for packet over FM voice. 238 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue May 1, 2001 11:40pm Subject: Uniden Digital scanner due "In about a year" marnells@... Send Email Send Email http://www.telecomclick.com/magnewsarticle.asp?newsarticleid=198391&siteid=3 &magazineid=2 thank you to zerg90 & fireradio@yahoogroups.com for the heads-up on this one Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells <~~<~~Been here lately? It's always changing sometimes 239 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue May 1, 2001 9:36pm Subject: DIGITAL SCANNER worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Uniden America, Fort Worth, TX, expects to manufacture a scanner capable of receiving trunked Project 25 communications within a year or a little longer. “It’s something we have been working on,” said Jim Cassidy, the company’s product planning manager in charge of scanners and other products. Cassidy said that listening to communications carried by a public safety trunked radio system doesn’t violate restrictions imposed by federal law, which includes exceptions for public safety communications and for broadcasts intended for public reception. http://www.telecomclick.com/magnewsarticle.asp?newsarticleid=198391&siteid=3& magazineid=2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 240 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat May 5, 2001 0:03pm Subject: ISS/TITO worksntv@... Send Email Send Email The following info is from ARRl and NASA Bob --------------------------- Having the time of his life aboard the International Space Station, US businessman Dennis Tito, KG6FZX, this week made his first Amateur Radio contacts from his perch in space. Tito arrived aboard the ISS on April 30. The first "space tourist," Tito spoke May 1 via Amateur Radio with his family as the ISS was passing over Hawaii. The audio was telebridged to the mainland. On May 2, Farrell Winder, W8ZCF, in Cincinnati, reported snagging two contacts with the ISS--the second time chatting with Tito for several minutes. Tito used the NA1SS call sign for the contact. He reportedly made a few other contacts this week as well. Winder said Tito told him he loves space and was having a ball. "He said it is the greatest experience of his lifetime," Winder said. He also said Tito was eager to know what was being discussed about him on Earth. During Tito's visit, the crew of Russian Commander Yury Usachev, UA9AD, and US astronauts Susan Helms, KC7NHZ, and Jim Voss, are undertaking a minimal work routine and maintenance schedule. Winder says he also spoke with Helms during another pass. In a TV interview from space earlier this week, Tito said he was not nervous at all about the launch. He reports suffering some space sickness early on but has begun to get used to weightlessness. "I'll tell you, there is nothing like this as an experience," Tito said. He said the ISS crew welcomed him and gave him a tour of the spacecraft. Tito reportedly will pay Russia a total of some $20 million for the privilege of going into space. He and two Russian cosmonauts launched April 28 from Kazakhstan on a 10-day Soyuz vehicle taxi mission. NASA initially opposed Tito's visit, but Russia insisted. Last week, NASA relented and agreed to the arrangement under certain conditions. Tito, 60, took and passed the Technician exam earlier this month after a volunteer examination session was set up for him in Russia. -------------------------- > > > The following VHF frequencies are used for some ARISS contacts. These > frequencies were chosen after much deliberation, to minimize problems > between ARISS and other 2-meter users. If you have comments, please direct > them to AMSAT via Frank Bauer, KA3HDO, email ka3hdo@... . We > appreciate the cooperation of all amateurs making ARISS successful. > Frequencies used for ARISS > Voice Downlink: 145.80 (Worldwide) > Voice Uplink: 144.49 (Regions 2&3) 145.20 (Region 1) > Packet Uplink: 145.99 (Worldwide) Most ARISS operations are split-frequency > (each school uses separate receive and transmit frequencies). Please do not > transmit on the shuttle's downlink frequency. The downlink is your > receiving frequency. The uplink is your transmitting frequency. Earth > stations should listen to the downlink frequency and transmit on the uplink > frequency only when the ISS or spacecraft is in range and crewmembers are > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 241 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun May 6, 2001 10:20am Subject: 800 mhz=more problems worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Orange County's new $94 million emergency radio system was developed without taking new growth in south county into account and could cost millions of dollars to fix, a grand jury report released Thursday said http://www.ocregister.com/sitearchives/2001/5/4/local/radios00504cci3.shtml 242 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue May 8, 2001 0:13pm Subject: FOR SCANNERISTS WITH HAM URGES worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [PaHam] Attention Carbon County and Surrounding Area Hams Date: 05/07/2001 8:40:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: goody@... (Goody) Sender: owner-paham@... Reply-to: goody@... (Goody) To: paham@... Greetings The Carbon Amateur Radio Club (W3HA) will be having its Field Day (June 23rd and 24th) atop Blue Mountain Ski Resort near Palmerton, PA. We welcome non-members and anyone who has a genuine interest in ham radio to our events. If you'd like to participate, or just stop by for a soda and a bowl of chili, please email me at goody@..., or call W3HA on the W3HA repeater at 147.255 + offset, PL 131.8 during the event for directions. 73/72 Goody K3NG 243 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:26am Subject: HARD CORE SCANNER FREQ'S worksntv@... Send Email Send Email To catch the latest chatter, Parlett takes his scanners just about everywhere. He carries them into restaurants. He uses one as he mows the lawn. He leaves them on while he sleeps in a house that has two speakers in each room. And he has a wife who'd prefer they stay off. He even wears his portable scanner during church. "That's what earphones are for,'' Parlett explained. http://www.dispatch.com/news/news01/may01/687509.html 244 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri May 18, 2001 5:37pm Subject: Edmond (Okla.) worksntv@... Send Email Send Email The city of Edmond (Okla.) announced it has formally accepted its Motorola SMARTNET, two-site, simulcast, analog radio system for public safety and other city agencies--that means the city will now make final payment on the $3.4 million contract. The system links to the state's radio system, allowing Edmond officers, firefighters and others to talk directly with the state's DPS, Highway Patrol and Department of Corrections. The system includes 450 mobile and portable radios, and a 5-position console in the comm center. Edmond is just north of Oklahoma City and has a population of 70,000, including the 15,000-student campus of the University of Central Oklahoma. The adjacent towns of Norman and Shawnee have similar systems, Motorola says, which enhances interoperability. 245 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue May 22, 2001 11:11am Subject: cumberland co pa worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Another digital system--the same type which is being installed for the Pa State Police.. Orbacom will install its OrbaNET T5 Communications System in the newly-renovated Cumberland County (Penn.) 911 Communications Center, as part of the facility's 800 MHz MA/COM OpenSky radio system. The OrbaNET systems consists of the paging, vehicle ID, external time sync Interface, statistics management, universal CAD control interface, eight video-based console positions and 120 radio channels, including trunked and conventional. The county held a ribbon-cutting on May 5th for the facility and radio upgrades, which has a $10.5 million budget. 246 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed May 23, 2001 6:38pm Subject: WILLIAMSPORT PA worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I don't have a lot of details but get this> Williamsport Pa has dropped their 800 mhz trunked system. They moved back to VHF where they were 10 years ago. According to city officials: the 800 mhz system was getting old and finding spare parts was becomming a problem. [sounds like the reason some 800 mhz suppliers give for trying to convince VHF systems to go 800 mhz] One of the city officials was overheard saying they can't understand why the state is going 800 mhz digital---at a cost of 250 million dollars If anyone has specfic freq info please pass it along.. I do know that county is dispatching other departments at 155.310 [repeater out] fire departments ar 154.430 [repeater out] 247 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:35pm Subject: williamsport, pa freqs worksntv@... Send Email Send Email In a previous posting I reported how Williamsport, Pa [the home of little league baseball] was dumping it's trunked 800 mhz system for VHF. In other words "state of the art" wasn't working out--They had it for 10 years. Anyway: here is a list of freqs they should be using. All PL codes are 167.9 155.7675 154.3175 154.9275 155.7825 153.9725 ------------- 151.0925 154.2875 153.9875 151.0025 153.9725 153.7625 Anyone in the Wmspt area listening to this--let me know what freqs are active--- Bob 248 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat May 26, 2001 11:18am Subject: DIES INSTALLING ANTENNA worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Although this involves a ham radio operator--many scanner listeners should take note of the potential dangers of installing that outside antenna! Bob WB3DYE ==>KENTUCKY AMATEUR DIES INSTALLING ANTENNA A Kentucky Amateur Radio Emergency Service member died May 20 while installing a 2-meter antenna he'd just bought at the Dayton Hamvention. According to ARRL Kentucky Section Emergency Coordinator Ron Dodson, KA4MAP, Ronald L. Oller, KG4JVT, of Irvington, died when the groundplane antenna he was installing fell onto the overhead electrical service line to his house. He had been a ham for about eight months. Dodson said Oller and a teenaged friend, John Betner, KG4LHQ, had purchased new 2-meter groundplanes at the Hamvention. The pair already had installed one of the units at Betner's home and were in the process of raising Oller's antenna when the incident occurred. Betner was not injured and summoned help for his friend. Dodson said Oller had a history of heart trouble but said he did not know if that was a factor in his death. Dodson described Oller as "one of the most enthusiastic hams I have ever met" and as "a generous individual who loved to be helpful in spite of his heart ailment." Earlier in the weekend, Oller had traveled to Dayton Hamvention on a chartered bus with other amateurs from Kentucky's Meade, Breckinridge, Jefferson and surrounding counties. Oller got his license last October and became involved in public service and, as AAT4YQ/T, in the Military Affiliate Radio System. He also had "elmered" the 16-year-old Betner when he studied for his license. "It can happen to any of us at any time," said Dodson, who advised caution when installing antennas. "It's too late to help Ron, but, please, let's not lose anyone else to such a terrible tragedy." A memorial service for Ron Oller was set for May 27. 249 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat May 26, 2001 11:41am Subject: WMSPT PA FREQS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email The following is a message I received from a scanner listener near Williamsport concerning their change in freqs: Bob --------------------------- 155.7675 seems to be the most active frequency tonight (friday). I did hear one or two transmissions on 155.7825 & 153.9725 Bob P.S. I still caught the identifier on the 800 system tonight, but no voice communications. 250 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu May 31, 2001 9:44am Subject: 800 meg request-from another list worksntv@... Send Email Send Email >>> Randall.Larson@... 5/30/01 3:19:24 AM >>> Pls forward any responses to me - an associate in Illinois is asking: I am looking for fire departments that are using the 800 mhz radio system in the dispatch centers. Our city has been using Motorola 800 trunking for about 2 years, it works for police but the fire department wants to trash the system and go back to using high band. I am just trying to do some research to see if other agencies are having the same problems. Details: The fireman carrying pagers which are high band that they are toned out on. The actual call is then handled on the 800 mhz. They receive feed back from their pagers. They are also complaining about feedback from other areas which does not come across on my tape recordings but they have had a negative attitude towards the change from the very beginning.They advise they can not hear what is going on when they are in a building but when it is tested you can hear fine. They claim the 800 radio's have too many buttons and it is too complicated for them to worry about different talk groups and having to change to different channels. Asking if any other departments have any policies on how they are to handle their dispatching using the 800system. I suspect the problem may be more user/command-generated than equipment, but if you'll reply with any relevant data or SOPs that you have I'll forward them on to the requestor. Thanks - Randall/SJFire 251 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 0:24pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Motorola is handling radio communications for the 2001 World Police & Fire Games in Indianapolis (Ind.) June 8-16. The donated radio gear will cover 43 sporting locations and some 9,000 participants, and allow volunteers to keep track of people, events, vehicles and equipment. The system backbone is actually Indianapolis' existing trunked system operated by the Metropolitan Emergency Communications Agency (MECA) that covers the city and Marion County. Motorola employees will also be among the 6,200 volunteers helping to administer the games. 252 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 9:56pm Subject: SCANNERS/AND THE MOB.SCRANTON, PA worksntv@... Send Email Send Email T racking their prey seemed well underway as the police scanner crackled to life.Excited male voices traded information and worried out loud that they'd been "eyeballed."The voices belonged to police who had several people and places under surveillance two weeks ago in a scene that played out for about an hour. http://web.timesleader.com/content/leader/2001/06/05/corbett/05CORBET11A.htm 253 From: Don Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 6:12am Subject: AF freqs ka9qjg@... Send Email Send Email I got a E-Mail from my Brother Who is Retired from the AF , But Still teaching at the Base. He is a Scanner user and The Base is now using, Sheppard AFB, Texas Motorola Type II SmartNet 7 channels 400 Mhz , he ask me What would he need to pick them up ? I stated Probably a Uniden or Radio Shack Trunker, I no Sometimes it is Hard to say I don't know, so if any one Can help Me out Please E-Mail me the freqs and If you know if the Truntrackers will work ? Thanks Don KA9QJG 254 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 11:43am Subject: Re: AF freqs zerg90@... Send Email Send Email I think that someone on the dfwscan list was just asking about the trunked radio system at Sheppard AFB also. It might be a new system and no one has figured out the freqs yet. You might want to look at www.trunkedradio.net and see if the info is on there. There are many other lists and message boards that you can check out. www.strongsignals.net - trunkcom@... - trunker@yahoogroups.com - etc Peter S 255 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 1:14pm Subject: Fw: Cops say teen concocted radio calls marnells@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 00:48 Subject: [socalscan] Cops say teen concocted radio calls Brian D. Crecente, News Staff Writer May 11, 2001 - A 16-year-old boy using a handheld radio and a computer allegedly sent Denver police cruisers and a helicopter to fake emergencies and called officers off legitimate 911 calls for more than a month before getting caught. Police said Thursday that the teen managed to hack into the department's computer-controlled radio system, program his radio to transmit on the department's frequency from his Southwest Denver home and then took on the alias of Jerry Martinez, a ficticious Denver police officer. Division Chief Steve Cooper said the teen talked to dispatch pretending to be the officer more than a dozen times from March to May, including a March 19 call for backup that sent patrol cars speeding with lights and sirens to the scene of a non-existent crash. About 8:30 p.m., the teen allegedly called police dispatch on his radio reporting a hit-and-run accident near West Jewell Avenue and South Sheridan Boulevard. He reportedly told the dispatcher that he was following the suspect at a high rate of speed. The dispatcher sent patrol cars to the area. Detectives found their suspect with the help of the Federal Communications Commission and arrested him May 1. Cooper said the teen was charged with a dozen felony and a dozen misdeameanor crimes involving wire tapping, eavesdropping and telecomminication fraud. He is being held at the Gilliam Youth Services Center. Deputy Police Chief of Operations Dave Abrams said it's hard to estimate how much the teen may have cost the city in wasted manpower and equipment. The police department plans to have experts review the security of their emergency radio system and will tell other departments across the country of the possible weakness in the system. "This is an officer safety issue, a public safety issue," he said. "You can't have someone out there broadcasting emergency calls; the potential is frightening. This kid had the ability to wreak havoc with our communications system." The teenager was not satisfied with just the radio ruse, police said. On April 6, he allegedly took to the streets of Littleton dressed in a Denver police jacket and driving a truck equipped with emergency lights and his radio. Angered by another driver, the teen reportedly attempted to pull the man over. The man refused, drove to his home and had a neighbor call police. The teen first told Littleton police he was an off-duty officer, but later burst into tears and admitted that he had made the story up, according to Littleton police reports. He was issued a summons for impersonating a peace officer, false reporting to authorities and unauthorized use of emergency vehicle lights. On April 26, the teen allegedly called dispatch requesting information on three license plates, but this time police were ready for him. Dispatchers kept him on the radio for an hour and a half, telling him that one of the plates he requested came back to a wanted person who was armed and dangerous. An FCC agent used special equipment to track the broadcast back to the teen's house during the conversation. The agent spotted the teen standing in his front yard, talking into a radio. The agent confiscated nine radios from the home. The next day, a police informant called the teen and asked him to reprogram the informant's radio so he could listen to Denver police and transmit on their frequency. On May 1, the teen brought the reprogrammed radio to the informant's house and was arrested. Police found a computer and other radio equipment in the basement of his grandmother's house. Cooper said the teen's alleged penchant for talking to the helicopter when it was over his neighborhood and his mispronunciation of other officers' names tipped dispatchers off that they were dealing with an intruder. Police have not determined how the teen allegedly hacked into their radio system. The police department's emergency radio system uses two sets of security identification codes and a computer to prevent unauthorized access. "We have some guesses how he did it, but we're not sure," said Myron Kissinger, electronics technician supervisor for the police department's electronic engineering bureau. In any case, the case gave police a scare. "He had the potential for causing a lot of problems," Kissinger said. "As time went on, there is always the possibility that he would become more brazen." Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 256 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 2:09pm Subject: Re: Fw: Cops say teen concocted radio calls marnells@... Send Email Send Email I dunno...but it shows to go you that nothing is impenetrable. hm ----- Original Message ----- From: John Mayson To: SCANnorCAL@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 06:53 Subject: Re: Fw: Cops say teen concocted radio calls How? Denver uses an EDACS system. > May 11, 2001 - A 16-year-old boy using a handheld radio and a > computer allegedly sent Denver police cruisers and a helicopter to > fake emergencies and called officers off legitimate 911 calls for > more than a month before getting caught. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Be sure to check out the "Files" and "Links" regularly. Go to them from the http://www.egroups.com/group/SCANnorCAL homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 257 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 9, 2001 1:30pm Subject: 500 channel question worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I was at a hamfest today and spotted a new RS 500 channel mobile/base scanner on sale for 249 dollars. The local dealer had a booth set up. Anyway has anyone had experience with this radio? I believe it's a 2067? I don't need trunking where I live but I am looking for your experiences as it relates to inter-mod/selectivity/sensitivity and problems. Thanks in advance. If you wish you can e mail me directly as to not clog up the list :-) Bob WB3DYE 258 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 9, 2001 1:47pm Subject: TALK ABT DX! worksntv@... Send Email Send Email How do you listen to a transmission that couldn't make a lightbulb glow in a billion years? It's all in a day's work for NASA's extraordinary Deep Space Network (DSN). http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast06jun_1.htm?aol36764 Bob WB3DYE 259 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 5:01am Subject: Malicious Radio Interference marnells@... Send Email Send Email Catch radio jammers with help from well-equipped and well-trained Amateur radio operators. http://www.clede.com/Articles/Police/radioint.htm Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells <~~<~~Been here lately? It's always changing sometimes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 260 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 11:19am Subject: Houston FD went off the air worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [4phun] Houston FD went off the air Date: 06/09/2001 10:43:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: rfmobile@... (Rick Parrish) Reply-to: 4phun-radio@yahoogroups.com To: 4phun-radio@yahoogroups.com According to this post earlier today, Houston Fire Dept. went off the air this morning ... (also see follow-up post below) ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- I received a call from Houston about 0530 hrs Houston time. Houston Fire Department went off the air about 0500 hrs CDT (Houston time). All repeaters seem to be down as judged from listening post just south of Hobby airport. 911 telephone system had crashed prior to that time. My contact does not monitor PD so situation there unknown. Any assitance with communications that readers on this site could provide would probably be very helpful. USE EXTREME CAUTION IN TRAVELING. NUMEROUS PEOPLE IN CARS HAVE BEEN TRAPPED IN HIGH WATER. I expect some, possibly many, fatalities. A number of fires went unfought over night because apparatus could not reach locations due to high water. Public statements by Office of Emergency Management clearly understated degree to which HFD was overwhelmed by situation. Typical traffic while HFD was still on the air: "Station 37 (Aberdeen and Stella Link) to dispatcher. A man in a canoe just paddled into station and said that a house at Aberdeen and Buffaloe Speedway is on fire." Dispatcher: "Are you going to respond to that location?" Station 37: "We are unable to leave the station. We are sending a firefighter with a walkie talkie to the scene in the canoe." A little while later: "Canoe 37 to dispatcher. House at Aberdeen amd Buffaloe totally involved. No need to send equipment. The house has burned down to the water line which is about 6 feet above the floor." Joe Gay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- I hear Ham radio operators on 146.92 the Southwest Link freq. Setting up at fire stations to relay messages around Houston. James KD5JBT - Waller, TX ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- 261 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:33am Subject: QUESTION worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Well I took the plunge!!!! I just bought a new Radio Shack 2067 on sale for 249 dollars and have it running for now in my shack with a power supply and have it programmed up about 300 channels... [[because it was the only one left ay the store--the salesman gave it an extra one year on the factory warrenty free!]] Anyway I do have a question: Can I program pl's into it? The manual states: it decodes pl's but I wonder if this only works in the closed mode...In another words in the closed mode if it stops on a channel--Does it looks for the pl and automatically puts it in on every transmission??? The manual is not very clear on this. Bob WB3DYE 262 From: David Patterson Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 4:29am Subject: Re: QUESTION davidp@... Send Email Send Email Hi Bob. The 2067 manual is not very clear on ANYTHING. This is one of the most versatile scanners I have seen in over 30 years of radio usage. But it is also the absolute worst manual I have ever read. Radio Shack should be embarrassed. Yes, the radio will decode and display the PL or DPL on a channel, and you can program it to stop on a channel only if a particular PL or DPL is present. But the keystroke sequence is not intuative, and the manual is so poorly organized and written that it is a major problem to change anything in the radio. If it has only been a day or two since I programmed something, I can usually stumble through doing it again, but if it has been weeks or months since adding or deleting a PL or reorganizing the talk groups, I have to get the manual down and try to decipher what the instructions are. The only operational fault I can find with the radio is that there is no way (at least I have not FOUND a way) to subdivide the talk groups within a system, like most trunking scanners can do. In other words, most scanners let you have say, 5 banks of 10 talkgroups, so that you can put all the Fire Department groups on one bank, EMS on another, Northside PD on one, etc. Then if there is a big fire you can easily lock out all the groups but the Fire Department. With this scanner, you would have to lock out each talk group ID individually. Maybe there is a way, but I haven't found it. Part of the problem is that programming instructions are not presented in a linear fashion. They will start you off with some keystroke sequences, then jump to some other subject. The rest of the explanation may be pages later, or even pages earlier, or even in another chapter. I don't have my manual here in front of me, but if you have specific questions, email at the address shown. Best regards, David Patterson At 11:33 AM 6/11/01 EDT, you wrote: >Well I took the plunge!!!! I just bought a new Radio Shack 2067 on sale for >249 dollars and have it running for now in my shack with a power supply and >have it programmed up about 300 channels... >[[because it was the only one left ay the store--the salesman gave it an >extra one year on the factory warrenty free!]] > >Anyway I do have a question: >Can I program pl's into it? The manual states: it decodes pl's but I wonder >if this only works in the closed mode...In another words in the closed mode >if it stops on a channel--Does it looks for the pl and automatically puts it >in on every transmission??? >The manual is not very clear on this. > > >Bob >WB3DYE > > >Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > >Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > 263 From: David Patterson Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 4:33am Subject: Re: QUESTION on RS 2067 davidp@... Send Email Send Email BTW, Bob......... I just made the same mistake you did.........my first reply to you used the incredibly vague headline of "QUESTION". I am sending this message to remind all of us to try to put some indentifier the headline so that all the folks reading these messages can sort them out a bit better and not waste time. Best, dp 264 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 9:30am Subject: ..MORE ON 800 MHZ WOES worksntv@... Send Email Send Email This is from another posting" Bob WB3DYE Joseph Cardani thought you might find this news story from NBC10.COM interesting. Joseph Cardani writes: NBC10 Site Article The story can be found at http://www.nbc10.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTe nse/Apps/Xcelerate/Render&c=NBCArticle&cid=NBCORKHRZNC&preview=true. 265 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 10:13am Subject: PA STATE WIDE SYSTEM worksntv@... Send Email Send Email There's been some questions as to when the Pa State Wide communications system will come on line. According to a spokesman for the Governor it will roll out in the 2ed quarter of 2002. The 800 mhz digital system was supposed to be active in February of this year. It's also 42 million dollars overbudget. Bob WB3DYE 266 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jun 19, 2001 0:29pm Subject: PA STATE WIDE worksntv@... Send Email Send Email This is the experience happening as one county plans on "piggybacking" onto Pa's new digital 800 mhz system. The system for the state costs 240 million dollars, does not follow Project 25 "modulation" and is expected to be online this time next year---------- --------------------------- Volunteer fire company chiefs across the county say plans for a new countywide emergency radio network will leave them scrambling for money.At a meeting of the Lancaster County Fire Chiefs Association in Neffsville Wednesday night, fire officials aired their views about the overhaul of Countywide Communications. http://www.lancnews.com/intell_news/radiosj1.htm 267 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jun 20, 2001 6:09pm Subject: ...MORE 800 MHZ worksntv@... Send Email Send Email As usual, the FauquierNews.com Web site is keeping close tabs on that Virginia county's plan to build an 800 MHz trunked radio system, despite a less expensive option to upgrade their current and various VHF radio channels to trunked. The site has been critical of the need and expense of an 800 MHz system, and now points out that documents purporting to show that Wisconsin's pilot state-wide VHF trunking plan is technically flawed, are incorrect. Actually, the state simply can't find enough VHF frequencies, despite obtaining 20 channel pairs from the military in the 139 to 142 MHz band. Read the entire on-line story at: http://www.fauquiernews.com/ -------------------------- Motorola Inc. announced it will purchase and begin operating the 800 MHz emergency radio network owned by SCANA Communications, and which serves public safety agencies and utilities in South Carolina. A press release noted that SCANA now operates the system using Motorola equipment, but will transition operations of the network to Motorola. At the same time, Motorola will begin building out the system statewide, and upgrade equipment to full digital operation. Terms of the deal weren't disclosed. The system now covers about 70% of the state and serves 9,400 users from 44 agencies. 268 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 5:31pm Subject: Digital Scanner yahoogroup worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: Digital Scanner yahoogroup Date: 6/20/01 13:39:49 Eastern Daylight Time From: marnells@... (Harry Marnell) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: marnells@... (Harry Marnell) To: SCAN-L@... As many of you know, LAPD made the switch-over to all-digital on Monday evening. A lot of other agencies have already don it, and most - if not all - will be going digital in the not-too-distant future. The latest rumors I've heard is that Uniden is "working on" a digital-capable scanner that will receive "Project 25"-compliant transmissions, but as of now it looks to be maybe a year away...and probably well over $500. PERHAPS economy-of-scale will bring that price down some...and I have little doubt that Uniden and/or GRE or whoever would be spurred on when they see the interest. Anyway, I've found an existing "yahoogroup" that deals exactly with this topic, called, appropriately enough, Digital-Scanning. You can go look at the group's homepage at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DIGITAL-SCANNING or just go ahead and subscribe with the ol' blank email to digital-scanning-subscribe@yahoogroups.com The group has "262 members" but I see only a couple posts a month. I bet we can boost those numbers up a tad! Nope, it's NOT my group! Harry -- FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 269 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jun 25, 2001 0:08pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email This article says crimes conducted because of someone listening to a scanner is "rare" Bob --------------------- In a rare case of documented scanner use by a criminal, a Morgan County (Ind.) sheriff's deputy was shot 5 times and seriously wounded by a burglary suspect who later admitted he heard the officer run his plate on a scanner. The officer, who wasn't wearing a vest, is expected to recover, and the suspect was hit 7 times by return fire, then held at bay by the deputy's 19 year-old son, who happened to be riding with him. The most important point to ponder, however, is that the scanner didn't really play a part in the shooting--the deputy knew the suspect was wanted before he pulled him over. What's more, the radio broadcast the suspect overheard on the scanner was followed by the deputy pulling the suspect over, and ordering him out of the car ("...with your hands up...") at gunpoint--that was a much bigger clue than the radio broadcast the suspect heard. 270 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Jun 25, 2001 4:09pm Subject: Fw: uh-oh, FROM DISPATCH NEWS marnells@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 09:08 Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS This article says crimes conducted because of someone listening to a scanner is "rare" Bob --------------------- In a rare case of documented scanner use by a criminal, a Morgan County (Ind.) sheriff's deputy was shot 5 times and seriously wounded by a burglary suspect who later admitted he heard the officer run his plate on a scanner. The officer, who wasn't wearing a vest, is expected to recover, and the suspect was hit 7 times by return fire, then held at bay by the deputy's 19 year-old son, who happened to be riding with him. The most important point to ponder, however, is that the scanner didn't really play a part in the shooting--the deputy knew the suspect was wanted before he pulled him over. What's more, the radio broadcast the suspect overheard on the scanner was followed by the deputy pulling the suspect over, and ordering him out of the car ("...with your hands up...") at gunpoint--that was a much bigger clue than the radio broadcast the suspect heard. -- FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... 271 From: "Gary Hayes" Date: Wed Jun 27, 2001 2:39am Subject: Re: Fw: uh-oh, (hearing your own plate run) garbo117@... Send Email Send Email True Story, happened to me several years back; when I was living in West Sacramento. I had been to a Kings basketball game and instead of heading straight home to my tiny apartment I was out doing a little cruising in my pickup truck, about that time nature calls and I head behind some busisnesses to find a thirst bush or something. After taking care of busisness I pull out and driving down the street, after about a quarter mile I hear my plates being run by the West Sac police, sure enough a glance in my rear-view and there he was out of nowhere. Fortunately I was mostly behaving myself and was allowed to go on my way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Marnell" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 9:09 AM Subject: Fw: uh-oh, FROM DISPATCH NEWS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 09:08 > Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS > > > This article says crimes conducted because of someone listening to a scanner > is "rare" > > Bob > > --------------------- > In a rare case of documented scanner use by a criminal, a Morgan > County (Ind.) sheriff's deputy was shot 5 times and seriously wounded > by a burglary suspect who later admitted he heard the officer run his > plate on a scanner. The officer, who wasn't wearing a vest, is > expected to recover, and the suspect was hit 7 times by return fire, > then held at bay by the deputy's 19 year-old son, who happened to be > riding with him. The most important point to ponder, however, is that > the scanner didn't really play a part in the shooting--the deputy > knew the suspect was wanted before he pulled him over. What's more, > the radio broadcast the suspect overheard on the scanner was followed > by the deputy pulling the suspect over, and ordering him out of the > car ("...with your hands up...") at gunpoint--that was a much bigger > clue than the radio broadcast the suspect heard. > > -- > FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! > Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > 272 From: "Everett Curry Jr." Date: Wed Jun 27, 2001 3:23pm Subject: Re: Fw: uh-oh, (hearing your own plate run) ecurry@... Send Email Send Email Similar story... I am a clergyman and amateur radio operator. Several years ago, while on a judicatory staff in Los Angeles, I was attending a meeting at one of our churches. It ran quite late. In fact, past 2 am. As I left the meeting I sought a shorter trip back to the freeway. I was in a part of town where my comfort level was less that optimal. I got lost in Los Angeles!! Well, I had my scanner running, as I always did. As I fumbled around to find my way to the freeway I heard my call plates being run. In my case, I could not SEE the person running the plates. However, on a TAC frequency I heard a discussion about why someone with my address was running around where I was at that hour of the morning. Finally, I spotted one of the officers involved in the shadow of an industrial building. I must have looked okay and my VW Bug innocent enough. He followed me to the freeway and was gone. Interesting to be the subject of a conversation and a party to it unknown to those talking. Everett Gary Hayes wrote: > True Story, happened to me several years back; when I was living in West > Sacramento. > 273 From: Tom Evert Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 10:14am Subject: Re: Fw: uh-oh, (hearing your own plate run) tevert@... Send Email Send Email This is happening more and more frequently. Cops who don't have probable cause run plates hoping to find a stolen car, warrant on the driver, etc. I call it going fishing. So much for the fourth amendment :( "Everett Curry Jr." wrote: > Similar story... > > I am a clergyman and amateur radio operator. > > Several years ago, while on a judicatory staff in Los > Angeles, I was attending a meeting at one of our churches. > It ran quite late. In fact, past 2 am. > > As I left the meeting I sought a shorter trip back to the > freeway. I was in a part of town where my comfort level > was less that optimal. I got lost in Los Angeles!! > > Well, I had my scanner running, as I always did. As I > fumbled around to find my way to the freeway I heard my > call plates being run. In my case, I could not SEE the > person running the plates. However, on a TAC frequency I > heard a discussion about why someone with my address was > running around where I was at that hour of the morning. > Finally, I spotted one of the officers involved in the > shadow of an industrial building. > > I must have looked okay and my VW Bug innocent enough. He > followed me to the freeway and was gone. > > Interesting to be the subject of a conversation and a > party to it unknown to those talking. > > Everett > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 274 From: "Harry" Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 4:09pm Subject: Re: Fw: uh-oh, (hearing your own plate run) marnells@... Send Email Send Email --- In scan4good@y..., Tom Evert wrote: > This is happening more and more frequently. Cops who don't > have probable cause run plates hoping to find a stolen car, > warrant on the driver, etc. I call it going fishing. > > So much for the fourth amendment :( > I'm a bit ambivalent on the fourth amendment and "simply" running a plate without probable cause, although I'll admit I'm behind the curve on this one, in California anyway. When I was a ditchpatcher in the 60s-80s, and a unit ran a plate for stolen, I'd also do a DMV check and tell him/her the year and make also (when it wasn't stolen). A couple times it alerted the ofcr to cold plates on a hot car, which IMHO was an officer-safety issue in addition to the obvious possibility of a stolen car going on its merry way. I know that now, at LAPD anyway, a dispatcher MUST NOT give an officer any more information on a suspect or vehicle than the ofcr requests, and the officers aren't to request what they don't need. I have no idea what the officers are taught now. Both the department and the state DOJ do random audits of computer inquiries to verify "need to know," and several dispatchers have gotten in hot water over it. In my admittedly old-fashioned thought process, checking a plate on a moving veh for stolen or warrants is a very minimal invasion, compared to, for instance pulling the car over, which definitely requires probable cause. (I certainly won't argue the issue of bogus or after-the-fact inventing of PC by officers when they later find something). How would the old "hot sheets" of recently-stolen vehicles fit in to this argument? Would it be unconstitutional for an officer to peek at the list before making a t-stop not related to whether the cars was stolen. Again, the officer safety issue. Just my extra 2˘ Interesting discussion Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm <~~ updated yesterday, LAPD Comms 275 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jul 4, 2001 0:34pm Subject: 800 MHz Public Safety Interference worksntv@... Send Email Send Email APCO Project 39 UPDATE - July 3, 2001 Recently APCO President Lyle Gallagher formed Project 39. The pieces are now starting to come together. The first public meetings will be held in Salt Lake City at the APCO National Conference. These meeting will consist of pre-conference sub committee meetings and an open public forum held on Tuesday as part of the full program for conference attendees. The Steering Committee and other Committees will meet on the Sunday prior to the Conference to refine the direction the Project will take. The Project Committees will be looking to the user community for input during the Tuesday two hour session as well as providing information about Project 39. The goal of APCO Project 39 is to find viable solutions to the public safety/commercial system 800 MHz interference situations. The Best Practices Guide identified many of the causes of this interference, but does not provide the detail required to identify, locate, or provide solutions. P-39 will be a joint effort involving industry as well as public safety and will pursue solutions for short term, mid term, and long term mitigation. RoxAnn Brown a long time APCO member and Director of Washington County Consolidated Communications Agency in Beaverton, OR, an IGA Agency doing police, fire and EMS dispatching, has been appointed as the Project Chairperson. The structure of the Project will include a Steering Committee including members from other public safety representative associations. A Technical Committee appointed consistent with knowledgeable technical members representing a broad cross section of the public safety communications community from across the nation. A third subcommittee, the Commercial Advisory Committee, will consist of industry members including commercial carriers and manufacturers. The Commercial Advisory Committee will also include technical members from the industry side. The FCC will be invited to participate in a liaison capacity at large. The Project members realize that the there are many unique interference situations that will require a multi-faceted approach to successfully solving each interference issue. Any solutions that result will also have to be just as varied. It is hoped that a formal network for reporting, tracking and monitoring interference will result as well as a resource center that can actively broker potential solutions. Associated meeting. The FCC recently called a follow-up meeting of the informal task force that created the Best Practices Guide. This meeting was held on June 28, 2001. At this meeting the FCC was informed of the activities that have been ongoing since the work on the Best Practices Guide and what activities were planned for the future. There has been considerable activity by specific carriers and local public safety system operators. Project 39 intends to formalize this action expanding on what has been learned. Ron Haraseth, Project 39 APCO Staff Liaison Ron Haraseth Director APCO-AFC 351 N. Williamson Boulevard Daytona Beach, FL 32114-1112 voice 386-322-2500 cell 386-235-3528 fax 386-322-2502 harasethr@... www.apco911.org 276 From: Nigel Lilley Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 2:09am Subject: on offer) Access to nigel@... Send Email Send Email Both Biotechnology and Smart Technology. Your Investment - Each month your investment in GreenStar allows the company to expand its commercial Vermiculture Projects, from China, Western Australia and soon via the companies vision, the whole the world. Your investment purchases specially bred worms and bacteria; these turn organic waste into very profitable organic fertilisers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 277 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 11:28am Subject: FREQ GUIDE worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I have a lot of freq guides and was surprised when I came across the following---Although some of the info is incomplete it did have some freq's which I've been looking for--- http://www.cityfreq.com/ Bob WB3DYE 278 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 9:04am Subject: New Civil Air Patrol radios? worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: [scanning2000] Date: 07/12/2001 9:53:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: n9mon@... Reply-to: scanning2000@yahoogroups.com To: carma@... There is a new type of radio that Civil Air Patrol units are approved to start using. They are called "Inter-Squad Radios" (also called ISR) - the limited amount of info that I was able to gather on them is that they are not for use in aircraft, use freqs in the UHF band ("limited range of distance"), use freqs shared with other federal agencies, and are to be licensed in the same manner as other CAP radios. There is supposed to be more information available at "the main CAP website", but a 15 minute search of such known sites yields no info whatsoever. From the clues above, I gather that the freq could be in the federal land mobile (406-420 Mhz) range (especially seeing that they are not for use in aircraft, seems to rule out UHF air (225-400 Mhz) band. Does anyone have any other information on these new radios / freqs? Kevin O'Rourke n9mon@... member, Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association (CARMA) http://www.theramp.net/shabec/carma.htm - CARMA website http://www.theramp.net/shabec/email.htm - info on joining the CARMA listserver Community email addresses: Post message: scanning2000@onelist.com Subscribe: scanning2000-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scanning2000-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scanning2000-owner@onelist.com 279 From: "John H. Guetherman" Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 8:35am Subject: Re: New Civil Air Patrol radios? kb7mib@... Send Email Send Email --- In scan4good@y..., worksntv@a... wrote: > Subj: [scanning2000] > Date: 07/12/2001 9:53:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: n9mon@j... > Reply-to: scanning2000@y... > To: carma@q... > > There is a new type of radio that Civil Air Patrol units are approved to start using. They are called "Inter-Squad Radios" (also called ISR).....(snip) > > Kevin O'Rourke n9mon@j... > member, Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association (CARMA) > http://www.theramp.net/shabec/carma.htm - CARMA website > http://www.theramp.net/shabec/email.htm - info on joining the CARMA > listserver > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scanning2000@onelist.com > Subscribe: scanning2000-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scanning2000-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scanning2000-owner@onelist.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Icom America won the contract for the Soldier Intercom, and for a USMC radio which is basically a re-channeled FRS radio. Go to this page, and scroll down to the last 2 stories, and the back story for the soldier intercom (USMC; Soldier Intercom; Backstory, in that order): http://icomamerica.com/press/index2000.html#marines I would have to assume that the radios have been authorized for the other service's. John H. Guetherman KB7MIB/KAE7927/KAZ7FA Peoria, AZ. 280 From: "John H. Guetherman" Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 8:54am Subject: Re: uh-oh, (hearing your own plate run) kb7mib@... Send Email Send Email I recall one night, I heard a fire call at an apartment complex about half-a-mile east from my home. I also knew there is a church parking lot right across the street from the entrance to that apartment complex. So, I drove by to see if I could spot anything. Sure enough, the fire units were just down the main entrance, and were visible. (At least their lights were, at that time of night.) So, I pulled into the church's parking lot, and set up where I could observe. Untill I heard the BC ask fire alarm to dispatch PD for a possible meth lab. (The apartment unit with the small fire.) Obviously, I didn't want to be anywhere around there if something got touched off that really shouldn't have gotten touched off. So, I backed out of my spot, which was right next to one of the entrance/exit's to the lot, and stopped there to wait for traffic to clear. Well.....a cop car was the traffic. He came to a dead stop in outside traffic lane. I couldn't see him due to his headlights, or determine was his possible intentions were, so I hesitated, naturally, before pulling out. The rest of the lanes were clear, so I went. Of course, he flipped around on me, and followed me towards home. He must have been using his MDC to run my callsign plate, as I didn't hear a peep on the 3 voice radio channels. He followed me about a 1/4 mile, and flipped back around again, probably satisfied I had just seen the commotion and was checking it out, and not associated with what was going on. It gets your heart pumping though. *grin* John H. Guetherman KB7MIB/KAE7927/KAZ7FA Peoria, AZ. 281 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 10:59am Subject: noise in my 2067 worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I wonder if any other owners of the RS 2067 have noticed this situation: Once in a while on all except UHF channels you can hear data signals "under" the voice transmissions of whatever police/fire department you're listening to. This is NOT intermod because as soon as the public safety transmission stops--so does the data. It's not enough to interfer with hearing whats on the channel but I was wondering if this is a problem or something that other people have experienced. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for it--ie: time of day--location etc. I have a similar situtation with my Uniden 9000---but only in the 151mhz range. thanks in advance Bob WB3DYE 282 From: zerg90@... Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 2:39pm Subject: Omaha Lightning Kills One zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.theomahachannel.com/oma/news/stories/news-87799020010718-090730.html - has video NBC News last night reported that the security guard who responded with a AED had heard about the incident via his police scanner. This story also reports that the ambulance took 20 minutes to reach the scene because the (?bicycle) trail had no milemarkers on it. Nebraska 283 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 10:39am Subject: 800 mhz radio contractors drooling?? worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Campbell County officials have taken the first steps in a process they hope will solve their emergency radio problems. Called a "request for proposal," that step seeks outside consultants to address shortcomings in the county's conventional VHF system purchased five years ago. The system came under fire recently from volunteers who said there are too many "dead spots" where communication is poor. http://www.newsadvance.com/MGBIC24FAPC.html Anyone want to bet they'll suggest 800 mhz instead of multiple repeaters on VHF?? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 284 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 6:19pm Subject: scanner hero worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Man Tries to Rob Store at Fingerpoint July 12, 2001, 09:15 AM By AP Staff A man who walked into a Eugene adult entertainment store demanding money while pointing his finger like a gun got only a laugh and an arrest. An employee of Kiss 'N' Tell phoned police shortly before 1 a.m. Wednesday after a man walked into the shop with his finger pointed like a gun from under his shirt, police spokeswoman Pam Alejandre said. The employee told police he laughed at the man, who ran out the door. But police were called and a few minutes later, someone monitoring a police scanner called officers to report seeing a man fitting the robber's description. Patrick Michael Halberg, 18, was charged with robbery. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 285 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 11:42am Subject: THE SWITCH TO DIGITAL--ONE COUPLE'S STORY worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Rena Litchfield feels a kinship with the dispatchers and police officers who keep watch over her South Richmond community. After 25 years of listening to the staticky, clipped talk on a radio scanner, Litchfield feels part of the conversation. http://www.timesdispatch.com/vametro/MGB6UGQNEPC.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 286 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 7:57pm Subject: Fw: <800band> THE SWITCH TO DIGITAL--ONE COUPLE'S STORY ham148@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 08:42 Subject: <800band> THE SWITCH TO DIGITAL--ONE COUPLE'S STORY > Rena Litchfield feels a kinship with the dispatchers and police officers who > keep watch over her South Richmond community. > After 25 years of listening to the staticky, clipped talk on a radio scanner, > Litchfield feels part of the conversation. > http://www.timesdispatch.com/vametro/MGB6UGQNEPC.html > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: 800band@onelist.com > Subscribe: 800band-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: 800band-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: 800band-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/800band > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > 287 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 7:07am Subject: Public Safety "netcasting," scanning, etc... marnells@... Send Email Send Email Here's a very interesting post from Brian Humphrey of the Los Angeles Fire Department - a very "scanner-friendly" organization - in response to some questions about netcasting their radio calls, scanning, etc. It would seem to be applicable to any public agency. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Los Angeles Fire Department" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 16:08 Subject: [fireradio] Peter's Questions about LAFD Radio --- In fireradio, Peter asked some questions. The following answers are not directed specifically to him, but to the topic at hand. Peter inquired... > ....Why doesnt the Los Angeles City > FD have their audio online yet? Time, money and most importantly - a plethora of other priorities. > Indianapolis and Charlottesville have > been online for ages at their city websites. Nice cities with some great Firefighters. > In addition - New York City, Providence, and Boston FD radio audio has > been available via the Net via private websites for ? 3 years now. > Cleveland FD, Phoenix FD, and Springfield MA FD has fire radio traffic > available via the local newspaper websites. Hmmm. Therefore? > And of course there are many > other FD radio feeds on the Internet (plus many police radio feeds). You are correct. We are however, a proud and unique agency that establishes and acts on its own priorities. The LAFD never has been and __never will be__ about keeping up with the Jones'. If something makes sense, is in keeping with our mission and objectives and can be accomplished within personnel and budgetary constraints, it likely will be done at some time in the future. Such is the case with multimedia methods of monitoring the LAFD. There are however, a multitude of priorities. Yes, internet streaming audio is on our list, but nowhere near the top - NOR SHOULD IT BE at this time! For example... I *could* have stayed home and worked on streaming media this weekend (something I must add, that has only recently become possible with our brand new webservers). I chose instead to work overtime. Think what you may, but I was working so as to be able to donate funds in support of our very own widows and orphans. Next weekend it will be a carwash for the same charity. For me it isn't a tough call. The thought of those young fatherless children and their many needs really helps to put things in perspective. It may help to know that though official, the LAFD website (but not the much more elaborate and sophisticated LAFD intranet that our members use) are the VOLUNTEER and *non-funded* efforts of myself and one other person. I perform webwork in my spare time. Take a look at the source code on our Home Page. Yes, time and money are a factor. > Brian - I have a specific question for you if you would like to respond. I'll try! > IIRC the LAFD website says something like "we cannot allow others to put > our radio online because they might doctor or alter it". Close. The verbatim can be found at: http://www.lafd.org/audio.htm I would encourage anyone with a concern to first read the FAQ information there. Please, read it. > ... I dont understand > the concern. The concerns are multi-faceted. First and foremost let me share where we stand. The LAFD firmly supports the ability of our stakeholders (i.e. resident/taxpayer/visitor/member) to formally monitor the actual endeavors of their Fire Department. I think it important to note that I do NOT consider monitoring and listening to radio scanners to be synonymous. Listening to a scanner radio or internet audio feed is but a tiny subset (and maybe the least important aspect?) of truly monitoring the endeavors of a public service agency. With changes in technology, this point will become increasingly obvious. Historically our support of stakeholders has taken place in many forms, including personal and official visits to Fire Stations and LAFD Headquarters, the chance to interview or question any Officer or member with a personal concern, reviewing LAFD plans, documents and archival material, presence near the scenes of Fire Department emergencies and at this time (germane to this forum), listening to *their* Fire Department via hardware they elect to purchase. This also means they can contact our Public Service Officers to obtain official information or coordinate a visit - yes, even a visit to our Dispatch Center as my guest for lunch and a chance to dispatch a few calls on their own. Several people who participate in this forum have done just that, and it has been my pleasure to meet them. I am aware of seven sites that are currently streaming our audio. Some of them are run by nice people. Many of them cause me concern... The repugnant addition of advertising on many streaming audio services (the LAFD does not endorse any commercial entity), the questionable source, marginal quality and absolute lack of security - combined with our legal impression that unauthorized RE-broadcast of our audio is unlawful are but a few of the issues I feel are clearly outlined at: http://www.lafd.org/audio.htm The fact that the FBI and military have had their websites hacked is ample proof that there can be some harm from data corruption. Audio corruption is no diferent. War of the Worlds is a fitting analogy. http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/wotw.html > serve as a "emergency alert > system" of sorts: etc. That is THE VERY REASON we *abhor* any non-official, amateur or commercial __rebroadcast__ of our audio. The potential for great public harm is certainly present when the message is not clear, concise and through officially sanctioned channels. > I would think that a fire radio feed would : be a great help in keeping > the public aware of the work load level of the FD; showcase the > tactical successes and failures of the FD, provide potential recruits > with a vicarious taste of fire service life; While I won't disagree with any of those assertions, I will insist that listening to our - or any agency - is a frightfully poor way to seek complete understanding. It can be interesting for some, amusing for others - but offers a profoundly monocular view to the person who has no other knowledge. Only when combined with other contacts, access and understanding, it *can* be genuinely beneficial to our stakeholders. If we are going to remain succeessful as a Fire Department, we have to establish priorities and maintain a razor sharp focus. Informing and interacting with LOCAL residents, taxpayers, visitors and LAFD members remains Job 1 - and a work in progress. LAFD audio can at this time be monitored by any stakeholder via an easily obtained monitor radio. Far beyond that, we believe strongly that the best way for anyone to understand the LAFD is for them to establish personal contact with our members. That is the foundation upon which all else is built. Now some of you may have gotten this far and come to the opinion that we are anti-scanner radio, hate streaming media and could care less what you think. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am but one of many LAFD members who strive to support monitoring hobbyists and others in our region via official means. Were that not the case, my office would not be full of radio scanners year-round, and piled to the ceiling in December. Are they mine you ask? No, they belong to the many stakeholders who cannot program their own radios or are giving a scanner radio as a holiday gift. I routinely stay up late nights programming these devices, and believe it or not - I also make housecalls for those who simply cannot or will not get their radios to me. I also fax or mail our radio frequency list (and other information) at least a dozen times a week to the *many* stakeholders who have an interest in our agency, but no internet access. > One other thing Brian - you might want to indicate if you are answering > in an official capacity or not. It makes absolutely no difference to me. I'm on duty at the moment, so its official. > I am thrilled that you are on the list and chatting with us. I just > don't want you to cause any trouble for yourself. Not to worry, it'd be a cold day in California before I'll get in trouble chatting with monitoring hobbysists. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 288 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 0:48am Subject: Fw: Pottawatomie County Kansas KS marnells@... Send Email Send Email Forwarded message. The long article is about an apparently horrible radio system. The part pertinent to this list is the last four paragraphs, esp second from last. harry http://www.qsl.net/n6uru <~ New website location ----- Original Message ----- From: "pS" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 06:04 Subject: Pottawatomie County Kansas KS www.ksffa.com/aging_communications_system_a_to.htm This is apparently the Kansas State Firefighters Association website - they might have lots of news articles on their website. Note the comment about good scannerheads from the Sgt! ------------------------- Aging communications system a topic of discussion Monday Westmoreland Recorder - February 2, 2001 An aging communications system put together as a temporary measure some 14 years ago and the need to upgrade and improve it was a topic of discussion at the Monday, Jan. 29 meeting of the Pottawatomie County Commission. A communications committee, made up of representatives from law enforcement agencies, fire departments, emergency management and the county's ambulance service met with the commission to report on its findings and to make a recommendation regarding how to address a matter of growing concern. Scott Fischer of K-Comm Inc. explained how the current system was put together in the late 1980s to page emergency medical services (EMS). At the time, fire departments were dispatched by the fire-phone system, where dialing a phone number would ring the telephones at the homes, workplaces and fire stations of the volunteer fire fighters. Later, the area fire departments were added to the paging system and pagers were distributed to the fire fighters. Fischer said, the system was originally intended for paging only, but is now used for all communications, including the sheriff's department, which is why the system is heavily taxed. Fisher said the original system was fine for what it was designed and intended to do, but the county has outgrown the system. Much of the existing system was constructed using old radios from ambulances when new radios were installed. A repeater card was added to the old radio and these were set up at various locations to relay radio signals. Fischer said, Pottawatomie County has outgrown the old system and it was apparent, all of those on the communications committee agreed. Dave Lamberson, director of communications for the Pottawatomie County Sheriff's Department's Dispatch Center, played a tape of radio traffic and telephone conversations from the dispatch center during what Lamberson described as, "A day from heck," April 4, 2000. A string of incidents began with a 911 call reporting an accident involving a collision between a concrete truck and a pickup at the intersection of U.S. Highway 24 and Flush Road. At first the accident was reported as a non-injury accident, but later the status changed and an injury was involved. At the time of the call one of the county's ambulances was in route back to the county from delivering a patient to Stormont Vail Hospital in Topeka. While dispatching emergency personnel to the first accident the dispatch center learned of another major accident on Highway K-99 at I-70. Wabaunsee County authorities requested an ambulance to respond from Pottawatomie County. The tape included a telephone conversation between Lamberson and a Kansas Highway Patrol (KHP) dispatcher, as Lamberson attempted to get a KHP trooper to respond to the scene of the U.S. 24/Flush Road accident. The telephone conversation was punctuated by "elevator music" while Lamberson was placed on hold while the KHP dispatcher in Salina attempted to transfer his call to Topeka, where he would learn all of the KHP troopers were tied up at the K-99/I-70 accident. Then the dispatch center received a call reporting a major accident on U.S. Highway 24 at the Vermillion Bridge east of Wamego. This accident would later be determined to involve a fatality. Next, a serious accident was reported in Wamego requiring the response of more emergency personnel. Meanwhile, the KHP troopers at the K-99 / I-70 accident were diverting traffic north on K-99 into the accident scenes in Pottawatomie County. Lamberson explained, while a large number of units, including sheriff's deputies, ambulance personnel, first responders, fire personnel and rescue personnel, were responding to the various accidents, the dispatch center is able to hear radio traffic from only one unit at a time. In fact, any radio traffic from any one of the units responding to an earlier accident effectively blocked the page tones sent out to summon personnel to the later accidents. If several units tried to talk at once, the dispatcher hears nothing. Lamberson said the entire scenario he had labeled, "A Day from Heck," lasted approximately four hours from the time of the first 911 call until there was a return to some semblance of normalcy. Lamberson explained, "It is impossible to tell if a unit is trying to call when another unit is talking. There are just too many agencies on one frequency. We need the other systems in place to effectively cover the county," Lamberson said. Lamberson also reported on an incident during the previous week, on Thursday, Jan. 25, when an emergency generator at the county's main communications tower and repeater failed during a power outage. "We had no radio capability for about an hour," Lamberson said, "This is not acceptable to any emergency agency. It's a scary feeling." Lamberson also invited the commission to come into the dispatch center in the spring during the burn season to see how bad the situation is. He cited another example of when he has grave concerns. "All the different agencies get involved during the heavy storm seasons. When the storm spotters are out, all the spotters are on the frequency used to activated the storm warning sirens, so, if anyone is talking on the radio the page will not go out to activate the storm warning sirens." Sgt. Paul Schliffke of the Pottawatomie County Sheriff's Department also addressed the commission. Schliffke said, "It is routine several times a week for one of my officers to need the frequency when it is being used by EMS. Law enforcement and EMS are the biggest competitors for air time, then during the fire season, fire departments are added into the mix. Schliffke handed the commission copies of a proposal to address the issues brought fourth by the committee. The proposal would keep the current system of repeaters in place for paging and for the fire departments. The proposal carries a price tag totaling $188,752 and would involve the purchase of new radios for the sheriff's department and equipping the sheriff's units with mobile repeaters. Two additional tower repeaters, two control stations and three communications boards which would accommodate encryption of radio traffic, when necessary. Schliffke said the encryption would be used only when a situation involved officer safety or the privacy of citizens. "We get a lot of help from people who listen to their scanners. We do not want to eliminate that." Following the presentation the commission indicated it would address the proposal when it begins working on the 2002 budget. 289 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 7:15am Subject: Please note my new email address marnells@... Send Email Send Email I apologize if you get multiple copies of this...or if you have no idea who I am. You may already have my new address, but as my old marnells@... address MAY close Tuesday morning I'm sending this out to everyone in my address book. At any rate, my new email address is marnells@... Most or all of my web pages will now be linked to either http://www.qsl.net/n6uru/ or http://members.home.com/marnells/ My former website at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/index.html may or may not continue, depending on whether I can make arrangements with the great folks at Snowcrest. Thanks for your time. Harry Marnell Ferndale, CA Trains, Scanning, LAPD Communications, Yosemite, and other odd interests [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 290 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 7:19am Subject: Please note my new email address marnells@... Send Email Send Email I apologize if you get multiple copies of this...or if you have no idea who I am. You may already have my new address, but as my old marnells@... address MAY close Tuesday morning I'm sending this out to everyone in my address book. At any rate, my new email address is marnells@... Most or all of my web pages will now be linked to either http://www.qsl.net/n6uru/ or http://members.home.com/marnells/ My former website at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/index.html may or may not continue, depending on whether I can make arrangements with the great folks at Snowcrest. Thanks for your time. Harry Marnell Ferndale, CA Trains, Scanning, LAPD Communications, Yosemite, and other odd interests [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 291 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 7:42pm Subject: New LAPD DIGITAL Radios Get Negative Reviews worksntv@... Send Email Send Email -------------------- New LAPD Radios Get Negative Reviews -------------------- Communication: Some say poor sound poses a safety risk. The city may withhold payment from the maker, which says police just need to get used to the devices. By KURT STREETER TIMES STAFF WRITER July 31 2001 Los Angeles police officers using a new, $21-million radio system cannot communicate with one another at times, raising safety concerns and questions about the equipment's reliability, department and union officials said Monday. The new equipment, which has been in all squad cars since June, has resulted in technological glitches and confusion among officers who need more training, said Cmdr. Sharon Papa, a Los Angeles Police Department spokeswoman. "We're trying to understand what is going on in the field and make the best decisions on how to fix it," she said. Officials said some officers have complained that they cannot hear anything at times or can barely understand what is being said by someone in another squad car. In addition, communication has been poor between department helicopters and patrol cars, they said. After hearing widespread complaints from officers who are worried that a tragedy will occur because of poor communication, the Police Protective League sent a letter to Chief Bernard C. Parks on Friday, demanding a quick remedy. "This is about the safety of officers on the street," said Ted Hunt, a member of the union's Board of Directors. "They need to figure this one out as quick as possible." City Controller Laura Chick said she is considering withholding payment from Motorola, the company that supplied the equipment, until she is satisfied with the product. "There are some serious problems with the system," said Chick, noting that an $18,000 payment is due soon. "If I am not satisfied Motorola is working to fix them, we are not going to pay. I need to be sure we are getting what we pay for." Motorola spokeswoman Adrienne Dimopoulos said the company is confident its equipment is working properly. "It will take some time for officers to get comfortable with the system," she said. The LAPD finished installing digital radios in its roughly 5,000 squad cars in June as part of a continuing push to upgrade its communications system. Other departments throughout the nation have also experienced problems as they upgraded their communications systems. In Orange County, a grand jury announced in May that transmission failures involving a new, $80-million police radio system pose a threat to public safety and will cost millions of dollars to fix. The LAPD's digital radios are supposed to offer the best technology available, providing clearer, more reliable communication than the older analog system. But Raquelle de la Rocha, president of the Los Angeles Police Commission, said she was shocked by the poor quality of the department's air-to-ground communication during a recent ride-along. "I was up there for 3 1/2 hours, and the whole time the helicopter could hardly communicate with the ground," said De la Rocha, who pressed department officials on the issue at a recent commission meeting. The commissioner said helicopter pilots have watched fellow officers driving directly into the path of armed suspects but have been helpless to tell them to change direction. She said the helicopter problems are particularly troubling because Motorola does not manufacture a digital radio system for helicopters. "They are having to jury-rig radios to make do," she said. "For a multimillion-dollar investment, that's not adequate." Papa said she was not sure whether the department was aware when it contracted with Motorola that the company does not make digital radios for helicopters. She said the department is awaiting a shipment from another company that provides digital radios capable of working in helicopters. LAPD Chief Information Officer Roger Ham, who is responsible for overseeing the system, said he expects all the problems to be resolved within three months. "Our goal is to train the officers properly," Ham said. "We have to get officers used to using this type of equipment. Copyright 2001, Los Angeles Times : 7bit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 292 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 0:02pm Subject: portland area police scanner worksntv@... Send Email Send Email http://www.oregonlive.com/policescanner/ 293 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 0:44pm Subject: 154.145 worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I am trying to ID a police channel which I believe is not in Pa. 154.145 pl 156.7----lots of police traffic and a reference to Virginia Beach. The signal varies---and is always around--I suspect it's a repeater on a BIG hill--- I am in Wilkes Barre, Pa 294 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 6:14pm Subject: Fwd: [4phun] Glitches knock out emergency communications worksntv@... Send Email Send Email [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 295 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 10:35am Subject: AGAIN..MORE 800 MHZ PROBLEMS worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Since July 15, Bloomington officers have filed more than 70 radio problem complaints. Sanders thinks that is related to his request that officers be more diligent in filling out problem sheets. Complaints are forwarded to the McLean County 911 Communications Center and E.F. Johnson Radio Systems, the Minnesota-based firm that designed and installed the system http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/081001/new_0810010024.shtml Bob WB3DYE 296 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 6:53pm Subject: LOOKING FOR JAMAICA INFO worksntv@... Send Email Send Email I will be vacationing in Jamaica soon in the Montego Bay area----Anyone have any freq info for me?? police/fire/resort security? I will be staying at one of the Super Clubs--with scanner at the ready!! 297 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 0:49pm Subject: SOMEONE FIGHTING BACK ON 800 MHZ worksntv@... Send Email Send Email in Fauquier County Va, where officials have approved negotiations with Motorola to construct a $12 million 800 MHz trunked radio system, while citizen experts continue to oppose the system using a variety of well-expressed arguments. The county now uses a low-band VHF-band system for public safety, and the opponents say that it could be upgraded and tweaked to a 150 MHz band system that would provide any necessary improvements. The sheriff, on the other hand, says that a single VHF channel isnt' sufficient, and that he needs at least 6 channels. Check the latest news at: http://www.fauquiernews.com/081001issue.htm 298 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 8:25pm Subject: Re: bad ham worksntv@... Send Email Send Email To all those concerned: The following is self explanatory-- 73' Bob Reynolds WB3DYE Subj: Re: bad ham Date: 08/21/2001 4:45:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: w8eh@... (Ernie Howard) To: WORKSNTV@... Here is a copy of a message I sent out last week. Gives some of the facts from the case and the links to the Middletown Journal article and the Cincinnati Enquirer article. Several hams in the local area were involved in the effort to catch the offender. Not just one like the papers say.... 73 Ernie w8eh@... -------------- Regarding WT2FBI and his alleged operation on 155.73, Middletown Police radio channel...... As you all may know, he was arrested by Middletown Police, suspected of being the jammer who played on their main police channel. His arrest was tuesday August 7, charged with disrupting public services. There were articles in these papers: http://www.middletown.com/mj/283190320414331.bsp http://enquirer.com/editions/2001/08/09/loc_tristate_a_m_report.html ......Here is an update, not out in the papers yet...... His official preliminary hearing before the judge was today. The city presented their evidence to the court. One of their police officers (Wendell-KC8PRW) testified as an expert witness as to how the radio interference to the police radio could have happened. In the end, the municipal judge bound over Kenneth Kelly, WT2FBI, to the Butler Grand Jury for possible indictment. He was represented by a lawyer. He is still being held in the Middletown Jail on $25,000 bond. That's all we know right now. WORKSNTV@... wrote: > > Dear Ernie: > > I spotted the ARRL posting on the ham who was driving the police crazy--Can > you provide me with a link from your local newspapers about the ham > communities efforts to get this guy off the air??? > > 73' > > Robert Reynolds > > WB3DYE -- ------------------------------------------------------ Ernie Howard, Jr W8EH Middletown, Ohio E-mail: w8eh@... Where's my van? - http://map.findu.com/w8eh-8 How's the weather at W8EH? - http://wx.findu.com/w8eh Web Page: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~w8eh ------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 299 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 8:50pm Subject: Fwd: [4phun] Denver Post.com - Old police scanners to fall silent.htm worksntv@... Send Email Send Email [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 300 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 1:50pm Subject: new lycoming co freq worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Anyone who scans Lycoming co Pa be alert for a new freq. 154.800 I heard the 911 center calling security at the airport and referred to the channel as "county wide" FYI Bob WB3DYE 301 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 5:54pm Subject: Fw: Scannerists Can Score Points marnells@... Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter szerlag" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:52 Subject: Scannerists Can Score Points > There may be an opportunity here for scannerists to score some points. Have > you noticed any strange traffic in the aviation bands lately? Your local FAA > office may be interested in hearing from you if you have. Peter S > > ------------------------------- > > from scan-dc@... > > > INTERFERENCE IMPACTING AERONAUTICAL AIR TRAFFIC FREQUENCIES CAUSE BY ILLEGAL > HIGH POWER CORDLESS TELEPHONES. > > ATTENTION INTERNATIONAL OPERATORS: THE MIAMI AIR ROUTE TRAFFIC CONTROL > CENTER (ZMA ARTCC) HAS EXPERIENCED RADIO FREQUENCY INTERFERENCE (RFI) ON > FREQUENCIES 134.2, 134.6 MHZ RESULTING > FROM THE UNAUTHORIZED USE OF HIGH POWER CORDLESS TELEPHONES IN THE BAHAMAS > AND ON FREQUENCY 133.85 MHZ FROM THE USE OF HIGH POWER CORDLESS TELEPHONES > IN MIAMI. THE CLEVELAND AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL CENTER ARTCC (ZOB) OPERATIONS > WERE ALSO IMPACTED DUE TO RFI ON FREQUENCY 134.65 MHZ, FROM THE UNAUTHORIZED > USE OF HIGH POWER CORDLESS TELEPHONE LOCATED IN HARRISON, MICHIGAN. > > HIGH POWER CORDLESS TELEPHONES ARE BEING USED ILLEGALLY IN THE U.S. AND THE > BAHAMAS. THESE PHONES CAN INTERFERE WITH THE FREQUENCIES USED FOR AIR > TRAFFIC CONTROL WORLDWIDE AND CAN POSE PROBLEMS TO ATC NAVIGATION AND > COMMUNICATIONs. > THE FAA IS WORKING WITH OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES WITHIN THE UNITED STATES > AND OTHER COUNTRIES TO CURTAIL ILLEGAL USE OF THESE PHONES AND IS > APPROACHING VENDORS TO CEASE DISTRIBUTION AND PRODUCTION OF UNITS THAT > OPERATE IN OR CAUSE INTERFERENCE TO CRITICAL AERONAUTICAL RADIO SPECTRUM. > > USERS OPERATING ON THESE FREQUENCIES SHOULD BE AWARE THAT NAVIGATION AND > COMMUNICATION COULD BE SEVERELY IMPACTED DUE TO RFI OF THESE HIGH POWER > CORDLESS TELEPHONES. USERS OF AERONAUTICAL RADIO NAVIGATION AND > COMMUNICATION SERVICES WHO EXPERIENCE THIS TYPE OF INTERFERENCE SHOULD > REPORT ANY EVENT IMMEDIATELY TO THE AIR TRAFFIC FACILITY PROVIDING AIR > TRAFFIC SERVICES. IF THIS IMMEDIATE REPORT IS UNACHIEVABLE, THE USERS SHOULD > MAKE A REPORT TO THE NEAREST AIR TRAFFIC FACILITY AT THE EARLIEST TIME > POSSIBLE AFTER THE RFI EVENT. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > -- > FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! > Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... > 302 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 10:42am Subject: Fwd: Scannerists Can Score Points worksntv@... Send Email Send Email [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 303 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 1:53pm Subject: 800mhz fails again! worksntv@... Send Email Send Email It will be VERY interesting to see what happens when Pa's 800 MHz digital system goes online. The project manager has said the problem with 800 MHz comms in building wont be a problem---because the State Police cars will have repeaters onboard-- But remember if the 800 MHz signal inside doesn't penetrate through a buildings walls---all the vehicle repeaters on the planet won't make a difference! Bob The D.C. fire department's $5.3 million emergency radio system cannot properly broadcast to firefighters in more than four dozen locations, including major landmarks like the D.C. police and FBI headquarters, Union Station, MCI Center and the State Department, documents obtained by The Washington Times show. Firefighters' personal, portable radios also have trouble communicating with each other and reaching the communications center in these locations, fire department records show. http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20010829-76554418.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 304 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 0:06pm Subject: SCANNER SAVES THE DAY worksntv@... Send Email Send Email This was a textbook case for interoperability: Didn't we do a good job? Aren't we smart? Well, the answers are “yes” to the former question and “not exactly” to the latter because the plot thickens. It turns out that the motivated Leawood copper didn't hear the pickup information on his dispatch radio. He heard our city put the call out directly on his scanner. Yes, the lowly scanner, the bane of Radioman's repair existence and the scourge of communications technology, came to the rescue of mighty interoperability. http://industryclick.com/Magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=3& magazinearticleid=115227&releaseid=6896&siteid=3 305 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 9:03pm Subject: Fwd: [4phun] Central Illinois Normal - switches to old radios after problems worksntv@... Send Email Send Email [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 306 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 5:12pm Subject: ARE U A SCANNER HEAD? worksntv@... Send Email Send Email Subj: ScannerHead Date: 9/6/01 21:34:58 Eastern Daylight Time From: TH OCT To: WORKS N TV You Might Be a ScannerHead if...... ...there's a car accident outside your house, and instead of rushing outside to offer assistance, you rush into the radio room to hear it being dispatched on the scanner. ...you know what fire station is being dispatched by listening to the pager tones. ...you start reading plates by the police phonetics. ...you quickly translate a vanity plate read in phonetics. ...you have a 'favorite' dispatcher. ...you curse the newspaper for not printing anything about what you heard last night. ...you know at least 15 vehicle/penal code sections. ...you yell at TV shows that use scanners in place of 2-way radios. (hello 'Starskey & Hutch'?) ...you promise to sell your old scanner when you upgrade, do you find a convenient use for it SOMEWHERE? ...you can rattle off at least 10 local PD/Fire freqs by memory. ...you put off everything on Saturday night to see "COPS". ...you have twin spotlights on your car. ...you know exactly when you are leaving one 'beat' and entering another. ...you ever forgot to answer your telephone because you thought it's the scanner picking up on another phone call. ...you answer the scanner when the officer/fire/medic crew asks for the numerics on their call. ...you run out of room on your belt to carry your handhelds at the hamfest. ...you frequently chat with the little old ladies at the beauty shop to try to confirm gossip you hear from people's cordless phones. ...you've got more antennas on your car than the Command Post Van. ...Officers ask you to program their new trunk tracker. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 307 From: efhoppe@... Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 10:08pm Subject: Re: ARE U A SCANNER HEAD? efhoppe@... Send Email Send Email > You Might Be a ScannerHead if...... > > ...there's a car accident outside your house, and instead of rushing > outside to offer assistance, you rush into the radio room to hear it > being dispatched on the scanner. No I usually grab the scanner first, then run outside. > ...you start reading plates by the police phonetics. Yes > ...you quickly translate a vanity plate read in phonetics. Not quite > ...you have a 'favorite' dispatcher. Yes, an excellent female CHP dispatcher with a really pretty voice. She even called me one time when I was dispatching for a fire dept. and wanted to know how I knew her name when I called her Carol. > ...you curse the newspaper for not printing anything about what you > heard last night. I do that with the TV stations. > ...you know at least 15 vehicle/penal code sections. Yes and I even have an old copy of the book too. (211, 459 11550, 5150, etc.) > ...you promise to sell your old scanner when you upgrade, do you > find a convenient use for it SOMEWHERE? Yes, as paperweights since I rarely upgrade unless the old one falls apart. > ...you can rattle off at least 10 local PD/Fire freqs by memory. I do that all the time with neighbors who need freqs and carry a copy of a master list of local freqs in my back pocket which I sometimes give away and have to go print out another copy. > ...you put off everything on Saturday night to see "COPS". Love it. >You run out of room on your belt to carry your handhelds at the hamfest. I would if I carried them all but I only carry my trunk-tracker, my 2m rig and my CD player. (plus my utility pouch and my stun gun.) > ...you've got more antennas on your car than the Command Post Van. Not quite. Earl Stockton, CA USA KE6CIM ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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This is an Automatic remove system and you will never receive mail from our server again. We update daily M-F. We use mail opt-in list provided by Internet Marketing Services. Our list come from E-maz-contest- and other resources- If our mailing found you and offended you in any way please except our apologies. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com 310 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 10:57am Subject: Fwd: FW: Re: [MilCom] CAP traffic in the Media worksntv@... Send Email Send Email [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 311 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Oct 13, 2001 8:05am Subject: New Jersey Online Star-Ledger News ham148@... Send Email Send Email Train Dispatcher got first word of WTC incident from his "police scanner" http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/page1/ledger/1470998.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 312 From: "David Pinero" Date: Sat Oct 13, 2001 5:00pm Subject: Scanners Help Defend Against Militant Extremists public@... Send Email Send Email Here's something mentioned in an MSNBC article: http://www.msnbc.com/news/639359.asp It mentions people are buying police scanners as part of anti-threat surplus. Think about how horrible it must be to live in a region where such signals are digitized in the name of public safety. Police scanners won't be any good, and extremist militants will have that much more an advantage. A nightmare mistake on the side of any public safety administrator. Quote follows: SIGNS OF EDGINESS At the U.S. Military Academy, where new identity checks were instituted for the first home football game; In Utah, where organizers are rethinking security for the Winter Olympics; At the 110-story Sears Tower in Chicago, as new concrete barriers have been installed to protect against car bombers. At stores, where retailers reports Americans are stocking up on items such as guns, gas masks, police scanners and short-wave radios. At tourist destinations around the country, leading the nation's $582 billion tourism industry to fight back with advertising campaigns, discounts and appeals to citizens to start traveling again. Outside chemical companies such as DuPont and Dow Chemical Co., where more security officers patrol the grounds, and access is tight. Dave David Pinero Tampa, Fl. AIM/MSN IM Name: Tdave365 http://www.davidpinero.com 313 From: Dan Fuller Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 2:02am Subject: [wildfeeds] CDC Anthrax Broadcast on Thursday bvilledan Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Let me try this again. It's important enough to make another try at it. Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:56:46 GMT-07:00 Show Headers From: "Dish Dish" To: TVRO@yahoogroups.com Cc: wildfeeds@... Subject: [wildfeeds] CDC Anthrax Broadcast on Thursday This is a CDC message sent to healthcare organizations. I have included the satellite coordinates below: =============================== In light of recent events, CDC is broadcasting a live program this Thursday (Oct. 18) titled "Anthrax: What Every Physician Should Know." The program will aim to help clinicians recognize, test, treat and report anthrax cases. Clinicians will be able to pose questions to the panel of experts. CDC is asking for our help to spread the word on this broadcast to the health care community. Please forward the information in this e-mail and the attached flier to grantees, training centers, relevant listservs - anyone who might be interested in this program. TIME: 4:00-5:30 p.m. ET Rebroadcast: Monday, Oct. 22, 5:00-6:30 p.m. ET There are three ways to participate in this program: 1. Via satellite (attached flier has coordinates). Clinicians can contact their state health department's Distance Learning Coordinator and/or local hospital for viewing locations. 2. Via webcast (a link will be provided Thursday at http://www.cdc.gov/phtn 3. Via telephone (Dial 1-888-917-8047; passcode is Dr. Koplan; Leader Name is Jo Ann Bittle) Numbers for Call-In During Program * FAX: 800-553-6323 Int'l: 404-639-0181 * E-mail: phtnlive@... * Technical Assistance Line: 800-728-8232 * Technical Assistance Int'l: 404-639-1289 * TTY: 800-815-8152 Int'l: 404-639-0182 Questions About the Program Call 1-800-41-TRAIN, or e-mail dlc@... Thanks for any help you can provide in getting the word out quickly. =============================== Broadcast Signal Date and Time Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 4:00 PM - 5:30 PM ET Test signal 3:30 PM ET Re-Broadcast Monday October 22, 2001 5:00 PM - 6:30 PM ET Test signal 4:30 PM ET C-Band: Galaxy 4R, 99 West, Channel 21 Downlink Frequency: 4080 Polarization: Horizontal Audio Frequency: 6.2 & 6.8 Ku-Band: Galaxy 4R, 99 West, Channel n/a Downlink Frequency: 12117 Polarization: Horizontal _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com 314 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 0:16pm Subject: Memory Lane==scanners brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Down scanner memory lane http://www.webdeals.net/scanpix.htm Bob WB3DYE 315 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:22am Subject: Communications in 1948 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: [SCMA] LAPD Date: 11/26/2001 6:34:39 PM Eastern Standard Time From: marnells@... (Harry Marnell) Reply-to: SCMA@yahoogroups.com To: KMA367@yahoogroups.com, socalscan@yahoogroups.com, scma@yahoogroups.com, Scangene@... Here's a little something for everyone... you current PSR/RTOs can wonder how they did it, us old farts - well it was before our time even, if you can believe that. I've received 10 pages of 1948 LAPD Training bulletins from a policeman in England, who's a big LAPD fan, whom I've invited to our list. I'll be scanning some pictures, and adding stuff to my website < http://www.qsl.net/n6uru/kma367.htm > as well as posting it here. This part jumped right out at me though. Can you imagine working those boards???: "The following frequency allocations will become effective on or about November 1, 1948. [Dispatched on the metropolitan frequency 1730 kcs, transmitter KGPL at Elysian Park): Frequency 1 - 77th Street, Highland Park, and Hollenbeck Frequency 2 - Wilshire, Newton Frequency 3 - Hollywood, University Frequency 4 - Central Frequency 5 - Traffic Frequency 6 - Ambulances, TSR [traffic signal repair], and Reserve Units [later became Metro, hence Metro's "R" designation] [Dispatched on "outlying" frequency 2366 kcs, transmitters KQJN, KQJO & KQJP, at Van Nuys City Hall, West L.A. police Station, and San Pedro City Hall]: Frequency 7 - W.L.A., Valley, Venice, Harbor "The foregoing frequency arrangement may be readily compared with a telephone party line having 50 or more subscribers. Obviously only one person can talk over a circuit at a time... Generally all cars in those divisions are on the same frequency [and unable to hear each other], therefore, a 77th Street unit "121" should not attempt to transmit while the operator is directing a call to a Highland Park [now Northeast] unit "111" There's lots more if anyone's interested. Harry ================================================= SCMA Web page: http://www.socalscanner.com SCMA Meetings: 2nd Wednesday of each month at 7 PM PDT at: Grinders Restaurant 8521 Sepulveda Boulevard Westchester (corner of Manchester Blvd., near LAX) Radio Net: Tuesdays at 8:30 PM PDT 449.620 MHz.- (PL 100.0 Hz.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 316 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 0:11pm Subject: Vermont-Fire-Ems-Alert@yahoogroups.com brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email On this list there are frequent alerts from a dispatcher who has a screen showing emergency calls all across the State of Vermont. You can go thru the archives and see the basic info that is sent out at all hours of the day and night. Peter S 317 From: "John H. Guetherman" Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 3:59am Subject: 2002 Winter Olympics-Radios Restricted jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In the December issue of "Monitoring Times" magazine, is an article about radio communications in and around Salt Lake City, Utah, the site of the 2002 Winter Olympics, by Jon Van Allen. In it, includes these paragraphs: "It has been suggested that you may not be able to take a scanner into an indoor event (as was the case during the Atlanta Olympics), so you may have to monitor outside or enjoy the event without your scanner. The only way to find out for sure is to ask and hope they let you through. Regulations at outdoor events may depend on how close to the venue you are. There are various stages of security, so you will be able to scan from a distance. What that distance is remains to be seen." (next paragraph) "We were told that NO unauthorized radio gear will be allowed into the venues and FCC volunteers will check out all radios. As mentioned earlier, all authorized radios will have a special sticker with a bar code. So don't bring your ham gear, FRS, MURS or any other transmit-capable radios to the events; they will probably not be allowed past security." Want to try to sneak in a radio? Don't. From a couple of earlier paragraphs: "For the duration of the Olympics (and at least a few weeks prior) portions of the radio spectrum are temporarily set aside for exclusive use by the countries participating in the Olympics. A good-sized chunk of business, goverment and amateur radio frequencies were "commandeered" by the FCC for the duration of the Olympics. There are so many different countries represented, they must have access to the frequency bands their radio and video equipment operate in. This means the US must provide those frequencies and ensure they are not compromised. There is no need for any further hints on where to monitor: every scannable frequency is fair game at the Games!" and... "The FCC has been charged with enforcing the availability of that spectrum, and has installed over a dozen recieving "pods" which can monitor virtually the entire spectrum from DC to daylight. These pods are interconnected and controlled by a central computer system which can pinpoint a signal's position to a few meters' accuracy in less than one second. The FCC has been up front in warning that unauthorized communications anywhere in the radio spectrum will not be tolerated. During the emergency preparedness meetings I attended prior to the Olympics, the FCC convincingly demonstrated their resolve to swat flies with a sledgehammer." John H. Guetherman KB7MIB/KAZ7FA/SSB-83T/KAE7927 (expired) Peoria, AZ. 318 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:25am Subject: torch freq-from another post brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Eric, THANKS for the frequency. They are to be in Central Ohio around January 1st and I was hoping there would be some sort of frequency information before the Torch arrived. Rick "Eric C. Carlson" wrote: > The Olympic torch relay is in Houston today. For anyone who's > interested, I found the Olympic torch motorcade on 464.575 (DCS 565, > simplex). > > -Eric > 319 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:35pm Subject: LUZERNE CO 911 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone know what up with Luzerne county? The mobiles on 155.070 are being simulcast on 155.665 which used to be a chit chat channel for the techs.. Again ONLY the mobiles can be heard NOT the dispatchers. Any ideas??? Regards, Bob 320 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 3:32am Subject: Subject: Season's Greetings! - ditto hamtrak98 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Same from me...I'll get it in now and beat the rush Everybody do a "reply ALL" and we'll take care of this annual onslaught real quick and all delete like crazy tomorrow night... Happy Holidays, and the best in 2001 Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smokey Behr" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 19:17 Subject: Season's Greetings! > Happy Hannukwansolstiyulemas everyone! > > Oh, and Happy Festivus, too! 321 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 1:44pm Subject: "BOLO for Santa" broadcast Xmas Eve on Orange County CA Sheriff's RED Frequency hamtrak98 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the in-progress group. File : /santa-alert.wav Uploaded by : mountain1 Description : BOLO call for Santa broadcast Xmas Eve on Orange County Sheriff's RED Frequency Anyone, including non-subscribers, can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/in-progress/files/santa-alert.wav 322 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Dec 28, 2001 10:34pm Subject: Man Saved From Barre VT House Fire zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://timesargus.nybor.com/Story/39851.html A man with critical injuries was saved from a Barre Vermont house fire by a plow driver and a neighbor. I would bet that the plow driver heard about the incident via a personal scanner in his truck. (Or perhaps the plow trucks share a radio channel with the Barre Fire Department) Peter S 323 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 11:32am Subject: FCC Frequency Applications brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: Pending Date: 12/29/2001 12:29:36 AM Eastern Standard Time From: rafman2@... (Rafman©) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: rafman2@... (Rafman©) To: SCAN-L@... Here is a way to list frequency coordination applications to the FCC on behalf of rail interests. Click on this link & select from the pulldown table of coordinators then click OK: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/uls/filenum.hts this can give a heads up for new frequencies that upon approval would then be listed in the searchable General ULS database: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/index.hts Happy Hunting! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 324 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 1:09pm Subject: ANOTHER 'CLOSED" MINDED SYSTEM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email JOHNSTON COUNTY, N.C. -- Communication is the key during any emergency, especially major incidents like Sept. 11. A lot of those calls for help went out on special police and fire radio frequencies. Some people in the emergency profession want those lines of communications to be private. http://www.wral.com/news/1140119/detail.html 325 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Dec 30, 2001 1:03pm Subject: LUZERNE CO PA WOES brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email the solution is simple--right now Luzerne countys fire/ambulance fireground channel is 159.465--its a repeater on one of the highest mountians in the METRO. The answer is a similar system in the low end of the county on a seperate freq. Bob With crews being dispatched to various points using the same radio frequency, relaying information became difficult at times. Rome said Saturday that when two major incidents occur within the same frequency, personnel are asked to keep nonemergency transmissions to a minimum. The magnitude of both crashes also made it difficult for dispatchers to comprehend if the incident was one major crash or multiple smaller ones. http://web.timesleader.com/content/leader/2001/12/30/news/30PROBS1A.htm 326 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 1, 2002 2:10pm Subject: PA STATEWIDE SYSTEM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email See attached: Does this mean Pa has missed some kind of deadline with the FCC? If what does this mean when it comes to getting the system online?? Bob PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF - OFFICE OF ADM RADIO PROJECT OFF HARRISBURG, PA ctrl pt 1 - NETWORK CONTROL CTR N CIRCLE DR HARRISBURG STATE H HARRISBURG PA 717 10/20/00 Internal Correction Applied 10/20/00 License Converted 04/06/99 Authorization Printed failure to certify annually as to station construction commitments will terminate the authority for the extended implementation period and will require complete system construction within six months of the first missed annual certification date. waiver of rule 90.629 granted 8/25/97. station must be constructed by 12/31/00 in compliance with commission letter dated 3/1/99. 1 - 6 MI ON MOUNT RIANSARES RD FM JCT RT 8008 CASTANEA (CLINTON) PA 866.0625 FB2 75e 866.3125 FB2 75e 867.0125 FB2 75e 867.5125 FB2 75e 868.0125 FB2 75e 868.1625 FB2 75e 868.425 FB2 75e 868.7125 FB2 75e 327 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 1, 2002 2:37pm Subject: XMAS VIA SCANNER LISTENERS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email People listening to the police scanners Christmas day came to the aid of a mother and her son. Something to tuck away the next time somone proposes closing a public safety system.... Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- Tuesday afternoon Winchester Police Officer Clint Shrum was overheard on the scanner saying that "a woman and her 3-year-old son had not eaten in a couple of days, nor do they have any Christmas presents and they need help." http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2855503&BRD=1615&PAG=461& dept_id=387658&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 328 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Jan 1, 2002 10:43pm Subject: Fw: XMAS VIA SCANNER LISTENERS hamtrak98 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:37 Subject: XMAS VIA SCANNER LISTENERS > People listening to the police scanners Christmas day came to the aid of a > mother and her son. > Something to tuck away the next time somone proposes closing a public safety > system.... > Bob > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > --------------------------------------- > > Tuesday afternoon Winchester Police Officer Clint Shrum was overheard on the > scanner saying that "a woman and her 3-year-old son had not eaten in a couple > of days, nor do they have any Christmas presents and they need help." > > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2855503&BRD=1615&PAG=461& > dept_id=387658&rfi=6 > > -- > FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! > Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... > This LISTSERV(tm) facility provided free of charge by the > University of Arkansas > and is subject to termination without notice > > 329 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jan 2, 2002 6:09pm Subject: paper:digital scanners/yes--closed comms no! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email We are not saying we lack trust in our local police departments; they represent, in many cases, the thin line that separates us from those who would do us harm. However, it is important that the activities of those departments be open to public scrutiny so abuses that could stem from an atmosphere of secrecy do not take place. http://www.seacoastonline.com/2001news/12_13_e1.htm 330 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 11:39am Subject: listening to the defenders of freedom brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email After years of listening to conversations just like this on my multiband radio scanner, I’m still drawn to the excitement and intrigue of monitoring military aircraft transmissions. What does it all mean? Who is saying what to whom? Where are these folks flying, is this a practice exercise or is something really going on? Are we safe? It’s a giant jigsaw puzzle in the sky. http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/special-report/rwf-military.shtml 331 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 1:11pm Subject: the 800 mhz battle continues brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email As part of his continuous effort to push the Fauquier Board of Supervisors to an 800 MHz radio system purchase, Board member Larry Weeks sent this email from his County email account to Board Chairman Ray Graham requesting a Board work session: http://www.fauquiernews.com/A%20Special%20Supervisor.htm 332 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 10:59pm Subject: Uniden FINALLY unveils their two digital scanners hamtrak98 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In case you haven't seen the news already, Uniden is set to officially announce their two new digital scanners - a base/mobile and a portable - on Tuesday. Here's a sneak-preview of their press release... http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/uniden-digital.htm Harry Marnell http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm <~~ LAPD Communications History 333 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jan 7, 2002 0:50pm Subject: MORE FROM DISPATCH NEWS HOUND brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Motorola reports it completed a set of "long anticipated" factory acceptance tests on Project 25-compliant radio gear ordered by Mesa and Phoenix (Ariz.). The tests were designed to, "ensure digital, trunked Project 25 compliant radios built by multiple manufacturers will interoperate with each other," the company said. In this case, the Motorola gear worked with EF Johnson radios and IFR test equipment. A Motorola press release said Wulfsberg Electronics and Kenwood expressed "very strong" interest in participating, "but were unable to meet the timeline that Mesa and Phoenix had to work with." The radio system for the two cities will take about two years to fully install, will cover 2,000 square miles, and handle Gilbert, Mesa and Phoenix police departments, and 17 fire agencies. Final radio load: 15,000 mobiles and portables. 334 From: "jhguetherman" Date: Tue Jan 8, 2002 5:27am Subject: Re: MORE FROM DISPATCH NEWS HOUND jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email --- In scan4good@y..., worksntv@a... wrote: > The radio system for the two cities will take about two years to > fully install, will cover 2,000 square miles, and handle Gilbert, > Mesa and Phoenix police departments, and 17 fire agencies. Final > radio load: 15,000 mobiles and portables. According to a Lieutenant friend of mine with the Peoria PD, they will also be joining the system in two years. John H. Guetherman KB7MIB/KAZ7FA/SSB-83T/KAE7927 (expired) Peoria, AZ. 335 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Jan 8, 2002 10:30pm Subject: Price info on Uniden scanners hamtrak98 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Ok gang, the supposed time for Uniden to officially announce their new products is just about now (2:30 pm PT), but NORM SCHREIN "Mr Scanner" has a scoop on the expected prices. The news isn't nearly as bad as some had feared...but is in line with the rumors that have been floating around for quite a while...check out the "Tuesday afternoon Updates" at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/uniden-digital.htm I'm expecting more updates later in the day...check back! Harry 336 From: "jhguetherman" Date: Wed Jan 9, 2002 6:27am Subject: Re: MORE FROM DISPATCH NEWS HOUND jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email --- In scan4good@y..., "jhguetherman" wrote: > --- In scan4good@y..., worksntv@a... wrote: > > The radio system for the two cities will take about two years to > > fully install, will cover 2,000 square miles, and handle Gilbert, > > Mesa and Phoenix police departments, and 17 fire agencies. Final > > radio load: 15,000 mobiles and portables. > > > According to a Lieutenant friend of mine with the Peoria PD, they > will also be joining the system in two years. > > John H. Guetherman > KB7MIB/KAZ7FA/SSB-83T/KAE7927 (expired) > Peoria, AZ. By the way, the Phoenix Fire Department's Regional Fire Alarm Center dispatches for 19 Valley departments. Phoenix, Glendale, Peoria, Sun City, El Mirage, Surprise, Sun City West, Laveen, Tolleson, Avondale, Goodyear, Buckeye Town, Buckeye Valley, Gila Bend (Rescue only), Daisy Mountain (in New River), Tempe, Guadalupe, Chandler, and Sun Lakes. Mesa Fire dispatches for itself, Gilbert, and Apache Junction. (The Indian communities self-dispatch, as does Wittmann VFD, and Black Canyon City. Rural/Metro covers everything else in the metro area.) That would make 22 different departments. The above says 17 will be on the new trunked system. There is a rumor that Laveen FD will be absorbed into Phoenix FD, but that still leaves 21 departments, unless more departments merge with each other. So, the statement above may or may not be accurate, as to exactly who will be joining the system, and final numbers. John H. Guetherman Peoria, AZ. 337 From: marnells@... Date: Thu Jan 10, 2002 8:37pm Subject: Hill Tape Dispute Allowed to Continue (washingtonpost.com) hamtrak98 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Who WRITES these things??? I've heard of "moon-bounce" signals, and "multi-path" bouncing, and signals bouncing off the ionosphere, but this is a BRAND new concept...see paragraph 1. Harry ******************** If you are having trouble with any of the links in this message, or if the URL's are not appearing as links, please follow the instructions at the bottom of this email. 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They did miss a deadline--but it's unclear what that means to the FCC--They are WAY over budget---project was supposed to cost 179 million---last report it's at 225 million and that DOES NOT include the cost of the radios---thats just FOR THE SYSTEM. Also the project was supposed to be online statewide last spring---now it's anyone guess---Because of the problems with the way 800 travels I hope for the troopers sake this works---I was recently told there was a meeting in Harrisburg with the people in charge of the system and the "communications" officers [troopers] from around the state. The troopers who really know they're stuff got into a heated arguement with the state people over choosing 800 mhz---but again---they've spent so much money they can't back out now. Bob 339 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 13, 2002 0:24pm Subject: FR: ANOTHER LIST-BUT INTERESTING brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: [phlscanner] Fwd: Philadelphia 800 system Date: 01/12/2002 8:19:56 PM Eastern Standard Time From: firefoto3@... (firefoto3) Reply-to: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com To: phlscanner@yahoogroups.com --- In PhiladelphiaCitywideRadio@y..., "firefoto3" wrote: All interested, I heard a rumor the other day, so checked it out. Thru a very reliable source, I have learned that Philly is very pissed right now at the Bearcat announcement of the new digital scanner. They are now involved in a big fight and possibly lawsuit with motorola. Seems motorola promised the city no one would be able to monitor city activity with the new system, until that is, Bearcat came out with their announcement. What I hear now is....The City wants motorola to pay for upgrading the system to a "FULLY ENCRYPTED" system, so that no one can hear the every day traffic of fire or p/d activity. I did check this out thru a very reliable source who knows what is going on with the system, and it has been confirmed, Philly wants to fuly encrypt the new 800 system to keep us all out. I guess this will be the beginning of some fireworks between the City, Motorola, and the Media. This can't be tolerated, and is rediculous beyond belief. Brian/PCW-5 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 340 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 13, 2002 1:32pm Subject: MORE PHILLY INFO brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In a message dated 01/13/2002 1:08:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, tvsjr@... writes: This should serve as a call to action. What happens in Philadelphia will set the tone for systems around the country. Those who live in the area and are directly affected, as well as those who don't, should write letters to anyone they can think of in local/state/federal government. If we can end this desire for secrecy/encryption here, it will make it easier to fight the next battle, when the next government organization tries to take a system fully encrypted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- Here's where u can find The mayor/city council's phone numbers!! http://www.phila.gov/ 341 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jan 14, 2002 1:38pm Subject: more 800mhz headaches forcasted brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Philadelphia police are bracing for interference headaches as they phase in an 800-MHz communications system, scheduled to be fully online in the fall, said police Deputy Commissioner Charles Brennan. http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2002/01/13/front_page/INTERFERE13.htm 342 From: marnells@... Date: Wed Jan 16, 2002 6:38am Subject: New Providence "Police" Network hamtrak98 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Anybody have details on how this thing is supposed to work? A city freq or?? ******************** If you are having trouble with any of the links in this message, or if the URL's are not appearing as links, please follow the instructions at the bottom of this email. 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Now, if we could only get that type of reception out of an 800 MHz system! -------------------------- The Hound has heard of sole-source deals, but get this...Motorola has signed the State of Vatican City for a TETRA-based radio system for general, security and public safety communications. According to a press release, Motorola was chosen because of, "its long tradition of collaboration and its recognized experience as a supplier of advanced communications solutions to police forces worldwide." ------------------------- Now this is a coincidence...Motorola also signed a $9.2 million contract with the village of Schaumburg (Ill.) for a completely new, 10,000 square-foot comm center, including radio system, computers, consoles, etc. It will replace the current 12 year-old center that officials say is obsolete. Ah, Schaumburg is home to Motorola's world-wide headquarters. Vactican...Schaumburg? What's next? -------------------------- We should all be this lucky...or maybe not. The Utah Agency Communications Network (UCAN) invested about $40 million itself in building a state-wide radio network, consisting of a 43-site backbone and some 9,100 radios on 800 MHz. Then along came the Olympics, and the Department of Defense gave the agency another $8 million to flesh out the radio system with another 6,808 radios, and 170 repeaters at 20 more sites--that's about a 50% increase in size. And, what's even better, they get to keep all the gear when the Olympics blow out of town. -------------------------- Fort Wayne and Allen County (Ind.) have formally accepted a $13.3 million Motorola 800 MHz trunked radio system that links public safety agencies in the city and county, the state police, FBI, ATF and DEA. It's an ASTRO SmartZone, mixed analog-digital system that includes two simulcast sites and 18 channels for voice communications, and some 2,000 radios (XTS 3000, MTS 2000, MCS 2000). The system also includes a 13-position Centracom Gold Series Elite console. ------------------------- Perhaps...and we mean perhaps, Fauquier County (Virg.) supervisors will end the debate and speculation this Tuesday during their regular meeting. They're expected to approve (or not) a multi-million dollar contract with Motorola for an 800 MHz trunked radio system. At that point, the contract will become public--but 800 pages of supporting documents will stay in the county's procurement office for in-person inspection only. The Hound expects the contract approval to increase debate on the plan, as critics get ahold of definitive information from the bid documents. 344 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 1:34pm Subject: digital scanner report brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email When police departments switch to digital radios, scanner buffs will be left in the dark. But the blackout may be temporary, as digital-capable scanners are almost ready to hit the market. Most New Hampshire police departments still use analog radios, which hobbyists, the media and others can monitor with scanners. Agencies that have switched to digital, such as the New Hampshire State Police, cannot be heard. http://www.fosters.com/news2002a/jan02/21/do0121d.htm 345 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:55am Subject: NEW SCANNER brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here's the deal: I have a Uniden 3000xlt handheld at work and have the opportunity for the company to buy me a new unit. Looking for something handheld with pl/DPL capabilty, triple conversion and at least 300 channels. Any suggestions??? Bob 346 From: ProzacKillerX3@... Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:29pm Subject: Re: NEW SCANNER krayzier5150 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Check the Uniden Online Store (do a Google search). I had good luck there. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 347 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 10:55am Subject: FR:DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- On Tuesday night the Fauquier County (Virg.) supervisors voted 4-1 to accept the long-debated, $7.2 million contract with Motorola for a 800 MHz trunked radio system. With the approval comes release of a 78-page contract, which we are reviewing for inclusion in the next printed edition. -------------------------- Ouch! Nextel's plan to reorcganize the 800 MHz band and create contiguous allocations for public safety and commercial users is receiving some pretty heavy criticism from the commercial radio associations. One group called the plan an "unmitigated disaster," while another has scheduled two seminars to discuss the plan among its members. The big criticism: it will cost hundreds of millions to re-program radios, none of which would be reimbursed by Nextel. Check our complete coverage at: http://www.911Dispatch.com/information/nextel/ -------------------------- Be a pal to your police chief or sheriff--sort of off-handedly let him/her know that Attorney General John Ashcroft is now allowing them to apply for a national security clearance so they can be "in the loop" when a terrorist incident occurs. Right now, even if you're the mayor of New York City, the feds can't tell you certain information that's classified. No...there's no down-loadable application form. -------------------------- The Hound has read lots of interesting material on the Motorola vs. Ericsson/Tyco radio wars. However, one of the most pointed essays on purchasing a trunked radio system has just been posted in connection with Fauquier County's (Virg.) 800 MHz trunked radio plans. County resident George Tolis wrote the piece, which outlines his opinion that Motorola underspecifies 800 MHz systems to meet the customer's immediate budget requirements, then later makes big money installing extra gear to bring radio coverage up to what it originally should have been. Critics charge the county's rugged geography cannot be adequately covered with four radio sites. Surf: http://www.fauquiernews.com/Tolis letters.htm 348 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:30pm Subject: Re: >IN-PROGRESS>> LAFD lost radio... found! n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email that's very cool, yes. Anybody get a recording of the conversation? Brian H...could something like that radio conversation be made available to us publics? Harry http://www.qsl.net/n6uru/lafire.htm <~~ Fire Communications, Links and News ----- Original Message ----- From: "aa3fq" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 10:18 Subject: >IN-PROGRESS>> LAFD lost radio... found! > A citizen just found a handheld radio and called OCD on Ch. 4 > (857.9375). He gave his location and the radio number to OCD > and LAFD personnel are enroute to pick it up. Pretty cool, huh? > > > > For some exciting recorded incidents and direct online scanner links, check out http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/audiolinks.htm > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 349 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 0:03pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- Wyoming is looking for a state-wide radio solution, and has posted some interesting material on the Web, including a 67-page report written back in 2000 by Motorola about the state's communications options. The document says previous survey of the state's gear show, "aging technology, lack of interoperability, deficient or no coverage." As for solutions, the document recommended 95% coverage for "mobile talk in," meaning from a vehicle radio to the base station. After doing this, the document says, "add additional sites relative to the user requirements in any given area. This methodology prevents over-design, and ultimately insure coverage is met at the lowest possible cost." Fauquier County...take note. http://ipc.state.wy.us/radio/index.htm 350 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 0:20pm Subject: pro 94 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with Radio Shacks pro 94--the 1000 channel handheld? Any feedback would be appreciated! :-) Bob 351 From: efhoppe@... Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 5:39pm Subject: Re: pro 94 efhoppe@... Send Email Send Email On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:20:13 EST worksntv@... writes: > Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with Radio Shacks pro > 94--the 1000 channel handheld? > > Any feedback would be appreciated! :-) > > Bob Yes, I have had one for awhile. They are real nice but with some flaws. Checkout the PRO94OWNERS group on yahoo. If you are going to get one be sure to get the PRO-94a and not the PRO-94 since the newer model is better. Earl Stockton, CA ~ USA ~ KE6CIM Moderator PC ASSISTANCE at YAHOO GROUPS To subscribe send mailto:PC_Assistance-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. 352 From: "Dale" Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:25pm Subject: Re: pro 94 jan_dale20022 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Yes have owned one since '99, and even got my parents one. Not a bad scanner. But now the PRO-93 is a much better scanner, alphatags, light always on, reception, faster scanning rate, computer interface, ect. So if you just want a basic scanner and do not care about any of that other stuff and if the price is right go ahead and get a 94, otherwise get the 93. And also I do think the BC245XLT from Uniden is a much better scanner than the 94, but not as good as the 93. Just my opinion. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: efhoppe@... To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: Re: pro 94 On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:20:13 EST worksntv@... writes: > Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with Radio Shacks pro > 94--the 1000 channel handheld? > > Any feedback would be appreciated! :-) > > Bob Yes, I have had one for awhile. They are real nice but with some flaws. Checkout the PRO94OWNERS group on yahoo. If you are going to get one be sure to get the PRO-94a and not the PRO-94 since the newer model is better. Earl Stockton, CA ~ USA ~ KE6CIM Moderator PC ASSISTANCE at YAHOO GROUPS To subscribe send mailto:PC_Assistance-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 353 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 0:44pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- A long article in Wednesday's New York Times said that FDNY has conducted scores of interviews with firefighters as part of its internal investigation of the World Trade Center incident, and that radio communications was certainly an issue. However, the article noted about the interviews, "By themselves, they do not answer difficult questions such as whether lives might have been saved with different equipment or procedures." ===================================================== Send your news to: fax (510) 558-3109 email News@... 354 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 2, 2002 11:45am Subject: another 800 mhz report brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email While area law enforcement agencies will be upgraded to the 800 megahertz (MHz) radio system, several area fire departments are looking at a different system. Fire officials discussed different radio options at a recent fire chiefs meeting. They cite cost and the 800 MHz system inability to page members as reason to go another direction. Mason-Oceana 9-1-1 Dispatch Director Tom Altland acknowledged the 800 MHz systems cannot page individuals, but expects the technology to come. The Grant Township Fire Department already has upgraded to high band radio system, and Shelby-Benona, Ferry, Crystal and Walkerville departments are leaning that way. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3129795&BRD=2051&PAG=461& dept_id=382378&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 355 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 5, 2002 0:03pm Subject: INTERFERENCE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone know what band the Middletown Pa Pd is on???Is it possible this is MORE Nextel problems??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- The interference, occurring since September, blocks radio communications between officers and the central dispatching center on the primary department-wide frequency, city police and communication officials said. Worried about the problem, city officials requested an emergency meeting with state officials. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3170330&BRD=1645&PAG=461& dept_id=10856&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 356 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Feb 8, 2002 4:27pm Subject: IS THIS LOW VHF/VHF/UHF OR 800MHZ?? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email When police officers hit the streets in Solvay, they don't count on the portable radios that hang on their belts.The radios often fail, leaving officers unable to communicate with dispatchers at the Onondaga County 911 center. http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf?/newsstories/20020208_rncrime.html 357 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 0:06pm Subject: ANOTHER 800 mhz nightmare brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Pacific Area patrolmen are expressing concerns about the quality of the radio communications system the City of Los Angeles spent $21 million installing into patrol cars last year. The Motorola communications system, which officers call the "Astro," was converted last year from an analog system to a digital system. http://www.argonautnewspaper.com/display/inn_news/Area/1a.txt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 358 From: Don Root Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 5:57pm Subject: Re: ANOTHER 800 mhz nightmare k6cdo Offline Offline Send Email Send Email worksntv@... wrote: > > Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Pacific Area patrolmen are expressing > concerns about the quality of the radio communications system the City of Los > Angeles spent $21 million installing into patrol cars last year. > The Motorola communications system, which officers call the "Astro," was > converted last year from an analog system to a digital system. > > http://www.argonautnewspaper.com/display/inn_news/Area/1a.txt Regardiing the subject line: I've observed your vendeta against 800 MHz digital systems for some time now. And for someone who "Works in TV" you should know that you should confirm your facts before going public with a story. LAPD operates on 484 and 506 MHz (TV Channels 16 & 20). Don 359 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 9, 2002 6:31pm Subject: Re: ANOTHER 800 mhz nightmare brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In a message dated 02/09/2002 12:58:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, k6cdo@... writes: > I've observed your vendeta against 800 MHz digital systems for > some time now. And for someone who "Works in TV" you should know > that you should confirm your facts before going public with a story. > > LAPD operates on 484 and 506 MHz (TV Channels 16 & 20). > > Don > > Don: vendetta??? no---I simply put out info that shows the flaws in digital systems. Many radio suppliers promise the world to public safety officials who many times don't have any technical knowledge.....What sometimes happens is gaps in what they were promised put police/fire/ems and the people they serve in danger. I was wrong about 800 mhz in LA--My mistake---Although I read somewhere where LA went to 800 digital-- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 360 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Feb 10, 2002 0:50pm Subject: bc 245 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone know of a e mail reflector concerning the Uniden BC 245xlt?? I've had a 3000xlt which I use for work---and my employer has decided to "upgrade" what I have... Thanks in advance... Bob 361 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:10am Subject: Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I've attached some messages concerning Fairfax County...This could be of interest to those on the list------------- Bob Reynolds > [Original Message] > From: David Hughes > To: Scan-DC@... > Date: 2/7/02 8:51:28 AM > Subject: RE: [Scan-DC] Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) > > Ler's see now ..... we spent how many millions of dollars on this system? > The public service agencies are requiring the media to buy Motorola radios > to hear their frequencies and requiring the media and their employees such > as photogms, to undergo background checks, etc. to receive permission to > listen to these broadcasts? > > I have been a journalist for over 30 years and nefer have I seen such > high-handed attitudes by public servants. > > Of course, this IS Fairfax County. land of the taxed and taxed again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Henney [mailto:alan@...] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:39 AM > To: Scan-DC@... > Subject: [Scan-DC] Fairfax County's Public Access Plan (draft) > > > This is from Fairfax County PD public information officer Warren R. > Carmichael. Since this is only a draft, Mr. Carmichael welcomes feedback. > Please pass it along to me and I'll make certain he receives it, or post it > directly to the list, since Mr. Carmichael reads this list. > > > > FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT > FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT > > PUBLIC SAFETY TRUNKED DIGITAL RADIO MONITORING FACT SHEET > > > > Fairfax County public safety agencies are now utilizing a 20-channel, > trunked digital 800 megahertz radio system for all transmissions. This > system is also being utilized by the police departments of the City of > Fairfax and the Towns of Herndon and Vienna. > > At present there are no commercially available scanner radios capable of > monitoring these transmissions. They can only be monitored with > vendor-provided radios programmed to receive specific talk groups. > > While the primary police and fire dispatch/operational channels are > currently being simulcast in analog form so they can be monitored by > presently available scanners, such simulcasting cannot be continued > indefinitely since the four police 800 range channels involved will be > needed to accommodate the increasing volume of traffic on the trunked > system. > > It has been determined that it is in the operational interest of the public > safety agencies for news media and interested citizens, such as Neighborhood > Watch participants, to be able to monitor the transmissions on certain > police and fire talk groups. Consequently, it is appropriate for the > agencies to facilitate monitoring access until such time as commercially > available scanners are on the market. > > Such facilitation shall be accomplished as follows: > > Media organizations or citizens will be responsible for procuring their own > Motorola or Motorola system-compatible receivers from commercial dealers. > > Monitoring access must be requested from the public safety agencies. It > shall be the option of the agencies whether to conduct any type of > investigation or background check upon individual or organizational > applicants. > > Applicants must sign a Memorandum of Understanding and Agreement which will > also be signed by the Chief of Police and the Chief of the Fire and Rescue > Department. The agreement will specify the talk groups which will be > programmed and the conditions of use of the receiving radios. > > The completed agreement will serve as authorization for a vendor possessing > the County system technical information and system key to program the > applicant's radio to receive the specified talk groups. > > Individuals or organizations wishing to receive transmissions of the City of > Fairfax Police Department, Herndon Police Department or Vienna Police > Department must execute separate agreements with each of those agencies. > > > FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT > FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT > > MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT REGARDING > ACCESS TO PUBLIC SAFETY 800 MHz TRUNKED DIGITAL SYSTEM > > > > This agreement entered into on this _______ day of ________________, _______ > by and between the Fairfax County Police Department and the Fairfax County > Fire and Rescue Department ("agencies") and > _______________________________________ located at > _________________________________________ ("permittee") shall serve as a > memorandum of understanding between the permittee and the agencies of the > conditions governing the permittee's monitoring of certain talk groups on > the Fairfax County 800 megahertz public safety trunked digital radio system > "system"). The parties agree as follows: > > 1. The permittee certifies that monitoring of the system will be solely for > lawful purposes. > > 2. The permittee is responsible for procuring the required Motorola or > Motorola system-compatible radio(s). All receiving radios must meet > specifications defined by the County radio system manager. The permittee is > responsible for all costs associated with the procurement and maintenance of > the receiving radio(s). > > 3. The permittee shall take this agreement, which shall serve as an official > authorization, to one of the designated service vendors who possess system > technical information and system keys, to have the permittee's radio(s) > programmed for the talk groups specified herein. The permittee shall be > responsible for all costs associated with said programming. > > 4. The service vendor shall ensure that the transmitting function of the > radio is disabled, and the permittee agrees that the transmitting function > will not be enabled at any time. > > 5. The permittee agrees to listen only to the talk groups specified in this > agreement. > > 6. The permittee and the agencies agree that the permittee's radio shall be > programmed to receive the following talk groups: > > Police: Dispatch Groups one through nine. > Fire and Rescue: Groups 4A through 4E. > > 7. The permittee agrees that the agencies may conduct a background > investigation of the permittee at their discretion. > > 8. The permittee agrees not to use the receiving equipment on the system > prior to obtaining an identification code from the County radio system > manager. > > 9. The permittee shall always use only the assigned identification code. > > 10. The permittee shall immediately report to the agencies the loss, theft > or damage of any receiving equipment. > > 11. The permittee agrees to make the receiving equipment available upon > request by the County radio system manager or designee. > > 12. The agencies reserve the right to suspend or terminate some or all of > the permittee's listening privileges whenever the agencies determine, at > their sole and absolute discretion, the permittee has violated the terms of > this agreement and memorandum of understanding. > > 13. To the fullest extent permitted by law, the permittee shall be and > remain liable to the agencies, and shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless > the agencies and their officers, agents, employees and legal representatives > ("indemnified parties") from all losses, damage, expenses, suits, claims, > demands, fines, penalties, awards liabilities and costs, including > reasonable attorneys' fees ("liability"), to the extent that the liability, > or the underlying harm causing the liability, is attributable to, arises out > of, or is in any way related to permittee's use of the rights and privileges > granted in the agreement and/or to the permittee's accessing the system, to > permittee's breach of or failure to observe or perform the terms, conditions > and restrictions of this agreement. The permittee shall (1) defend the > indemnified parties at the permittee's own expense; (2) pay on behalf of the > indemnified parties all fines, penalties, judgments and other sums related > to any liability; and (3) otherwise satisfy and cause to be discharged any > judgments that may obtain against the indemnified parties regarding any > liability. > The permittee hereby knowingly and voluntarily waives and releases the > agencies, their officers, agents, employees and legal representatives from > all claims, suits and causes of action which relate directly or indirectly > to the subject matter of this agreement, including those relating to > personal injury, to personal property, and to real property. > > 14. If the permittee is an organization, permittee affirms that the person > signing on behalf of the permittee has been duly authorized to do so, and > this agreement is legally binding on, and enforceable against the permittee > (and its governing body, if applicable) in accordance with its terms, > without the need for any further action by the permittee. > > 15. This agreement becomes effective on the date first written above, and > shall remain in effect until terminated by the agencies or the permittee. > The agencies can terminate this agreement immediately after notification to > the permittee that the permittee is operating in violation of local, state > or federal regulation or law or the terms of this agreement, if the > permittee does not immediately stop operating in such manner. When this > agreement is terminated, the permittee shall return all receiving equipment > to the County radio system manager or designee for de-programming and system > access shall cease. > > 16. Provision 13 shall survive the termination of this agreement. > > 17. This agreement is subject to the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, > subsequent acts, treaties and all regulations heretofore or hereafter made > by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), and, further, subject to the > conditions and requirements set forth in the authorization from the FCC to > Fairfax County for use of the system. Permittee agrees not to do anything > whether permitted by the other terms of this agreement or not, to cause > Fairfax County and the agencies to be in violation of the terms of their > Private Land Mobile and General Mobile Radio Services Licenses. All FCC > regulations and proper radio protocol shall be adhered to at all times by > the permittee. This agreement is also subject to, and to be construed in > accordance with the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia. > > > IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereti have caused this agreement to be > executed by their duly authorized representatives. > > > Permittee Date > > By:____________________________________________________________________ > Name Title > > > FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT > > By:____________________________________________________________________ > Chief of Police Date > > FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT > > By:____________________________________________________________________ > Fire Chief Date > > > _______________________________________________ > Scan-DC mailing list > Scan-DC@... > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/scan-dc > _______________________________________________ > Scan-DC mailing list > Scan-DC@... > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/scan-dc --- William Harding --- ka3qpq@... --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 362 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 1:13pm Subject: LOCKING OUT THE "BOSS" brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is from another list but this former police officer has some interesting comments concerning radio comms of police/fire/ems etc! Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------- Citizens, this is what happens when (some) PARANOID public service personnel (Police, Fire and EMS) and government officials, both elected and non-elected feel a perceived need to keep their actions secret from their boses, the general public, so that they may escape the well needed scrutiny of the very people that they are bound to serve and protect. I defy any of these agencies to provide any direct evidence that monitoring these agencies for time immemorial has resulted in just "ONE" injury to to the Police, Fire or EMT/Paramedic person OR aided or abetted the escape of a criminal from detection. How would the world have ever survived till now without using the tactics these government employes now desire?? These folks are from the "Seige Mentality Bunch" who just do not want to be scrutinized by those they serve! Having been a Law Enforcement Officer for some years, I know whereof I speak.. I believe that if you want the public's cooperation in using their eyes and ears to prevent crime and/or help direct public service personnel to the incident, you would be better off supplying the citizens with the scanner radios free of charge. If the proposals of the government in question persist, YOU always have the avenue of "RECALL" of the elected officials responsible and ELECT officials who will use their heads for something other than to just hold a hat thereto. The power of the Citizenery is far, far more powerful than all of the Government figures put together. Ever heard of the "REFERENDUM?? Please wake up before we live in more of a Police State than already exists. AND thanks to all of the hard working, SENSIBLE public servants who also know whats going on here. There are cities in the U.S.A. where the police/fire departments actually hand out scanner radios to the citizens so that they may help prevent crime or at least REPORT same the appropriate agency. Only someone with blinders on would suggest that which is taking place to be beneficial rather than just plain idiocy. Respectfully, Jack. (Tconduce@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 363 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 1:15pm Subject: CHESTER CO PA=800 MHZ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The announcement comes after the county's police, fire and ambulance departments experienced a series of technological problems involving clarity, interrupted transmissions, static, periodic regional failure and "dead spots" beginning in 1998 and 1999. Since that time, the county has spent millions of dollars to buy additional equipment and radios, move towers, and provide additional technological improvements to fix the troubled 800-Mhz radio system --purchased from E.F. Johnson for $14 million in the mid-1990s. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3189492&BRD=1671&PAG=461& dept_id=17782&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 364 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:35pm Subject: PA RADIO SYSTEM STATUS REPORT brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a lot of discussion/speculation about Pa's 800 mhz digital system. I asked for an update from the press secretary for the Office of Adminstration and here's his reply: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elliott, Scott" To: "'Reynolds, Bob Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 21:43 Subject: answers to two remaining questions... > Bob: > > Here are answers to your two questions. > > 1) You asked for a status report. > > At this time, we are on schedule to begin migrating some agencies to > the new public safety radio network during the second quarter of 2002. > Approximately 125 of the total 250 towers have been constructed. Most > others are well along with their construction. Now that site acquisition is > behind us, we do not anticipate any other serious delays. > > The network will be brought online region-by-region starting in SE > Pennsylvania. Agencies will be migrated onto the network in waves. Please > keep in mind, however, that this schedule will be changed if at any time we > determine a delay is necessary to ensure proper wireless communications for > our state agencies. While staying on schedule is important, our commitment > to public safety is paramount. Having said that, at this time, we don't see > any concerns that should cause a serious delay. > > 2) You asked for an update on scanners. > > As you can imagine, our primary focus has been on the construction > of the radio network. As a result, we have nothing new to report on the > development of scanners for receiving digital transmissions. Given the > urgency imposed by the Sept. 11 events, development of the public safety > radio network needs to remain our top priority. When we get time to > investigate the scanner issue, we will provide you with that information. > > Best regards, > Scott Elliott > > > Scott Elliott > Press Secretary > ________________________________ > > > > Office of Administration > Room 209, Finance Bld. > Harrisburg, PA 17120 > ________________________________ > > > > 365 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Feb 18, 2002 1:30pm Subject: pro 2067 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I have a Radio Shack pro 2067 for my car and it seems to work well--- Did RS come out with a "new and improved" model of the same type of radio??? Thanks in advance Bob 366 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:21pm Subject: CLOSER TO BEING "CLOSED" brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Fauquier officials Tuesday probably will approve debt of $7.2 million for a new emergency radio system. The board of supervisors last month voted, 4-1, to sign a contract with Motorola Inc. for the system. Supporters say the system will solve coverage and interference problems. It also should give emergency personnel better use of limited frequencies and other computer-controlled features. http://www.citizenet.com/archive/021402/government.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 367 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:23pm Subject: GEISINGER MED CENTER/WYOMING VALLEY brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email 152.465 has been confirmed as a repeater output for Geisinger Wyoming Valley in Plains twp near Wilkes Barre Pa Sounds like a security freq.. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 368 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 11:42am Subject: SPACE SHUTTLE SCANNING brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.hq.nasa.gov/osf/miscinfo.html 369 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 11:46am Subject: from dispatch news brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Canton (Ohio) has signed Motorola to a $5.75 million radio and 911 contract that is the first in Ohio under the company's new alliance with Plant Equipment Inc. The system will offer an integrated ASTRO SmartZone analog-digital radio system for communications, with the VESTA software system for telephone call handling. Canton--home of the Pro Football Hall of Fame--is planning to build a new comm center this year that will have six positions, and controlling some 400 XTS 3000 digital radios for the police and fire departments. They'll also continue to use their old analog radios--some of them are over 17 years old! 370 From: "KMA367" Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 0:41am Subject: Re: ACPD digital (is it REALLY for secrecy?) n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Let me give my take on this issue... I don't believe there are THAT many agencies going to digital, especially to the (soon-to-be) publicly available APCO P25 technology, who do it for secrecy, but rather for the rather real need for frequency-congestion relief. Certainly some folks think that anything to keep the public in the dark is a "good idea," but I've seen no evidence or statistics at all that would support the idea that the driving force behind going to digital is secrecy. Besides, if the citizens and media are the "watchdogs" of the police, relying on radio traffic to perform that function is almost totally ineffective (and I personally feel it's usually a a bogus argument). Hear me out, please.... I'll use LAPD as an example, since I'm most familiar with them... LAPD has about 12,000 employees, only a fraction of whom are out on the radio. What do we generally hear on the radio? Where they're being sent and what the calling-party told the operator was going on. Not much else. Unless it's a real crime, then we hear what they looked like and which way they went. The officers may be out an hour or two, but the radio gives us absolutely no clue whatsoever as to what they're doing. Are they goofing off? Taking a bribe? Meeting a girl/boy friend for hanky-panky? We'll never know from listening to a scanner. Are they comforting a distraught victim or widow? Helping reunite a separated child and parent? Making a death notification? Following up on a robbery investigation? The radio doesn't tell us any of that stuff. Occasionally an aberration like the Rodney King debacle will generate some incriminating radio messages, but that's about it. And that's just the patrol people. There are a LOT more employees behind the scenes who seldom if ever say a word on the radio... detectives, support services, SID technicians, office pogues and paper-pushers, personnel division, records, tactical planning...well, you get the idea. They "spend" a lot more of our dollars than the patrol coppers do. We can listen till the cows come home, to every frequency possible, without ever hearing a clue as to how THEY'RE spending "our" tax dollars. What goes on over the radio really gives a very insignificant clue as to how "our employees" are spending the money we entrust them with, or whether they're acting in a corrupt manner or exhibiting unsung acts of bravery or service.. It can be the exciting part, of course, and better than most anything on TV or in the movies. And not only that, but the vast majority of our tax dollars go to the hundreds of thousands of government employees..local, state and federal, - NON Law-Enforcement - who never come near a radio at all. It's only my opinion - and you'll not find a bigger scanner fan than me anywhere - but I think we sometimes come up with highfalutin, even disingenuous reasons why we simply MUST be allowed to listen in. At the very bottom of it, I think most of us just LIKE to listen. After all, it is the best show in town. 73 Harry Marnell http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm <~~ LAPD Communications History ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 15:18 Subject: Re: [DIGITAL-SCANNING] ACPD digital > Rob, > It always bothers me when a public safety dept goes digital, pays for the > system with taxes then tells the citizens they have no right to listen in. > When you do that you MUST be trying to hide something. Possibly corruption? > Themedia and citizens are the watchdogs of the police. > Of course some things need to be secret, but I willNOT debate the argument > that neccesitates the need for 100%privacy. > When people are adamant about something then there is a public outcry, > then there is some stinky business going on, it makes the "Mr.Private" look > like a smacked ass. > I cannot wait for the digital scanner. I hope everyone that goes to an > encrypted system to keep scanner listeners at bay will suffer serious > communication problems that will cause them to re think their position. No i > do not want cops & firemen to get hurt but it will happen anyway with this > secret squirrel commuications stuff. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Access Your PC from Anywhere > Full setup in 2 minutes! - Free Download > http://us.click.yahoo.com/MxtVhB/2XkDAA/_ZuFAA/PbIolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~ -> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DIGITAL-SCANNING-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 371 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 0:08pm Subject: from another list brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From the strongsignals.net web site I just found out from Uniden today that both the BC785D and 250D will be priced so dealers will sell them for somewhere in the upper $300 range. The new release date is late October, early November for both units. The digital board will have a model number of BCI25D and should be out at around the same time. http://www.national-electronics.com/unbc.htm -- Best Regards, Keith http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ ICQ#:152812583 YahooIM: n6jpa 372 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 4:50pm Subject: Re: Re: Corning (Calif.) Police Dept dispatcher arrested. n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Oh no, all right, here I GO again. Read what they DIDN'T say... and they NEVER say. The sentence after "Among the other property seized was a scanner radio" whould have been "AGAIN, HAVING A SCANNER DID NOTHING TO PREVENT THE RAIDS AND ARRESTS FROM PROCEEDING WITHOUT INCIDENT." When will a media person reach that OBVIOUS conclusion and include it in the story. Perhaps we scanner users should begin a media-education campaign. Educating the media, not esucation through the media." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Newton" To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 00:21 Subject: Re: Corning (Calif.) Police Dept dispatcher arrested. > NOT again! There goes the California state BS again on scanning laws - > rats!...... > > JN > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Marcel wrote: > > > 12-year veteran Corning (Calif.) Police Dept. > > dispatcher Deloris Ann Stover, 59, arrested on charges of possession > > of stolen > > property and misuse of a law enforcement computer system. The Tehama > > and Glenn Methamphetamine Enforcement Team raided two homes and found > > drugs, firearms and print-outs from motor vehicle and criminal > > history computer systems, which they believe Stover obtained while at > > work. She was held on $12,000 bail. Among the other property seized > > was a scanner radio. > > > Jeff Newton > Director, Founder, Oregon Fire Page > Email: newton@... > Editor & Oregon Regional Editor - Scanner Digest Newsletter > Member - Oregon Tornado Chasers Society > Member - NWS SKYWARN, Portland, Oreogn (LANE-31) > Member - Oregon Fire Page (OFP508) > Member - REACT International - Affiliate > Oregon Fire Page website: http://www.ofp.org > Scanning Page: http://www.efn.org/~newton > Disclaimer: "The opinions expressed here are my own opinions. They are > not the opinions of OFP unless otherwise noted. Thank You". > > -- > FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! > Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... > This LISTSERV(tm) facility provided free of charge by the > University of Arkansas > and is subject to termination without notice > 373 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:18pm Subject: Yahoogroups DOWN this weekend. n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Yahoogroups has announced that their system will be down this weekend, from about 9:00 pm Friday (3/15) until "sometime" on Sunday. They claim that any mail sent to the groups will be saved for delivery once they are back online, but the system may take up to 24 hours to catch up. Not to be cynical - and maybe they'll actually IMPROVE things - but in the past their delays have usually lasted longer than expected. So if you send anything to the group this weekend, don't send it twice if it doesn't show up. I've saved the email addresses of everyone on the list, so if they have a major meltdown (not expected) I'll be able to notify you directly about what's happening. Harry List Guy 374 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:46pm Subject: wyoming co pa-fire freq brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email According to a friend who is a dispatcher---The NEW Wyoming Co fire freq is 155.730--replacing 154.310----- Let me know what u hear!!! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 375 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 0:22pm Subject: oceanside ca radio woes brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A state regulatory agency says the city's antiquated radio system may endanger police officers and firefighters. The California Division of Occupational Safety and Health warned the city this week that if the radio system, which does not work in some parts of town, leads to an injury, the city could be cited and face civil penalties. "It's basically (Cal-OSHA) saying, 'Hey look, there are some problems here, and we've told you about them,' " Cal-OSHA spokesman Dean Fryer said. http://c1.zedo.com/ads2/i/3845/172/152005778/0/i.html?e=i;s=82;d=1;z=0.6530209 551811983 376 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 0:30pm Subject: FORT SMITH RADIO SYSTEM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The owner of a Fort Smith radio communications company Tuesday cautioned the Sebastian County Quorum Court against investing in a commercially owned radio system the county has proposed purchasing for use as a public safety communications system.Phil Mayberry of PEI Communications told justices of the peace at their monthly meeting he was representing not only his company, but the taxpayers of Sebastian County who will pay for the enhanced digital access communications system (EDACS) radio system the county has proposed buying.Mayberry said the county “has not explored all avenues” in its search for a countywide radio system. He said the radios the EDACS system uses are “very expensive,” and the county would be “locked into” a system that has only one local vendor and a single service provider in the area.“ http://www.swtimes.com/archive/2002/March/20/news/radios.html 377 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 0:42pm Subject: digital comms via Internet brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here's a law enforcment agency that apperantly has no fear of citizens listening to their--- DIGITAL---radio comms. http://www.douglas.co.us/sheriff/ If the below link doesn't go to the sheriff's dept cut to http://www.douglas.co.us and then following the links to the Sheriff's Dept--- Keep this handy if/when your pd decides that law abiding citizens should not listen Bob 378 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:47am Subject: Fw: [bayscan] Vallejo Times Article n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Smith" To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 17:39 Subject: Re: [bayscan] Vallejo Times Article > > =-=-=-= > In American Canyon, a scanner listener helped police catch the robber of a > Starbucks in February. The listener made an anonymous call to the Napa > County Sheriff's Department, notifying sheriffs the man was hiding near his > or her building. > > If it weren't for that call, the suspect may not have been caught, said > Napa County Sgt. Mike Clark. > =-=-=-= > > Yep. And last week police were looking for a stolen car which had last been > reported southbound on my street in San Francisco moments before. I looked > out the window and sure enough, the theives had parked in front of my > neighbor's house. A quick call to 911 and they were in custody (very > dramatic felony stop -- I always worry that something's going to go wrong > and I'll feel partially responsible). > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Buy Stock for $4. > No Minimums. > FREE Money 2002. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/ELTolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~ -> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 379 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 0:43pm Subject: DIGITAL RADIOS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been some discussion here about digital police/fire radio systems--I am including the following link for information purposes ONLY!! This will show that scanners to "demodulate" APCO 25 two ways wlll be out this fall.. http://www.national-electronics.com/unbc.htm Bob Reynolds Scranton, Pa 380 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 1:11pm Subject: HIGH COST OF 800 MHZ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Montgomery County has decided to spend nearly $17 million over 10 years to build a communications system that would for the first time link all of its local fire departments.But most of the 92 fire companies say they can't afford to use it.The head of the County Board of Commissioners said he was aware of the problem, but he thinks the fire companies, most of which survive on small stipends from municipalities and donations from citizens, can and should find the money on their own. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/2975914.htm?template=contentModu les/printstory.jsp 381 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 0:25pm Subject: DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The FCC has granted a waiver to VoiceStream so they can provide priority access service (PAS) on their network, which you'll recall will give designated public safety officials improved access to wireless phone systems. The FCC's earlier rules required PAS be implemented with a user-entered code, while VoiceStream and others want to implement it on a by-phone basis. The scheme will simply put an authorized phone at the top of any site queue, and would bump or pre-empty any current user off their phone call. Surf: http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Wireless/News_Releases/2002/nrwl0206.html FCC chair Michael Powell has floated a plan to get broadcasters moved onto digital channels ASAP. He's hoping that broadcasters will increase programming in digital format, which means consumers will feel more compelled to make the upgrade to digital TVs, which means all sorts of frequencies will be freed up by 2006. Hey...if you want those 700 MHz frequencies for your comm center, head down to Circuit City and buy a digital TV. ------------------------- We wandered across a White Paper on public safety radio interoperability from the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. It has some interesting thoughts on the obstacles to interoperability. Download the paper in Acrobat (pdf, 176k) format at: http://www.911Dispatch.com/information/interop_paper.pdf -------------------------- The Nebraska legislature is working on the next state budget, so final approval of funding (up to $87 million) to create a state-wide public safety radio system is on hold. Interoperability is at the crux of the proposal, after several multi-agency incidents where police and fire departments couldn't talk to one another. The uncertain cost of the system has legislators nervous as they're facing other appropriations in the annual budget. At the other end, local agencies have delayed purchasing new gear in anticipation of the radio bill's passage, and are now nervous the measure might not pass. -------------------------- A memo from Ron Haraseth, APCO liaison for Project 39 on 800 MHz interference, says that, "The information APCO has uncovered paints a gloomy picture." He outlined the work among APCO, local agencies, Nextel and other companies so far, and then asked for continuing input on interference that agencies are encountering. "There is a perception to some parties the problem may not be as widespread as we know it to be," he said, and added, "There is a dire need to promote the reporting and logging of both new problems and follow-up reports of problems that have been previously reported." Haraseth asked that interference reports be filed at: http://www.apco911.org/afc/800interfere.htm#interfere [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 382 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:19am Subject: from dispatch news brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Metro (Minneapolis) Radio Board is tackling the issue of public radio access by floating a draft proposal to regulate how radios could be used by the media and others to monitor selected talkgroups of its digital trunked radio system. Unfortunately, the draft pretty much leaves the decision on what channels are "open" to the local participating agencies, and never comes close to stating a policy on what information should be available to the public. Local media are hoping to maintain at least what access they have now with analog radio channels. See what the Board left out at: http://www.metroradioboard.org/draft%20media%20policy%203-26-02.pdf 383 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:06am Subject: YAHOO:INVASION OF PRIVACY! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Yahoo is at it again! Urgent protect your info! Please let everyone you know, know of this right now! Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track you around the net & see what you are doing. ...like cookies...... Take a look at http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html Somewhere about halfway down the page in the right hand side paragraph, there is a blue tiny little link that lets you opt-out of their electronic snooping. I advise everyone to do so immediately if not sooner. Also note that when you opt out, a window opens that says you have successfully opted out, but also says that if you want ot cancel opt out to press the small window below. DON'T click the small window thinking that it is the final opt out. NOT!!!!! 384 From: Nicolas Sosa Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:17pm Subject: Re: YAHOO:INVASION OF PRIVACY! anticrime5150 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I use this spyware finder to remove any "implants" into my computer that do exactly what Yahoo intends to do for waht evenr purpose. http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10106-601-9496406.html?tag=st.dl.10106.&tag\ =st.dl.10106-100-9496406.dir.10106-601-9496406 worksntv@... wrote: > Yahoo is at it again! Urgent protect your info! > > Please let everyone you know, know of this right now! > > Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to > track you around the net & see what you are doing. ...like > cookies...... > > Take a look at http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html > Somewhere about halfway down the page in the right hand > side paragraph, there is a blue tiny little link that lets > you opt-out of their electronic snooping. > > I advise everyone to do so immediately if not sooner. > > Also note that when you opt out, a window opens that says > you have successfully opted out, but also says that if you > want ot cancel opt out to press the small window below. > > DON'T click the small window thinking that it is the final > opt out. NOT!!!!! > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 385 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:33pm Subject: Re:Governors Want More Emergency Spectrum, WELL.... n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Maybe it's available right now if they just LOOK??? My totally unscientific obsevation and (thus unsupported) conclusion is that MANY businesses, especially smaller service-type outfits such as construction, plumbers, delivery services, taxicabs, etc etc have found that using cellphones is a much more flexible and cost-effective way of communicating. Mny locals in the semi-rural area where I live have quit using their 2-ways and rely on cellphones exclusively. This frequently obviates the need for a full-time office worker/dispatcher or paying an answering service to answer every phone call that comes in. Many of these folks are using their cellphones as their primary or only business line, and answer calls for service from on-the-road or at worksites. They're cancelling 2-way radio service / repeater use contracts and simply unloading the radios any way they can. Which is the first half of my question. Has anyone noticed this trend in larger cities, and does it appear to have left previously busy "business" and other frequencies practically dead? Any studies been done to see if hundreds of these freqs couldn't be put to use TODAY for public safety? (e.g., many former 'forest products' channels have historically sat unused in metro areas; motion-picture and media freqs are quiet as a church-mouse in rural areas. Is this a developing asset that's been handed to us an an accidental side-effect of the explosion of wireless? And HEY, thousands of public-safety agencies probably have many thousands of VHF and UHF mobile and portable radios just sitting around gathering dust... Just a thought... before my morning coffee even... Harry Marnell, N6URU (former CPRA member in reasonably good standing, though I find myself SITTING more these days) http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm <~~ LAPD Communications History ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 06:34 Subject: [fr2] Governors Want More Emergency Spectrum > http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.asp?layout=print_page&doc_id=80884 > > I was scanning thru 152 Mhz to 153 Mhz today. Didnt hear much of > anything - some taxis and a few paging channels - mostly unused spectrum > there. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Buy Stock for $4 > and no minimums. > FREE Money 2002. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/OGYolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~ -> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > firerad2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 386 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:44am Subject: Radio Shack 20-012 mobile scanner antenna brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I spotted this on another list and thought I'd pass it on! Follow this link for more info. http://home.adelphia.net/~poser/rsmulti.htm I'd be curious to hear from scanner listeners about this mod and if it makes any difference! Bob Subj: Radio Shack 20-012 mobile scanner antenna Date: 04/09/2002 6:10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: deunju@... (Dale Urban) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: deunju@... To: SCAN-L@... Back in the Nov 1992 issue of RCMA magazine there was a very good article on how to modify the RS 20-012 antenna to be more resonant in the public safety and commercial areas of the vhf/uhf. The article states that the antenna is resonant in the6m, 2m and 440 ham bands. The modification calls for removal of 3/4 to 1 inch of the mid section to make a better match in the 150-170 mhz range, this also helps the response in the uhf T band. To better improve the antenna for low band use get another rod to replace the top section. Cut it 21" for 45 mhz, 25" for 42 mhz, 29" for 39 mhz, 44" for 33 mhz. Remember this will make it unusable to transmit in the 6m,2m,440 ham bands. When I started this article I was going to check to see if anyone had done any mods on this antenna to better enhance the 800, vhf, uhf bands as low band in my area is slowly fading away but I may have answered my own question. Dale Urban N0KQX Garden City Ks. -- FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... This LISTSERV(tm) facility provided free of charge by the University of Arkansas and is subject to termination without notice 387 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 11:10am Subject: Trunk system failure brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: [UnidenBC780XLT] Date: 04/19/2002 7:37:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Amtrak35@... (amtrak35) Reply-to: UnidenBC780XLT@yahoogroups.com To: UnidenBC780XLT@yahoogroups.com I was listening to 5 frequency Motorola UHF trunked Safety system for a local county when scanner stopped trunking and all 5 frequencies were lit on normal service.In the background of each frequency was a hiss like mike was keyed and a beep about every 30 seconds. This lasted about 2 minutes then normal trunking returns and officer calls in and said his radio had a Fail-Soft message on his screen.Dispatcher said radio repair guys were working on system and it went down. Radio repair calls in and says Fail-Soft does not mean radio system is down but is in emergency backup. However dispatcher said he couldn't get hold of officers and officer said his radio wasn't working,it sure seemed down to him. Does this back-up of Motorola's trunked system really work or did these guys panic? Must be scary when system goes down and these guys can't communicate.A drawback to Trunking? 388 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 11:43am Subject: A PROBLEM? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I am looking for some advice/input from the list---- I was using a BC 3000- for work--[I am a TV news reporter] and had very little problem with it when it comes to intermod even using an external antenna on a car---Most of the comms around here are VHF. Anyway another employee was looking for a scanner so I gave him the 3000 and had the station buy a 245--- What a disappointment!!! I am getting killed by intermod---I wonder if the scanner is defective and should send it back or buy something like an RS 94??? Bob WB3DYE Wilkes-Barre, PA 389 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 0:52pm Subject: WESTMORELAND CO PA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Westmoreland County commissioners approved spending more than $94,000 on Thursday for preliminary engineering and design work on a proposed upgraded 911 emergency radio dispatching system. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/dailycourier/s_67268.html 390 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:41pm Subject: ATTN: PA DISPATCHERS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This should be of interest to Pa dispatchers/scanner listeners. Pa State Police talking about basically the same thing with it's new 800 mhz statewide system. No firm date when the system will be totally operational.... Bob Subj: Idaho SP Have 3 Comm Centers Date: 04/22/2002 10:04:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: zerg90@... (pS) Sender: SCAN-L@... (Radio Scanner Discussion Forum) Reply-to: zerg90@... (pS) To: SCAN-L@... http://www.isp.state.id.us/communications/index.html Idaho State Police handle all of their radio ops out of 3 regionalized dispatch centers. Radio freqs used are - 460.55 - 460.525 - 460.50 - 460.40 - 460.30 - 460.275 - 460.20 - 460.125 - 460.10 - 460.025 They have approximately 50 repeater sites licensed for each of these freqs. 460.025 is the statewide police mutual aid channel. (460.50 and 460.125 do seem to have a couple of local police agencies that share the freqs with the State Police - but all of the other freqs are apparently clear statewide for ISP use). All channels appear to be repeaterized, and all sites are probably linked via microwave. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 391 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 0:38pm Subject: APCO 25 GOOD REFERENCE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Uniden has released additional information on the forthcoming APCO-25 digital scanners. The BC785D desktop/mobile and BC250D hand-held scanners {units are not FCC certified} are essentially upgrades of the current, and very popular, BC780XLT and BC245XLT models. http://www.grove-ent.com/apco25.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 392 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 0:37am Subject: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Some folks get hysterical that ANY police business (how "they" are spending "our" tax dollars) be conducted secretively or encrypted. This story is a good example of an incident where I wouldn't want ANYBODY hearing the incident... good-guy scannerists, media, nobody.... harry... LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT PRESS RELEASE Monday, April 22, 2002 "Kidnap For Ransom Suspects Apprehended" Los Angeles: On April 21, 2002, at approximately 5:30 p.m., two male Hispanic victims drove one of the victim's 1997 custom Ford pick-up to El Sereno Park to watch a baseball game. Shortly after parking in the main entrance parking lot, two male Hispanic suspect's exited a black Honda armed with semi-automatic handguns and demanded money and jewelry from the victims. The victims in fear of being shot gave the suspects their wallets. During the robbery several other male Hispanics that were in the park approached and assisted in assaulting the victims. The original two suspects forced the victims to lie down in the cab portion of their truck. The suspects drove the victim's truck with both victims inside to an unknown location in Highland Park. The two suspects joined up with a female suspect. The three suspects made numerous telephonic ransom demands to the victims' friends. The suspects demanded ten thousand dollars in thirty minutes or they would kill the victims. After negotiations, the suspects dropped the ransom demand to three thousand dollars and agreed to a money drop for the release of the victims. Robbery Homicide Division, Robbery Special Section, with the assistance of Detective Services Group, Special Investigation Section, and Air Support worked in conjunction and formulated a plan to safely apprehend the suspects and recover the victims. A "money drop" point was established. A lone male suspect drove a red Toyota followed by the other male and female suspects, driving a black Honda with the two victims seated in the back seat. Detectives arrested the lone suspect in the red Toyota out of view of the additional suspects. The male and female suspects shortly after released the victims near Avenue 63 and York Avenue. Detectives recovered the victims who had been pistol-whipped. The victims received treatment for their injuries and both were released from the hospital in stable condition with bruises and contusions. Detectives followed the other two suspects to an apartment building located in the 100 block of E. 52 Avenue. The residents of the apartment building were evacuated and members of the Los Angeles Police Special Weapons and Tactics Platoon made entry into an apartment at this location and apprehended the two other suspects. The victims positively identified all three suspects. The suspects were arrested and booked at Jail Division for "Kidnap for Ransom" with additional charges of Robbery and Carjacking. The Suspects were identified as Manuel Perry, 28 years of age, a resident of Azusa, Richard Gomez, 28 years of age, a resident of San Bernardino, and Reanita Bell, a female Hispanic, 20 years of age, a resident of Highland Park. The victim's 1997 Ford pick-up is still outstanding. Anyone with further information regarding the incident is requested to call the Los Angeles Police Department's Robbery Homicide Division, at 213-485-2511. On weekends and during off-hours, contact the 24-hour toll free number at 1-877-529-3855, or 1-877-LAWFULL. from http://www.lapdonline.org/press_releases/2002/04/pr02230.htm Harry Marnell http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/LAPDhistory.htm <~~ LAPD the last 40 years 393 From: "slakebarrie" Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:55am Subject: Re: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) jdunfitzger Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi Harry, an eerie situation for anyone to be in however what's the reason for your opinion? J. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Marnell Subject: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) Some folks get hysterical that ANY police business (how "they" are spending "our" tax dollars) be conducted secretively or encrypted. This story is a good example of an incident where I wouldn't want ANYBODY hearing the incident... good-guy scannerists, media, nobody.... harry... LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT PRESS RELEASE Monday, April 22, 2002 "Kidnap For Ransom Suspects Apprehended" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 394 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 2:00am Subject: Re: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Don't quite understand your question.. do you mean why do I think stuff like this should be "private"? Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/glossary.htm <~~ ASTRO/Digital/Trunking Glossary of Terms ----- Original Message ----- From: "slakebarrie" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 18:55 Subject: Re: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) > Hi Harry, an eerie situation for anyone to be in however what's the reason for your opinion? > > J. 395 From: "slakebarrie" Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 2:09am Subject: Re: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) jdunfitzger Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Essentially, yes that's is my question.. J. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Marnell To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 22:00 PM Subject: Re: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) Don't quite understand your question.. do you mean why do I think stuff like this should be "private"? Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/glossary.htm <~~ ASTRO/Digital/Trunking Glossary of Terms ----- Original Message ----- From: "slakebarrie" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 18:55 Subject: Re: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) > Hi Harry, an eerie situation for anyone to be in however what's the reason for your opinion? > > J. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 396 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 2:27am Subject: Re: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email These are the kinds of incidents that require extraordinarily skillful work to resolve peacefully, with nobody getting hurt... police, suspects or victims. The cops have to establish and maintain contact - especially visual - with the suspects, yet remain undetected lest they spook the suspects and possibly cause the the victims to be injured or killed if the suspects panic. The crooks in hostage and drug-deals are naturally VERY nervous, and have to be assumed to be armed. Some years ago there was a child kidnap/hostage incident in Long Beach, and the suspect was at a supermarket payphone talking to either a negotiator or a police officer poding as a family member. ..I don't recall which. As I listened from home, late at night, the cops staking it out went nuts on the frequency as several vehicles with very conspicuous antennas drove thru the otherwise quiet parking lot. The child was eventually rescued and the suspect arrested, but several apparent scannists also got stopped and either cited or arrested. They could have cost someone(s) a life that night. And a while ago I got a reply to this post as follows... From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 17:47 Subject: Re: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public ... > Real good point Harry. I agree, having some channels encrypted is certainly > justified, just not all of them. while I don't know if it was scanner > related, a "leak" in the news media is blamed for blowing a possible arrest, > early in the Green River killing spree up in Seattle and N/W area that killed > so many women. The days when newspaper and other media people would "sit " on > a story, seem to be over. too bad. > Ed Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "slakebarrie" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 19:09 Subject: Re: Some police radio stuff MUST not be available to the public (IMHO) > Essentially, yes that's is my question.. > > J. 397 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:48pm Subject: LACKAWANNA CO PA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email a series of thunderstorms caused the Lackawanna County Communications Center's lines to go down. It could not send out tones, or radio signals, to contact emergency departments in other parts of the county. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3935871&BRD=2185&PAG=461& dept_id=416045&rfi=6 398 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue May 7, 2002 0:16pm Subject: PHONE CALL INTERCEPTED brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Sims Township Clerk Jennifer Maser had been scheduled for an evidence hearing on the felony eavesdropping charge Monday in Arenac District Court. Police allege that Maser listened in on two private telephone conversations last November. http://www.mlive.com/news/bctimes/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/ base/news/1019576701196195.xml 399 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri May 10, 2002 2:19am Subject: Fw: Potential tightening of screws on scanning/photography activity n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Unfortunate, I suppose, but perhaps inevitable... ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken windyka" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 15:16 Subject: Re: [FedCom] Re - Secret Law Peter is correct BUT will this whole thing going to get out of hand again? Difficult to believe that FBI agents would visit people just for asking a simple question to avoid violating the law -- but just because an investigator talks to you doesn't mean you've violated any law!!!! Also even before 9/11 many airports had expanded their no parking/stopping areas on approaches to airports, public access roads close to taxiways, etc. Furthermore many 'sensitive' facilities always had a policy to respond to any vehicles stopped EVEN if on a public highway going right by that facility. Law Enforcement can ask folks to move along in just about any circumstance anyways. Don't you think that the feds already have people assigned to look at all these scanner related hobby mail lists? On FEDCOM you don't even have to join the list in order to read and/or download the achieves. I would bet that the hobby publications such as "Monitioring Times", "Popular Communications", "Scanning USA", would be doing appropriate official press inquiries to alert hobbyists of such a law. HOWEVER, apparently Hanscom AFB's open house/air show has restricted scanner operation for visitors to the show per their prerecorded show hotline at 781-377-5287 for details. Also the FAQ at the airshow website see htt://www.hanscomairshow2002.com appears to ban scanners, two way radio equipment, etc. BUT allows cellular/pcs phones. FURTHERMORE, the U.S. Air Force has instituted a program called Called "Eagle Eyes," the program aims to prevent terrorism by encouraging and enabling Air Force members and citizens to report terrorist planning activities they observe. The program also features processes for rapid follow-up investigations and information sharing to other echelons of command and OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES as appropriate. REPORTABLE activities include: -- SURVEILLANCE. Someone recording or monitoring activities. This may include using cameras (either still or video), taking notes, drawing diagrams, annotating on maps, or using binoculars or other vision-enhancing devices. (BUT SCANNERS & RADIO COMMS ARE LEFT OUT??) -- ELICITATION. People or organizations attempting to gain information about military operations, capabilities, or people. Elicitation attempts may be made by mail, fax, telephone, or in person. -- TESTS OF SECURITY. Any attempts to measure reaction times to security breaches or to penetrate physical security barriers or procedures in order to assess strengths and weaknesses. -- ACQUIRING SUPPLIES. Purchasing or stealing explosives, weapons, ammunition, etc. Also includes acquiring military uniforms, decals, flight manuals, passes or badges (or the equipment to manufacture such items) or any other controlled items. -- SUSPICIOUS PERSONS OUT OF PLACE. These are people who don't seem to belong in the workplace, neighbourhood, business establishment, or anywhere else. This includes suspicious border crossings and stowaways aboard ship or people jumping ship in port. -- DRY RUN: Putting people into position and moving them around according to their plan without actually committing the terrorist act. This is especially true when planning a kidnapping, but it can also pertain to bombings. An element of this activity could also include mapping out routes and determining the timing of traffic lights and flow. -- DEPLOYING ASSETS: People and supplies getting into position to commit the act. This is a person's last chance to alert authorities before the terrorist act occurs. So aero monitoring/photo hobbyists are probably going to be greatly affected by these new reporting guidelines that perhaps have also been instituted selected FAA civilian airports. Regarding scanners at FAA major airports, etc. What isn't logically is that most radio signals travel off the airport site anyways. I'm 30+ miles away from the nearest major civilian passenger airport and even with a portable antenna on the scanner I can pickup the repeaters that carry airport administration, fire, and some of the security activity (one talk group is patched back into the old high band VHF system & may be used by some security personnel), the State PD troop assigned to security uses a digital trunking system. Another aspect is that hobbyists generally are going to stick around an area for a fairly long period of time. Now they will become suspects when in fact a group of vehicles travelling quickly though the airport at various times could actually take pictures, record audio, & scoop frequencies relatively quickly. There's plenty of ways to do covert video surveillance from vehicles. The potential terrorists we are dealing with have shown in the past that they have some very smart people who plan these attacks and part of the equation was the surperb "covert" surveillance. I guess the aero related scanner hobbyists have become casualties to these well meaning programs. BUT frankly this could also apply to folks who like to watch trains, ships, and perhaps ANY non public related event as well. Furthermore, I would guess that even outdoor hobbyist/hikers that have knapsacks on their backs & are walking into the woods next to high voltage transmission lines could also be termed suspecious!!! Perhaps more information will become available in the future. I highly doubt that any hobbyists wants to be a martyr to prove a point. If it IS THE LAW than that's the way it is!!!! Ken Windyka Springfield MA Monitoring Area At 02:15 PM 5/9/02 -0400, aphelps@... wrote: >I know of one person named Brenden who has made several inquiries to the >newly formed Transportation Security Administration, into which the FAA's >Civil Aviation Security Organization has been itegrated. Subsequent to >his initial request he received both a telephone call and a personal visit >from the FBI, but no response from the FAA/TSA either confirming or denying >the veracity of the original post on this issue. >zerg90@... (pS) on 05/09/2002 02:15:45 PM >Whatever happened to the discussion about the supposedly new secret law >that banned scanning at controlled airports? > >Peter S 400 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 4:19pm Subject: SCANNER/CELL PHONE CALL=DC brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Rep. James McDermott, D-Wash., has acknowledged leaking to the media a recording of a phone call between Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, and then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich.A Florida couple used a scanner to intercept the December 1996 conference call in which Boehner, Gingrich and other House leaders discussed strategy involving announcement of an ethics committee finding against Gingrich. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21251-2002May15.html 401 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu May 16, 2002 4:36pm Subject: 2006 SCANNER MANUAL brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone know if there's a link where I can find a manual for the Radio Shack 2006?? I am selling mine and would like to provide a manual with it.. Bob Wb3dye 402 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat May 18, 2002 9:50am Subject: SCANNER FREQS-PA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here is some material which was supplied to me from another list---If u live around any of these sites--plug these in and tell me what u hear---If u notice some are repeeaters---fb2--- HTML1DocumentEncodingutf-8PW WPUU801 LACKAWAXEN, TOWNSHIP OF - JEFF CHORBA LACKAWAXEN, PA [applicant is a governmental entity and will use radios for essential communications of township maintenance and public works activities.] ctrl pt 1 - 116 TOWNSHIP RD LACKAWAXEN PA 570-729-8691 05/07/02 License Issued 1 - WOODLOCH SPRING ON RT 590 LACKAWAXEN (PIKE) PA 159.1125 62' FB2 110e 2 - 40 KMRA around site 1 156.2325 MO 15x40e 159.1125 MO 15x40e 3 - Land Mob Ctrl Sta Mtg 20 Rule 156.2325 FX1 110e ---------------------------------------- HTML1DocumentEncodingutf-8IG WPKR379 LITTLE FLOWER MANOR NURSING HOME - DIRECTOR JOSEPH A BRZYCKI WILKES BARRE, PA [plant operations, maintenance, security, for the use of communications for nursing staff.] ctrl pt 1 - 200 S MEADE ST WILKES BARRE PA 717-823-6131 05/09/02 License Renewed 06/13/97 License Issued 1 - 32 KMRA around 41-25-42.3N 75-44-45.7W (LUZERNE) PA 467.925 MO 4x2w --------------- HTML1DocumentEncodingutf-8MASTHOPE RAPIDS POC LACKAWAXEN, PA [applicant operates a resort. radios will be used to coordinate ski patrol and mountain operations personnel.] ctrl pt 1 - KARL HOPE BLVD LACKAWAXEN PA 717-685-1400 05/09/02 License Renewed 07/15/97 License Issued 1 - KARL HOPE BLVD LACKAWAXEN (PIKE) PA 464.8 22' FB2 34e 2 - 32 KMRA around site 1 464.8 MO 15x4e 469.8 MO 15x4e HTML1DocumentEncodingutf-8LAUREL MALL ASSOCIATES - RICHARD GOLDER HAZLETON, PA [radios to be used primarily at laurel mall in hazleton but also at other locations owned in pennsylvania.] ctrl pt 1 - 717-454-2100 05/10/02 License Renewed 07/31/97 License Issued 1 - PA Statewide 151.625 MOI 25x10w HTML1DocumentEncodingutf-8BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY LEWISBURG, PA [coord daily athletic dept maintenance ops] ctrl pt 1 - BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY LEWISBURG PA 570-577-1242 05/06/02 License Issued 1 - BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY FIELD HOUSE LEWISBURG (UNION) PA 463.475 29' FB2 45e 2 - 12 KMRA around site 1 463.475 MO 20x40e 468.475 MO 20x40e 3 - Land Mob Ctrl Sta Mtg 20 Rule 468.475 FX1 40e HTML1DocumentEncodingutf-8AVENTIS PASTEUR INC - INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS SWIFTWATER, PA [applicant is engaged in the development manufacture and sales of pharmaceuticals] ctrl pt 1 - DISCOVERY DR SWIFTWATER PA 570-839-4268 05/10/02 License Issued 1 - RT 611 SWIFTWATER (MONROE) PA 159.525 45' FB2 45e 2 - 32 KMRA around site 1 153.35 MO 25x25e 159.525 MO 25x25e [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 403 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu May 30, 2002 0:40pm Subject: your ad brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Sirs: I recently spotted your ad. http://www.wpascanner.com/transad.htm It tends to indicate that ANYONE listening to one's radio system is a terrorist. I respectfully would like to point out that the majority of scanner listeners are law abiding citizens, who monitor police/ems and fire communications to know whats going on in their communities---Some are members of crime watch organizations who have used their scanners to HELP law enforcement catch the bad guys. How? We had one incident in Scranton, Pa where a description of a criminal was given out. A scanner listener spotted the suspect, called police and the man was apprehended. Don't get me wrong--I believe that certain comms, drug stakeouts etc SHOULD be scrambled. But the everyday comms which could potentially affect the common person should be in the clear. I am passing this on to other members of the scanner community and encouraging them to voice their opinions to you. Thank you for your time and attention. Regards, Robert Reynolds 73 New Alexander St Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 404 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 0:34pm Subject: 800 mhz=outdated? texas brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email City officials continued with plans to install a new radio system for the Police Department last year despite warnings from a Jefferson County consultant that some of the equipment was outdated or being phased out of operation. Central Services Director Kirby Richard said this week's radio malfunction, which prevented police officers from communicating with dispatchers, was not a result of that problem. http://www.southeasttexaslive.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=2287&dept_id=481650& newsid=4301896&PAG=461&rfi=9 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 405 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 1:42pm Subject: YOUR ARTICLE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dear Tom: I read with interest your article concerning tow truck operators listening to scanners to get business. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/cities_neigh borhoods/philadelphia/3431469.htm I suggest you do a follow up piece concerning those of us who listen to police/fire and ems communications as a HOBBY and NOT for criminal use. I am forwarding this to several scanner e mail reflectors hoping that you will hear from other scanner listeners. There are no national figures available on the legal use of scanner radios. Do you honestly think companies such as Radio Shack, Uniden and a host of others would be in business if just the "bad guys" were purchasing the units? In my case I am a ham radio operator and my scanner listening is an outgrowth of that. I listen at home, at work and in my car. I like to know whats going on in my community, to be informed of things that for whatever reason don't show up in the local newspaper, to know if there have been burglaries/robberies or other crimes on my street. I believe that your article gave the impression that ALL scanner users are criminals which is certainly not true. In fact, some scanner use has HELPED law enforcement. About a year ago in Scranton, a police alert was put of for a man wanted for a robbery. A scanner listener heard the broadcast, saw the suspect on her street, called police and they nabbed him. At times the Lackawanna County 911 center will talk about people in "Scanner land" who have called them with information about crimes. Hows that for a bunch of eavesdroppers? Regards, Robert Reynolds 73 New Alexander St Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 406 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Jun 9, 2002 5:52pm Subject: Fw: <800band> YOUR ARTICLE n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:42 Subject: <800band> YOUR ARTICLE > Dear Tom: > > > I read with interest your article concerning tow truck operators listening to > scanners to get business. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/cities_neigh > > borhoods/philadelphia/3431469.htm > > I suggest you do a follow up piece concerning those of us who listen to > police/fire and ems communications as a HOBBY and NOT for criminal use. I am > forwarding this to several scanner e mail reflectors hoping that you will > hear from other scanner listeners. > > There are no national figures available on the legal use of scanner radios. > Do you honestly think companies such as Radio Shack, Uniden and a host of > others would be in business if just the "bad guys" were purchasing the units? > > In my case I am a ham radio operator and my scanner listening is an outgrowth > of that. I listen at home, at work and in my car. I like to know whats going > on in my community, to be informed of things that for whatever reason don't > show up in the local newspaper, to know if there have been > burglaries/robberies or other crimes on my street. I believe that your > article gave the impression that ALL scanner users are criminals which is > certainly not true. In fact, some scanner use has HELPED law enforcement. > About a year ago in Scranton, a police alert was put of for a man wanted for > a robbery. A scanner listener heard the broadcast, saw the suspect on her > street, called police and they nabbed him. At times the Lackawanna County 911 > center will talk about people in "Scanner land" who have called them with > information about crimes. > > Hows that for a bunch of eavesdroppers? > > Regards, > > > Robert Reynolds > 73 New Alexander St > Wilkes-Barre, Pa 18702 > > Community email addresses: > Post message: 800band@onelist.com > Subscribe: 800band-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: 800band-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: 800band-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/800band > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 407 From: "jhguetherman" Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 0:51pm Subject: Inquirer article tops Strong Signals newspage jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From the phlscanner group: Check it out! Philly Inquirer Hasn't A Clue Posted on 06/11/2002 06:33 EDT http://www.strongsignals.net/access/news/news.cgi? type=single§ion=press&entry=594 Bob Reynolds should also have been given credit, he stated the email campaign! Joe Or you can go to http://strongsignals.net/index.cgi and it's the top news article at the moment. John H. Guetherman KB7MIB/KAZ7FA/KBKF9922/SSB-83T/KAE7927 (expired) Peoria, AZ. 408 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 0:24pm Subject: TERRORISTS=MORE SCANNERS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A police scanner has joined the television and aquarium as fixtures in Brad Smith's living room, taking a prominent spot on an end table.     Mr. Smith, 37, bought the scanner after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States.     “I do think we'll have more terrorist attacks. And I'll be the first to know where it is. I'll hear it on that scanner before the TV and radio stations come on,” he said. http://enquirer.com/editions/2001/10/13/loc_police_radio.html    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 409 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jun 13, 2002 6:36pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email GAO Finds NTIA Lacks Staff, Resources to Properly Manage Federal Spectrum In testimony before the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee, the General Accounting Office (GAO) said the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) lacks the staff and funding to do an efficient job of managing the spectrum used by U.S. government agencies. The NTIA is responsible for promoting the efficient use of the federal spectrum it manages, which, at the end of 2000, amounted to 270,000 federal frequency assignments. In addition, the NTIA has not be able to clear a significant amount of federal spectrum for commercial use due to stringent opposition from the Defense Department. The hearing Tuesday was the first in what is expected to be a series of Senate Commerce Committee sessions on the U.S. spectrum crunch, and could include classified hearings on the Pentagon's need for spectrum sought by wireless companies. Dow Jones Newswires Nextel Signals Cause Problems for Public Safety, Corporate Wireless Users More than 70 public safety agencies in 27 states have reported interference with their communications from Nextel wireless call transmissions, but Nextel's proposed solution to the problem is controversial. The company proposes that corporate wireless users, like FedEx Corp., move their communications off a segment of the 800 MHz band. Then, Nextel says, the band should be reorganized into larger, separate segments. Nextel says the plan would result in more capacity for public safety agencies, and that it would contribute $500 million to help public safety pay for network and equipment adjustments the reorganization could cause. But Nextel's plan would also result in giving the company an additional 16 MHz of spectrum at no cost, a result that many other wireless companies oppose. Also, FedEx said it would cost about $100 million for it to move out of the 800 MHz band. Nextel did not propose to subsidize moving costs for corporate customers. Wall Street Journal Wireless Operators, Suppliers Form Interopereability Alliance Nearly 200 mobile operators, device and network suppliers, information technology companies and content providers announced the formation of the Open Mobile Alliance (OMA). The group said its charter is to: deliver responsive and high-quality open standards and specifications based upon market and consumer requirements; establish centers of excellence for best practices and conduct interoperability testing, including multi-standard interoperability to ensure a seamless wireless experience; create and promote a common industry view on an architectural framework; and be the catalyst for the consolidation of standards fora and work in conjunction with other existing standards organizations and groups such as the IETF, 3GPP, W3C and JCP. The Open Mobile Architecture initiative and the WAP Forum joined to create the foundation for this new organization while the Local Interoperability Forum, MMS Interoperability Group, SyncML Initiative and Wireless Village Initiative through Memorandums of Understanding, have announced their intent to consolidate with the Open Mobile Alliance. 410 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 15, 2002 0:20pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The joint Springfield (Mo.) and Greene County 800 MHz trunked radio system will be completed by the end of June and will begin serving the City Utilities, city public safety agencies, the sheriff and county highway department. The $18.5 million, 7-site, 18-channel digital system will accommodate another 7 county agencies and 12 rural fire protection districts later in the year. The simulcast system will eventually support 1,750 mobile and portable radios and cover 675 square miles using 16 Centracom Elite consoles. -------------------------- The Alabama state legislature approved a 2003 budget for the Department of Public Safety that includes funding for a mobile data system and portable radio system that will increase coverage from the current 65% to 95%. -------------------------- Pennsylvania Gov. Mark Schweiker signed legislation to allow law enforcement officers to record the audio portion of vehicle stops. Previously, the law allowed only silent video to be recorded from in-car cameras. Oddly, the State Homeland Security Director Earl Freilino put a terrorism spin on the legislation, saying, "Think about one of our troopers, during the course of routine patrol, happening upon and apprehending a suspected terrorist," Freilino said. "An audio recording could prove to be a powerful piece of evidence in a court of law and could strengthen a case against a defendant seeking to do harm. Audio recordings will help us keep that person behind bars and out of our communities." Oh... one more thing. An officer recording is required by the law to inform the occupants that the encounter is being recorded. -------------------------- Faced with a pirate radio violation and no was to prosecute, the city of Albuquerque has filed suit in state District Court against a man who used a police radio to make false calls, which sent units on a search for a wounded officer. The man found the radio while working on construction at an officer's home and radioed that he had shot an officer. Police said their response cost about $5,700, and they sued for that amount, plus a punitive $15,000 to $100,000 amount. "We really need to send a message," said mayor Martin Chavez 411 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 0:17pm Subject: NEXTEL VS PUBLIC SAFETY brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email COMMUNICATIONS: Nextel cell signals are blocking police and emergency communications in several locations in the mid-Hudson, agencies say. http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2002/06/17/dgnextel.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 412 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:51pm Subject: MORE ON OPEN SKY GUYS/POLITICIANS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A letter from the Senate Ethics Committee to Sen. George Allen, R-Va., shows that a Lynchburg land mobile radio company gave its 11 advisory board members about $300,000 each for a year's work. The letter, which was released by Allen's office, reveals details of the compensation given to the Com-Net Ericsson advisory board and Com-Net Ericsson's previously undisclosed sale price of $288.5 million to Tyco, owner of M/A-COM. http://www.newsadvance.com/MGBIPUN9L2D.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 413 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:56pm Subject: OPEN SKY GETS WHACKED! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is the system which Pa is spending 250 million PLUS!!! Nearly 2 years behind sked and more than 50 million dollars over budget! --------------------------------------------------------------- Interference on the digital, trunked radio communications system operated by the Orange County Transportation Authority, Orange, CA, sometimes makes it impossible for the agency to communicate with its workers within 300 feet of some wireless telephone antenna sites operated by Nextel Communications, Reston, VA.OCTA has responsibility to provide public transportation in the 797 square miles of Orange County, including 34 cities, unincorporated areas and 2.8 million residents. OCTA provides local, rail feeder and express bus transportation and “paratransit” transportation service. OCTA also provides motorist services including freeway call boxes, towing services and abandoned vehicle abatement. (“Paratransit” service is door-to-door transportation for handicapped or disabled passengers.) http://mrtmag.com/ar/radio_interference_blocks_communications/index.htm 414 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:52am Subject: ANOTHER near miss courtesy 800 mhz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Firefighters have criticized the $5.3 million Motorola system for failing in emergencies since it was brought on line in January 2001. During an April 28 house fire in the 1300 block of Emerson Street NW, a firefighter working in an attic fell through the floor. He was not injured, but his radio failed when he called for help. Firefighters working nearby heard him scream and rescued him. http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20020622-262160.htm 415 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 2:41pm Subject: LEGAL JAMMERS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Canadian military and the RCMP have been given special authorization to jam radio and cellphone signals during the G8 Summit next week and the Pope's visit to Canada in July. It's the first time police or the military have ever been allowed to block signals, an official said. The authorization allows the Department of National Defence and the RCMP to use jamming devices around Calgary and Kananaskis, Alta., from June 17 to June 29 for the summit of leaders from Group of Eight nations. They will have the same power to jam signals in Toronto from July 16 to July 31 -- the Pope is scheduled to arrive in Canada July 23 and depart July 29, with three Toronto appearances in between. RCMP spokesman Corporal Benoît Desjardins said jamming is an important part of the security measures for both events. "The RCMP must ensure the safety and security of those attending," he said yesterday. "It could be used, for example, if there was threat of a detonation of some type of a remote-controlled device. We could jam the frequencies to make sure nobody could send a signal to that bomb." He did not know, however, how the jamming would affect cell phones or commercial radio transmissions. The order, signed by the Minister of Industry on June 6, exempts the army and police from provisions of the Radiocommunication Act, which prohibits "the interference with or obstruction of radiocommunication without lawful excuse." The exemption "will provide a way to address the problematic application of the prohibitions," the order says. It specifies that "every reasonable effort shall be made to confine or restrict to the extent possible interference with or obstruction of a radiocommunication . . . to the smallest physical area, the fewest number of frequencies and the minimum duration required to accomplish the objectives of the interference or obstruction." David Warnes, a senior adviser in Industry Canada's telecommunications branch, said yesterday that it is the first time this kind of order has been granted. He added that cellphone jammers are illegal in Canada, but the department will soon release a policy on the devices. The department held public consultations on cellphone jammers last year and it is considering permitting them in theatres, hospitals and other public places. Jamming devices are also illegal in the United States, but there is a growing underground market for the devices, which can be bought for about $2,200. A survey of 2,000 people last year by Decima Research found about 50 per cent support for jammers in public places. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/printarticle/gam/20020621/U JAMMNSB2 416 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:52pm Subject: LACKAWANNA CO STADIUM PA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone have a listing of the freqs used at the Lackawanna County Stadium near Scranton, Pa? I was at a ball game last night and heard what sounded like a game official talking about which way to call a play. That was on 154.540. I heard that in my vehicle and had to get to the gate. I did not have my portable scanner with me :-( Bob WB3DYE 417 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:00pm Subject: Re: Scanner enthusiast a "menace", whose actions could help terrorists commit atrocities n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is the kind of thing I'm always afraid of happening when people carry on about how it's their god-given, constitutional, "Larry-Gass-case-says" RIGHT to monitor anything they want. Such thinking can easily lead to a slippery slope, from one's perceived "right" to hear anything, to then doing whatever you please with the information you gather. Gonna ruin it for a lot of us, especially since 9/11. I'm not saying it should, and no matter how hard you look you'll not find a bigger scanner fan than I, but that's what could easily come crashing down on us in the name of "homeland security." Hope I'm not the one who'll be able to say "I told you so," but let's all be a bit circumspect about what we divulge. Just common sense... if it's even common any more Harry Marnell http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367.htm <~~ LAPD Communications History ----- Original Message ----- From: "JERRY NONE" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 06:11 Subject: Re: Scanner enthusiast a "menace", whose actions could help terrorists commit atrocities > I just hope that he doesn't ruin the chance for the > rest of us to get that new APCO P-25 scanner on the > market. This is just like school. One person > spoiling the fun for the rest of us. > --- Victor Healey wrote: > > Scanner enthusiast a "menace", whose actions could > > help terrorists commit > > atrocities > > > > Tuesday, 25 June, 2002, 10:36 GMT 11:36 UK > > UK security details 'listed on web' > > > > The safety of the Royal Family and top politicians > > is at risk because > > classified security details are being published on > > the internet, it has been > > revealed. > > > > Radio scanning enthusiast Paul Wey is intercepting > > Special Branch and other > > communications and publishing their details on > > internet news groups, BBC > > Radio 4's Today programme has learned. > > > > An intelligence source said Mr Wey was a "menace", > > whose actions could help > > terrorists commit atrocities and may have already > > been used to counter > > police operations. > > > > [read the long story at...] > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2064000/2064388.stm 418 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:34am Subject: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The safety of the Royal Family and top politicians is at risk because classified security details are being published on the internet, it has been revealed. Radio scanning enthusiast Paul Wey is intercepting Special Branch and other communications and publishing their details on internet news groups, BBC Radio 4's Today programme has learned. An intelligence source said Mr Wey was a "menace", whose actions could help terrorists commit atrocities and may have already been used to counter police operations. [read the long story at...] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2064000/2064388.stm 419 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:46pm Subject: Re 1st & 4th amendments n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hasn't everyone noticed all the (so-far unchallenged) assaults against the first amendment under the guise of "homeland security." We certainly DO need to to our best to maintain & improve our security, but the 1st and 4th amendments are just plain being ignored. Remember how so many of use screamed bloody murder about the Miranda case, and that crooks don't DESERVE the protections those "left-wink pinko" justices gave them? Well guess what... Ashcroft and company have effectively labelled ALL OF US AS POTENTIAL CROOKS and decided we don't deserve those protections. We're all rapidly becoming the Miranda we sneered at. The shoe has been shoved onto the other foot. Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "JERRY NONE" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 07:33 Subject: Re: Re - menace - Gass - etc > Well what about the greatest amendment of all, the > first one. What about accountability? You can't > trust everybody out there!!!! > --- Bryan wrote: > > Save your money, as every agency goes to encryption > > in the name of > > "homeland security", scanners will become useless. > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Radio Scanner Discussion Forum > > [mailto:SCAN-L@...] > > On Behalf Of JERRY NONE > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:34 AM > > To: SCAN-L@... > > Subject: Re: Re - menace - Gass - etc > > > > > > Openess is better then a closed society. Buy your > > scanenrs while you > > can. > > > > -- > > FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO > > COMMERCIAL POSTS! > > Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to > > LISTSERV@... > > This LISTSERV(tm) facility provided free of > > charge by the > > University of Arkansas > > and is subject to termination without > notice > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > -- > FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! > Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... > This LISTSERV(tm) facility provided free of charge by the > University of Arkansas > and is subject to termination without notice 420 From: Timothy-Allen Albertson-KG6IRH Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:54pm Subject: Re: Re 1st & 4th amendments kg6irh Online Now Online Now Send Email Send Email I could not agree with you more, Harry. The problem with Ashcroft is two-fold. First, he was raised to be a religious zealot who knows how everyone else should think and act and seems to believe, if you disagree with him, considers you to have no rights he is bound to respect. Second, combined with this zealotry and conviction of being right, he has enough political skill, intelligence and education to put his zealotry in force to our loss. 73 de tim kg6irh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Marnell To: JERRY NONE ; SCAN-L@... ; SCANnorCAL@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: Re 1st & 4th amendments Hasn't everyone noticed all the (so-far unchallenged) assaults against the first amendment under the guise of "homeland security." We certainly DO need to to our best to maintain & improve our security, but the 1st and 4th amendments are just plain being ignored. Remember how so many of use screamed bloody murder about the Miranda case, and that crooks don't DESERVE the protections those "left-wink pinko" justices gave them? Well guess what... Ashcroft and company have effectively labelled ALL OF US AS POTENTIAL CROOKS and decided we don't deserve those protections. We're all rapidly becoming the Miranda we sneered at. The shoe has been shoved onto the other foot. Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "JERRY NONE" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 07:33 Subject: Re: Re - menace - Gass - etc > Well what about the greatest amendment of all, the > first one. What about accountability? You can't > trust everybody out there!!!! > --- Bryan wrote: > > Save your money, as every agency goes to encryption > > in the name of > > "homeland security", scanners will become useless. > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Radio Scanner Discussion Forum > > [mailto:SCAN-L@...] > > On Behalf Of JERRY NONE > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:34 AM > > To: SCAN-L@... > > Subject: Re: Re - menace - Gass - etc > > > > > > Openess is better then a closed society. Buy your > > scanenrs while you > > can. > > > > -- > > FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO > > COMMERCIAL POSTS! > > Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to > > LISTSERV@... > > This LISTSERV(tm) facility provided free of > > charge by the > > University of Arkansas > > and is subject to termination without > notice > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > -- > FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! > Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... > This LISTSERV(tm) facility provided free of charge by the > University of Arkansas > and is subject to termination without notice Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 421 From: ProzacKillerX3@... Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:25pm Subject: Re: Re 1st & 4th amendments krayzier5150 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email John Ashcroft is the most dangerous man since MacCarthy(sp?). Enough said. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 422 From: "slakebarrie" Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 1:20am Subject: Re: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED jdunfitzger Offline Offline Send Email Send Email They didn't say which news groups, does anyone know? Might be good for a laugh to see their perspective. J. ----- Original Message ----- From: worksntv@... To: n2mca@... ; SCAN-PA@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:34 AM Subject: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED .......Radio scanning enthusiast Paul Wey is intercepting Special Branch and other communications and publishing their details on internet news groups, BBC Radio 4's Today programme has learned...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 423 From: ProzacKillerX3@... Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 10:04pm Subject: Re: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED krayzier5150 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This has been reported on several shortwave yahoo groups. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 424 From: "slakebarrie" Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:10am Subject: Re: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED jdunfitzger Offline Offline Send Email Send Email And they are....? ----- Original Message ----- From: ProzacKillerX3@... To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 22:04 PM Subject: Re: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED This has been reported on several shortwave yahoo groups. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 425 From: ProzacKillerX3@... Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 10:19pm Subject: Re: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED krayzier5150 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email shortwavelistening@yahoogroups and swl@yahoogroups Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 426 From: "slakebarrie" Date: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:43am Subject: Re: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED jdunfitzger Offline Offline Send Email Send Email That's better, thanks. J. ----- Original Message ----- From: ProzacKillerX3@... To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 22:19 PM Subject: Re: WHY SCANNERS WILL BE BANNED shortwavelistening@yahoogroups and swl@yahoogroups Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 427 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 0:46pm Subject: advanced communications encryption brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The drug lords have deployed advanced communications encryption technologies that, law enforcement officials concede, are all but unbreakable. They use the Web to camouflage the movement of dirty money. They track the radar sweeps of drug surveillance planes to map out gaps in coverage. They even use a fleet of submarines, mini-subs, and semisubmersibles to ferry drugs -- sometimes, ingeniously, to larger ships hauling cargoes of hazardous waste, in which the insulated bales of cocaine are stashed. "Those ships never get a close inspection, no matter what country you're in," says John Hensley, former head of enforcement for the U.S. Customs Service. Most of the cartels' technology is American-made; many of the experts who run it are American-trained. High-tech has become the drug lords' most effective counter-weapon in the war on drugs -- and is a major reason that cocaine shipments to the United States from Colombia hit an estimated 450 tons last year, almost twice the level of 1998, according to the Colombian navy. http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,41206,00.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 428 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Jul 3, 2002 7:12pm Subject: Re: advanced communications encryption n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email If all that is really true (hmmmm, a bit of histrionics thrown in for good measure?) I guess we could assume the same for the Al Queda types. HOMELAND SECURITY! HOMELAND SECURITY! What color flag does Herr Ashcroft have flying today? How about tomorrow? I'm on high alert, of course. Absolutely no idea what I'm on high alert FOR, but am drinking extra coffee every hour to maintain my readiness to, to, ... to be ready. hm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 09:46 Subject: advanced communications encryption > The drug lords have deployed advanced communications encryption technologies > that, law enforcement officials concede, are all but unbreakable. They use > the Web to camouflage the movement of dirty money. They track the radar > sweeps of drug surveillance planes to map out gaps in coverage. They even use > a fleet of submarines, mini-subs, and semisubmersibles to ferry drugs -- > sometimes, ingeniously, to larger ships hauling cargoes of hazardous waste, > in which the insulated bales of cocaine are stashed. "Those ships never get a > close inspection, no matter what country you're in," says John Hensley, > former head of enforcement for the U.S. Customs Service. Most of the cartels' > technology is American-made; many of the experts who run it are > American-trained. High-tech has become the drug lords' most effective > counter-weapon in the war on drugs -- and is a major reason that cocaine > shipments to the United States from Colombia hit an estimated 450 tons last > year, almost twice the level of 1998, according to the Colombian navy. > > http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,41206,00.html > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 429 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 6, 2002 1:06pm Subject: a five-year phased program brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Police Chief James M. Gallagher has recommended a five-year phased program to replace his department's 600 police radios. Chief Gallagher said his department has about 140 encrypted and 460 unencrypted radios. The estimated cost to replace all the radios is more than $1 million, he said. http://www.telegram.com/news/city/cityhall.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 430 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 3:50pm Subject: Fire Inspector Uses Scanner To Make Rescues zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/193/metro/Man_dies_in_fire_7_hurt_in_other_bla\ ze+.shtml Massachusetts 431 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jul 23, 2002 0:47pm Subject: Tech Version of National Guard brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email U.S. Senate Passes Bill to Create Tech Version of National Guard The U.S. Senate Friday passed legislation that would create a technology equivalent of the National Guard. The Science and Technology Emergency Mobilization Act, sponsored by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Sen. George Allen (R-VA) calls for teams of volunteers with technology and science expertise, organized in advance and available to be mobilized on short notice; a "virtual technology reserve" that would consist of a database of private-sector equipment and expertise that emergency officials could call upon in an emergency; a Center for Civilian Homeland Security Technology Evaluation that would serve as a national clearinghouse and test bed for innovative technologies relating to emergency prevention and response, and a Web portal to provide individuals and companies with a single point to access the center and a single point of contact at each federal agency participating in the Center for Civilian Homeland Security; and a "communications interoperability" pilot program awarding seven grants of $5 million each. The grants would help fund pilot projects to enable communications systems used by fire, law enforcement, and emergency preparedness and response agencies to work together for cross-communication in disaster situations. The House Science Committee has passed a similar version of the Senate bill in the committee's portion of the Homeland Security package. Source: Agence France-Presse Washington Post [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 432 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:19pm Subject: WYOMING CO PA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here's a list of Wyoming county Pa freqs which are being used after recently being approved by the FCC 155.730 Fire dispatch----pl 173.8 154.310 Fire 2----------------pl 156.7 155.220 Fire 3----------------pl156.7 155.955 EMS 1---------------pl131.8 155.235 EMS dispatch 1 pl141.3 155.805 EMS 2---------------pl146.2 Bob WB3DYE 433 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:32pm Subject: The Scanner Leads The Way zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.dailyrepublic.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/July/28-372\ -NEWS6.TXT Story about a firefighting family in Suisun City California. The youngest girl in the family followed into the firefighting tradition after listening to her sister and father on the family scanner. 434 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 9:44pm Subject: GA PD GOES TO 800 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Thursday will be a very quiet day for people who like to follow local police action by tuning into personal radio scanners. That is, unless they have forked out upwards of $180 to purchase a new 800 MHz trunk tracking scanner that can pick up the signals broadcast by the county's new radio system. http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/mrtmag.iclick.com/adtarget;sz=180x150;tile=4;ord =94332522? 435 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 9:56pm Subject: from dispatch news brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- Motorola signed up Cincinnati and Hamilton County for a $22.7 million, 800 MHz digital communications system that will share a common controller between the two jurisdictions. The Astro 25 Smartzone system will serve 2,200 users in emergency and non-emergency agencies. The system will include 23 Centracom Gold Series consoles at Cincinnati PD and at a as-yet constructed back-up site, 1,700 Astro XTS5000 portables and 150 mobiles. The 10-site system uses 20 channels linked by microwave atop 25 towers. -------------------------- Motorola introduced its Premier MDC 5.3.20 software for mobile data, which introduces 128-bit AES encryption for enhanced data security, enhance GPS locating capabilities, an on-screen modem status indicator, and new viewing and sorting options for address books. -------------------------- Forget dispatchers--dispatch yourself! Platte County (Mo.) officer John Glenn was on-duty, talking to his wife who worked at a gas station quickie-mart. As they talked, she said, "He has a knife." Glenn quickly drove to the scene, followed a car that his wife pointed out, stopped and arrested a man for robbery via knife. Hopefully he called in the car stop... -------------------------- All sorts of health concerns are being raised in Britain and South Africa over use of TETRA-based radios, especially those that are part of the Airwave system. The law enforcement agencies say the radios are safe, while the police unions claims their officers are suffering ailments caused by radio frequency emissions. North Yorkshire (Britain) union officials claim 20 ailments out of a force of 1,400. 436 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 0:58pm Subject: those digital lemons. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The letter to Morganthau asked for a grand jury investigation of “the abject failure of the Motorola digital radios and the resultant delays in replacing the old radios, to the point where we were using the old Motorola's on Sept. 11, and 10 months later, we are still using those old, inadequate radios,” Gorman said.Gorman said that the fire commissioner met with him immediately after receiving his letter. He said that the commissioner seemed unhappy with Gorman’s call for the dismissal of the people who gave the fire department the radios that he called “those digital lemons.”The union chief said that he sent the fire commissioner another letter on July http://industryclick.com/newsarticle.asp?Newsarticleid=458536&SiteID=3& magazineid=3&mode=print 437 From: "copscanners" Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 0:39am Subject: Cop Scanners copscanners Offline Offline Send Email Send Email FREE!! LIVE!! ONLINE!! SCANNERS!! Its a pretty neat webpage too, with loads of law enforcement links :) http://www.policehumor.com/list/in.id?id=copscan Check it out, Sorry to post a link, but I thought everyone would want to know :) ~CopScan~ 438 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:33pm Subject: QUESTION FOR NE PA LISTENERS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Has anyone heard any activity on these freqs?? Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- PW WPCP860 BLOOMSBURG FIRE DEPARTMENT BLOOMSBURG, PA [applicant is a fire association providing fire protection to the residents of the jurisdiction.] ctrl pt 1 - 911 MARKET ST BLOOMSBURG PA 570-784-1951 08/08/02 License Modified 1 - 911 MARKET ST BLOOMSBURG (COLUMBIA) PA 154.175 39' FB 50e 154.205 39' FB 50e 2 - 32 KMRA around site 1 154.175 MO 50x81.75e 154.205 MO 50x81.75e ---------- POCONO DOWNS INC WILKES BARRE, PA ctrl pt 1 - 1280 RT 315 WILKES BARRE PA 717-822-4005 1 - LUZERNE County 463.875 MO 25x5w 464.25 MO 25x5w 468.875 MO 25x5w 469.25 MO 25x5w 439 From: "copscanners" Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:02am Subject: Calling ALL Scanner Webmasters copscanners Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hey all, If you are a webmaster of any type of scanner site, please join my TOP 100 Scanner Site List at http://top100scannersites.top100.org/ I would really appreciate everyones help. If you know of anyone who has a scanner site, please could you pass the link on to them, it would hopefully be a place where everyone will go to visit the top scanner sites on the net. Thanks for your help. :) ~CopScanners~ 440 From: "frank erim" Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:44pm Subject: HELP MARIA frankerim@... Send Email Send Email Dear Sir, REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP. I am very much interested to enter into a mutual business relationship with you, after going through your profile which i got through network online. I am Mrs. Maria Kabila, the second wife of the late President of Democratic Republic of Congo Laurent Desire Kabila who was assasinated in January 16th, 2001 by one of the Security aides. I am under severe pressure from this present government headed by the first son of my late husband Joseph Kabila who felt victimised due to the incessant family problem between his biological mother and I. 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I will compensate you adequately, in fact I am willing to offer you 30% of the total sum, and please endeavour to include your telephone and fax numbers private/official for alternative contact. I do not need to remind you of the absolute secrecy and confidentiality that this transaction demands. Please direct your reply by e-mail to our family attorney, Barrister Frank Erim and discuss with him towards effective completion of this transaction. Awaiting your prompt response. Best wishes, Mrs Maria Kabila. ------------------------------------------------------------ http://Game.37.com/ <--- Free Games http://newJoke.com/ <--- J O K E S ! ! ! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- 441 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:51am Subject: Montour Co Pa brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Check out the following: In Montour Co Pa the 911 center has set up a low power link--which hears the center and the cops---acts as a repeater: 453.100 DIGITAL PL 465 Bob WB3DYE 442 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:19pm Subject: SCANNER TRAFFIC CATCHES THIEF brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A quick-thinking 15-year-old Explorer Scout helped catch a man suspected of robbing a bank, the FBI said Monday.FBI spokeswoman Lori Bailey said the unidentified youth, who is a member of a law enforcement Explorer post in Dallas, apparently heard police radio traffic that described the suspect in a robbery at the Bank of America branch in the 10000 block of Webb Chapel Road. The youth's name was not available Monday evening. http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/local/states/texas/3852904.htm 443 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 1:11pm Subject: Fw: SCANNER TRAFFIC CATCHES THIEF n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 19:19 Subject: SCANNER TRAFFIC CATCHES THIEF > A quick-thinking 15-year-old Explorer Scout helped catch a man suspected of > robbing a bank, the FBI said Monday.FBI spokeswoman Lori Bailey said the > unidentified youth, who is a member of a law enforcement Explorer post in > Dallas, apparently heard police radio traffic that described the suspect in a > robbery at the Bank of America branch in the 10000 block of Webb Chapel Road. > The youth's name was not available Monday evening. > > http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/local/states/texas/3852904.htm > > -- > FAQ: http://plaws.net/scan/scan-l.txt | NO COMMERCIAL POSTS! > Signoff: send 'unsub SCAN-L' to LISTSERV@... > This LISTSERV(tm) facility provided free of charge by the > University of Arkansas > and is subject to termination without notice 444 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Sep 9, 2002 11:23am Subject: Scanner Aids in Arrest brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email [Original Message] > From: Willard Hardman > To: SCAN DC > Date: 9/8/02 7:18:08 AM > Subject: [Scan-DC] > > > A case of cooperation by a scanner listener recently resulted in an arrest > in Oregon. A man in PW County was wanted on a number of warrants and fled > the county (and state) with his 12 year old daughter. The daughter, for > various reasons, was considered in grave danger. The situation was > broadcast on the TV Program "Most Wanted". Sheriff's deputies found a > seemingly abandoned vehicle in a wooded area near Canyonville Oregon. > > ** When the began to run the plates, a scanner listener that had watched > "Most Wanted" recognized them, and notified the sheriff's office about the > case. *** > > US Marshals placed the vehicle under surveillance and apprehended the man. > The daughter appeared safe. > > Scanner listeners do help. > > > _______________________________________________ > Scan-DC mailing list > Scan-DC@... > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/scan-dc 445 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Sep 10, 2002 11:27am Subject: Glynn county Georgia brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email As of August 1st 2002 The city of Brunswick Georgia and Glynn county Georgia are now operating on a new trunked public safety system...Both agencies are now dispatching from one location in a state of the art facility http://scanglynncounty.tripod.com/index.html 446 From: Mystic Rose Date: Wed Sep 11, 2002 4:10pm Subject: OT - 9-11 One Year Ago Today nunnie Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi Every One, First of all please accept my apologies for the "Off Topic" post. However, this is something that I feel so strongly about as my best friend lost her Uncle at the Pentagon and another of my friends is a Doctor working in NYC in the identification of the victims. On the 1 Year Anniversary of the tragedy to our country I would like to ask you to visit my 9-11 Tribute Site. http://www.nunnie.com/tribute.html Right after the tragedy to our country I created a Web Site so that we, the people, could send "Paper" cards and letters of support and encouragement to the Firemen, Policemen, Search and Rescue Dog Teams, Port Authority, Fire/Police/Emergency Dispatchers, Hospitals, Local Unions, Schools, Medical Examiners, etc at the WTC in New York. The Web Site lists the STREET addresses of all the the above New York City, Washington DC and Pennsylvania so that we can send "REAL PAPER" cards and letters by US Mail to the workers there to give them encouragement and show our support. I created this site because after the Oklahoma City Bombing the Firemen, Policemen and other Volunteers spoke of how much they appreciated all of the cards and letters of support they received from the American public. Many told of coming from the recovery site exhausted and dejected and finding hundreds of cards. They spoke of how they would sit and read them while resting before going back to work. Each and every one of them expressed how those cards uplifted their spirits and renewed their hope. Those cards helped to give them the strength to tackle the horrible job ahead of them. The Americans that have worked and are still working in this horrible situation could still really use our support and encouragement right now. So many are being very badly affected by this and these cards and letters will really help. I would like to ask you to visit this site and PLEASE send out some cards to these wonderful people. Let them know that we are still thinking of them and that we thank them for all they have done in the last year. There have already been a couple suicides as a result of this tragedy. These people could really use some lifting of their spirits. Thank you in advance to all of you who send out cards or letters and all of you who pass this on. I know these people are most appreciative as I have received several letters and cards of thanks back from the agencies as well as private letters from some of the Firemen and Policemen after sending out a Christmas Card to each and every address on my site. I intend on trying to send out a Thank You card to all the addresses again this coming week. :) Please pass this URL on to people on your E:Mail lists. The more people this goes to the more cards will go out in support of these truly heroic people. The URL is: http://www.nunnie.com/tribute.html Wishing You All The Best!!!!! Sending You :) :) :) From "Montana, USA" Mystic Rose [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 447 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Sep 14, 2002 11:27am Subject: Uniden scanners release brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: RE: [DigiScan] Uniden scanners release date set Date: 09/13/2002 7:07:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: (Ainsworth, Jennifer) To: WORKSNTV@... ('WORKSNTV@...') Mr. Reynolds, At the present time, the release date is correct, but is subject to change. Jennifer Ainsworth Media & Trade Show Manager Uniden America Corporation 4700 Amon Carter Blvd. Fort Worth, TX 76155 P: 817-858-2900 F: 817-858-3228 www.uniden.com -----Original Message----- From: WORKSNTV@... [mailto:WORKSNTV@...] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:58 PM To: Subject: Fwd: [DigiScan] Uniden scanners release date set Hello: I am forwarding this to you---Is the info correct concerning the release of the new scanners?? Regards, Robert Reynolds Senior Reporter WNEP-TV Scranton, Pa www.wnep.com ============================================ From: N2DUP@... Reply-to: DigiScan@yahoogroups.com To: digiscan@yahoogroups.com From another party ... working on confirmation, but releasing this important info anyway ... October 29 2002 is when Uniden will start production of their new digital scanners. They will be shipped to Uniden and offered for sale to the public around the third week of November. Look for them to show up in stores around the last week in November. Currently there are four prototypes making the rounds and the specs are being fine tuned. 73, Chuck, N2DUP DigiScan list owner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 448 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Sep 15, 2002 0:46pm Subject: DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ------------------------------------ The Hound is disturbed by an on-line "Government Computer News" story headlined, "Better communications could have saved lives, homeland official says." The story begins with, "The lack of an interoperable communications system for first responders could have led to the deaths of several hundred firefighters trying to save lives on Sept. 11, an Office of Homeland Security executive said today." The story quotes Charles Cape, whom the story identifies as a special assistant for wireless technology to the CIO of Homeland Security, as saying, "Police knew the buildings were going to collapse, but they could not communicate with the firefighters." He attibutes that lack of communications with the firefighters' deaths. The Hound responds: I haven't heard any direct statements that helicopter crews "knew" the towers would (or were about to) collapse. If they know, a quick phone call to FDNY would have solved the interoperability problem. And lastly, even if the FDNY chiefs had received word on a possible collapse, documented radio problems (from lobby to building) would probably have prevented a full firefighter evacuation. Let's stop tossing the word "interoperabilty" around, or we'll bruise it. -------------------------- The federal COPS program has issued an interesting 58-page guide on "Use and Mis-Use of 911," as part of its Problem-Oriented Guides for Police that cover various topics. The guide presents some basic facts and, most effectively, documents all the sources of 911 calls and ways of reducing their numbers. Download (Acrobat, pdf format, 433k) at: http://www.usdoj.gov/cops/pdf/cp_resources/guidebooks/e06021603web.pdf -------------------------- FieldSoft, Inc., announced that he Raytheon Company will bundle FieldSoft's incident command software with Raytheon's "First Responder" communication and command vehicle. You'll recall that the Ratheon vehicle, at $100,000 to $250,000 each, offers satellite and radio links for voice, video, and data, along with a gateway for interoperability. The Glynn County (Fla.) Police Department finally has a new home, moving from their 21 year-old quarters to a very attractive building that is...less prone to flooding? The new comm center went on-line Aug. 1st with an 800 MHz trunked radio system that serves the county and the city of Brunswick. Surf a story at: http://www.911Dispatch.com/glynn.html -------------------------- The FCC has granted a waiver to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey for licenses covering radio systems destroyed by the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attack. The Port Authority will have until Sept. 11, 2003 to return the WTC-based stations to operation without the risk of forfeiting the licenses for permanent discontinuance of operation. Three of the Port Authority's antenna sites were destroyed in the attack. FCC rules mandate a station's license shall cancel "automatically upon permanent discontinuance of operations," and is considered permanently discontinued if there's no operation for one year or more. The FCC chose to give them a fixed waiver period to avoid any future ambiguity. 449 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Sep 21, 2002 1:13pm Subject: LAPD codes brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email LAPD has their procedure manual on-line, including a section on communications. In particular, it explains the unit IDs and long list of radio codes the department uses (Code Thirty Roger?). Surf this long link: http://www.lapdonline.org/dept_manual/vol_4/v_4_100_1.htm 450 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:40pm Subject: Salina Kansas KS - Scannerist Locates Robber zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.saljournal.com/stories/091702/new_robber.html Thanks to www.openness.org for the URL 451 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:06pm Subject: Scanner owner leads police to armed robbery suspect n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Scanner owner leads police to armed robbery suspect http://www.saljournal.com/stories/091702/new_robber.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 452 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:45pm Subject: Comatose Officer Reacts To Scanner Calls zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.modbee.com/local/story/4391105p-5417504c.html Modesto California - a police officer is in a coma after being injured in a car wreck - a scanner has been set up next to his hospital bed to coax him out of his coma. Thanks to www.openness.org for the URL 453 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:57pm Subject: Scannerist Nabs Oxycontin Thief zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/local_regional/ashl_events09082002.htm Framingham Massachusetts - tow truck driver with a scanner hears a lookout for a robbery suspect Again - thanks to www.openness.org for the URL 454 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Sep 24, 2002 8:28pm Subject: Scanner Scares Off Robbers - Memphis Tennessee TN zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=942566 3 black guys broke into a home - took a shot at the man of the house and fled after hearing the police units dispatched to the scene (in response to the wife's 911 call) audio included Thanks to www.openness.org for the URL - please feel free to forward 455 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Sep 25, 2002 0:06pm Subject: 1966 - Austin TX - Scanner Alerted Media Of Tower Sniper zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.msnbc.com/news/615013.asp Texas - openness - feel free to forward this 456 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Oct 1, 2002 0:36am Subject: Uniden 250D ACCEPTED by FCC - Manual is online n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Check it out, link at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/digital-scanner.htm 457 From: Date: Tue Oct 1, 2002 11:14pm Subject: test slake@... Send Email Send Email please ignore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 458 From: " Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 1:59am Subject: A few more Uniden 250D images n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A few more relatively minor images have been posted to the 250D file on the FCC website. I've added them to the top of my page at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/digital-scanner.htm Still NO pictures of the 785, though, except the one rear-view showing the APCO-card slot. From the manual, it looks like the terminology they plan to use for the APCO Project 25 digital technology is just plain "APCO"... e.g., the "APCO card" etc. Nice publicity for a great organization - http://www.apcointl.org/ Harry 459 From: "radio" Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 7:49pm Subject: New Group for Scancat Software jdunfitzger Offline Offline Send Email Send Email For those of you that use Scancat software to program and control your scanners I have created a new group. To join go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Scancat/ Post message: Scancat@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: Scancat-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: Scancat-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: Scancat-owner@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 460 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 0:04pm Subject: M/A COM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email M/a-Com two ways are being used as part of the new Pa 800 Mhz digital system. Part of the M/a Com sell is that local communities can buy their gear and piggyback onto the system. The below information seems to indicate that such an expensive "purchase" is not needed by local communities. All they have to do is buy M/a Com's "patch" and operate with PSP. The info came from Dispatch News. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- -------------------------- Radio manufacturer M/A-COM Inc. has hit the road for a nationwide "Interop 2002 Tour" to explain and market its NetworkFirst, IP-based public safety radio system. The tour features a custom-built vehicle decked out with M/A-Com gear that can link to existing radio systems in the cities where the tour visits. Interop Tour 2002 starts in the northwest United States. You'll recall that M/A-Com is a unit of Tyco Electronics, which in turn is a business unit of Tyco International Ltd., which in turn has been hammered lately because of allegations of executive misconduct. -------------------------- 461 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 1:20pm Subject: DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ------------------------------------ The Hound has his paws crossed for residents of Absecon (NJ), where 4 out of 5 full-time dispatchers suddenly quit to find better-paying jobs at nearby agencies. The city and local labor union are negotiating a new contract... but without much success. Ironically, new dispatchers hired to replace the departed ones (up to 12 years of experience) are receiving pay than the lone dispatcher who decided to stay! The city hired the replacements at the top end of the $25,000 pay scale, but the lone veteran receives less than that. We'll have a better explanation (if there is one) in a future printed edition. Surf here, scroll down to the list of dispatchers and send a condolence e-mail to Derek: http://www.abseconpolice.com/Communications Bureau.html -------------------------- A story in Wireless Future magazine by Ron Bender, director of Technology Marketing for radio manufacturer M/A-COM Inc., discusses public safety radio interoperability--yes, that hot new buzzword "interop." His admits that interop has been impeded by "a number of human and technological factors," and then goes on at length to explain the latter category-- different spectrum bands, different transmission standards, and so on. The Hound notes, however, that of the 941 public safety frequencies assgned by the FCC, 67% are in the VHF/UHF bands that are interoperable--and have been for years, if only agencies would sign agreements and establish procedures for sharing. It's not the tech... it's the people. Read his side at: http://www.wirelessfuturemagazine.com/publicsafety.html -------------------------- Renewed heat in Pittsburgh (Penn.), where mayor Tom Murphy will shortly submit legislation to the city council that would merge the city's public safety dispatching operation with Allegheny County's. The mayor believes the consolidation would improve public safety responses, and would save $895,000 in the process. The mayor's plan also expects to save $2 million in necessary upgrades to the current city center. Existing city dispatchers would receive jobs at the county center, with comparable wages and benefits. The plan is opposed by at least one councilperson, who says it would lengthen response times and cut off 911 surcharge revenues the city now receives. 462 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Oct 22, 2002 10:25am Subject: sniper brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I have been on vacation for a week and had this groups e mail shut down--- I was wondering--what kind of radio traffic has been heard on the sniper shootings?? in the clear? scrambled? The media seems to be on the spot minutes after each incident--- Thanks in advance... Bob WB3DYE 463 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:56am Subject: MORE NEXTEL QRM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Cobb County, Ga., has reported interference to its 800 MHz trunked, simulcast radio system.Tracy Roberts, the radio system manager for the county, said in a written report that the county police department had complained of a lack of radio coverage at the intersection of Macland Road and Lost Mountain Road. http://iwce-mrt.com/ar/radio_cobb_county_ga/index.htm 464 From: zerg90@... Date: Sat Oct 26, 2002 8:16pm Subject: Firefighters Use Scanner To Help Bust Robbers zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.mtdemocrat.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/October/09-272\ 7-1N_01.txt California 465 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 1:03pm Subject: something for Bucks co pa folk brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: Re: [DIGITAL-SCANNING] Scanners tip media for Sniper Date: 10/26/2002 11:39:11 AM Eastern Standard Time From: llpix@... Reply-to: DIGITAL-SCANNING@yahoogroups.com To: DIGITAL-SCANNING@yahoogroups.com I had to go through Motorola got 2 xts3000 and one Spectra W5. Bucks County programmed it for free. Alex 466 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:39am Subject: DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ------------------------------------ Radio DJ Dale Sommers is being honored for his role in capturing the DC sniper suspects: he broadcast the descriptions over WLW on his "The Trunckin' Bozo" late-night show. Kentucky trucker Ron Lantz heard the information, and later spotted the vehicle in a Maryland rest area. Lantz called police... and the rest is history. Station owner Clear Channel Communications issued a statement saying it was "profoundly grateful" to the two men, and that the incident, "underscores the power of radio to support the public interest." You can catch Sommers on-line at: http://www.thebozo.com -------------------------- The Hound could have provided the information for free, but Ohio's Legislative Services Commission spent their time analyzing the $328 million state-wide public safety radio system, and concluded it will cost "tens of millions" more for local agencies to purchase gear to join the system. The system will handle 13 state agencies, but will also be available for other agencies to join--if they can come up with the money for radios and annual fee of perhaps $650 per radio. Complaints are beginning to mount that local agencies won't be able to afford the upgrade. -------------------------- Elections are just around the corner, and one candidate for sheriff in Rock Island County (Iowa) has mentioned public safety radio interoperability as an issue. Former Rock Island city police officer Angelo Anderson (Rep.) is trying to oust sheriff Mike Grchan (Dem.) after three terms. Among other things, Grchan says the different radio systems in the county should be replaced with interoperable systems to handle the county, and the cities of Rock Island, Moline and East Moline. -------------------------- The Hound would normally joke about the Reverse 911 system in Carmel (Ind.) that didn't stop making test calls at 7:30 p.m., but continued calling 5,000 residents until 6:30 a.m. to play a message from the mayor. But the seemingly trivial incident turned serious when mayor Jim Brainard asked for the resignation of comm center director Jim Kinder, claiming this was the last of several "mistakes" Kinder had made during the past several months. No word if Kinder submitted it. -------------------------- You may be familiar with the Wi-Fi wireless technology, which allows high-bandwidth, short-range connections between computers and the Internet. You may also have heard of the "Wardriver" campaign last weekend by techno-types, who drove Manhattan looking for open, unsecured and unencrypted Wi-Fi networks. Well... they found over 100, including one police station! The Wardriver group, which hopes to raise awareness of Wi-Fi network security issues, doesn't access the networks, but simply logs the signal and other technical information, and will eventually compile a report on their findings. -------------------------- RACOM Corporation and Central Communications, integrators for Dataradio Corp. products, recently signed contracts for mobile data: the former by the Umatilla (Ore.) Tribal Police Department (32 Kbps with GPS on UHF), and the latter by Morristown (Tenn.) for use by Central Communications (25.6 Kbps on 800 MHz for 20 law enforcement vehicles). Dataradio will also upgrade the current mobile data system in Bullhead City (Ariz.) from 19.2 Kbps to 32 Kpbs on UHF and 800 MHz. ================================================ 467 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 6:24am Subject: Ready for this? 250D gets NEW FCC ID Number n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Yep, that's right. The BC250D handheld has been given a new FCC ID Number - presumably someone decided that its specs were significantly different from the 785D (I hate to say it but I told ya so). Wonder if this will add another delay to shipment of the units already in the pipeline? Updated info at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/digital-scanner.htm Thanks to "Shaun in Southern California" for the heads-up on this! Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/digital-scanner.htm 468 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 0:39pm Subject: the state's new $320 million radio system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email COLUMBUS -- Linking police and fire departments to the state's new $320 million radio system could cost taxpayers millions of additional dollars, according to a nonpartisan study. Lawmakers already have criticized the system as too costly. http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=976 469 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 0:40pm Subject: disrupting Camden County's communications system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A Boston-area TV station's new 24-hour-a-day digital signal is disrupting Camden County's police communications system, threatening public safety by drowning out calls from officers to central dispatch in certain kinds of weather. http://www.southjerseynews.com/issues/november/m110102a.htm 470 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:08pm Subject: Scanner, Good fortune, CPR training save life zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/local/4427894.htm 471 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:14pm Subject: Undercover Scannerista zerg90@... Send Email Send Email Cape May New Jersey NY openness ---------- http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/cape/102902TAYLOROCT29_3RD_4TH.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 472 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:29pm Subject: Tip from Scannerist Nets Hit and Run Killer zerg90@... Send Email Send Email Montana MT openness ---------- http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?tl=1&display=rednews/2002/10/31/build/l\ ocal/94-hitandrun.inc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 473 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:35pm Subject: More on the Bust of the Snipers zerg90@... Send Email Send Email This article says that Police Chief Moose gave out the registration one hour before the car was spotted. It also says that the rest area attendant heard a lot of activity on his scanner which caused him to spot the truckers blocking the ramps. Maryland MD openness ---------- http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=345677 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 474 From: zerg90@... Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:40pm Subject: More Scanner Stories zerg90@... Send Email Send Email Police agencies make plans in case sniper strikes here Hagerstown Morning Herald, MD - 22 Oct 2002 ... Mades said he hopes when people hear about a shooting over the police scanner, they use caution in assuming it is related to the sniper attacks. ... (you have to pay to read the rest of this now) Police briefs Monterey County Herald, CA - 27 Oct 2002 ... A Friday search of Garlow's home turned up marijuana, drug paraphernalia and a police scanner. While searching the home, a sheriff's .. openness 475 From: "radio" Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:57pm Subject: Re: Undercover Scannerista jdunfitzger Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Nice annual salary on the dude. Is that typical or a typo? J. "Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970 ----- Original Message ----- From: zerg90@... To: scan-l@... ; sonofrcma@onelist.com Cc: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 18:14 PM Subject: Undercover Scannerista Cape May New Jersey NY openness ---------- http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/cape/102902TAYLOROCT29_3RD_4TH.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 476 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 1:24am Subject: New Digital Scanner "Fact Sheet" from Uniden n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Links to .pdf (requires Adobe "Acrobat"® reader) and jpg (all browsers) versions at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/digital-scanner.htm - includes new expected release dates.. Harry 477 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 1:02am Subject: Uniden pushes dates back to January on both scanners n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email < sigh > The saga continues, at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/digital-scanner.htm Harry 478 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:03am Subject: BOTH new Uniden Owners' manuals online n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The "final" version Owners Manuals for the BC785D and the 250D are now online in "Adobe Acrobat" (.pdf) format. Download from http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/digital-scanner.htm or directly from Uniden's site. Enjoy! Harry 479 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:06pm Subject: Scanner Saves At Least 2 From Tornadoes zerg90@... Send Email Send Email Alabama - mother in law with scanner alerts her daughter and son of impending danger ---------- http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl\ ?/base/news/1037096154154960.xml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 480 From: zerg90@... Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:07pm Subject: Scanner Saves At Least 2 From Tornadoes zerg90@... Send Email Send Email Alabama - mother in law with scanner alerts her daughter and son of impending danger ---------- http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl\ ?/base/news/1037096154154960.xml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 481 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:18pm Subject: LUZERNE CO PA NEW FREQ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email 159.645---low power repeater for the luzerne co fairgrounds---license in the name of Joe Scheff--Luzerne co's 911 tech guy--- Bob 482 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 11:23am Subject: LAPD's new digital, non-trunked radio brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From Dispatch News -------------------------- Everything you'd ever want to know about LAPD's new digital, non-trunked radio system is now posted on a private scanner Web site. It includes a map of the department's bureaus and divisions, frequencies, etc. And yes, the Hound did note that the "valley breakaway" ballot measure didn't pass last week, so LAPD's new comm center out in the San Fernando valley will still be useful. Surf: http://www.freqofnature.com/lapd.htm -------------------------- 483 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 1:27pm Subject: Atlantic County N.J new $6 million emergency radio network brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Atlantic County's new $6 million emergency radio network that allows all county police, fire and emergency personnel to communicate with each other is up and running, officials said Thursday. Most county agencies and Northfield, Longport, Ventnor, Egg Harbor City, Brigantine, and Galloway and Egg Harbor townships are using the system, they said, and more municipalities in the county will join the network as soon as possible. http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/atlantic/111502COMMUNICATE_N15.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 484 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 5:15pm Subject: Scanner Saves 1 From Tornado - Tennessee zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/lifestyles_columnists/article/0,1406,KNS_337_1548536\ ,00.html 485 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:11pm Subject: Sentinel & Enterprise zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/Stories/0,1413,106%257E4994%257E1004781,00.\ html 486 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:37pm Subject: Ocean County,NJ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Ocean County officials met with representatives of the Federal Communications Commission in Washington Wednesday to discuss interference on radio frequencies used by the county's public safety dispatchers.The county broadcasts on 16 pairs of channels using four towers. The dispatchers communicate with sheriff's officers, paramedics, nine municipal police departments and prosecutor's officers as well as road and bridge crews http://www.app.com/app2001/story/0,21133,640982,00.html 487 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:38pm Subject: police officer listening to his police scanner brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email An alert off-duty Kalama police officer listening to his police scanner helped nab a couple of robbery suspects. John Clemens Shangin, 19, Kelso, and Garrick Christopher Wall, 18, Castle Rock, were arrested early Friday morning on suspicion of robbing the Subway restaurant in Kalama. http://www.tdn.com/articles/2002/11/16/area_news/news03.txt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 488 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 2:05pm Subject: scanners listeners help police brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email a combination of strong police work and sightings by area residents listening to the police scanner allowed police to tighten the noose around Graham as he fled, before he was finally taken into custody on Brooks Road. Sgt. Robert Brennan and Officer Wade Wright of the Ashburnham Police Department assisted. http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/Stories/0,1413,106%257E4994%257E1004781,0 0.html 489 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 0:23pm Subject: pro 95 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I see the Pro 95 is on sale for 149 dollars...My TV station is thinking of buying 10 so every crew has a scanner. Does it read out pl's? Can you put pl's/dpl's in?? Any input would be appreciated! Bob Reynolds Senior Reporter WNEP-TV Scranton,Pa 490 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 3:50pm Subject: more 800 mhz woes brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The Honolulu Police Department had to go to its backup system Monday while they tried to determine what troubled its radio system. The HPD radio system is reported to be back working in digital mode Monday evening. At around midday, police said they had to go a backup system. "Today, the problem was with the city-owned microwave link that connects a lot of our radio repeaters to the station," HPD Assistant Chief Robert Prasser said. "When the officers transmit on 800 megahertz it goes to a repeater and comes to the ion by microwave link. That's what we had interference with today." http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/1816034/detail.html 491 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 0:04am Subject: from dispatch news hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- Baltimore (Md.) officials met with FCC staff to discuss the 800 MHz 'Consensus Proposal,' and told them the city's public safety radio system does suffer from interference, that it cannot be retuned to other frequencies, and the city doesn't have the money to replace the gear if the FCC orders frequency reassignments. The city operates a 9-site, 28-repeater Motorola system. The city officials stressed interference reduction solutions, rather than a complete reassignment in the band. "The private benefit that returning would bring to some parties should not influence the Commission's analysis of what is essential a vital public safety issue," the group stated. -------------------------- The state of Florida has updated their M/A-Com state-wide radio Web site, noting that they continue to install radios (over 850 mobile radios installed so far), will schedule train-the-trainer classes in January, and are continuing to build new dispatch centers or renovate existing ones throughout the state. For the straight scoop, surf: http://www.myflorida.com/myflorida/sto/slers/ 492 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 0:56pm Subject: 73,000 public-safety agencies still can't talk to each other brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email More than 14 months after radio problems contributed to the deaths of New York firefighters in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, many of America's 73,000 police, fire and other public-safety agencies still can't talk to each other in major emergencies. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story& u=/usatoday/20021120/ts_usatoday/4637075 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 493 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 0:29pm Subject: THOUGHTS FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSON=FROM ANOTHER LIST brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: [PhillyScanner] Scanner Buffs vs Motorola Date: 12/12/2002 1:38:50 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Starion1@... (Lou Campagna) Reply-to: PhillyScanner@yahoogroups.com To: PhillyScanner@yahoogroups.com Motorola's quest for world domination......err, for lack of a crude comment. While this may appear to be off-topic, it is extremely vital to the future of our hobby. Within a few months public safety comms coming out of the City of Philadelphia will be difficult to monitor for many casual scanner buffs. This is already true for those who enjoy monitoring comms out of Bucks County. As technology plays catch-up, we hope that scanner manufacturers continue the pursuit to provide monitoring equipment so that we can continue to listen in on public safety communications. And I may add the benefits for responsible listeners far outweigh the few bad apples we hear through the news media during *sweeps week*. Recent comments made by the print media are pure BS! Why should we care? The reason why we ought to be concerned with the actions of Motorola is that it eventually it trickles down to the scanner listener. If Motorola continues to push this all-exclusive mentality regarding only OEM parts, accessories, software, proprietary trunking protocol, etc., it limits our ability to monitor comms in the future. Keep in mind that Motorola has taken on a new direction. They're no longer in the *radio* business but in the *information* biz. As more and more municipalities buy into the Motorola trap, they limit themselves into every aspect of what we've were taught to do. A truly universal open-type radio system that can be built upon without the restrictions imposed by many large communication companies is what every municipality should be looking for. It's cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, has re-sale value higher than what is being offered by Big M, and in my opinion safer for the user as in reliability for communications. K.I.S.S. principle applies here. Keep It Simple Stupid. I'm specifically targeting Motorola because they seem to be the largest radio system manufacturer and they also are the ones who design the newer digital trunked radio systems protocols we see today. 1. Public Safety agencies are placing all their eggs in one basket...diversify is what we want to do but today's newer systems don't allow this capability. 2. Outages are system wide not isolated areas. I hate to have my safety & welfare rely on a single comms system There's just too much at stake. 3. Systems are not compatible and users are now locked into OEM equipment ONLY, provided by exclusive dealers ONLY. Doesn't sound fair to me. 4. Hardware (radio equipment) has NO VALUE for conversion. Thinking of dumping your current Motorola trunked system for a good old fashion conventional system. Motorola says," Bye, Bye!! Your now the proud owner of millions of dollars of worthless infrastructure." Keep in mind that Mr Taxpayer paid for the stuff. Hey, that's me and you! 5. Individual departments cannot look for the "best price". May not be an issue for those wealthy municipalities but for those rural guys, raising $$$ is a difficult task. Keep in mind that in no way would I ever consider jeopardizing the safety of a police officer or FF/Medic because of the inability of keep some sensitive communications private. There are many add-on devices that can keep comms secure. But as far as a general dispatch and response, this type of communications must be kept open to the public. Private PD are a whole different senario. For instance, Temple University's Police Department comms can maintain a closed system if they desire, since they don't serve the general public directly. Freedom is taken aware by erosion, little by little, next thing you know your without knowledge of what's going. Accountability is at stake and corruption has the opportunity to flourish. Whew! I needed to get this off my back! Naturally comments pro or con are welcome publicly as well as privately. Lou Campagna Starion1@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 494 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 10:53am Subject: GOOD SCANNER ARTICLE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Our hobby of radio monitoring should not be at odds with public safety; in fact it should contribute to it. How many police officers and fire fighters choose their field of work because they listened to a radio scanner as a kid? How many radio scanner hobbyists hold a HAM Radio license? How many times have a citizen reported the location of a wanted suspect after hearing the description of the suspect over a radio scanner? http://www.freqofnature.com/ 495 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:58pm Subject: MI SHERIFF brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email DOes anyone know if there's REALLY a problem or has some radio salesman been working overtime? Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- Sheriff Mark Hackel will ask county officials in January to proceed with a $10 million to $15 million upgrade of the Sheriff's Department radio system. The plan will call for a bond sale to borrow money to finance the improvements. "This is not one of those things that will be left on the shelf," Hackel said. "If we get our own system, the communities could still 'buy into' that system, in time." http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6203162&BRD=988&PAG=461& dept_id=141265 &rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 496 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 0:28pm Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS HOUND brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- The state of Maine has signed Motorola to provide a new radio system for the state police, including Printrak CAD, mobile data and reporting, and AFIS. The software will be installed at the MSP's 4 comm centers, and 275 vehicles will be equipped with mobile terminals. The system will be implemented in three phases and should be completed by mid-2003. 497 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 0:32pm Subject: LIST OF SCANNER CALLS IN PAPER brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email You've got to wonder if this was a one time article or will it continue? Bob WB3DYE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Did you hear what we heard? Although not complete, here is a chronicle of part of a white Christmas Day in the Wyoming Valley as heard on our police scanner. http://www.timesleader.com/mld/thetimesleader/news/4813604.htm 498 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:18pm Subject: READING PA GOING DIGITAL brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email By Keith Mayer Reading Eagle The city police and fire departments expect to change over to a state-of-the-art digital radio system in January that will not allow anyone to immediately monitor their communications.“There's a lot of people who are going to be unhappy, but it had nothing to do with the switch,” police Lt. Lorrin N. Young said.Young said he knows many people who monitor police calls as a hobby, but they will not be able to do that until new technology is developed for a police scanner. http://www.readingeagle.com/re/news/1074659.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 499 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 10:40am Subject: ANOTHER ARGUEMENT AGAINST "CLOSED" SYSTEMS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Concern was raised because scanners made information about the delays public immediately, and because one of the individuals who needed care, a 15-year-old Milbank student, was later declared dead at St. Mary's Healthcare Center. Justin Maass was in cardiac arrest when emergency medical response personnel arrived. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6408690&BRD=1130&PAG=461& dept_id=99675&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 500 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:14pm Subject: Cambria County’s 911 radio dispatch brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email EBENSBURG – A federal agency has revoked Cambria County’s 911 radio dispatch licenses, and emergency management officials now are scrambling to get them back. Three wireless licenses for emergency radio communications expired last summer and were not renewed. They since have been canceled by Federal Communications Commission, the federal agency that regulates broadcasting http://www.tribune-democrat.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6534441&BRD=2332&PAG=461& dept_id=484742&rfi=8 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 501 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 1:49pm Subject: interesting site for scanner fans and hams brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email To the list: A friend of mine from Kingston passed this onto me...It's an interesting site for those of us who are into ham radio and scanners.. Bob http://www.pa-sitrep.com/ 502 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 8:02pm Subject: the first consumer digital scanners shipped to retailers. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hobbyists who listen in on police chases or ambulance runs with scanners have been frustrated in recent years as emergency departments increasingly switch to digital communications. For them, Tuesday brought some good news, as the first consumer digital scanners shipped to retailers. http://www.heraldsun.com/state/6-304497.html 503 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 11:25am Subject: SULLIVAN CO PA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email It's my understanding that most of Sullivan county's emergency units have switched from low-vhf to high vhf. Fire dispatch is 154.130 and fireground is 154.070. Both are repeaters. I believe the PL is 167.9 Anyone hearing any activity? Bob R 504 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 10:36am Subject: From DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ------------------------------------ A hearty "Congratulations!" to pioneering radio company E.F. Johnson Co., which is marking its 80th year of serving the wireless community, including public safety. At the same time, Transcrypt International is marking its 25th year of marketing encryption products. You'll recall that EFJ was formed in Minnesota as a mail-order firm by Edgar and Ethel Johnson--using Edgar's parents' home! EFJ was purchased several times, but most recently by Transcrypt in 1997, and the name took a back seat to Transcrypt. Ironic, then, that the company decided to revert back to its roots, renaming the entire company in June 2002 as "EFJ Inc.," with EFJohnson Company and Transcrypt International Inc. as subsidiaries. -------------------------- A long letter by New York City Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta appeared in the department's newsletter, detailing the department's work on the radio system, "an issue I know is on the minds of nearly every member of the department." He said a group of experts came to two conclusions: "It's not the radios. It's the comm system," and "Nobody in the world in fact has been able to develop such an infrastructure that is 100% reliable-- especially in high rise buildings and 'sub grade' locations like tunnels, subways & basements." He said short and long-term plans have been created, and that the portable fireground radios are "only a small part of a much larger solution." He mentions "larger solution" several more times, as well as "robust network," "strong backup," and "reliable and redundant network." Sounds like he's trying to slow down any expectations of a quick--or even soon--fix for radio problems. -------------------------- APCO is internally distributing a very informative bi-weekly "communiqué" to its executive council members, and posting it behind a password on its Web site. The Sept. 17th edition was posted in the open, and revealed lots of interesting info that you didn't read in their publication. Here are the highlights, but surf yourself before it disappears: http://www.apco911.org/council/execreport/execreport9-18-2002.htm --Besides $3.75 million from the PSAP Readiness Fund, the APCO Foundation has received donations from "the Virginia Chapter of APCO and Frederick Griffin," raising the odd question: Is the Virginia Chapter eligible for a grant? Mr. Griffin is a long-time consultant on radio engineering matters. --APCO is paying the DC-based public relations firm MDB Inc. a $15,000 retainer each month to, "improve APCO's overall marketing, public relations and communications strategies." They worked extensively on the annual conference, former mayor Rudi Giuliani's appearance at the conference, and APCO Institute marketing. Read more about the arrangement on the Web page. --The association established an "interim" Washington (DC) using donated space subleased from MDB, Inc., and are looking for a permanent home for a Director of External Affairs. -------------------------- No, the Hound has not forgotten Fauquier County (Virg.), who decided to build a $10.4 million 800 MHz trunked radio system, despite the objections of citizen-experts who said it didn't suit the rolling terrain and was overkill for the county's public safety agencies. Well, the county is still wrestling with tower sites, spending $200,000 to buy land and build a new tower, building a 300-foot tower on existing land, and dropping plans for two other towers because of lease issues. Does this mean the system cost is slowly creeping upward? 505 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 11:59am Subject: DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ------------------------------------ Whoa! The monthly "Consumer Reports" magazine has published a long article focusing on the nation's 911 system, particularly access via wireless phones. The magazine surveyed its on-line subscribers, and found that 15% had trouble reaching someone after dialing 911. "For most of those, a weak signal, a bad connection, or some other phone-system problem seemed to have caused the trouble," the magazine noted. "Trouble for the remaining respondents apparently involved the emergency system: excessive rings, unanswered calls, or being left on hold." They didn't mention the exact breakdown of the statistics for these conclusions. The report then beat the drum last played by the Wireless Consumer Alliance: handsets should attempt to dial 911 using any available carrier, not just the user's subscribed carrier. Their short field test in Indiana and New York stated showed that not all 911 calls go through, even when an alternate carrier's signal is stronger. And then Consumer Reports reported, "What Needs To Be Done," including, "The 911 system needs fixing." They claimed, "The FCC's 911 regulation is out of date for today's wireless phones." The story quoted NENA's Roger Hixson saying the regulation defies "general common sense." The magazine also said the FCC needs to impose higher standards for the wireless 911 system, and must ensure that digital phones are more compatible. Surf the entire story at: http://www.911Dispatch.com/consumer_rpts.html -------------------------- After receiving public comments, the FCC has granted a waiver request from Fort Lee (NJ) to use six non-public safety frequencies in the 470 MHz band to support its public safety agencies, replacing 9 simplex VHF frequencies for police and fire operations. The city, which is just across the river from NYC, told the FCC that its radio system was overloaded and has dead spots, and proposed operating a trunked system on the channels. They promised to give up the VHF frequencies if the waiver were granted. No opposing comments were filed, and the FCC agreed to the waiver. -------------------------- A big "Oops!" in Cambria County (Penn.), where radio officials forgot to renew their radio licenses last June-August, and the FCC subsequently cancelled them. Even worse, county commissioners found out about the cancellations from a newspaper, who then telephoned county emergency services director Michael Hoover for his comment. Turns out he found out on Dec. 20th from a Motorola dealer, but didn't inform his bosses about the situation. "We’ll be taking care of the situation," Hoover told a reporter. Hoover claimed he didn't receive the renewal notices, but FCC officials told the reporter that three renewal notices were mailed to the correct address. Oh, why didn't Hoover mention the problem to higher-ups? He said, "Our concern with publicity is that someone could beat us to the punch and apply for these frequencies. We’re getting the licenses renewed, but we have to keep this quiet for a while." Seems the spectrum wars have begun... -------------------------- Panasonic announced price reductions on its line of Toughbook laptop computers, which are the most common model used in public safety mobile data systems. Take another look at: http://www.panasonic.com/toughbook ================================================ Send us your news to Hound@... or fax (510) 558-3109 506 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 0:37pm Subject: track Yahoo Group users around the net brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Anyone who is in a Yahoo group needs to read this. Yahoo may be taking advantage of the new Homeland Security measures set up for ISPs to Monitor the net....At least for now Yahoo has an "Opt Out" of their "Web Beacons" Trackers. This has been posted (note that you must opt out on every browser you use with Yahoo): This means every computer that you use with Yahoo. Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo Group users around the net and see what you're doing - similar to cookies. Take a look at their updated privacy statement: >http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html About! half-way down the page, in the section "Outside the Yahoo! Network", you'll see a little "click here" link that will let you opt- out of their new method of snooping. I recommend doing this. Once you have clicked that link, you are opted out. Notice the "Success" message at the top of the next page. Be careful, because on that page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button that, if clicked, will *undo* the opt-out. -------------------- Rich Loether Snail Mail: University of Pittsburgh EMail: rjl@... Network Services Voice: (412) 624-6429 600 Epsilon Drive FAX: (412) 624-6436 Pittsburgh, PA 15238 Without Prejudice, UCC 1-207 finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key Key Fingerprint 53 76 0B 73 DF 5C D9 14 D0 C3 68 20 DE 4F 60 C0 507 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 0:39pm Subject: western NY brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Can anyone on the list explain why the current sustem is "bad"? Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erie County Executive Joel Giambra is planning to allocate $16,000 to purchase frequency licensing for a radio system geared toward improving public safety. The funding will be used to buy an 800 MHz radio system from RCC Consultants, Giambra's office said. The radio system will assist law enforcement agencies, fire departments and emergency medical services personnel http://buffalo.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories/2003/01/06/daily17.html 508 From: Bill Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:56pm Subject: Re: [911dispatcher] track Yahoo Group users around the net MFDResq1@... Send Email Send Email this is old NEWS it been well over a yaer since they started this its no big deal another name for them a COOKIES alot of sites use these to track the amount of vistors to there site just check out your Temporary Internet Files and see how many you have Bill 509 From: RICK BORGMAN Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:17pm Subject: Re: [PRO-2067] track Yahoo Group users around the net rborgman@... Send Email Send Email under the new legislation everything you do is now tracked deposits, withdrawals, credit cards, phones, especially wireless, Yahoo's little help is meaningless in the big picture. Forget about any privacy, ANY PRIVACY. At 10:37 AM 1/10/2003, worksntv@... wrote: >Anyone who is in a Yahoo group needs to read this. > >Yahoo may be taking advantage of the new Homeland Security measures >set up for ISPs to Monitor the net....At least for now Yahoo has >an "Opt Out" of their "Web Beacons" Trackers. > >This has been posted (note that you must opt out on every browser >you use with Yahoo): This means every computer that you use with >Yahoo. > >Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo >Group users around the net and see what you're doing - similar to >cookies. Take a look at their updated privacy statement: > > >http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html > >About! half-way down the page, in the section "Outside the Yahoo! >Network", you'll see a little "click here" link that will let you opt- >out of their new method of snooping. I recommend doing this. Once >you have clicked that link, you are opted out. Notice the "Success" >message at the top of the next page. Be careful, because on that >page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button that, if clicked, will *undo* >the opt-out. > >-------------------- >Rich Loether Snail Mail: University of Pittsburgh >EMail: rjl@... Network Services >Voice: (412) 624-6429 600 Epsilon Drive >FAX: (412) 624-6436 Pittsburgh, PA 15238 >Without Prejudice, UCC 1-207 >finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key >Key Fingerprint 53 76 0B 73 DF 5C D9 14 D0 C3 68 20 DE 4F 60 C0 > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >PRO-2067-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 510 From: ProzacKillerX3@... Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:21pm Subject: Re: Re: [PRO-2067] track Yahoo Group users around the net krayzier5150 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Thanks to Mr. Bush and Mr. Ashcroft, many of of our rights were tossed out the door. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 511 From: rsh@... Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 0:37am Subject: Re: Track Yahoo Group users around the net rsh@... Send Email Send Email Read carefully, this has to be done multiple times IF you use more than one computer and/or more than one browser. I use two computers and three browsers... RSH -------------- Wording from Yahoo is as follows: "Note: This opt-out applies to a specific browser rather than a specific user. Therefore you will have to opt-out separately from each computer or browser that you use. " On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:37:19 EST, you wrote: >Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo >Group users around the net and see what you're doing - similar to >cookies. Take a look at their updated privacy statement: > >>http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html > >About! half-way down the page, in the section "Outside the Yahoo! >Network", you'll see a little "click here" link that will let you opt- >out of their new method of snooping. I recommend doing this. Once >you have clicked that link, you are opted out. Notice the "Success" >message at the top of the next page. Be careful, because on that >page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button that, if clicked, will *undo* >the opt-out. R.S. (Bob) Heuman - Toronto, ON, Canada =================================================== or Copyright retained. My opinions - no one elses... If this is illegal where you are, do not read it! 512 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 1:05pm Subject: BC-250D online brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email hello: I picked this up an another list and throught you may be interested in hearing about this site. Bob WB3DYE ---------------------------------- Hi All, For those that don't have a BC-250D or haven't tried listening to APCO P25 audio we have placed a BC-250D online with live audio from the City of Chesapeake Virginia 800 Mhz Motorola Type II system. Radio is using rubber ducky antenna sitting on a shelf. It is located about 5 miles from the Chesapeake City line in Virginia Beach Virginia. Scanner is listening to the system in ID search mode so you will hear everything on the system. This is a mixed mode system. 99% of the Police is P25 Digital, the Fire and EMS are mostly analog. This should provide a good comparison between how the audio sounds between digital mode and analog mode. Radio will be online for a limited amount of time (Unless Uniden would like to sponsor the site and provide a radio :-) Go to; http://www.hrconnect.com/ Select "Live Audio" link of the left side then scroll down to the "Chesapeake Police Dispatch". A good resource for the Chesapeake Police Radio 10-20 etc is; http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Guild/3528/ This is an MP3 stream and works well with Winamp and Windows Media player. Enjoy and comments/questions are welcome .. Jim <:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:> Jim Conrad - jjc@... or jimc1790@... 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Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 11:41pm Subject: first consumer digital scanners brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hobbyists who listen in on police chases or ambulance runs with scanners have been frustrated in recent years as emergency departments increasingly switch to digital communications. For them, last week brought some good news, as the first consumer digital scanners shipped to retailers. http://www.poconorecord.com/local/tdo64015.htm 516 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 11:53pm Subject: anyone know abt this system? western Pa brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Ross officials are balking at a request to dish out $50,000 to $60,000 for new radio equipment sought by Newcom Emergency Communications. Ross is the only one of the emergency dispatch system's 17 member communities that is not on the Newcom UHF channel. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > 519 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:59pm Subject: phoenix scanner audio brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Listen to news as it happens by tuning into the azcentral.com police and fire scanners. Similar to a scanners used in The Arizona Republic newsroom by police reporters, the azcentral.com version tunes in Phoenix and East Valley police and fire frequencies http://www.azcentral.com/news/scanner.html 520 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 0:10am Subject: a major reason not to encrypt brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email He provided personal service at one notable accident in the mid-1990s. A tanker had overturned on N.C. 16 North and started a spectacular fire that spread to nearby houses. Stickley, monitoring fire frequencies in the WSOC-FM truck, learned firefighters were low on foam. http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/columnists/mark_washburn/ 4922720.htm 521 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:51am Subject: Pima Community College in Tucson, Arizona, brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Pima Community College in Tucson, Arizona, recently accepted its newly installed 800 MHz conventional ASTRO® digital radio communications system, greatly enhancing coverage in a 210-square-mile, multi-campus area. The Pima College system is part of Motorola’s (NYSE:MOT) extensive portfolio of integrated communications and information solutions to address mission-critical public safety and security requirements worldwide. The Pima College Police Department made the decision to upgrade its previous radio communications system in early 2001 to improve in-building coverage and to accommodate the continued expansion of Pima College’s satellite campuses throughout the Tucson metropolitan area. http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,2267_1850_23,00.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 522 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:24am Subject: Coast Guard: Don't use cell phone in emergency brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Fishermen in trouble on the high seas can dial *CG on a cellular phone to call for help, but the U.S. Coast Guard is encouraging boaters to use a marine band VHF radio as the primary way to report distress. *CG is a system that has been implemented by individual cellular phone companies as a means of contacting the Coast Guard in case of emergency. Using this system, boaters in distress can dial *CG on their cellular phones to contact a local Coast Guard operations center. The Coast Guard, however, doesn’t guarantee cellular phone signal coverage on the high seas, nor does it force or encourage cellular phone companies to set up a *CG program for their network. http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/01172003/news/8060.htm 523 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:26am Subject: DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ------------------------------------ A great story from the Sumner County (Kan.) E911 Communications Center: dispatcher Sandy Dvorak received one of those typical "fanny" wireless phone calls--she heard two persons calmly talking about a male friend and "his inability to drive." She also heard the sounds of a local radio station in the background. Thinking fast, Dvorak called the station and explained the situation to the DJ, who in-between records told his listeners, "If you're driving around talking about a friend that can't drive, please check your cell phone...it dialed 911." The DJ also gave listeners some advice to lock their keypads--thank you. Dvorak heard the DJ's comments on the 911 connection, and within a couple of minutes the connection ended. -------------------------- Anne Arundel County (Md.) will take up to a year and spend $12.7 million to upgrade their Motorola 800 MHz trunked radio system from. The local police union says that dead spots have long caused officer safety problems--a 1999 study ID'd eight specific areas, each having a nearby tower. Technicians say the likely culprit is the increase in other radio system interference, including wireless phone base stations. Now, they say, there are 62 dead spots. On the improvement list: upgrade gear at at four tower sites, triple the system's digital microwave backbone, license 16 new radio frequencies, and distribute 1,100 radios and 100 vehicle repeaters. Nearby Howard County is nearing completion on a $26.6 million 800 MHz trunked radio system Motorola system, and Harford County is half-way through its $23 million radio system upgrade. -------------------------- Ah, the power of the Internet: Colorado dispatcher and entrepreneur Jeff Scott has debuted his PremiseLink.com Web site, which allows business owners to post emergency contact information, and PSAPs to register to retrieve it using a password. "I am constantly dealing with the problem of missing or inaccurate premise information for local businesses," Scott said in e-mail. He notes that business owners can select what names and contact phone numbers to post, allows them to update at any time, and allows any authorized dispatchers to retrieve it via the Web. PSAPs pay a small annual fee, but the service it free for businesses. Surf here and use "sample" for any username and password to get a feel for the site: http://www.PremiseLink.com -------------------------- New World Systems has signed on Kendall County (Ill.) for an $800,000 public safety software system that includes the company's multi-jurisdictional Aegis Records Management, Corrections Management, Business Office, Field Reporting, Imaging and Data Management and Retrieval tools, and other modules. Sheriff's officials said they selected New World Systems in part because they can implement--and pay for--the system in phases: they'll initially implement records management, then move to mobile data and CAD. Phase 3 involves consolidated dispatching for 23 agencies. The county sheriff has 100 deputies handling 50,000 incidents a year from 65,000 residents. 524 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:21am Subject: Highway Patrol dispatcher/ North Carolina family's dog. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A veteran Tennessee Highway Patrol dispatcher, Shannon Pickard, has received a written reprimand and eight hours of crisis management training for his role in events leading to the police shooting of a North Carolina family's dog. Two other dispatchers, Brian Brock and Timothy McHood, who were involved in the Jan. 1 shooting of Patton, a mixed-breed bulldog, were ordered to receive the same crisis management training. http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/03/01/27816872.shtml 525 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:37am Subject: LANSING MICH brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A long-awaited upgrade to Ingham County's 911 emergency communications system may not be as near as many police, fire and medical personnel hoped. http://www.lsj.com/news/local/030119_911_3b.html 526 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:42am Subject: Scanners May Be Headed For Morgue brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A Louisiana Web site could relegate that annoying scanner over on the police desk to the junk heap of outdated technology. The Caddo Parish 911 Communications District in the northwestern corner of the state runs a portal that automatically publishes details about emergency services calls http://www.mediainfo.com/editorandpublisher/headlines/article_display.jsp?vnu_ content_id=1768846 527 From: "Doug C." Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:56pm Subject: Emergency News Network BLUELITE1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dear Subscribers. I am not one to do Cross posting like this and I hope all can accept my apologies in advance. I am sending this brief note to bring to your attention a new Emergency News Network. We are like many other but w/ a major difference… We Are FREE. NJEN ( www.njen.org ) has announced the opening of ENN ( www.E-n-n.net ) ENN is covering PA Del MD NY and sections of New England region. We are currently looking for Dispatchers, Administrators and Subscribers. Please feel free to check out both web sites and also Fell free to contact myself at Co-Director@... Thank you for your time Doug Calladonato NJEN Asst Director WWW.NJEN.ORG ENN Co-Director of WWW.E-N-N.NET Nextel Direct Connect @ 168*21*2086 24/7 monitoring Atlantic County & Most Of South Jersey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 528 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:41pm Subject: Cumberland co Pa 800 mhz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email When a countywide 800 MHz radio system was proposed in 1997 for police and emergency services, it was expected to be in service by January 1999. When a countywide 800 MHz radio system was proposed in 1997 for police and emergency services, it was expected to be in service by January 1999. After years of delay the county's portion of the system is mostly in place - testing of the digital 800 MHz radio system began last summer in county buses - but it is a long way from being fully implemented. http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2003/01/26/news/news02.txt 529 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 1, 2003 9:37am Subject: The shuttle! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Those of u who are in the Fla/Texas area and have the capabilty to listen to NASA--TURN UR EQUIPMENT ON!! The shuttle disappeared from radar as it was coming in for landing!!! Regards, Robert Reynolds-WB3DYE 530 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 1, 2003 10:12am Subject: old habits brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email WINFIELD – If you've been in a Winfield ambulance sometime during the last 27 years, chances are you met a red-headed guy who didn't look old enough to drive. His name, in case you weren't introduced, is John Elliott and he spent the last 27 years as director of the Winfield Area Emergency Medical Service. Elliott retired earlier this year http://www.arkcity.net/stories/012203/com_0001.shtml 531 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 4, 2003 11:02pm Subject: AN INTERESTING "RF" SITE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.radarmatrix.com/ 532 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 4, 2003 11:04pm Subject: shuttle recovery activity brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email You can monitor some of the shuttle recovery activity by listening to the Nacogdoches W5NAC repeater on Echolink (146.66, I believe). The group is using the "WX_TALK" conference, but they request that monitoring stations do NOT connect to that conference. Instead, connect to the "EDU_NET" conference, set up for listening only. I believe the N2LEN repeater conference is also set up for monitoring. Tonight I've heard that Amateurs are being sent out with as many search teams as possible (NASA, FBI, etc). Amateur communications are working better than all others. Some donated repeaters are being brought in to supplement the existing machines, but they need some temporary tower structures. Today's crew was about 14 hams. They are talking about needing 25 or more hams daily for the next two weeks. Hams in Houston and Dallas are using Echolink to talk to the command center in Nacogdoches to coordinate recruiting hams. If you don't have Echolink, you can download it for Windows at: www.echolink.org 73, Gary KN4AQ NC PIC ARRL PR Committee kn4aq@... 533 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Feb 9, 2003 1:07pm Subject: DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ------------------------------------ Fantastic news! A UPS truck just rolled up to News Hound's doghouse and delivered in a bright red package--NENA's long-awaited "9-1-1 Status Report" and "9-1-1 System Survey and Resource Guide." An included letter from NENA executive director Terry Peters said, "Much time and effort has gone into producing this helpful guide, making it worth the wait." Over a year delayed, the Resource Guide includes chapters on PSAP operations, benchmarking, infrastructure, present and future issues, a listing of scores of government agencies and private companies doing 911 work, and a link-up to the Web with more resources that will be kept up-to-date. A quick read shows that virtually none of the information is new-- but it's information that's never been written down or compiled into a single organized publication! It's definitely a "must have" guide for your bookshelf. There's no obvious on-line way to purchase the Survey/Guide, but the Hound notes a subscription to the entire "Report Card to the Nation" was originally $250. -------------------------- OK, OK....we're all on Threat Condition Orange. -------------------------- The cities of Phoenix (Ariz.) and Mesa have formed the Phoenix Regional Wireless Network to build an 800 MHz trunked radio system for their public safety agencies. They have a very nice Web site, including a very informative slide show (click on 'Information-Links', then look for 'Presentations'). Surf: http://www.ci.phoenix.az.us/phxprwn.html -------------------------- The DOJ has published a very definitive guide on racial profiling: how to collect and analyze data to take into account all the variables. Check our "Q and A" page for the long link: http://www.911Dispatch.com/information/QandA2.html -------------------------- A news release from APCO's Automated Frequency Coordination group sorta tells us what we already knew--frequencies are hard to find. "A lack of sufficient frequencies for public safety agencies has reached a critical point for many areas of the country," the release notes. "Occasionally APCO is forced to inform an agency applicant that there are no frequencies available in a given area." APCO notes that agencies should purchase equipment before obtaining frequency licenses, lest they be "stuck with unusable equipment" and "stuck with frequency coordination charges." The AFC notes that, "The time and effort required to pre-determine frequency availability is well worth the added, but minimal cost." They advise agencies to perform pre-coordination frequency searches, either through AFC or a radio engineering service. -------------------------- OnStar will install about 400,000 so-called "Advanced Automatic Crash Notification (AACN)" systems in next year's Chevrolets, Oldsmobiles and Buicks, which are designed to send sensor data directly to the OnStar call center, who will then forward it on to emergency and hospital medical crews. An on-line TelematicsUpdate.com article has OnStar president Chuck Huber saying it's a huge step up from the current method of providing crash and medical information. Oh, the article also pointed out that AACN, "could be just the shot in the arm OnStar needs to spark a slacking telematics market." You'll recall that the economy and low consumer interest flattened the telematics market--2001 revenues were just $142.6 million vs. a forecast of billions. The Hound feels that AACN is putting the cart w-a-y before the horse, and all just to pump up revenues. OnStar should first be pushing for better integration between their call centers and PSAPs. -------------------------- One day after an investigative story on Baltimore's 311 system appeared in the 'Baltimore Sun' newspaper, the city said it's changing the way it verifies the completion of work projects. The reporter tracked 50 calls made to 311 over 3 months, and found that 8 work orders of 26 reported as "completed" actually were completed. The newspaper said the false reports contributed to statistics that made the city's public works agency appear more efficient. You'll recall that Baltimore was the first U.S. city to use 311 back in 1996, as a way of off-loading non-emergency 911 calls to the police department, which did have a non-emergency 7-digit number at the time. ================================================ News and information from the world of public safety dispatching. Copyright 2003, Allen Media. Send us your news: Hound@... or fax us (510) 558-3109. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 534 From: "John H. Guetherman " Date: Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:38am Subject: Interesting Commentary jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A copy-and-paste in it's entirety from the ScanColorado group.-John. This is from the moderator of the Openness list on Yahoo Groups, also the owner of the Openness website, http://www.openness.org. Forward this one around. It's an excellent commentary on the current state of affairs, and the need for our citizens to remain informed. John MNN-009 N3RTS Grand Junction CO _____________________________________________________________________ >From: "David Pinero" >Reply-To: Openness-owner@yahoogroups.com >To: >CC: >Subject: [Openness] 8 out of 10 on the attack scale.... >Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:48:31 -0500 > > >The night before last I'm clacking away at the PC subliminally listening to the police scanner at the same time. At one point a deputy tells another that his drug operation is going to be hampered because "they called in all the dogs" for the "other" need or operation. He later referenced them as bomb sniffers. I knew they were probably talking about something terrorist related, took caution, and then moved on. Yesterday they raised the security level from yellow to orange, and today Tom Ridge pointed out that the threat was like 8 on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of likelihood or credibility of militant attack. > >Then I thought back to the scanner chatter and it occurred to me how lucky I was to be living in an open broadcasting area. Part of Homeland Security's point in making the color coding thing relevant is to enable citizens to adhere to greater diligence and due cause procedures. Thinking about it, among those who can, that includes keeping the scanner on! If there's an attack at that mall up the street from me, for example, there's a much greater chance of me being made aware of it than others might be in many other places. When the street officer knows of impending trouble, I have the opportunity to know at the same time and maximize my personal level of appropriate response. > >I hope that each of us who still lives in an open broadcast area will include regular passive monitoring of their local public safety channels as part of their high alert protocol. That extra few minutes which sometimes amounts to a half hour or more before anything hits the media, can be just the information you need to lock your front doors, arm yourselves (you pro gunners), or evacuate, warn other neighbors, or collect your immediate family for whatever contingency you keep at bay. >In Tampa and Hillsborough Count we can do this and we're much more likely to survive some terrible calamity than not as a result. > >For those of you living in closed broadcast areas, areas where concern for the local tow truck driver chasing police calls somehow outweighed the concern for your family being killed in a ricin attack, you'll just have to rely on authorities notifying local media, and local media in turn deciding to select the issue as worthy of broadcast. Hopefully it won't be something terrible going down at the premise of someone who advertises with the TV station since the decision to pass on bad news will be harder to make. In all, the soonest you'll know is 30 to 50 minutes at best. No matter how you're notified, nothing will be faster than the potential for you to know something when the dispatcher notifies the road deputy. > >I'm being dramatic, but hopefully exemplifying. Open systems save lives! Narrow communication channels waste lives. And now more than ever every public safety facility in this country needs to be mandated to keep a portion of their radio communication in the clear and easily absorbable by the public. Public safety is not public safety business, it's PUBLIC business. And that means plenty now. > >Dave > >David Pinero >Tampa, Fl. >http://www.davidpinero.com > John H. Guetherman Peoria, AZ. 535 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003 8:53am Subject: more nextel problems=Centre Co Pa brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/5119427.htm 536 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:54am Subject: more info:RS/Uniden brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Subj: Re: [DIGITAL-SCANNING] RS SELLING UNIDEN Date: 02/17/2003 4:53:53 PM Eastern Standard Time From: tim@... Reply-to: DIGITAL-SCANNING@yahoogroups.com To: DIGITAL-SCANNING@yahoogroups.com Gents, According to a friend who is a regional manager of sorts for RS, he says that RS decided to "test" market the Digital Uniden BEFORE moving it into stores. As most of us know there are a number of areas which aren't currently using digital technology. Being the RS serves as he put it "the general public" and that most people don't understand digital.....they are very unlikely to spend the nearly $700 for the dig scanner and dig card. Thus, online sales only until they determine if and where these units will sell. RS also doesn't want to be left in the dust on the digital frontier waiting for "their own" digital capable scanner to be developed and sold. All being said and done, RS has positioned themselves to stay in the scanner market by offering the Uniden. Who knows if they will continue to offer the Uniden once they have their own model available???? Regards, Tim 537 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 18, 2003 10:41am Subject: Police and firefighters' radios going dead brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ORLANDO, Fla. -- Police and firefighters' radios are going dead in some of Central Florida's largest buildings, a WESH NewsChannel 2 investigation found. http://www.newschannel2000.com/news/1973334/detail.html# ======================================================== Does anyone know if this is VHF/UHF/800Mhz?? Bob WB3DYE 538 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Feb 18, 2003 4:05pm Subject: More Nextel problems brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ORLANDO, Fla. -- Local police and firefighters are facing a new communications headache. http://www.newschannel2000.com/news/1978481/detail.html 539 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:35pm Subject: an alert message that sounds scary brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound ------------------------------------ The Hound can't confirm it with APCO staff, but apparently the group's Board of Officers has issued an alert message that sounds scary--and more than a little vague. The suspicious activity occurred at unstated locations, and involving unknown persons, and there's no word if any law enforcement investigation is underway as a result of the activities. Here's the full text: "We have received information from APCO members that they have received numerous calls of a suspicious nature from people describing themselves as college students performing research. The questions have included specific communications infrastructure location information requests. Additionally, there have been reports of people recording and photographing public safety communications towers. "While there has been no evidence to suggest these are not legitimate actions, APCO advises you to pay close attention to such activity and report anything suspicious according to your local Standard Operating Procedures (SOP). APCO further advises not to release information to persons of unknown origin at this or any other time. Additionally, APCO recommends that you re-evaluate your internal Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) for procedures on handling these types of calls to ensure this issue is addressed specifically for communications related information during this time of heightened security." 540 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:49am Subject: our live fire scanner brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/houstonfd/ Lots of interesting fire service conversation, and you can listen to our live fire scanner. Please check us out! Thanks, Marvin Suggs msuggs@... 541 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:08pm Subject: listening to a scanner helped police brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -- A resident listening to a scanner helped police find two Bennington College students, who were charged with stealing $30 worth of video tapes from WalMart Friday evening. http://www.benningtonbanner.com/Stories/0,1413,104~8678~1166529,00.html 542 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:07pm Subject: Interoperable Communications for First Responders brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Former Federal Emergency Management Agency Director and Former New York City Emergency Services Director Stress the Need for Interoperable Communications for First Responders - - St. Louis Metropolitan Medical Response System Highlighted as Model for Interoperability - http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?day1/230565575&ticker=nxtl 543 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:17pm Subject: RS/GRE Digital Scanner In Works! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:06 am Post subject: Radio Shack http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?t=2156 Posted on 01/25/2003 14:38 EST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- We recently received the following information and after talking to the program manager of the project to help ascertain its credibility, we offer the following for your enjoyment: I work with a team of engineers who is assisting Radio Shack and GRE with the development of Radio Shack's first digital trunked scanning receiver. We are very excited about this radio and thought your readers might be interested in knowing a little bit about it. The user interface and receiver are built around the very successful PRO-93/95 radios, with some significant enhancements: The radio has 500 channels in 10 banks of 50 each There are 150 trunked IDs per bank, in 5 ID sub banks of 30 each Users can perform "open mode lockout" - lock out undesired new or existing IDs while in open mode, a great tool for catching new talkgroups! It is now possible to perform manual ID hold without waiting for the talkgroup to become active The radio will track UHF and 800 MHz Project 25 9600 BPS Control Channel systems! The radio will track all Motorola 800 MHz splinter system types Users can now edit the Welcome screen, just like the PRO-92 Full FIPS/SAME NOAA weather radio capability, with 10 FIPS code slots A new FRS/GMRS/MURS search range A temperature controlled crystal oscillator (TCXO) is used to ensure frequency stability at all temperature ranges - very important for digital! There is a revolutionary, patented scanner memory management system - you'll have to wait for details but trust me, it will be a very popular feature! There are some control channel analysis tools that users will find very beneficial, again, you'll have to wait for full details! The radio will be a handheld scanner similar in size to a PRO-93 or PRO-92 One of the most exciting things about this radio is the digital DSP decoder system! The radio is fully digital ready - there are no add on cards to purchase The radio will decode any digital system that is compliant with Project 25 Phase 1 - essentially this means no VSELP, but all ASTRO IMBE and P25 digital modulation types are supported There is a really cool DSP feature that I can't give details on just yet - but you will know it when you see it in the manual! No special quality settings are needed for different digital system types - you can scan different systems in the same or different bands simultaneously without changing digital quality settings The cost is expected to be in the $499 range, and the radio is expected in stores around November 2003. So there you have it. Sounds like quite the revolutionary product and a new direction in scanner design! It sure looks like Uniden won't be the only game in town for long and it will hopefully breath some life into RadioShack's lean scanner product line. We thank the gentlemen working on this project for sharing this news scoop with us and hope to hear more about this product in the near future! 544 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 11:42am Subject: BABY MONITOR DRAMA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Watch what you say at the post office. Listening devices recently were installed in the service windows at three post offices in Snohomish County, becoming the only ones in the Northwest and perhaps the nation taking such measures. http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/03/2/26/16537400.cfm The baby monitors are gone. Post offices in Everett and Marysville decided Wednesday to pull the plugs after installing the devices to listen in as window clerks talked with customers. http://www.heraldnet.com/Stories/03/2/27/PostOfficeSign.cfm Postmasters in Everett and Marysville who approved the installation of baby monitors at clerk counters will not be disciplined, a U.S. Postal Service spokesman said Friday. Marysville Postmaster Michael Ferri put baby monitors at the Marysville post office in November. Everett Postmaster Pat Ogle put them in the main Everett post office two weeks ago. http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/03/3/1/16582854.CFM 545 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 11:47am Subject: The Incredible Shrinking VHF brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The new handheld VHF radios pack far more punch, versatility, and communications features than did their predecessors. This product review first appeared in the October 2001 issue of Cruising World. http://www.cruisingworld.com/cw_article.php?articleID=1548 546 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 8:43am Subject: scanner monitor saves a life brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This woman could have died if Pa's digital system was in place. Why? Not monitorable because it's NOT Project 25 compliant! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- Carl Ross got his new police and fire scanner, capable of receiving the city's recently upgraded emergency radio system, just in time. The 36-year-old tow-truck operator was driving his rig in the 5700 block of Wynnefield Avenue in Overbrook about 10:50 a.m. Feb. 11 when he heard a call reporting a blaze on the block, police said. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/5236575.htm 547 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 11:05am Subject: great site for hams/scannists brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Below is a list of communications based calculators, conversion charts and converter programs available for use. Some of these are directly related to interest in communications and some are of indirect interest. We have written these or provided these for educational purposes and convenience. Some are written as demonstrations of programming techniques and others have highly functional uses. We are always receptive to comments or suggestions you may have. Enjoy! http://www.csgnetwork.com/vswrlosscalc.html 548 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:05am Subject: radio blackout brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Angry fishermen imposed a radio blackout yesterday in protest over cuts in catch quotas imposed by the European Commission which they claim will sink Scotland's 180-strong white fish fleet. In defiance of the law, crews put to sea without switching on the vital satellite communication equipment which reports their position to fishery officials every two hours. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=384275 549 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 0:04pm Subject: Nextel Communications vs public safety radio comms brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.oregonlive.com/metro/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/104790576426665 1.xml Nextel Communications has offered to pay $850 million in an all-or-nothing proposal that it said will fix a national problem of interference between wireless phone signals and police and fire radios. 550 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:18am Subject: 800 mhz filled with bugs brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A new statewide digital radio system that replaced aging World War II technology was intended to help state police and other public safety agencies communicate seamlessly across Michigan. http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/0303/20/d01-113849.htm 551 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:11am Subject: FROM DISPATCH NEWS brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------------------------- Debate continues over the "Consensus Proposal" that outlines steps to reduce interference in the 800 MHz band, and which was sparked by an earlier, gigantic band realignment proposal by Nextel. Attorneys for several energy firms recently held meetings with the FCC staff to present their view, and cited research by the investment company Legg Mason Inc. on how Nextel would benefit from the proposal: "The value of Nextel's 800 MHz spectrum would increase by $1.3 billion, even after deducting its $850 million 'contribution' to incumbent relocation, if Nextel were to receive contiguous nationwide spectrum in the 800 MHz band through realignment," the energy company attorneys stated. Now that's big money. 552 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:26pm Subject: ham/scanner net? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Anyone out there interested in starting an informal scanning net on Hf?? maybe 40 meters on a Sunday??? Let me know! Bob WB3DYE 553 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 6:02am Subject: Jacksonville FL to go entirely encrypted n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Don't feel singled-out, Orange County (CA) scanner listeners. Jacksonville Florida is planning to go "all-encrypted" in June. What's more, the article implies that ALL city radios will be encrypted, not just police. The slope gets slipperier And yes, they trot out the "homeland security" mantra, saying that since September 11 "we have to change the way we do business." Guess we've been doing it all wrong for 70+ years? See http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/040303/met_12180456.shtml Harry 554 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 10:15am Subject: WHAT HAPPENED? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There was a web site offered by freqofnature.com which listed almost daily FCC license info/updates/renewals/cancellations for the public safety band.. For several weeks it's been out of service. Anyone know what happened and/or where such a resource can be found? The link was: http://64.172.222.187/grants.php Bob WB3DYE 555 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 11:19am Subject: new scanner/ham mods brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Following modification has been created on http://www.mods.dk since last newsletter. Date: 20-02-2003 Alinco DJ-V5 Subject: Alinco DJ-V5T battery http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2688&radio=alinco&model=DJ-V5 Date: 21-02-2003 Icom IC-R2 Subject: IC R2 Tuning Hidden Mods Freq. and Selectivity adjustment http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2691&radio=icom&model=IC-R2 Date: 21-02-2003 Icom IC-706MKII Subject: Icom IC-706MK2 cw keyer http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2690&radio=icom&model=IC-706MKII Date: 21-02-2003 Standard C-5600 Subject: Mod for Standard C5600 TONE 1750Hz http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2689&radio=standard&model=C-5600 Date: 22-02-2003 Kenwood TM-261 Subject: Kenwood TM-261A TX Power Mod http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2692&radio=kenwood&model=TM-261 Date: 23-02-2003 Motorola GP-300 Subject: Motorola GP300 VHF hi-band portable. http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2694&radio=motorola&model=GP-300 Date: 23-02-2003 Yaesu FT-7100 Subject: Hidden-Menue for FT7100 (Yaesu) http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2693&radio=yaesu&model=FT-7100 Date: 25-02-2003 Icom IC-706MKII Subject: IC-706MK2G increase recieve http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2695&radio=icom&model=IC-706MKII Date: 26-02-2003 Yaesu FT-2800 Subject: Yaesu FT-2800M extended TX mod http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2697&radio=yaesu&model=FT-2800 Date: 26-02-2003 Alinco DJ-446 Subject: Alinco DJ-446 freq or channel in display http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2696&radio=alinco&model=DJ-446 Date: 02-03-2003 Yaesu VR-5000 Subject: Alignment Menu VR-5000 http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2699&radio=yaesu&model=VR-5000 Date: 02-03-2003 Kenwood TH-F7 Subject: Service-Mode des TH-F7 http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2698&radio=kenwood&model=TH-F7 Date: 02-03-2003 Other MVT-9000 Subject: Display segments for Yupiteru MVT9000MKII http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2700&radio=other&model=MVT-9000 Date: 09-03-2003 Yaesu FT-8100 Subject: Yaesu FT-8100 band change using acc key http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2701&radio=yaesu&model=FT-8100 Date: 11-03-2003 Icom IC-2725 Subject: IC-2725 Crossband Repeat Mod http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2702&radio=icom&model=IC-2725 Date: 13-03-2003 Standard MISC Subject: PPS/C Standard Interface http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2703&radio=standard&model=MISC Date: 18-03-2003 Uniden BC-785XLT Subject: Descriminator tap for BC 785D http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2705&radio=uniden&model=BC-785XLT Date: 18-03-2003 Kenwood TS-700 Subject: Solving the problem of the digital frequency readout of the TS-700s http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2704&radio=kenwood&model=TS-700 Date: 22-03-2003 Icom IC-751 Subject: IC-751 Cooling, remote jacks http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2708&radio=icom&model=IC-751 Date: 22-03-2003 Icom IC-2800 Subject: IC-2800 tx audio http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2707&radio=icom&model=IC-2800 Date: 22-03-2003 Motorola MISC Subject: Motorola "expanded accessory connector" http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2706&radio=motorola&model=MISC Date: 24-03-2003 Kenwood TS-680 Subject: Kenwood TS-680 freq. mod http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2709&radio=kenwood&model=TS-680 Date: 24-03-2003 Yaesu FT-897 Subject: FT-897 Second Menu (Adjustmenu) fuctions http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2710&radio=yaesu&model=FT-897 Date: 25-03-2003 Kenwood TS-950 Subject: New ears to the TS-950SDX http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2711&radio=kenwood&model=TS-950 Date: 25-03-2003 Radio Shack DX-398 Subject: Finer tuning for single sideband signals http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2712&radio=radio_shack&model=DX-398 Date: 28-03-2003 Yaesu FT-897 Subject: Installing The FT-897 Options http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2713&radio=yaesu&model=FT-897 Date: 06-04-2003 Yaesu FT-857 Subject: Installing The FT-857 Options http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2719&radio=yaesu&model=FT-857 Date: 06-04-2003 Other MISC Subject: KG6MVB's Modified E-DC-5B Power Adapter http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2718&radio=other&model=MISC Date: 06-04-2003 Yaesu FT-857 Subject: MARS mod of the FT-857 http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2717&radio=yaesu&model=FT-857 Date: 06-04-2003 Motorola GP-300 Subject: gp300/5 Tone out of band http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2716&radio=motorola&model=GP-300 Date: 06-04-2003 Yaesu FT-817 Subject: Improvement of stock mic for FT-817 http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2715&radio=yaesu&model=FT-817 Date: 06-04-2003 Yaesu FT-1500 Subject: Yaesu FT-1500M Display Test http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2714&radio=yaesu&model=FT-1500 Following modification has been updated on http://www.mods.dk since last newsletter. Note that sometimes it can be difficult to see the changes. Date: 20-02-2003 Alinco DJ-V5 Description: Adjustment Mode for the Alinco DJ-V5T Dualband Transceiver http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2401&radio=alinco&model=DJ-V5 Date: 20-02-2003 Alinco DJ-V5 Description: Alinco DJ-V5TH Receive-Transmit Mod by N3WRJ http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=60&radio=alinco&model=DJ-V5 Date: 02-03-2003 Radio Shack PRO-2004 Description: REALISTIC Pro-2004 keypad http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2514&radio=radio_shack&model=PRO-2004 Date: 28-03-2003 Yaesu FT-817 Description: Yaesu FT-817 CW Filter Installation http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2288&radio=yaesu&model=FT-817 Date: 01-04-2003 Kenwood TH-G71 Description: Il nuovo KENWOOD TH-G71E by HB9OAE http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=1805&radio=kenwood&model=TH-G71 Date: 01-04-2003 Kenwood TH-G71 Description: TH-G71E repeater shift http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=1486&radio=kenwood&model=TH-G71 Date: 01-04-2003 Kenwood TH-G71 Description: PC-programming cable for Kenwood TH-G71A / TH-F6A http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2305&radio=kenwood&model=TH-G71 Date: 01-04-2003 Kenwood TH-G71 Description: TH-G71A Beyond Mars modification http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=504&radio=kenwood&model=TH-G71 Date: 06-04-2003 Yaesu FT-817 Description: FT-817 TX frequency / Region setting http://www.mods.dk/select.php3?id=2369&radio=yaesu&model=FT-817 Best regards www.mods.dk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 556 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 11:55am Subject: Luzerne County Pa Forum brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Check Out the Luzerne County Forum at http://luzernecounty.proboards13.com/index.cgi This was sent to me by a Public Safety Dispatcher in Kingston--- Bob 557 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:57am Subject: Hudson County Law Enforcement Radio Network brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Starting this week, each of the county's 12 municipalities, the Sheriff's Office, the Prosecutor's Office, and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey police, will all be connected through a countywide communication system called Hudson County Law Enforcement Radio Network, or HC LERN. http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-0/10503346152752212.xml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 558 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:16pm Subject: State of Colorado/Project 25-compliant brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Motorola announced today that the State of Colorado accepted the third phase of its communications system, making direct communications possible among public safety agencies across the state. The state system is one of the largest Project 25-compliant systems so far in the United States, according to Motorola. http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.asp?layout=document&doc_id=117522& verticalID=34&vertical=Business+and+Finance&industry= 559 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:09pm Subject: Fwd: News Hound - April 22, 2003 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email DISPATCH Monthly Magazine News Hound ------------------------------------ -- How to Mis-Dial 911 -- NENA Presses 9-1-1 -- Award Nominees Invited - Mass. -- TerrAlert Notification System -- New York Lay-Offs -- NTW Activities -- Tobacco Money Comm Center -- First Annual Telmatics Awards -- Comm Center Profile (Penn.) -- Do We Really Need This? -- Homeland Security Symposium (DC) -- Police Post Radio Data (Ohio) Thanks to a suggestion from George Fosque, we've posted a Web page of 911 misdialing "instructions," hoping to generate a better understanding of how they occur, and possible come up with some solutions. Suggest your own methods of misdialing at: http://www.911Dispatch.com/911_file/911_misdials.html -------------------------- In the coming two weeks NENA will begin an educational effort, "stating that the 9-1-1 system needs help." The group feels that the next 3-6 months ,"will be crucial in shaping the long-term direction of E9-1-1 policy." NENA will be contacting the media, legislators, state governors and local mayors to provide information and solicit assistance. They've also prepared some pretty scary "Talking Points" for NENA members, including the very first one: "America’s 9-1-1 system is broken, putting lives and homeland security at risk." We've posted the entire list at: http://www.911Dispatch.com/911_file/talking_points.html -------------------------- Nominations are open for the Ninth Annual Jeff Grossman 9-1-1 Award, presented to the "unsung hero" giving so much of himself or herself to further the goals of public safety for the benefit of the citizens of Massachusetts. Jeff Grossman served as interim director of the state's Enhanced 9-1-1 system, and died after a prolonged battle with cancer in 1992 at the age of 42. His collegues created the award to keep his memory alive, and recognize those who are contributing to public safety. For further information and a nomination form please contact: grossman911@.... -------------------------- Terralert Inc. has launched an Internet-based notification system that has public safety applications, including missing children alerts. The company provides links to pagers, wireless phones, e-mail and other devices to allow distribution of information of all sorts. They're offering free service to law enforcement agencies for certain types of incidents. Their Web site is a little cloudy on exactly what they do, and how. But start here: http://www.terralert.com/Corp/Services/public_address.asp -------------------------- The Hound notes that New York City will lay off 3,400 workers, but no police officers, firefighters or teachers. No word on lay-offs among the police or fire dispatching staffs. -------------------------- The Hound has received tons of e-mails about local observations of National Public Safety Telecommunicator Week, including Mobile County (Ala.), which handed out service awards to sheriff's dispatchers Bettye Brown (23 years), Billie James (28 years, Raynetta Davis (24 years) and Mae Smith (26 years). Ten agencies participated and honored their dispatchers of the year at a banquet. -------------------------- Tompkins County broke ground of a $3 million comm center funded by--tabacco industry lawsuit settlement money. The center should be finished by Sept. and will handle dispatching for the Ithaca police, and county sheriff's, fire and EMS agencies. Motorola is installing a new county-wide radio system that could cost up to $18 million, and county officials hope the state will pay some part of that system. -------------------------- The ComCARE Alliance announced the finalists for the first Telematics Safety Awards: an organization that has made the most significant telematics contribution to emergency response, and, a person in public safety and a telematics service provider's employee who helped save someone's life through the use of telematics. The finalists are: Greater Harris County (Tex.) 9-1-1 Emergency Network, OnStar and Mercedes-Benz USA, and Cross Country Automotive Services, Sharon Dennis of the Arapahoe County (Colo.) Sheriff's Department, Curtis Johnson of OnStar, and Susan DeBiasi of Cross Country. The awards will be presented April 29th. -------------------------- The Lehigh County (Penn.) Communications Center was profiled in the local newspaper, where 911 coordinator Laurie Bailey said a staff of 32 dispatchers handle 100,000 telephone calls a year. They recently spent over $1 million to upgrade their computer systems to eventually handle Phase II wireless E911 calls. -------------------------- Another choice on how to spend money...Buffalo Grove (Ill.) north of Chicago purchased a command van, complete with 50-foot video camera mast, fax, data, voice radio. All all this is based on a mobile data network that allegedly allows officers to "spend more time in the field." Well, the town is 8 square miles!, so the furthest any officer might travel (in a square town) is 2.23 miles, which might take you 5 minutes. Well, maybe that's worth the cost of a mobile data system. -------------------------- The 2nd Annual George Washington University Homeland Security Symposium, "Today’s Lessons for Tomorrow’s Preparedness," May 1, 2003, GWU Marvin Center Grand Ballroom, 800 21 st St NW, Washington, DC 20052. Download a brochure (Acrobat, pdf format) at: http://www.gwumc.edu/c4ep/pdf/Brochure_website_v4.pdf -------------------------- Columbus is dope! The Hound is just flabbergasted to learn that the city posts complete reports on the activity of its 800 MHz trunked radio system on-line, so info-junkies like me can browse around and gather info. No, it's < not> a security risk, but rather a treasure-trove of information for anyone interested in real-life statistics on trunked radio operation: busy times, daily activity, etc. Great resource for planning a new system. Oh, note that radio activity on Christmas day is about one-half of the normal traffic. Surf: http://www.publicsafety.ci.columbus.oh.us/800rpts/800rptsIndex.html ================================================ News and information from the world of public safety dispatching. Copyright 2003, Allen Media. Send us your news: Hound@... or fax us (510) 558-3109. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 560 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:01pm Subject: an 800-megahertz system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A $35 million system that will transform emergency communications in Hamilton County should be up and running by summer's end, county officials say. "Things are progressing at a very rapid pace," said Greg Wenz, operations manager for the Hamilton County Communications Center. The county is building an 800-megahertz system that will allow police and fire departments from Anderson Township to Harrison to talk to each other by radio and eliminate most spots where they can't be heard. The system will replace a police UHF system that's almost 25 years old and a low-band fire and emergency system that's half a century old, Wenz said. http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/04/09/loc_radios09.html 561 From: zerg90@... Date: Mon May 5, 2003 3:04pm Subject: Odddds - 1 In A Gazillion zerg90@... Send Email Send Email What are the odds that these two stories would pop up next to each other when I searched for 'police radio' on Google today? Mayor keeping track of city on police radio Henderson Gleaner, KY - Apr 24, 2003 Mayor Henry Lackey, who has a lot of experience on the radio, hasn't been talking much on the police radio that was recently installed in his private van at ... Shickshinny councilman charged with having crack pipe, drugs Press Enterprise, PA - 9 hours ago ... Barre Mayor Tom McGroarty saw Shoemaker driving his silver Dodge pickup truck erratically on a busy Kidder Street Friday and called officers on a police radio 2 strange! openness 562 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat May 10, 2003 11:39am Subject: NEW HAM THREAT brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This info was passed along by a ham friend of mine from the Pocono's, WX3ROB.. Bob ======================== For some time now that I am aware, the USECA system has suffered from an unusual problem. At first these problems were rarely noticed. An occasional data-burst that resembled the sound of a telephone ringing was observed coming through the repeater all by itself! The problem has been steadily getting worse. http://www.useca.net/newthreat.htm 563 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun May 18, 2003 10:05am Subject: Nevada Highway Patrol communications SCREW UP brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email How would u like to be the guy who's responsible? Can u say STUPID? Bob ======================================= — A multimillion dollar foul-up building a Nevada Highway Patrol communications system has state police facing fines for operating without proper federal licenses for three years, the highway patrol chief said. The Federal Communications Commission said Friday that it is investigating the violation, and highway patrol Col. David Hosmer said the agency could levy fines of as much as $1 billion. http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2003/05/16/42281.php?sp1=rgj&sp2=News& sp3=Local+News 564 From: "John H. Guetherman" Date: Mon May 19, 2003 10:28am Subject: Re: Nevada Highway Patrol communications SCREW UP jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email --- In scan4good@yahoogroups.com, worksntv@a... wrote: > How would u like to be the guy who's responsible? Can u say STUPID? > Bob > ======================================= > Slightly shorter link that hopefully won't wrap: http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2003/05/16/42281.php John H. Guetherman Peoria, AZ. 565 From: zerg90@... Date: Fri May 23, 2003 0:19pm Subject: Scannerist Catches Serial Child Rapist in Texas zerg90@... Send Email Send Email http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1572&dept_id=183020&newsid=8091759&PAG=46\ 1&rfi=9 566 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat May 24, 2003 1:03pm Subject: more 800 mhz problems brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Critics claim the county not only bought the wrong system but that officials paid too much. Critics continue to cite failing 800-MHz systems in other counties and they warn of cell phone interference within that frequency range. Nextel and the Federal Communications Commission could decide to re-align 800-MHz frequencies, which could cost counties such as Fauquier a lot of money. http://www.citizenet.com/news/articles/052203/government2.shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 567 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat May 24, 2003 7:11pm Subject: LAFD uses citizen volunteers for Auxiliary Radio Comms n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Once again, LA City Fire Department shows its stuff. Another example of their official support for, and use of, Amateur Radio operators and other community volunteers in accomplishing their missions (see the last couple paragraphs). This reply from LAFD was in response to some email-group discussions about hearing Fire Department helicopters doing election-night ops. Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/lafire.htm (New URL) Fire Comms, News & Links ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Los Angeles Fire Department To: socalscan@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:15 Subject: [SoCalScan] Re: LAFD Tac 18 Election operations? --- In socalscan@yahoogroups.com, Derek Cutler wrote: > Not sure if this has been going on all day, but I'm > picking up election operations on TAC 18 with a pl of > 173.8 same as LAFD ops. The LAFD (like the LAPD) have routinely offered direct support to municipal election operations for decades. In the Fire Department's case, the helicopters are made available UPON FORMAL AGENCY REQUEST if their use does not compromise public safety or the LAFD's Mission. To the best of my knowledge, the LAFD has offered such to elections for each of the 18 years that I've been on the job. > They are talking about > bringing the 49 boxes of ballots to piper tech among > other things. Anyone know why they are using LAFD > channels. Historically, the copters have had little need to chatter on FD frequencies when conducting these mundane operations. LAFD Airops Section generally contacts OCD in advance (usually through a secure and dedicated ring-down telephone) to let them know which airships are being committed, when they will be airborne, what they'll be doing and how long they will be doing it. This is typical for many emergency and non-emergency flights. What changed this year was the added involvement of volunteers from the LAFD Auxiliary Communications System: http://www.lafd.org/acs.htm ...and the CERT Program: http://www.lafd.org/cert.htm Using the "Echo Delta" (Election Division) callsign, these dedicated volunteers offered well-coordinated support and gained practical experience between the hours of 1800-2300 Hours as they followed the transfer of time critical materials between remote locations and the C Erwin Piper Technical Center. We are striving to find additional ways to keep our volunteers involved in such endeavors in the future. Brian [Humphrey - LAFD PIO] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 568 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat May 24, 2003 4:47pm Subject: Keeping Digital Scanners Out Of The Wrong Hands. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is from another list--but has so much info I thought it was nessesary to post it here! Bob WB3DYE ====================================================== Subj: Re: [DigiScan] Date: 05/24/2003 4:22:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: usenet@... (Willingham, Shaun) Reply-to: DigiScan@yahoogroups.com To: DigiScan@yahoogroups.com Hi, As a Canadian, a ham operator, a communications technician, and a paramedic, I'll offer you my opinion on the matter. First off, Industry Canada has their head's so far up their %#$ it's not even funny. They truely believe that the APCO25 technology (digital in nature) was developed to get rid of "scanner listeners". I was told this by the RCMP last year, after I was arrested for monitoring their ASTRO communications. I was not charged, and no equipment was taken. Industry Canada believes that the media, and the public, has no right to monitor these "in the clear" radio transmissions, which are just digital in nature - no different than analog. It really bothers me. Most American vendors will not ship the BC785/BC250 scanners to Canada, out of fear that they are breaking some non-existant law. In fact, there is no law stating that monitoring digital communications is illega, but rather an Industry Canada "IPC" document (Internal Policy Circular) that suggests a license should be required - but this is not law. Many people have read in to the IPC document the wrong way, and as a result the entire scanning community is misinformed. Every person has the right to monitor a radio broadcast, which is transmitted in the clear. As much as I hate to say it, even terrorists have the "right" to tune in. Although they are absolutely disgusting people, it is up to law enforcement to take steps to protect their communications - otherwise they are subject to interception. I don't mind scanner folk listening in on my comms at work - I've done it for 13 years too. It's sad how the government of Canada is using this whole "digital" thing as a scapegoat to define privacy. Things aren't defined enough here. It's strange that the FCC gave the OK to digital scanners, considering the USA is a target for terrorism, yet in Canada where things seem to be more tame, the scanners are "illegal" unless licensed. I will bring a few links to your attention: First, this is the actual Industry Canada Circular (IPC) document, that is at the center of the the debate (Canadian debate, anyway) http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSI/sf/ipc2104.pdf Second, review this thread on trunkedradio.net, which has quite a few valid points to it: http://www.trunkedradio.net/groups/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3380 And finally, I will include a post from the scanont yahoogroup, which was forwarded from the Alberta scanner group, discussing various problems the media out there has run in to, with the digital scanner licensing. Sorry for the long post, but I find this whole saga quite interesting, since I was arrested for being a "terrorist scanner hobbyist" only a year ago. - Shaun - Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:20:33 -0400 From: Greg Kulin Reply-To: scanont@yahoogroups.com To: scanont@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Scanont] Cross-post from Albertascan regarding media use of digital scanners - LONG POST Saw this on Albertascan regarding the media's use of Uniden's scanenrs, and what IC's response is. This was in two messages. It is long, but very interesting. To save bandwidth I would recommend we trim our responses. Msg 1 I have received good information that the A-Channel and CFCN television are planning on taking action against Industry Canada regarding the Uniden Digital Scanners. My source tells me that CFCN is trying to get authorization to use the digital scanner legally however from their understanding, there really is no law. The Calgary City Police prohibits the media from using these scanners as they are aware that they will receive more channels then the ones they curently own. They purchase astro digital radios direct from the City Police pre-programmed with limited channels at a cost of $9000.00 per portable. It would only make sense to purchase a much cheaper piece of equipment that does a much better job. I will keep all posted on what I hear down the road. The process is on the go. MSG 2 - IC's response Here is an email that was sent to me regarding the digital scanners. I guess Industry Canada is trying to fight something that is going to be contreversial with the public and media. The interesting thing about all of this is that is also conflicts with what people are saying about illegal satellite systems and their signals. ------------------ Thank you for the copy of the contract that you have with the City of Calgary respecting a "Digital Radio System Licensing Agreement", as well as your letter in which you outline the reasons why you feel the media should meet our existing policy considerations for those individuals or organizations who should be able to hold a licence for a digital scanner. The Radiocommunication Act contains the following prohibitions: 9 (1.1) Except as prescribed, no person shall make use of or divulge a radio-based telephone communication (a) if the originator of the communication or the person intended by the originator of the communication to receive it was in Canada when the communication was made; and (b) unless the originator, or the person intended by the originator to receive the communication consents to the use or divulgence. 9(2) Except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use of, or intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, except as permitted by the originator of the communication or the person intended by the originator of the communication to receive it. 9(3) Subsection (2) does not apply in respect of radiocommunication that consists of broadcasting, a subscription programming signal or a network feed . Industry Canada has intentionally limited the licensing of digital scanners in order to minimize the risk that the public's expectation of privacy might be compromised. The licensing criteria for digital scanners established pursuant to the Radiocommunication Act and Regulations may be found in the technical standard RSS 135 and the policy document IPC 2-1-04. After reviewing your arguments, as well as the content of your existing agreement with the City of Calgary, we find that neither of the policy considerations you quote, would be applicable to enable a broadcaster such as the media to be issued a licence for a digital scanner. These two groups, engaged in: a) preserving or protecting life and property, which includes providing emergency assistance, or b) investigating or prosecuting an alleged contravention of any law or Canada or a province, or when intended to be in the interest of the administration of justice. were included with the intent of capturing law enforcement agencies or safety services such as fire and ambulance, and it is our view that generally news gathering agencies or broadcasters do not meet the criteria for the issuance of a licence for a digital scanner pursuant to the Radiocommunication Act and Regulations and RSS 135 and IPC-2-1-04. Furthermore, the issuance of a digital scanner licence that could tune into all of the City of Calgary's licensed channels may conflict with several conditions of the City of Calgary's contract with the media, including 2.9 "The Licensee shall not expand, or permit to be expanded, the capability of the monitoring equipment, and shall not develop new technology which will permit the expansion of the monitoring equipment's capability". If you need further information relating to this matter or any other subject dealing with policy or regulations regarding spectrum management in Canada, please feel free to contact me directly. best regards _____________________________________ So it looks like the Western region of IC will not issue 'scanner licenses to the media. Also looks like a federal department will also protect the city's interest in selling the media a $9000 radio. But then what do you expect from a country which wants the state to regulate everything in everyones daily life. Grge 569 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue May 27, 2003 0:03pm Subject: FCC DATABASES brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I've been unable to bring up the FCC databases---Anyone else having the same problem? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/index.hts Bob 570 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue May 27, 2003 4:08pm Subject: Re: FCC DATABASES n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The "gullfoss" portals seem to be down, but there are some alternates working... try http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/reports/index.cfm or http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/index.hts Harry http://members.cox.net/marnells/kma367-1.htm <~~ LAPD Communications Div History, with some new OLD stuff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; <10m@...>; <6meter@yahoogroups.com>; Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 09:03 Subject: FCC DATABASES > I've been unable to bring up the FCC databases---Anyone else having the same > problem? > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/index.hts > > > Bob > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > 571 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue May 27, 2003 4:12pm Subject: Re: FCC DATABASES n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here's this tidbit from the FCC "Public Access Status Page" at http://www.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/EFBoards/systemstatus.cgi?index_t=../../pub/e-file/EF\ Boards.html Status Report: Date: 05/23/03 - 08:26:55 Subject: Gullfoss2 server unavailable. Message: The General Menu Reports system user interface uses two servers, named "gullfoss2" and "svartifoss2" (after Icelandic waterfalls). The gullfoss2 server will be down for unscheduled maintenance for a few days, we expect it to be back online by Tuesday May 27. Since we have two servers, system availability will not be interrupted. Harry http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/officer.htm <~~ North Hollywood Shootout, 1997... Listen! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; <10m@...>; <6meter@yahoogroups.com>; Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 09:03 Subject: FCC DATABASES > I've been unable to bring up the FCC databases---Anyone else having the same > problem? > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/index.hts > > > Bob 572 From: "John H. Guetherman" Date: Thu May 29, 2003 1:09am Subject: Re: FCC DATABASES jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email --- In scan4good@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Marnell" wrote: > The "gullfoss" portals seem to be down, but there are some alternates working...try > http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/reports/index.cfm or > http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/index.hts > > Harry > http://members.cox.net/marnells/kma367-1.htm <~~ LAPD Communications Div History, with some new OLD stuff > Also http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp John H. Guetherman KB7MIB/WPXJ598 Peoria, AZ. 573 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu May 29, 2003 7:09pm Subject: Fw: Latest Regarding AB-441 - Nevada n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Flanagan To: CVRC Reflector ; Nevada Ham Reflector ; Lyon County ARES ; Nevada ARES Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:41 Subject: [NvHam] Latest Regarding AB-441 This is the current information I am receiving from Carson City: "The speaker and law enforcement are trying to hold their ground somewhat on this although they are willing to concede to an insertion in that section somewhat to the effect that there would have to be serious intent to conspire, or do harm with the knowledge and publication of these freqs. It would shift the burden of proof more onto the legal system or law enforcement. This is a possible fall back position if we can't get the horses to delete sub f from the section. "How would this affect things? There is quite a bit of email coming in and that will help. Keep it coming." The "speaker" being referred to, above, is the bill's author, Speaker of the Assembly Richard Perkins who, as a matter of courtesy and protocol, should be involved in any amendments to the bill. What Speaker Perkins and his law enforcement advisors don't seem to understand is that this frequency information is in the public domain. Anyone can go to the FCC web site http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/ and in about three minutes call up complete frequency information on every public service transmitter in the State of Nevada! The ideal solution would still be to remove paragraph (f) entirely. If that can't be done, then an explicit exclusion should be made to not restrict the availability or use of information derived from Federal sources and there should be no restrictions on *any* information pertaining to amateur radio operations as defined by 47 CFR Part 97, regardless of source. You can make your opinion known to the State Legislature at http://www.leg.state.nv.us/72nd/opinions2003/index.cfm and specify AB441. Indicate you are "Against" the bill and under Comments, write "Remove Section 21 Subsection 2 Paragraph (f)." Also telephone or send an e-mail to your State Senator. You can find their address at http://www.leg.state.nv.us/72nd/Legislators/Senators/slist.cfm Also telephone or send an e-mail to members of the State Finance Committee. You can find their addresses at http://www.leg.state.nv.us/72nd/Committees/S_Committees/FIN.cfm and their individual e-mail addresses are: William Raggio Raymond Rawson Dean Rhoades Barbara Cegavske Sandra Tiffany Bob Coffin Bernice Mathews Please include Speaker of the Assembly Richard Perkins in your comments. Again, we need to respectfully ask that AB-441 Section 21 Subsection 2 Paragraph (f) be removed. 73, Dick -- Dick Flanagan W6OLD NV SM E-mail: w6old@... _______________________________________________ NvHam mailing list NvHam@... http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/nvham [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 574 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sat May 31, 2003 5:49pm Subject: new "North Hollywood Shootout" TV Movie n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The FX-Network has a TV-movie on Sunday evening - tomorrow 6/1 - on the 1997 North Hollywood shootout. I've seen two "reviews," one saying it's terrific, the other saying it's OK but that the story's been twisted some to make it more exciting. I've got a link to their site on my page at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/officer.htm Unfortunately I'll not be near a TV tomorrow nite :-( Harry 575 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 1, 2003 0:32pm Subject: anyone know the freq? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email because of a blown repeater tower fuse, Officer Douglas Bryant's radio lifeline was all but severed Monday during a car chase on Interstate 75 that ended in a crash that killed him. It's still unknown whether Bryant tried to contact local police agencies during the pursuit or whether a fully functioning two-way radio might have helped prevent his death. But some are saying the incident points up the dismal state of the department's radio communication system and its critical importance to officer safety. http://www.kypost.com/2003/05/22/radio052203.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 576 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 1, 2003 0:41pm Subject: $16.5 million to fix a multimillion-dollar foul-up brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email CARSON CITY -- The Senate has unanimously approved a late-session measure authorizing $16.5 million in spending to help fix a multimillion-dollar foul-up in building a Nevada Highway Patrol communications system. Senate Bill 499 appropriates most of the money from the state's highway fund and $1.8 million from the general fund. The lawmakers' Interim Finance Committee would have final say on how the money is spent, and some money could also go toward other state agencies' radio systems, which may face similar problems. http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/May-30-Fri-2003/news/21428190.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 577 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jun 2, 2003 8:53am Subject: eight stolen emergency communication radios brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A former engineer at Sanmina SCI who sold eight stolen emergency communication radios to the Lynchburg Fire and EMS Department pleaded guilty Tuesday in Lynchburg Circuit Court to unlawfully taking property. http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=LNA%2FMGArticle%2FLNA_Ba sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031769622575&path=!f 578 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Jun 3, 2003 6:13am Subject: Fw: Nevada AB 441 passes Assembly, BUT AMENDED! n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Dick Flanagan" As originally written, Nevada Assembly Bill 441 would have made the publication, sale and possession of "emergency response" frequencies against the law if the Governor determined it was necessary because of real or potential terrorist activity. Because of the wide public availability of this information, such a restriction would have been unenforceable and simply not in the best interests of both amateur radio and public safety interests. Because of a concentrated effort by the amateur community, this section of AB-441 has been rewritten! According to the Nevada Legislature web site, AB-441 passed the State Senate with the following replacement for Section 21 Subsection 2 Paragraph (f): "(f) Documents, records or other items of information regarding the infrastructure and security of frequencies for radio transmissions used by response agencies, including, without limitation: "(1) Access codes, passwords or programs used to ensure the security of frequencies for radio transmissions used by response agencies; "(2) Procedures and processes used to ensure the security of frequencies for radio transmissions used by response agencies; and "(3) Plans used to reestablish security and service with respect to frequencies for radio transmissions used by response agencies after security has been breached or service has been interrupted." The amended bill now goes back to the Assembly where passage is expected. We did it, Folks! Thanks to everyone who contacted the Legislature and let it be known that the previous wording of this Section was unacceptable! 73, Dick -- Dick Flanagan W6OLD NV SM E-mail: w6old@... 579 From: Don Date: Tue Jun 3, 2003 9:23pm Subject: Battery/Charger Deal ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Just like to pass along a great Deal I saw in Big Lots sale paper today /great for scanners Etc. Panasonic Deluxe Rechargeable battery set includes 4 AA 1950 MAH Nickel-Metal Hydride Batteries $ 9.99 , With Charger , Check here for a store in Your area and call first. http://www.biglots.com/default.asp the batteries are worth this price . Keep Your Batteries Charged , Don KA9QJG 580 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jun 5, 2003 9:28am Subject: FROM ENGLAND brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email “It cannot be scanned by unauthorised users because of an encryption facility which prevents criminals listening in to police communications.” http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/NEWSM09.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 581 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:12pm Subject: more 800 mhz problems brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The problems are the latest in a long series of glitches that have hampered expensive efforts to upgrade public safety communications in Honolulu, using an 800 megahertz radio system and digital technology. Engineers have struggled to identify and eliminate "dead spots" in radio coverage, background noise problems and dispatch system failures http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Jun/09/ln/ln01a.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 582 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:13pm Subject: battlefield-radio contract brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Harris Corp. announced late Wednesday that its radio-frequency-communications division won a battlefield-radio contract potentially worth $90 million over the next 10 years. The Melbourne-based communications-equipment manufacturer, which employs 5,400 in Brevard County, is part of a larger team led by The Boeing Co. The contract focuses on radios in ground vehicles and helicopters http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/moneystoryA1582A.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 583 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:45am Subject: M/A-COM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email LOWELL, Mass.-M/A-COM Inc. released the P-800 portable radio for the OpenSky network. The Internet Protocol-based digital two-way radio operates on trunked and conventional systems for voice and data. "Its ability to provide users with fast access and easier operation make it superior to many larger and heavier radios," said John Boland, product manager at M/A-COM. http://rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=13828 584 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:24pm Subject: spectrum needs for emergency responders brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -- Emotions flared at a House hearing here today on spectrum needs for emergency responders as some lawmakers pressed their case that broadcasters should be moved almost immediately off of valuable spectrum so fire, police and rescuers could more effectively communicate. http://email.wirelessweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/jMQB0FHLKM0B4I0B1sx0AM 585 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:12am Subject: giving the rest of us bad names brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Police found a gold badge, a police scanner, a list of police radio frequencies, a night stick, handcuffs and other police paraphernalia in Holloway's car, according to court records. http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/weird_news/ 586 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Jun 17, 2003 4:43am Subject: Radio Shack Digital Scanner Type-Accepted by the FCC n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The FCC has type-accepted the GRE (Radio Shack "Pro 96") Digital scanner. Some of the documents, including owner's manual and external photos are on my page at http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/digital-scanner.htm Harry 587 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:57am Subject: wb, pa mobile command post brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The operator of the center is Bill Harding, KA3QPQ. The system has a LOT of equipment which is ham radio ready! =========================================================== Wilkes-Barre's Mobile Command Center may look like a normal sport utility vehicle, but inside there are 13 radios, a laptop computer and a generator ready to connect neighboring firefighters, paramedics and police. Several antennas line the vehicle's roof and special tunable short wave antenna could be installed in emergency situations. http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=8441210&BRD=2259&PAG=461& dept_id=455154&rfi=6 588 From: Don Date: Wed Jun 25, 2003 0:16am Subject: Interesting Scanner Story ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.indystar.com/print/articles/9/052783-9709-127.html Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG 589 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 0:44pm Subject: private freq info for Northumberland co Pa brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Can anyone help this guy out????????? Bob ================================================== From: billy_the_cat2000@... (billy_the_cat2000) To: worksntv@... does anyone have a list of the Mount Carmel, Kulpmont, Shamokin or Coal Twp "private" freqs? 590 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:00pm Subject: Re: private freq info for Northumberland co Pa n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here are a few for you, though I'm not sure what "private" frequencies" mean: Harry: Licensee Name // Transmitter City // Frequency Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources CAMERON TOWNSHIP 159.36 Delaware and Hudson Railway AUGUSTA 160.425 Delaware and Hudson Railway AUGUSTA 160.59 Delaware and Hudson Railway AUGUSTA 161.4 Delaware and Hudson Railway AUGUSTA 161.475 SHAMOKIN, CITY OF SHAMOKIN 46.06 SHAMOKIN, CITY OF SHAMOKIN 46.14 SHAMOKIN, CITY OF SHAMOKIN 46.5 KULPMONT, BOROUGH OF KULPMONT 46.5 NORTHUMBERLAND, COUNTY OF SHAMOKIN 46.14 NORTHUMBERLAND, COUNTY OF SHAMOKIN 46.36 NORTHUMBERLAND, COUNTY OF SHAMOKIN 46.44 NORTHUMBERLAND, COUNTY OF SHAMOKIN 46.48 NORTHUMBERLAND, COUNTY OF SHAMOKIN 46.5 CENTRAL BUILDERS SUPPLY COMPANY DANVILLE 451.775 CENTRAL BUILDERS SUPPLY COMPANY DANVILLE 451.775 CENTRAL BUILDERS SUPPLY COMPANY DANVILLE 456.775 Sunoco Partners Marketing & Terminals L.P. ARISTES 48.86 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources CAMERON TOWNSHIP 151.16 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources CAMERON TOWNSHIP 151.175 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources CAMERON TOWNSHIP 151.295 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources CAMERON TOWNSHIP 151.385 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources CAMERON TOWNSHIP 151.4 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources CAMERON TOWNSHIP 151.445 TROUTMAN BROTHERS INC KLINGERSTOWN 43.44 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 151.16 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 151.175 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 151.295 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 151.385 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 151.4 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 151.445 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 159.255 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 159.345 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 159.36 Commonwealth of Pa Dept Conservation & Natural Resources RALPHO TOWNSHIP 159.42 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC. GOWEN CITY 152.18 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC. TREVORTON 152.18 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC. Trevorton 152.12 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC. Trevorton 459.05 PPL ELECTRIC UTILITIES CORP DBA PPL UTILITIES TREVERTON 37.72 PPL ELECTRIC UTILITIES CORP DBA PPL UTILITIES TREVERTON 37.72 PPL ELECTRIC UTILITIES CORP DBA PPL UTILITIES TREVERTON 37.82 Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Department of Transportation TREVORTON 47.16 Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Department of Transportation TREVORTON 47.28 Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Department of Transportation TREVORTON 47.3 PPL ELECTRIC UTILITIES CORP DBA PPL UTILITIES MARION HEIGHTS 37.58 PPL ELECTRIC UTILITIES CORP DBA PPL UTILITIES MARION HEIGHTS 37.62 PPL ELECTRIC UTILITIES CORP DBA PPL UTILITIES MARION HEIGHTS 37.64 PPL ELECTRIC UTILITIES CORP DBA PPL UTILITIES MARION HEIGHTS 37.66 PPL ELECTRIC UTILITIES CORP DBA PPL UTILITIES MARION HEIGHTS 37.74 PPL ELECTRIC UTILITIES CORP DBA PPL UTILITIES MARION HEIGHTS 37.82 SNYDER, COUNTY OF TREVORTON 46.06 SNYDER, COUNTY OF TREVORTON 46.1 GEISINGER SYSTEM SERVICES DANVILLE 123.05 SERVICE ELECTRIC CABLEVISION INC SHAMOKIN TOWNSHIP 151.895 SHAMOKIN AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT SHAMOKIN 464.425 SERVICE ELECTRIC CABLEVISION INC SHAMOKIN 463.4 COMMUNITY AMBULANCE FAIRVIEW FIRE CO SHAMOKIN 46.44 COMMUNITY AMBULANCE FAIRVIEW FIRE CO SHAMOKIN 46.5 READING ANTHRACITE COMPANY TREVORTON 43.52 CRONE, STANLEY E DANVILLE 151.535 CRONE, STANLEY E DANVILLE 151.535 UPPER AGUSTA, TOWNSHIP OF SUNBURY 155.94 COTNER JR, DONALD G RIVERSIDE 464.875 COTNER JR, DONALD G RIVERSIDE 464.875 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC. TREVORTON 152.84 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC TREVORTON 75.54 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC TREVORTON 75.74 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC TREVORTON 152.6 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC TREVORTON 152.72 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC TREVORTON 454.375 Metrocall USA, Inc. TREVORTON 454.65 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE, INC. TREVORTON 454.625 NORTHUMBERLAND, COUNTY OF SHAMOKIN 154.65 NORTHUMBERLAND, COUNTY OF SHAMOKIN 155.415 NORTHUMBERLAND, COUNTY OF SHAMOKIN 155.475 NORTHUMBERLAND, COUNTY OF SHAMOKIN 155.49 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 461.1625 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 461.1875 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 461.2375 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 461.2625 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 461.5375 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 461.5625 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 461.8375 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 461.8625 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 461.8875 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 462.0875 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 462.1125 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 464.8875 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 464.9125 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 466.1625 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 466.1875 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 466.2375 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 466.2625 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 466.5375 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 466.5625 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 466.8375 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 466.8625 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 466.8875 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 467.0875 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 467.1125 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 469.8875 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J DBA R F COMMUNICATIONS 469.9125 SHAMOKIN, TOWNSHIP OF STONINGTON 154.085 SHAMOKIN, TOWNSHIP OF STONINGTON 154.085 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE INC TREVORTON 464.025 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE INC TREVORTON 464.025 SCHUYLKILL MOBILE FONE INC TREVORTON 469.025 EASTERN INDUSTRIES INC COAL TOWNSHIP 30.58 Verizon Pennsylvania Inc. TREVORTON 151.985 NEW BRIDGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NEW BRIDGEVILLE 33.58 NEW BRIDGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NEW BRIDGEVILLE 33.58 NEW BRIDGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NEW BRIDGEVILLE 33.66 NEW BRIDGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NEW BRIDGEVILLE 33.66 NEW BRIDGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NEW BRIDGEVILLE 33.88 NEW BRIDGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NEW BRIDGEVILLE 33.88 NEW BRIDGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NEW BRIDGEVILLE 33.9 NEW BRIDGEVILLE FIRE COMPANY NEW BRIDGEVILLE 33.9 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF TREVERTON 42.6 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF TREVERTON 154.755 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF TREVERTON 154.755 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF TREVERTON 154.95 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF TREVERTON 155.58 SOUTHERN COLUMBIA AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT PENSYLSMILL 466.05 SOUTHERN COLUMBIA AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT PENSYLSMILL 466.05 SERVICE ELECTRIC CABLEVISION INC SHAMOKIN TOWNSHIP 462.175 PENNSEL COMMUNICATION SERVICES INC TREVORTON 462.75 PENNSEL COMMUNICATION SERVICES INC TREVORTON 467.75 PENNSEL COMMUNICATION SERVICES INC TREVORTON 468.4125 MOUNT CARMEL, BOROUGH OF MOUNT CARMEL 458.6 MOUNT CARMEL, BOROUGH OF MOUNT CARMEL 458.75 JONES, KENNETH N DANVILLE 151.805 JONES, KENNETH N 151.805 MASSER, TIMOTHY D LECK KILL 31.4 MASSER, TIMOTHY D LECK KILL 31.4 WEIS MARKETS INC MILTON 462.35 WEIS MARKETS INC MILTON 462.35 WEIS MARKETS INC MILTON 467.35 BLOOMSBURG MEDICAL SUPPLY TREVORTON 462.75 BLOOMSBURG MEDICAL SUPPLY TREVORTON 468.4125 SPLIT VEIN TRUCKING SHAMOKIN 461.775 SPLIT VEIN TRUCKING SHAMOKIN 461.775 SPLIT VEIN TRUCKING SHAMOKIN 466.775 PENNSEL COMMUNICATION SERVICES INC TREVORTON 152.48 NORTH TOWANDA, TOWNSHIP OF TOWANDA 156.24 NORTH TOWANDA, TOWNSHIP OF TOWANDA 156.24 GREENS COMMUNICATIONS ROCKEFELLER 157.74 BLOOMSBURG HOSPITAL TREVORTON 462.925 BLOOMSBURG HOSPITAL TREVORTON 469.4125 GRAHAM, KENNETH W HEGINS 153.2 GRAHAM, KENNETH W HEGINS 153.2 GRAHAM, KENNETH W HEGINS 158.295 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.655 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.655 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.685 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.685 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.715 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.715 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.745 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.745 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.805 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.805 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.835 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.835 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.865 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.865 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.895 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.895 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.925 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 151.925 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 154.515 H H KNOEBEL SONS INC ELYSBURG 154.515 RALPHO FIRE CO NO 1 INC SHAMOKIN 46.2 RALPHO FIRE CO NO 1 INC SHAMOKIN 46.2 SHAMOKIN AREA COMMUNITY HOSPITAL 151.775 ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS CO INC GOWEN CITY 462.825 ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS CO INC SUNBURN 462.825 RUSH, TOWNSHIP OF DANVILLE 154.04 RUSH, TOWNSHIP OF DANVILLE 154.04 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 158.805 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 158.805 SNYDER, COUNTY OF TREVORTON 44.72 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 462.975 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 462.975 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.025 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.025 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.05 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.05 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.075 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.075 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.1 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.1 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.125 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.125 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.15 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.15 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.175 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 463.175 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 467.975 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 468 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 468.025 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 468.05 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 468.075 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 468.1 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 468.125 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 468.15 SHAMOKIN HOSPITAL SHAMOKIN 468.175 GREENS COMMUNICATIONS INC SHAMOKIN 462.75 PENNSEL COMMUNICATION SERVICES INC TREVORTON 462.85 FETTERMAN, ROBERT J TREVORTON 462.775 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF NUMIDIA 169.425 Yum Restaurant Licensing Corp. 33.16 Yum Restaurant Licensing Corp. 33.4 Yum Restaurant Licensing Corp. 154.515 Yum Restaurant Licensing Corp. 154.54 LOCUST, TOWNSHIP OF NUMIDIA 153.965 LOCUST, TOWNSHIP OF NUMIDIA 153.965 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVORTON 461.25 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVORTON 461.25 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVORTON 466.25 CLEVELAND, TOWNSHIP OF NUMIDIA 159.105 CLEVELAND, TOWNSHIP OF NUMIDIA 159.105 ANTHRACITE INDUSTRIES SUNBURY 151.865 ANTHRACITE INDUSTRIES SUNBURY 151.865 ANTHRACITE INDUSTRIES SUNBURY 157.68 ANTHRACITE INDUSTRIES SUNBURY 157.68 TACO BELL 457.5375 TACO BELL 464.9625 TACO BELL 468.3875 TACO BELL 469.9625 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF PORT TREVORTON 44.68 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF PORT TREVORTON 44.84 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J TREVORTON 452.5 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J TREVORTON 452.5 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J TREVORTON 457.5 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J 461.5625 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J TREVORTON 461.85 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J TREVORTON 461.85 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J 463.4875 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J TREVORTON 464.725 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J TREVORTON 464.725 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J 466.5625 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J TREVORTON 466.85 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J 468.4875 CONWAY, ROBERT J: CONWAY, THOMAS, J TREVORTON 469.725 DANA CORPORATION 461.1625 NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY AVTS SHAMOKIN 151.745 NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY AVTS SHAMOKIN 151.745 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF SHAMOKIN 45.16 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF SHAMOKIN 45.16 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF SHAMOKIN 453.825 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF SHAMOKIN 453.825 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF SHAMOKIN 453.9 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF SHAMOKIN 453.9 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF SHAMOKIN 458.825 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF SHAMOKIN 458.9 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 462.95 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 462.95 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 462.975 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 462.975 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.025 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.025 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.05 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.05 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.075 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.075 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.1 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.1 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.125 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.125 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.15 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.15 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.175 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 463.175 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 467.95 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 467.975 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 468 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 468.025 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 468.05 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 468.075 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 468.1 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 468.125 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 468.15 Northumberland, County of SHAMOKIN 468.175 LINDENMUTH, WAYNE SNYDERTOWN 151.565 LINDENMUTH, WAYNE SNYDERTOWN 151.565 LOCUST, TOWNSHIP OF NUMIDA 154.785 LOCUST, TOWNSHIP OF NUMIDA 154.785 PLANETH INC 151.955 DURDACH BROTHERS INC 151.865 SHAMOKIN AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT COAL TOWNSHIP 462.05 SHAMOKIN AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT SHAMOKIN 467.05 SPLINT VEIN COAL COMPANY INC PAXINOS 452.35 SPLINT VEIN COAL COMPANY INC PAXINOS 452.35 WAWA FOOD MARKETS 154.6 HAAS FARMS KLINGERSTOWN 153.5 HAAS FARMS KLINGERSTOWN 153.5 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVENTON 451.275 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVENTON 451.275 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVENTON 452.125 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVENTON 452.125 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVENTON 452.7 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVENTON 452.7 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVENTON 456.275 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVENTON 457.125 NESBIT, WILLIAM R TREVENTON 457.7 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 451.4 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 452.525 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 452.55 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 452.575 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 452.6 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 452.625 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 452.675 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 452.675 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 452.75 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 457.675 FLEETWOOD MOTOR HOME OF PA PAXINOS 462.475 SHAMOKIN YELLOW CAB SHAMOKIN 452.25 SHAMOKIN YELLOW CAB SHAMOKIN 457.25 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 451.4 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 451.4 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 452.225 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 452.225 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 452.85 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 452.85 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 456.4 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 457.225 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 457.85 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 463.95 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 463.95 CONWAY, ROBERT J:CONWAY, THOMAS J TREVORTON 468.95 MEQUIAR S INC 461.8 MEQUIAR S INC 462.075 MEQUIAR S INC 463.45 MEQUIAR S INC 464.15 PAPETTIS HYGRADE EGG PRODUCTS INC DBA QUAKER STATE FARMS UPPER MAHANTANGO TWP 451.5 PAPETTIS HYGRADE EGG PRODUCTS INC DBA QUAKER STATE FARMS UPPER MAHANTANGO TWP 451.5 PAPETTIS HYGRADE EGG PRODUCTS INC DBA QUAKER STATE FARMS UPPER MAHANTANGO TWP 456.375 PAPETTIS HYGRADE EGG PRODUCTS INC DBA QUAKER STATE FARMS UPPER MAHANTANGO TWP 456.5 PAPETTIS HYGRADE EGG PRODUCTS INC DBA QUAKER STATE FARMS UPPER MAHANTANGO TWP 456.675 COLUMBIA MALL BLOOMSBURG 462.5 COLUMBIA MALL BLOOMSBURG 462.5 COLUMBIA MALL BLOOMSBURG 467.5 ROCKEFELLER, TOWNSHIP OF SUNBURY 150.995 ROCKEFELLER, TOWNSHIP OF SUNBURY 150.995 BILLS ELECTRONICS TREVERTON 461.525 BILLS ELECTRONICS TREVERTON 463.7 BILLS ELECTRONICS TREVERTON 466.525 BILLS ELECTRONICS TREVERTON 468.7 PAPETTIS HYGRADE EGGS KLINGERSTOWN 462.9125 PAPETTIS HYGRADE EGGS KLINGERSTOWN 465.0125 PAPETTIS HYGRADE EGGS KLINGERSTOWN 467.9125 Tri-Valley School District Hegins 452.0125 Tri-Valley School District Hegins 452.0125 Tri-Valley School District Hegins 457.0125 Tri-Valley School District Hegins 461.9375 Tri-Valley School District Hegins 464.7625 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 457.5125 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 457.5375 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 457.5625 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 457.5875 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 457.6125 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 468.4875 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 468.7625 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 468.8375 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 469.1375 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 469.4625 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 469.6375 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 469.6625 MCDONALD'S SHAMOKIN 469.8875 KLINGERSTOWN FIRE CO# 1 KLINGERSTOWN 33.56 KLINGERSTOWN FIRE CO# 1 KLINGERSTOWN 33.56 KLINGERSTOWN FIRE CO# 1 KLINGERSTOWN 46.42 KLINGERSTOWN FIRE CO# 1 KLINGERSTOWN 46.42 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 457.5125 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 457.5375 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 457.5625 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 457.5875 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 457.6125 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 468.4875 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 469.1375 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 469.4625 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 469.6375 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 469.6625 BTU RESTAURANTS DBA MC DONALDS ELYSBURG 469.8875 NORTHWESTERN ACADEMY COAL TOWNSHIP 463.675 NORTHWESTERN ACADEMY COAL TOWNSHIP 463.675 NORTHWESTERN ACADEMY COAL TOWNSHIP 468.675 County of Northumberland SHAMOKIN 155.1 County of Northumberland SHAMOKIN 155.25 County of Northumberland SHAMOKIN 155.49 County of Northumberland SHAMOKIN 155.61 County of Northumberland SHAMOKIN 453.6 County of Northumberland SHAMOKIN 453.75 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF COAL TOWNSHIP 458.5375 SHAMOKIN AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT SHAMOKIN 155.205 SHAMOKIN AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT SHAMOKIN 155.235 SHAMOKIN AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT SHAMOKIN 155.235 SHAMOKIN AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT SHAMOKIN 155.265 ZERBY TOWNSHIP OF TREVORTON 154.875 ZERBY TOWNSHIP OF TREVORTON 154.875 HEGINS-HUBLEY AUTHORITY VALLEY VIEW 451.1125 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 153.875 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 154.77 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 154.845 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 155.52 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 155.64 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 155.73 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 155.79 RALPHO, TOWNSHIP OF ELYSBURG 158.85 KULPMONT, BOROUGH OF KULPMONT 453.05 NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY AIRPORT AUTHORITY ELYSBURG 119.175 From: billy_the_cat2000@... (billy_the_cat2000) does anyone have a list of the Mount Carmel, Kulpmont, Shamokin or Coal Twp "private" freqs? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 591 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 5, 2003 10:27am Subject: threaten privacy and security brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email New technologies can pinpoint your location at any time and place. They promise safety and convenience—but threaten privacy and security By Jay Warrior, Eric McHenry & Kenneth McGee http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/publicfeature/jul03/e911.html These RF-ID tags can be made much smaller and cheaper than ultra-wideband nodes, and they can be attached to just about anything. Each tag contains an antenna and a simple integrated circuit. It sends identification data in response to a query from a reader or scanner at distances of centimeters to meters. The tags can be passive, borrowing energy from the scanner's RF signal to send their reply, or they can be active, with battery power and the ability to transmit their own signals. While the tags use security codes and encryption, they can be as small as Hitachi's 0.4-mm2 chip. Originally designed to operate at around 134 kHz, today they work in frequency ranges extending as high as 5.8 GHz for longer-distance applications. 592 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 5, 2003 10:29am Subject: park’s communications system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Anyone on the list know what freq assignments the rangers are using? Bob =================================== The federal agency currently is involved in a study to determine how to bring the up to current standards, she said. As for staffing, Beck-Herzog said the regional park shares the same dilemma as the 388 other national parks and monuments. http://www.madison-news.com/2003/july/3/snp.shtml 593 From: Dave Date: Sat Jul 5, 2003 5:38pm Subject: Re: park’s communications system teamcourage Offline Offline Send Email Send Email they use all over the bands depending on the use law enforcoment trash clean up hotels naturest. I have over 300 freqs in use just in yellowsoten park worksntv@... wrote: >Anyone on the list know what freq assignments the rangers are using? > >Bob >=================================== >The federal agency currently is involved in a study to determine how to bring >the >up to current standards, she said. >As for staffing, Beck-Herzog said the regional park shares the same dilemma >as the 388 other national parks and monuments. > >http://www.madison-news.com/2003/july/3/snp.shtml > > > > > > > >Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@onelist.com > Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com > >Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > 594 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 12, 2003 8:47pm Subject: M/A-COM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Can a monitor or someone who knows the current system explain does the present system have major problems or is this another case of a good "sell job" for 800 mhz. Bob ============================================================ M/A-COM Inc., a business unit of Tyco Electronics and a leading manufacturer of critical radio systems deployed around the world, today signed a $25.7 million contract with the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA) to install a new 800 MHz voice and data communications system. The M/A-COM system will dramatically improve the MBTA's existing communications capabilities, providing MBTA riders and personnel a more secure and efficient transportation system. http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/030709/ma_m_a_com_awarded_1.html 595 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:58pm Subject: LUZERNE CO PA 911--ADDING 800 MHZ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There has been a lot of speculation/talk and rumors about Luzerne County going 800 Mhz--Well here are some facts. The county 911 center is ADDING 800 megs--NOT for voice comms but to put mobile data terminals in police cars.. Here's the info: Luzerne County is currently accepting proposals for a Mobile Data Communications System. If you would like to view the RFP and other important documents related to this project, please download them below. You will need Acrobat Reader to view the RFP. Page 10 has a list of freqs--other pages describe the system and how it will be used. http://www.luzernecounty911.com/MobileDataRFP.pdf 596 From: "John H. Guetherman" Date: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:06pm Subject: Re: parks communications system jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email --- In scan4good@yahoogroups.com, worksntv@a... wrote: > Anyone on the list know what freq assignments the rangers are using? > > Bob > =================================== The National Park Service, within the Department of the Interior, appears to mainly use frequencies within the 160-174 MHz federal band, with point-to-point links in the 410-420 MHz federal band. The Bureau of Land Management, the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the U.S. Park Police, and the Bureau of Reclamation are also under the DOI. http://www.doi.gov/bureaus.html Try this for NPS frequencies (Courtesy of SCAN CSP/Scan Colorado): http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9952/nps.htm NPS in Colorado: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9952/npsco.htm BLM in Colorado: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9952/coblm.htm Fish and Wildlife in Arizona use 164.625 repeater output on multiple sites. Different CTCSS tones are used at different sites. BLM in Arizona use 130.550 (Aircraft), 168.225 (Law), 168.300, 168.425, 168.550 (NIIMS Calling Simp.), 167.175, 169.700 (Nat. Law Simp.), 169.800 (Nat. Law Rptr.), 419.775, 419.875. NPS in Arizona has too many frequencies to list here. All Arizona info courtesy the Southwest Frequency Directory 7 http://www.scannerstuff.com John H. Guetherman Peoria, AZ. 597 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:09pm Subject: Scanner club meeting-Luzerne co Pa brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I'm willing to give it a shot--how abt u? Lets see who shows up for the next meeting of the Luzerne County scanner club... This Sunday 7/27/03--at the Curry Donuts on Wyoming Ave in Kingston----lets say 6pm. Bob WB3DYE 598 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 26, 2003 8:19pm Subject: public safety communications system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Montgomery County launched a $175 million public safety communications system this week that will allow police and firefighters to capitalize on a range of technological innovations. The new system means that when a cell phone caller dials 911, the police dispatcher will know the precise location of the caller. When paramedics arrive on the scene of an emergency, they will be able to get medical information from a computer in the firetruck or ambulance. The laptops, mounted in all emergency vehicles, also will give police and firefighters instant access to driving directions, criminal background information, even the location of the nearest fire hydrant. www.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Farticles%2FA31839-2003Jul22.html 599 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 26, 2003 8:21pm Subject: LEHIGH CO PA 911 SYSTEM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I'll bet a months pay that the "solution" will be 800 mhz--I assume the "sellers" are waiting in the wings! Bob ======================================================== Whitehall Township is hiring a Canadian company to help it work out bugs in its police radio system. Palidor Radio Communications Consultants Ltd. of Vancouver, British Columbia, will test Whitehall's police radio to see why officials have problems communicating with the county, Township Executive Glenn Solt said Tuesday. http://www.mcall.com/news/local/allentown/all-b6_5soltjul23,0,509642.story?col l=all-newslocalallentown-hed 600 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:26pm Subject: NEW LUZERNE CO Pa FREQ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email According to the FCC Luzerne Co Pa 911 has just been licensed to a new freq: 151.280. It's a repeater out. Please give it a listen and report what type of activity/pl's etc u may hear ;_) Bob WB3DYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 601 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Aug 2, 2003 10:50am Subject: tobyhanna army depot brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I was recently at the changing of command ceremonies at Tobyhanna Army Depot. While searching around i came across a new 800 Mhz frequency apparently being used by the soldiers on the base-- I also discovered that the DOD Police are using VHF. Question: Because of the war on terrorism should I post/ share the freq info. Bob WB3DYE 602 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 11:16am Subject: more nextel woes brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The WESH NewsChannel 2 investigation also showed Nextels -- those popular walkie-talkie radios -- also interfere with police and fire radios, knocking them out. http://www.wesh.com/news/2393889/detail.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 603 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 3:31pm Subject: Re: more nextel woes n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Now there's a scoop (see link at bottom)... "Inside each emergency radio, there's a tiny part that when removed, the Nextel interference is eliminated." Leave it to a news reporter to solve the "Nextel problem." I wonder which part it is.... Harry http://members.cox.net/marnells/kma367-1.htm <~~ LAPD Communications Div History, with some new OLD stuff ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 08:16 Subject: more nextel woes The WESH NewsChannel 2 investigation also showed Nextels -- those popular walkie-talkie radios -- also interfere with police and fire radios, knocking them out. http://www.wesh.com/news/2393889/detail.html 604 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:36pm Subject: Can Pa expect this? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I understand that this part of Texas is flat--Our area has lots of mountians. Pa has hired Ma/com to install an 800mhz system, which is already 60 million over budget. I wonder what will happen here in the mountianous ? Bob WB3DYE ============================================================= The waiting will continue as technicians from Massachusetts-based M/A-COM, the system's designer, struggle to understand why certain outlying areas of the county don't get proper reception. The first test of the radios in spring 2002 showed they fell only 2 percent to 3 percent shy of that 95 percent coverage goal. http://www.mysanantonio.com/expressnews/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=180&xlc=1032982 605 From: Don Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:56pm Subject: Re: more nextel woes ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email At 08:31 AM 8/10/03 -0700, you wrote: >Now there's a scoop (see link at bottom)... >"Inside each emergency radio, there's a tiny part that when removed, the >Nextel interference is eliminated." > >Leave it to a news reporter to solve the "Nextel problem." I wonder which >part it is.... It Was the On and Off button on the Nextel , put in the Off position , Only Kidding , But if Someone actually knows Please Post Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG 606 From: Marcelrf@... Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:38pm Subject: Re: [WFHSG] Re: more nextel woes Marcelrf@... Send Email Send Email From: worksntv@... Re: more nextel woes : "The WESH NewsChannel 2 investigation also showed Nextels -- those popular walkie-talkie radios -- also interfere with police and fire radios, knocking them out." http://www.wesh.com/news/2393889/detail.html ==================================================================================== Actually this modification has been known to most of us since 2001. This Mod only appiles to certain MTS-2000 radios. Others have performed modifications to System Sabers, Saber Si , XTS's to improve performence, however Motorola has not circulated and documentation as of yet. Several departments have ordered "Narrow Band" anttens cut to their specific operating frequencies. The Modification described below does not always solve the problem but it helps. Apparently in Orange County, Fl it worked there according to the media report. Details on the Orange County 800 MHz radio system: The Orange County 800 MHz radio system is a Motorola Smartzone, trunked radio system. There are eight (8) nodes on the Smartzone system. The main node is the Orange County twenty-eight (28) channel, eight (8)-site simulcast system. The other major node is the City of Orlando?s five (5) site, twenty-two (22) channel simulcast system. The other six (6) nodes are single site intelligent repeater sites ranging from four (4) to ten (10) frequencies per site. There are just over 6,000 Orange County users on the system with approximately 16,000 active ID?s system wide. The system supports 89 console positions located in seven (11) different locations. The modification that the report is refereing to is described below: ==================================================================================== SERVICE AND REPAIR NOTES Bulletin TECHNICAL INFORMATION /COMMERCIAL, GOVERNMENT & INDUSTRIAL SOLUTIONS SECTOR 8000 W. SUNRISE BLVD. / PLANTATION, FL 33322 / If applicable, enter this information or note this bulletin number and subject material in the appropriate equipment instruction manuals and make necessary schematic diagram changes. Enter this bulletin in the correct MASTER and CLASSIFIED INDICES for future reference. Labor or parts warranty reference is limited to products sold and in use in the United States, for products sold or in use internationally this bulletin is for informational purposes only. Radios that are Agency Approved must follow designated agency guidelines. SRN-ISO SRN - 1347 APC - 432, 466 Sept 2001 Memo To: SRN Mailing List Informational Only From: MTS2000 Subscriber Product Group Subject: In-Band High Level Intermodulation Enhancement for MTS2000 800MHz Radios Due to spectrum allocations that have placed commercial mobile radio service (“CMRS”) providers in the same band as Public Safety systems, some 800MHz Public Safety radios are experiencing interference in close proximity to CMRS sites. This interference can result in missed calls or unintelligible audio, even though the Public Safety receivers are operating in accordance with their published specifications. Cause: Intermodulation products of strong in-band signals (experienced close to CMRS sites) and the desired Public Safety signal may cause degraded receiver performance. APCO has published a “Best Practices” guide (available at http://apcointl.org/afc/800bpg.htm, then click on “Best Practices Guide”) that suggests several approaches to this problem for new and existing systems (see Best Practices Guide, pages 11-14). If the problem cannot be resolved by the suggested methods, it is in some cases possible to improve the situation by modifying the Public Safety subscriber radios. This bulletin details modifications that can be made to the MTS2000 portable radio to improve its performance in high-level IM environments. Affected Radios: MTS2000 800MHz band radios. Model: H01UCx9PW1xN Modifications: The service manual referenced in this procedure is part number 68P81200C75-O. Part numbers are referenced below in table according to selected “Modification”. Modification # 1 - NUF6500C and older PC board modification 1. Disassemble the radio in accordance with section 6 of the manual (pg. 29 – 33); kit number is located on the bar code label on the PCB as shown in Figure 1. 2. Remove Diode CR107 shown in Figure 1. 3. Place Capacitor part number 2113740A06 in place of the diode as shown in Figure 2. One end of the capacitor should bridge two of the diode pads. 4. Re-assemble the radio in accordance with section 6 of the manual (pg. 36 - 38). Summary Table Serial Reference Modification # 1 Modification # 2 Software Q334 Radios Shipped before July 2000 432 or 466AAMxxxx and earlier 2113740A06 None Needed Radios Shipped from July 2000 thru October 00 432 or 466AANxxxx thru AAVxxxx 0662057A42 (R1) 0662057A73 (R5) Yes Radios Shipped November 2000 & later 432 or 466AAWxxxx and later 0662057A42 (R1) 0662057A73 (R5) None Needed Future MTS2000 Orders Order No Charge Option None Needed None Needed None Needed X 5. Perform basic Sensitivity and power test to verify radio’s basic functionality. 6. No firmware changes are required for this modification. 7. When NUF6500C and older PC boards are modified as described here, increased receiver Hum & Noise may be noticed in extremely strong signal strength areas (-15 dBm and stronger). This Hum & Noise will be audible, but will not result in missed calls or unintelligible audio. Modification # 2 - NUF6500D PC board modification 1. Disassemble the radio in accordance with section 6 of the manual (pg. 29 – 33). 2. Replace resistor R1 with part number 0662057A42 3. Remove resistor R3. 4. Place resistor R5, part number 0662057A73, in location shown in Figure 1. 5. Re-assemble the radio in accordance with section 6 of the manual (pg. 36 – 38). 6. If the radio contains firmware older than R06.50, upgrade the radio firmware to the latest release. 7. Perform basic Sensitivity and power test to verify radio’s basic functionality Future MTS2000 Orders with option Q334 – will receive board NUF6533X PC board This board contains the enhancement as shipped from the factory. The Moto document with pictures. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YMA2P7eZBcBr9MOTrg6R0ByeKCSKIsVqejz2YVDELc1DHtj9SGY0-ZRi6JlK7XPe3pb1ECUgIG_NdJbs/SRN1347_MTS2000_Celluar_Interference_.pdf Harry Marnell wrote: > Now there's a scoop (see link at bottom)... > "Inside each emergency radio, there's a tiny part that when removed, the > Nextel interference is eliminated." > > Leave it to a news reporter to solve the "Nextel problem." I wonder which > part it is.... > > Harry > http://members.cox.net/marnells/kma367-1.htm <~~ LAPD Communications Div > History, with some new OLD stuff > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 607 From: Don Date: Tue Aug 12, 2003 0:23pm Subject: Michigan Scanner Law ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Attention Race Fans , I just read a article in Pop Communications the State of Michigan has raised the fine of being caught with a Mobile Scanner from $ 500 to $1000 Dollars The permit is Free http://www.mpscs.com/com-022.pdf There are exceptions -- if you are a police officer, amateur radio operator (technician class or higher), or have a permit from the police. Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG 608 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 12, 2003 10:00pm Subject: Someone who was not "sold" on 800 Mhz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A new Wood County radio system is receiving interference from the state. In 2001, the county began installing a new radio system which used UHF, rather than VHF, frequencies for communication. The change in systems was the result of a two-year study by the Communications Subcommittee of the Central Records Committee. The new system was expected to solve radio system problems including interference from other agencies on the same frequencies, radio signals bleeding into emergency frequencies and limited range on the portable radio units. http://www.wisinfo.com/dailytribune/wrdtlocal/278384098560546.shtml 609 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:36pm Subject: POTTSVILLE, PA NEW FREQ! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following info was provided by Marty: n3ptu@... (Marty Ripkee N3PTU) Green's Communications working Thursday on Pottsville City. New Municipul Freq. 151.415Rpt./159.240Input PL173.8 KLH939 Thanks Marty! Bob WB3DYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 610 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 19, 2003 8:46am Subject: lets try 700mhz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I can see the radio salesman now: ummm---800mhz doesn't work either---lets try 700mhz!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL Bob ============================================================== firefighters brought another problem to the fire scene with them: an aging and ineffective emergency radio system that many local officials say is a disaster waiting to happen. "I'm really surprised that no one's got hurt or nothing major has happened with the poor radio system we've got," said Yorktown Fire Chief Scott Davis, one of two volunteer fire department chiefs responsible for providing water at the Colonial Crest fire. http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/4/004082-8934-004.html 611 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:47am Subject: second alternative would be an 800 MHz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email At last weeks meeting of the Wyoming Public Safety Mobile Communications steering committee it was decided that the preferred alternative for a state-wide communications system would be a VHF APCO Project 25 Digital system. The second alternative would be an 800 MHz APCO Project 25 Digital system. http://ipc.state.wy.us/radio_index.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 612 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Aug 24, 2003 11:24am Subject: new group-consider joining brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is a group dedicated to Pa's 800 Mhz system which is being installed. Any information concerning this system can be posted here. I am especially interested in documented info such as articles from newspapers, state memo's etc. The purpose of this group is to showcase the plus's and minus's of the system. For those of you with inside negative information which state officials wouldn't want to get out there's an outlet for you.E mail me directly, send the info via snail mail to Bob Reynolds, Senior Reporter, WNEP TV 16 Montage Mtn Rd Moosic, Pa 18507, or post/send it via one of the many free mail services which are available. To subscribe send e mail to: PA-800MHZ-subscribe@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 613 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 26, 2003 10:52am Subject: impossible for Denver police to communicate brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Cellphone proliferation is making it nearly impossible for Denver police to communicate with their departments and each other in some areas of the city. At least six areas, each spanning several blocks, exist where police officers' radios simply do not work. The department has struggled with the problem for the past several years; at one point, at least 24 radio dead spots existed. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~1591346,00.html# 614 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Aug 30, 2003 10:25am Subject: interoperability brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I'm posting this for the following reason: Pa's 800 Mhz system is NOT Project 25 compliant---While the Federal government and other agencies push toward the abilty to talk to each other in the event of a disaster--Pa will be sitting on it's own electronic "island" Bob =========================================================== http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazinearticleid=181315& magazineid=3&siteID=29&releaseid=11536&mode=print Movement toward appears to be moving smoothly on the federal level. The Federal Emergency Management Agency's chief information officer has advised that the government's wireless efforts be consolidated into Project SafeCom to ensure that all emergency workers have access to interoperable equipment based on the P25 standard. The Defense Department has adopted a P25 compliance policy for land mobile radio systems as have a number of federal agencies, most recently the National Fire Association. 615 From: "Steven Lindquist" Date: Sun Aug 31, 2003 2:10pm Subject: Re: interoperability kf6yvd Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Albuquerque NM and Bernalillo County NM are in the same situation as they are operating on a 800 Mhz EDACS Provoice Digital System.... The possibility is being discussed right now of some of the other local communities going to a similiar system, so this entire region may be in this situation in the next couple of years.... Steven --- In scan4good@yahoogroups.com, worksntv@a... wrote: I'm posting this for the following reason: Pa's 800 Mhz system is NOT Project 25 compliant---While the Federal government and other agencies push toward the abilty to talk to each other in the event of a disaster--Pa will be sitting on it's own electronic "island" Bob 616 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:58pm Subject: giving scanner listeners a bad name brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=1419670&nav=7k75Hgrh 617 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Sep 1, 2003 10:13am Subject: Can u help this reporter? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following was posted on a list I subscribe to---Can anyone out there answer her question abt ten/alpha codes? If so do NOT post it here---Please direct it to HER e mail.. quick-ink@... (Christina Boyle) Thank u Bob ================================== *** This message was posted to the COPS & COURTS REPORTERS list. **** Does anyone know how or where to find the ten codes and alpha codes for local public safety? I'm told it's very difficult to get through the agencies directly. Christina Boyle Crime/Courts Reporter Rio Grande Sun Espanola, NM 618 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Sep 1, 2003 10:08am Subject: from another list--the pro96 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Rich Wells' popular site http://www.strongsignals.net has some VERY hot news on the new RS/GRE PRO96. It seems, for example, that they paid attention to the software from the other PRO9x series, and have an alpha version of Win96 from Don Starr doing the programming; and they are using data from trunkedradio net for loading their virtual banks. Rich's site also has a PRO96 board at: http://www.strongsignals.net/access/boards/pro-96/board.cgi and finally, there are no less than 4 PRO96 boards now on Yahoo groups; they are (in order of size, largest first): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RS_GRE-Digital-Scanner/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadioShackPro96/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRO-96owners/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRO-96/ Of particular interest is that it appears that the areas that have digital systems already in place will be the areas to which the scanner will ship first. That means that, for us, the state of Delaware, Baltimore city, Howard, Montgomery and St.Mary's counties, ect. will be the places to watch for this scanner first. We'll add a few of these links to our site in the near future. 73s Mike 619 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Sep 4, 2003 0:15am Subject: from a state "source" brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following information was paraphrased from a Pa Radio Project Office memo that I received through a non-Commonwealth entity: Factory Acceptance Testing for MA/COM's "Release 4" version of the software for PA's Open Sky system has been completed. Deployment commenced as of 8/29/03. This software release was a major upgrade to the infrastructure and mobile and portable radios. It represents delivery of all features, functions, and capabilities required by the Commonwealth's contract with M/A-COM. Testing in both the factory and in the field has shown major improvements in audio quality, data error performance, and in some cases, coverage. This release also incorporates voice encryption using the latest federal Advanced Encryption Standard, selective calling between units, a basic integrated status/message capability without the need for an MDT, VTAC capability in both Coverage Extension mode and Scene of Incident (SOI) mode, Emergency Call and Emergency Alert capability. Upgrading is being conducted using over-the-air download capability for mobile radios. Portable radios will be programmed manually at agency locations. The following enhancements are being worked on: * Changes to Emergency Call behavior to implement additional safety features. * Trunked Scan user interface changes to make use of scan more flexible. Deployment of both high-profile tower sites and low-profile cell sites to bring system coverage up to the project goal of 95% coverage by county throughout the state continues. The following "low cost" alternatives have been added to the equipment list for purchase by participating entities: * The P800 portable has been added; it is a limited-feature set P801 at a single-unit price of $1195, fulfilling the procurement goal of a low-cost fully digital portable radio for the system. * The DB800 has been added. It is a data-only wireless modem, suitable for use for fixed or mobile data-only applications. This unit does not include an enclosure, power supply, antenna, or installation, as it is intended to be integrated into other equipment (i.e., traffic signs, sensors, etc.). Single-unit price is $1195. 620 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Sep 14, 2003 9:51am Subject: M/A-Com Inc brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email And at a first-responder trade show last month in Indianapolis, companies such as EFJ Inc., ============= . and Motorola Inc. were hawking their Project 25-compliant radio systems. http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/18_11/emerging-tech/21560-1.html ==================================== I thought M/A-Com was trying to sell just it's Open Sky format. Bob 621 From: "Bob" Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:10am Subject: New Scanners BC 796D and BC 296D weimsno1 Online Now Online Now Send Email Send Email I see on grove communications that Uniden has a new scanner BC796D. It comes with the APCO 25 card and will scon 9600 baud as well as 3600. They also have a new handheld BC296D. Specifics to follow. You can find at http://www.grove-ent.com/newproducts.html P-25 (P-25 Card comes standard} Conventional P-25 Trunked at 3600 & 9600 Baud Mixed Mode {Analog control channel with mixed digital and analog voice channels} Trunk Tracker III Motorola Type I Motorola Type II VHF Motorola Type II UHF Motorola Type II 800 MHz Motorola Type II 900 MHz Ericsson/M/A Com EDACS Wide Ericsson/M/A Com EDACS Narrow Ericsson/M/A Com EDACS SCAT EF Johnson LTR Memory Channels: 100 Banks: 10 Frequency Range: 25-512 MHz; 806-956 MHz {less cellular}; 1240-1300 MHz PC Programmable/Controllable Alpha Tags CTCSS/DCS S.A.M.E. Weather Alert Audio Output: 1.8W nominal into 8W internal speaker Power Requirements: 12 VDC 500mAh (supplied) Antenna: BNC 50 ohms (Impedance) External Jacks: Antenna Jack BNC Type; Ext. Speaker Jack 3.5mm; Line Out Jack 3.5mm; AUX Jack RCA Type; DC Power Jack 5.5mm; Remote Jack 5 Pins Size: 6 15/16 x 6 9/16 x 2 3/8 in Weight: 50.8 oz No price stated yet Bob Holets Cedar Rapids,IA 622 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Sep 27, 2003 1:20pm Subject: Uniden 9000 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I've had a Uniden 9000 Xlt for a number of years----Finally after all this time I followed the manual and tried to put in some Alpha symbols to help me remember what I've got programmed in---- I'm stumped---I follow the directions---get the board to "read" what I want--press "enter" and the freq reads out but NOT the letters of what I've programmed in--- Can anyone help? Bob 623 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:57am Subject: growing-- movement to create more unlicensed frequencies brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email On the issue of spectrum, there's a small--if growing-- movement to create more unlicensed frequencies for ordinary citizen use. The New America Foundation seems to be a leading proponent of this philosophy, and has posted lots of information to support their proposals. Surf: http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?pg=program&ProgID=3 624 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Oct 11, 2003 0:20am Subject: an enhanced radio communication system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Scott County's rural firefighters now have an enhanced radio communication system, thanks to a cooperative effort between the Scott County Fire Chiefs' Association, the Scott County Sheriff's Office and a communications vendor, RACOM Corp http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1839&dept_id=110408&newsid=10281643& PAG=461&rfi=9 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 625 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Oct 11, 2003 0:23am Subject: NEXTEL won't say brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email NEXTEL won't say whether 800 MHz plan is 'take it or leave it ... RCR Wireless News ... it will turn down any plan proffered by the Federal Communications Commission to solve the interference problem public-safety is experiencing in the 800 MHz ... SHERIFF'S office wins $1.8 million grant The Casper Star Tribune, WY ... Most agencies in the county currently use an analog radio system. The Casper Fire and Police Departments use an 800 Mhz digital system. ... Date: Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:47pm Subject: FREE FREQUENCY SEARCH rlvalleman@... Send Email Send Email FREE FREQUENCY SEARCH for your city, county, location or the entire state. I am appalled at the companies that are charging for frequency searches for scanner users, this is a simple process and the results can be exported to most database programs for sorting or printing. The link is enclosed at the end of this post. I do a lot of traveling and found this information very useful. The site is updated constantly and can be accessed by service also. Time permitting I will do searches for those that can not navigate the site properly (tho it is easy to understand) Good Luck and STOP PAYING FOR YOUR FREQUENCY S Here it is http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/reports/index.cfm RLVAlleman www.rlvalleman.com 629 From: "rlvalleman" Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:43pm Subject: MUST READ rlvalleman@... Send Email Send Email For all those intrested I have made a bookmarklet(a java script link added to my favorites) for IE that pops up a small window for me to enter a frequency, upon clicking OK it searches the FCC database for all users of that frequency in my state. I do a lot of searching with my scanner and when an unknown frequency comes in I know who uses it in a matter of seconds through FCC's updated database. if anyone is intrested just email me with your STATE and I will email the fav. bookmarklet back to you for you to add to your favorites folder. RLVAlleman www.rlvalleman.com 630 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:49pm Subject: Re: MUST READ n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I like to check that out for California... thanks. Harry http://members.cox.net/marnells/kma367-1.htm <~~ LAPD Communications Div History, with some new OLD stuff ----- Original Message ----- From: rlvalleman To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 08:43 Subject: MUST READ For all those intrested I have made a bookmarklet(a java script link added to my favorites) for IE that pops up a small window for me to enter a frequency, upon clicking OK it searches the FCC database for all users of that frequency in my state. I do a lot of searching with my scanner and when an unknown frequency comes in I know who uses it in a matter of seconds through FCC's updated database. if anyone is intrested just email me with your STATE and I will email the fav. bookmarklet back to you for you to add to your favorites folder. RLVAlleman www.rlvalleman.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 631 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:29pm Subject: Pa's 800 Mhz system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This is a group dedicated to Pa's 800 Mhz system which is being installed. Any information concerning this system can be posted here. I am especially interested in documented info such as articles from newspapers, state memo's etc. The purpose of this group is to showcase the plus's and minus's of the system. To join send blank e mail to: PA-800MHZ-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Bob WB3DYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 632 From: "MIKE NOBAG" Date: Thu Oct 23, 2003 0:10am Subject: Re: MUST READ nobag_2000 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Please send one this way, sounds like a great idea. Thanks in advance. " The art of diplomacy is saying nice doggie, until you find a BIG stick." Nobag@... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rlvalleman To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: MUST READ For all those intrested I have made a bookmarklet(a java script link added to my favorites) for IE that pops up a small window for me to enter a frequency, upon clicking OK it searches the FCC database for all users of that frequency in my state. I do a lot of searching with my scanner and when an unknown frequency comes in I know who uses it in a matter of seconds through FCC's updated database. if anyone is intrested just email me with your STATE and I will email the fav. bookmarklet back to you for you to add to your favorites folder. RLVAlleman www.rlvalleman.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@onelist.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: scan4good-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/scan4good Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 633 From: Don Date: Sun Oct 26, 2003 5:58am Subject: Hi tech PD Car ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email New Police Cars Have Voice Recognition By DAVID TIRRELL-WYSOCKI, AP DURHAM, N.H. (Oct. 25) - A police officer sees a bank robbery suspect speed by and says "pursuit." Automatically, the cruiser's blue lights, siren, flashing headlights and video camera turn on. The car also sends a message to dispatch giving the location and saying the officer is chasing someone. This voice-recognition system is not a prototype - it's on patrol in New Hampshire today, and if the robbery scenario were to occur, officers could keep their hands on the wheel and eyes on the road instead of fiddling with switches, buttons, dials and microphones as they weave through traffic. It's called Project 54, after the 1960s police television comedy "Car 54, Where Are You?," and its global positioning system even answers the show title's question. University of New Hampshire engineers started developing the system in 1999 after they witnessed the number of tasks officers perform behind the wheel. "To pull you over for doing one thing, they have to do 12 different things," engineer Brett Vinciguerra said. "They have to turn the lights on, turn the siren on, figure out where they are, pick up the radio, turn on the video camera, radio in that they are pulling someone over." After two years of testing, state police have about 75 smart cruisers on patrol, with several more added weekly. UNH and several surrounding communities also use the smarter cars. A system with similar goals is being developed by Visteon Corp. of Dearborn, Mich. Called TACNET, a prototype is being tested by North Carolina State Police and in Maryland, Michigan and California. It should be on routine patrol this fall, said sales manager Jeff Pauley. Users of Project 54 say it has transformed radio communications for them. Instead of tapping a button to change channels, an officer now presses a button on the steering wheel - a reprogrammed cruise control switch - and tunes the radio to any community or troop station by calling out its name. The system uses a variety of standard voice-recognition programs, though officers can still operate equipment by hand. "Finding your channel out of 256 while you are trying to maneuver around traffic and through traffic can be a little stressful," says New Hampshire State Police Sgt. Mark Liebl, who has driven a smart cruiser for two years as Project 54's main guinea pig. UNH professor William Lenharth, the lead engineer, remembers the first time he sat in Liebl's cruiser. The front seat was jammed with equipment, and Liebl constantly reached away from the wheel. "He said, `I just feel around for things,"' Lenharth said. "I'm thinking, 'This is really pretty bad."' Vincent Stile, president of the Association of Police Communications Officials, kicked Project 54's tires at a recent convention and says he'd recommend it widely. "It's not a novelty," said Stile, head of radio operations for the Suffolk County Police Department on Long Island, N.Y. "It should be put into play." The system was born out of a New Hampshire tragedy in 1997, when a gunman killed two troopers, a part-time judge and a newspaper editor in the remote town of Colebrook. As local, state, county and federal officers from Vermont and New Hampshire tracked the killer, many couldn't talk to each other by radio. In response, agencies converted to digital systems to transmit voice and data. Adding computers was a logical next step, but with so much equipment already in cruisers, they had to consolidate. The program was helped by $15 million in federal grants. An increasing number of police agencies around the country have access to FBI and other databases through wireless digital communications. Project 54 enhances that feature by allowing officers to interact by voice rather than typing queries into a computer. Liebl said getting driver or criminal records now is a cinch. Previously, he radioed dispatch, waited his turn behind other calls, gave a driver's license number or name and birthdate, waited for the dispatcher to run the check, then either tried to remember the information as the dispatcher read it back or stopped to jot it down. Now, he hits the talk button, announces he wants a license check and calls the license number into a microphone mounted near the visor. Within eight seconds, the information is retrieved from the cruiser computer, which verbally relays it and displays it on a screen mounted to his right, below the dashboard. Liebl said the process makes it easier, and safer, to keep an eye on a suspect. The heart of the UNH system is a small computer in a console between the front seats, with several cigarette-pack-sized control boxes in the trunk that let the computer communicate with the cruiser equipment. Most of the hardware can be bought off the shelf at electronics and other stores for about $4,000, Lenharth said. Lenharth plans to license the software to police agencies for a couple hundred dollars and hopes a police-equipment maker will step in to mass-produce the controllers. So far, it appears Project 54's only major alternative is Visteon's TACNET system, which uses a slightly different format. TACNET is built around two computers in the trunk, with a screen mounted in the dash. Unlike Car 54, it can project information such as license checks on the inside of the windshield so an officer can read it and still keep an eye on a stopped driver. But TACNET's equipment takes up valuable trunk space, making it unacceptable for police agencies needing that real estate for spare tires and other equipment. Visteon plans to market its complete TACNET system for less than $10,000 per cruiser, Pauley said. He said Visteon may also seek to work with UNH. Project 54's team of six faculty members and 14 graduate students continues to work on enhancements. Within a year, Vinciguerra said, officers will be able to send messages or turn on cruiser equipment with a handheld device while outside their cars. That would, for instance, allow a wounded officer who might be unable to use a two-way radio to broadcast an automatic emergency message. Such a device might have saved a life in the 1997 New Hampshire incident that prompted Project 54, as one mortally wounded trooper sought shelter in a field when another drove up and was killed before he knew what was happening. 10/25/03 12:56 EDT 634 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Nov 1, 2003 11:23am Subject: INCLUDES INTEGRATED APCO P25 - 3600 & 9600 BAUD brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email COMING SOON!! NEW DIGITAL SCANNER UNIDEN BEARCAT BC796D MOBILE BASE 1000 CHANNELS. INCLUDES INTEGRATED APCO P25 - 3600 & 9600 BAUD DIGITAL CARD BUILT-IN. AVAILABLE IN APPROXIMATELY END OF DECEMBER / JANUARY (DELIVERY DATE IS NOT CERTAIN). WE WILL POST MORE INFORMATION AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE http://www.scannerworld.com/template.asp?viewproduct=BC796D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 635 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Nov 5, 2003 8:52am Subject: Coast Guard: New Communication System brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Coast Guard: New Communication System to Support Search and Rescue Faces Challenges. GAO-03-1111, September 30 http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-03-1111 636 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Nov 7, 2003 8:47am Subject: Smart Zone 800-megahertz system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Citing compatibility reasons, the Culpeper County Board of Supervisors agreed yesterday not to seek competitive bids on a $6.5 million public-safety radio system. The board voted 6-1 to use the sole-source procurement method to purchase the Smart Zone 800-megahertz system from Motorola. Supervisor Bill Chase cast the only vote against not seeking bids http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2003/112003/11062003/1158781/printer_fr iendly 637 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Nov 9, 2003 0:07pm Subject: fire communications challenges brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email When firefighters went face to face with the most destructive wildfire in California history, their most reliable method for communicating with each other may have been shouting. Among the post-mortems being conducted by fire officials is whether any of the more than 2,200 homes lost to the Cedar fire were destroyed because of communications challenges. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/fires/20031108-9999_1n8radio.html 638 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:16am Subject: police airwaves to broadcast audio pornography. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email After experiencing disruptions in their radio communication system dating back to last spring, Madison police arrested a 25-year-old University of Wisconsin student who may have used the police airwaves to broadcast audio pornography. http://www.badgerherald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/11/17/3fb84d5c83361 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 639 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:24am Subject: true cost and value of realigning the 800 MHz band brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email WIRELESS Industry Experts Endorse Consensus Plan as Best Solution ... Business Wire (press release) > ... These studies also present more complete and relevant information for > assessing the true cost and value of realigning the 800 MHz band. ... > http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_vi ew&newsId=20031121005435&newsLang=en 640 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:53am Subject: ==>ROHN ANNOUNCES ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Rohn is the company putting up towers for Pa's 800 Mhz system. Bob ================================================= Amateur Radio and telecommunications industry tower manufacturer ROHN Industries has announced that it's entered into an asset purchase agreement with SPX Corporation , a global, multi-industry company. ROHN filed September 16 for Chapter 11 (debtor-in-possession) relief in the US Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of Indiana. The deal will include ROHN subsidiaries that are party to the bankruptcy proceeding. "The asset purchase agreement provides for the sale of certain assets of the company and the affected subsidiaries to SPX Corporation for the amount of $5,450,000," ROHN said in a news release. Through its Broadcast and Communication Systems and Services division, SPX provides analog and digital TV and FM systems, high-frequency and medium-frequency antennas, transmission lines, towers and radio frequency filter systems for the broadcast market. SPX also is a major site developer for the PCS/cellular industry. The bankruptcy court must approve the ROHN-SPX agreement. ROHN filed an amended motion with the court November 13 seeking the court's approval of the asset sale and authority to sell the assets "after an opportunity is provided for competitive bidding." A hearing to consider proposed bid procedures is scheduled for November 25, and the bidding auction is set for December 8. The bankruptcy court is to consider approval of the asset sale December 9. In addition to its other products and services, ROHN manufactures towers, antenna support structures and "infrastructure equipment" for the telecommunications industry. Horace Ward is ROHN's chief executive officer. The company consolidated its manufacturing operations in Frankfort, Indiana, earlier this year. More information on the proposed deal with SPX is available on the ROHN Industries Web site (click on "Press Releases"). 641 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 0:25pm Subject: Someone stole the communications repeater brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Someone stole the communications repeater to the Greenbrier Fire Department If your house was on fire in Greenbrier, there was a chance firefighters might not show up. That's how it was for at least one night during the last week of October. Someone stole the communications repeater to the Greenbrier Volunteer Fire Department... meaning if dispatchers had to page firefighters at home that there was trouble.... the signal never would have got through. http://www.newschannel5.com/content/news/2704.asp 642 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 0:29pm Subject: the theft of a crucial piece of law-enforcement equipment. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Cocke County Sheriff's Department investigators and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation are looking into the theft of a crucial piece of law-enforcement equipment. Authorities are trying to determine who stole four $2,000 radio repeaters from a repeater station Thursday night. http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_2448680,00.html 643 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 0:32pm Subject: sophisticated burglars who used scanners and cell phones to elude police. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Savvy police in the 8th District recently captured a ring of sophisticated burglars who used scanners and cell phones to elude police. Says Beat 833 Officer Ronald Peinta, "What would happen is that two of them would sit back in the van, watching the building, watching for police, and listening to the scanner. The scanner would come across that there is a burglary in progress. The offenders would then...dial that phone...to the other phone that the other offenders would have inside the building, and say, ' http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalContentItemAction.do?blockN ame=Police%2f8th+District%2fContent&deptMainCategoryOID=-11110& entityName=8th+District&topChannelName=District&contentOID=536885645& Failed_Reason=Session+not+found&contenTypeName=COC_EDITORIAL&com.broadvision.ses\ sion.new=Yes& Failed_Page=%2fwebportal%2fportalContentItemAction.do&context=dept 644 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 0:32pm Subject: ==>ROHN ANNOUNCES ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Rohn is the company putting up towers for Pa's 800 Mhz system. Bob ================================================= Amateur Radio and telecommunications industry tower manufacturer ROHN Industries has announced that it's entered into an asset purchase agreement with SPX Corporation , a global, multi-industry company. ROHN filed September 16 for Chapter 11 (debtor-in-possession) relief in the US Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of Indiana. The deal will include ROHN subsidiaries that are party to the bankruptcy proceeding. "The asset purchase agreement provides for the sale of certain assets of the company and the affected subsidiaries to SPX Corporation for the amount of $5,450,000," ROHN said in a news release. Through its Broadcast and Communication Systems and Services division, SPX provides analog and digital TV and FM systems, high-frequency and medium-frequency antennas, transmission lines, towers and radio frequency filter systems for the broadcast market. SPX also is a major site developer for the PCS/cellular industry. The bankruptcy court must approve the ROHN-SPX agreement. ROHN filed an amended motion with the court November 13 seeking the court's approval of the asset sale and authority to sell the assets "after an opportunity is provided for competitive bidding." A hearing to consider proposed bid procedures is scheduled for November 25, and the bidding auction is set for December 8. The bankruptcy court is to consider approval of the asset sale December 9. In addition to its other products and services, ROHN manufactures towers, antenna support structures and "infrastructure equipment" for the telecommunications industry. Horace Ward is ROHN's chief executive officer. The company consolidated its manufacturing operations in Frankfort, Indiana, earlier this year. More information on the proposed deal with SPX is available on the ROHN Industries Web site (click on "Press Releases"). 645 From: "Dan Barnawell" Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:55pm Subject: Re: Someone stole the communications repeater dbnawell Offline Offline Send Email Send Email They got one near Knoxville, Tennessee also.. Cocke County.... http://www.wbir.com/News/news.asp?ID=15625 Dan (N4YSV) ----- Original Message ----- From: worksntv@... To: ka3qpq@... ; Hound@... ; kb3fck@... ; scanner@... ; scannist@... ; n2mca@... Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Someone stole the communications repeater Someone stole the communications repeater to the Greenbrier Fire Department If your house was on fire in Greenbrier, there was a chance firefighters might not show up. That's how it was for at least one night during the last week of October. Someone stole the communications repeater to the Greenbrier Volunteer Fire Department... meaning if dispatchers had to page firefighters at home that there was trouble.... the signal never would have got through. http://www.newschannel5.com/content/news/2704.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 646 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:53am Subject: $800,000 mobile police command bus brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email For Montgomery County, it was an $800,000 mobile police command bus that one official said "will be the talk of the East Coast, with most every conceivable feature." Prince George's County officials figured they could get the same roving command capacity with four Chevy Tahoes that cost $140,000. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6311-2003Nov22.html 647 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Nov 28, 2003 10:44am Subject: Pa's 800 Mhz future? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A $90 million effort to improve emergency communications in the state has run out of money, leaving 37 counties in southern and Central Indiana without technology deemed critical for public safety. In some cases, expensive equipment worth thousands of dollars is sitting in police departments and warehouses virtually untouched because Project Hoosier SAFE-T is incomplete. http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/095947-6604-092.html 648 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:41am Subject: mating a pro 95 to 2067? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone here know if it's possible to "clone" a Radio Shack pro 95 to a Radio Shack 2067. I believe I heard somewhere where it's possible to clone the ===pro 92 ==to the 2067--- Any input would be appreciated ;-) Bob WB3DYE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 649 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Dec 2, 2003 0:06pm Subject: much cheaper than comparable 800 MHz radios brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email At $750 each through the state bidding program, they are not cheap, > but much cheaper than comparable 800 MHz radios which go for $4,000 each, > Bellendir said. ... > 650 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Dec 2, 2003 0:09pm Subject: "2orgasm.wav"/emergency radio system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email After examining Mitra's computer, police found that a search for "sex sounds" on an Internet search engine had been done on it at 4:50 p.m. Nov. 11., according to the police report. An audio file entitled "2orgasm.wav" was downloaded and first played at 5:05 p.m., according to the police report. The Madison emergency radio system recorded the first interruption that day at 5:04 p.m. http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov03/186750.asp 651 From: "John H. Guetherman" Date: Sun Dec 7, 2003 5:26am Subject: Cell Phone jammers jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Article on MSN/Slate about cellular phone jamming. I put a reply in about how it would also jam public safety 800 MHz communications. I feel that public safety and radio communications professionals should also add their $0.02 in. Although jammers are illegal, they're still available and apparently being sold and used here in the States. There's also a "passive" jammer available. "Americans seeking a legal way to jam cell phones can look into "passive" jamming technologies. For instance, lining your office in lead should ensure that no signals get in or out. But if lead is too industrial to suit your décor, a more genteel alternative exists: You could install "magnetic wood" paneling throughout. A Japanese scientist, Hideo Oka, has invented a new kind of building material, saturated with magnetic particles made of nickel-zinc ferrite that supposedly deflect 97 percent of mobile-phone signals." Not to mention any other radio frequencies... http://slate.msn.com/id/2092059/ John H. Guetherman KB7MIB/WPXJ598 Peoria, AZ. 652 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:26am Subject: ANYONE KNOW? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone know what they are using now and who the vendor is for the new system? Bob WB3DYE =================== Keller said the department hopes to install its own 800 MHz system in the future, once funding is available. He estimated the cost at about $2.1 million. The move would bring the county in line with other counties using such a system and would allow better coverage and other features for local law enforcement agencies. http://www.reporter.net/cgi-bin/LiveIQue.acgi$rec=17676?lr_story [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 653 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:31am Subject: PEMA/800Mhz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email There was some flooding this week in Wyoming Co Pa. http://www.wnep.com/Global/story.asp?S=1560392&nav=5ka4JcIK Wilkes Barre sent their emergency communications unit to the county EOC. The operator, Bill Harding, KA3QPQ, was able to relay damage reports from where he was set up to the Pa Emergency Management Agency in Harrisburg via the state's 800 mhz system. http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=8441210&BRD=2259&PAG=461& dept_id=455154&rfi=6 Bob WB3DYE 654 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:26am Subject: South Dakota restricts scanners. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Apparently and to my surprise The STATE of South Dakota restricts scanners. both mobile and AC operated to an extrodinary level. They even restrict them in certain types of buildings...and a permit must be recieved from the AG's office for lawful use. http://www.strongsignals.net/access/boards/viewpost.cgi?board=message& num=14206 655 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 0:25pm Subject: SANTA WILL HAVE COMPANY IN THE CHRISTMAS SKY brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Santa Claus will have company in the sky above most US cities on Christmas Eve.it might be a good idea to monitor the 145.800-MHz downlink frequency just in case (the North American uplink frequency is 144.49 MHz). "The International Space Station will be visible, weather permitting, with its two crewmen snug in sleeping bags secured to the walls, with visions of dehydrated turkey dancing in their heads," NASA says. The ISS will pass over cities from New York to Los Angeles and most points in between. It will be easily visible at various times December 23-26. There's been no information from the Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) team to indicate that NA1SS will be active, More information is available on NASA's Satellite Sighting Information page . ISS Expedition 8 crew commander Mike Foale, KB5UAC, and cosmonaut and flight engineer Alex "Sasha" Kaleri, U8MIR, now are more than a third of the way into their six-month ISS duty tour. For the holiday, they will enjoy as traditional a Christmas as possible while in orbit some 230 miles above Earth. NASA says the crew has saved a special ration of smoked turkey just for the occasion. They also have Velcro ornaments and a space-saving NOMEX Christmas tree. "The crew has special Christmas stockings, filled by Santa before they left Earth, with special treats and gifts from family and friends," NASA says. On Christmas Day, they will see and speak with their families via a two-way video linkup. Back on Earth, teams of flight controllers and experiment investigators in Houston, Texas, Huntsville, Alabama, and Moscow will spend Christmas with the crew as well. "Keeping the station operating well is a 24/7 job," said NASA Flight Director Jeff Hanley. "We are sharing our holiday with our crew in space."--NASA 656 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:22am Subject: anyone know freq used/mode? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Each work station has a monitor for the digital radio system that links to a statewide digital communications system. Computer-mapping systems, which allow dispatchers to give out accurate directions, are also part of the center http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/12132003/news/65392.htm 657 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Dec 28, 2003 0:54pm Subject: In Va: a new communications system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Clarke County’s Red Cross unit gave the local Winchester-Frederick Chapter an early Christmas present this year: a new communications system. The Clarke unit not only bought two-way radios for its own volunteers, but created a network to link the chapter office in Winchester and the service delivery unit in Warren County. The group also bought compatible radios and base and mobile units for those areas. http://www.winchesterstar.com/TheWinchesterStar/031226/Area_radio.asp 658 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:16pm Subject: More 800 mhz woes brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Two San Diego County supervisors stopped just short this month of calling the county's ballyhooed, $90 million regional communications system worthless, saying it has repeatedly failed during catastrophes in recent years. Approved by supervisors in 1992 and put into action in 1998, the Regional Communications System was supposed to save lives and property by making it easier for emergency responders from 80 local, county and state government agencies, such as firefighters and sheriff's deputies, to talk to each other during catastrophes on one unified system. http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2003/12/28/news/top_stories/12_27_0321_37_15.t xt 659 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 9, 2004 1:01pm Subject: FROM TX. 800 MHZ TROUBLES brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The below mentioned article does not say sho the vendor is or if it's analog or digital--Anyone know? Bob ========= Police Chief Joe Clark explained that The Colony police have used the county's 800 megahertz radio system since 1991, when radio traffic was not as busy as it is now. "But the system was plagued with problems," Clark said http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10677974&BRD=1426&PAG=461& dept_id=528214&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 660 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 9, 2004 1:59pm Subject: have ir your way brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Police are looking for the person who has found a way to broadcast on the same frequency as a Burger King drive-through speaker, and has interrupted business transactions three times http://www.detnews.com/2004/metro/0401/08/a01-30426.htm 661 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jan 9, 2004 4:52pm Subject: Carvival Legend freqs brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I recently spent 8 days aboard the Carnival Legend cruise ship--- http://www.carnival.com/Ships/ships.asp?select=LE With scanner in tow here's what I found: 462.175-[unsure of use] 472.5375 [unsure of use] 468.3250 [maintenance people talking to room stewards] 467.575 [unsure of use] 457.575 [a lot of paging activity while at sea--all personnel have pocket pagers. they usually use a phone after getting paged] 457.575 [security talking to the bridge] 458.525 [unsure of use] 457.550 [cabin stewards] 469.950 [pursers] 464.275 [medical techs talking to doctor when a person in a wheel chair passed out, fell forward and literally hit the deck] 464.300 [unsure of use] 464.325 [unsure of use] There was also comms within the ship on the Marine channels. 156.700 [bridge talking to "pilot" crew. These are the people who come aboard when approaching a port and pilot the ship to shore] 156.550 [Legend pursers] All of these freqs are confirmed. Feel free to repost them on your favorite e mail reflectors and/or web sites. Bob Reynolds WB3DYE 662 From: "John H. Guetherman" Date: Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:40am Subject: Re: have ir your way jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email --- In scan4good@yahoogroups.com, worksntv@a... wrote: > > Police are looking for the person who has found a way to broadcast on the same frequency as a Burger King drive-through speaker, and has interrupted business transactions three times > > http://www.detnews.com/2004/metro/0401/08/a01-30426.htm > Fast-food drive throughs, Wal-Mart, and everybody else who use 154.570 and 154.600 may experience more of this kind of interference if the Multi-Use Radio Service becomes more popular. (Although there's no indication of what frequency this particular BK used.) MURS Channels: 151.820, 151.880, 151.940, 154.570, 154.600 Power Output: 2 watts transmitted Modes: Voice and Data Bandwidth and Deviation: 11.25 kHz bandwidth and 2.5 kHz deviation on the 151 MHz channels, and up to 20 kHz bandwidth and 5.0 kHz deviation on the 154 MHz channels http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal/murs/ http://www.provide.net/~prsg/murshome.htm John Peoria, AZ. 663 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jan 27, 2004 0:12am Subject: Missouri public safety radio channel brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In the event of a major emergency, law-enforcement agencies, first-responders and fire departments throughout Missouri now have the ability to interact with each other via radio.The Missouri State Highway Patrol has announced the implementation of the “MTAC” public safety radio channel, which is designed to allow emergency personnel to communicate through wireless means during critical incidents or other events when interagency communication is necessary. http://www.stjoenewspress.com/Main.asp?SectionID=81&SubSectionID=272& ArticleID=49379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 664 From: "ka9qjg1" Date: Sun Feb 1, 2004 3:34am Subject: Radio Problems ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Tonight on America's Most Wanted, they mentioned the problem of Police Radio Interference on 800 Mhz and are asking everyone to join in the fight. They mentioned the problems are Cellular towers and Nextel. http://www.amw.com/amw.html and click on Interference Emergency at the top right. 665 From: Walter Howard Date: Sun Feb 1, 2004 11:25pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 413 ka1jfy Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Unfortunately, he didn't say that the (incorrectly named) "Consensus Plan" is sponsored by NEXTEL, to get their ass out of the wringer it's in because of the inappropriate use they've made of the 800 MHz channels they own. Walter On 1 Feb 2004 18:01:57 -0000 scan4good@yahoogroups.com writes: > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 03:34:09 -0000 > From: "ka9qjg1" > Subject: Radio Problems > > > Tonight on America's Most Wanted, they mentioned the problem of > Police Radio Interference on 800 Mhz and are asking everyone to > join in the fight. They mentioned the problems are Cellular towers > and Nextel. > > http://www.amw.com/amw.html and click on Interference Emergency at > the top right. > 666 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Feb 5, 2004 8:52am Subject: Antenna testing brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://myweb.accessus.net/~090/antenna.html Here's a guy checked out various antenna's on his own time and money and looks like he did a very good job in comparing antenna's. At the bottom of the page is a antenna finder for want of better word.. type in the frequency you want, click on results and you see what lengths you need for full,3/4, 5/8, 1/2, and 1/4 wave antenna's 667 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Feb 6, 2004 8:46am Subject: pro 95 att brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I have a Pro 95 I use at work--Sometimes there is a need to  attenuate SOME of the channels---Not the "global attenuate function" Is there a way to delete all attenuate channels--without manually stepping through all the channels to see which ones have been deleted???? Thanks in advance for any help/direction. Bob WB3DYE 668 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 7, 2004 0:35pm Subject: 800mhz news brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email NO mixed signals here - Wednesday 04, February-2004 Nation News ... in particular, police and fire personnel have found themselves unable to use their two-way radios because cellular towers sending signals on the same 800 MHz ... COUNTY board makes changes to agricultural zoning Paynesville Press ... Stearns County accepted a $3 million state grant that would begin the process of preparing the county for hook-up to the state's 800 MHz telecommunications ... 669 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Feb 8, 2004 11:01am Subject: more 800 mhz news brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The updated system calls for signals to be transmitted through UHF, instead of VHF signals, a change that should eliminate dead zones and channel interference. ... 670 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:46am Subject: VHF OR 800MHZ-ANYONE KNOW? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Law enforcement committee members Dave Rufenacht and Randy Roderick said Madison-based General Communications' $2.4 million bid was about $800,000 less than the one submitted by the Chicago-based M/A Com. They added General Communications also knows Green County's current radio system because it has worked with all the Green County radio system users in the past. http://www.themonroetimes.com/o0211gcb.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 671 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:30am Subject: next-generation narrowband tacticalsatellite communications system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A team led byLockheed Martin today submitted its proposal to design and buildthe Mobile User Objective System (MUOS), a next-generation narrowband tacticalsatellite communications system for the U.S. Navy that will providesignificantly improved and assured communications for the mobile warfighter. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK3.story& STORY=/www/story/02-17-2004/0002111144&EDATE=TUE+Feb+17+2004,+01:41+PM 672 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:40am Subject: new freqs for state prison brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email PW WPZP796 PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF, DEPT OF CORRECTIONS - DAVID D GARLINGER CAMP HILL, PA [government entity; state correctional institute] ctrl pt 1 - HC2 BOX 18, ROUTE 66 MARIENVILLE PA 717-975-4929 02/17/04 License Issued 1 - HC2 BOX 18 ROUTE 66 MARIENVILLE (FOREST) PA 460.025 29' FB 110e 460.25 29' FB 110e 460.5 29' FB 110e 2 - 24 KMRA around site 1 460.025 MO 100x25e 460.25 MO 100x25e 460.5 MO 100x25e 465.025 MO 100x25e 465.25 MO 100x25e 465.5 MO 100x25e 673 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:00pm Subject: Gerritsen again: Jail Term Enforces Temporary Radio Silence on Former Amateur n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/02/27/101/?nc=1 Jail Term Enforces Temporary Radio Silence on Former Amateur NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 27, 2004--All's quiet on the Western Front--at least for the time being. Now that former amateur licensee Jack Gerritsen, ex-KG6IRO, of Bell, California, is back behind bars until March 24, Los Angeles-area Amateur Radio repeater owners and law enforcement agencies are breathing a short sigh of relief. Hams and police have long complained to the FCC that Gerritsen has been illegally transmitting on repeaters using the ham radio call sign he'd held for about a week in 2001 and has been jamming public safety transmissions. Some two dozen amateurs and a handful of law officers were on hand to see Gerritsen get his day in federal court February 23 on a relatively minor charge that he ignored a posted entryway to the courthouse roof--reportedly with a portable transceiver and extra batteries in hand. Federal Judge Carolyn Turchin said the battery pack, wrapped in black electrical tape, looked like a possible bomb to the officers who arrested him. Gerritsen received the maximum penalty on the trespassing charge--30 days in jail and a $2500 fine plus court costs. If he doesn't pay up by May 15, the government will impose a real estate lien against Gerritsen's house. Many members of the amateur community had written Turchin regarding Gerritsen's alleged on-the-air behavior. Turchin apologized to the amateurs because she could not take their unsolicited letters into consideration for the trespassing case. She did forward them to federal probation officials handling Gerritsen's case, however. Amateurs and law officers--some of them also amateur licensees--remain unhappy at the slow pace of progress in prosecuting Gerritsen on the radio interference-related allegations, however. Some sheriff's deputies claimed this week that Gerritsen only recently had transmitted on public safety frequencies. Amateur repeater owners already are in the habit of shutting down their machines altogether when transmissions they attribute to Gerritsen start up. The FCC pulled Gerritsen's Technician ticket only a few days after granting it in 2001 after learning that he'd been convicted the previous year in state court of interfering with Los Angeles Police Department radio transmissions. The FCC also had heard complaints from amateurs that Gerritsen was operating without a license and causing malicious interference on numerous repeaters. Gerritsen has told ARRL that the FCC had no right to take away his ham radio license without affording him a hearing, and he considers himself to still be a licensee. FCC administrative procedures permit the Commission to rescind a license grant within 30 days without a hearing, however. Last fall, the FCC also set aside Gerritsen's General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) license, basing the action on what it described as "continuing unlicensed operation and complaints of deliberate interference from transmitters you operate." The next steps for the FCC are a forfeiture proceeding and criminal prosecution, although it can take months--even years--before such cases ever go to court. A Hearing Designation Order for Gerritsen already is slowly working its way through the FCC bureaucracy. Gerritsen's Amateur Radio and GMRS applications have reverted to pending status. FCC Special Counsel for Enforcement Riley Hollingsworth has told Gerritsen that the FCC will make the GMRS application part of the record when it holds a hearing on his amateur application to determine if Gerritsen is qualified to be a Commission licensee. In such a hearing, the burden of proof is on Gerritsen. The FCC alleges that when Gerritsen was paroled after serving one year of a five-year sentence for earlier radio-related violations, he resumed operating and caused deliberate interference to numerous amateur repeaters as well as to public safety radio systems. In May 2002, Gerritsen was sentenced to three years in prison--with credit for good behavior, work time and time already served--but he was released early due to jail overcrowding, Hollingsworth said. Hollingsworth says the FCC investigation into Gerritsen continues, but patience on the part of the amateur repeater owners and law enforcement agencies is starting to wear very thin. Hollingsworth has expressed his own frustration that Gerritsen was released from prison with no conditions or restrictions on possession or use of radio equipment, "which is what he was in there for in the first place." "We are doing what we can, commensurate with the responsibilities of a very small FCC office having to cover a lot of real estate," Hollingsworth told one frustrated member of the law enforcement community who expressed disappointment in the FCC's lack of action. "We'll all be glad when this is taken care of." 674 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:50am Subject: Any scanner listeners out there hearing this? brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Americans in gun sights of Mexican army http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37563  Editor's note: John Dougherty's recent book, "Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border," is available at WorldNetDaily's online store.  © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com  You'd think frequent gun battles along the U.S.-Mexico border between federal agents and citizen border-monitoring groups on this side, and drug and people smugglers on the other side, would make the national headlines.  If you thought that, you'd be mistaken. Just ask Chris Simcox, owner of the Tombstone (Ariz.) Tumbleweed newspaper, and head of one such border group. He's trying to get the word out; few are listening and, apparently, that includes anyone in Washington.  In an e-mail to select correspondents last month, Simcox said there was "another" shootout very similar to others that have occurred with increasingly frequency along remote areas of the Arizona border – areas known to be frequented by drug and alien smugglers and elements of Mexican "authorities" (which often has included federal troops and police) that escort them to the border.  675 From: "John H. Guetherman" Date: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:41am Subject: Re: Any scanner listeners out there hearing this? jhguetherman Offline Offline Send Email Send Email --- In scan4good@yahoogroups.com, worksntv@a... wrote: > Americans in gun sights of Mexican army > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37563 > http://www.americanborderpatrol.com/ http://www.americanpatrol.com/ John Peoria, AZ. 676 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Mar 19, 2004 0:45pm Subject: Sounds something like Open Sky brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Sounds something like Open Sky...Ma/Com is the only game in town--no bidding allowed---Open Sky is priporiety---Only MA/Com radios will work on Open Sky. APCO 25 format--the national standard is not being used for the Pa system. Bob ========================================================== Garber said the 800-megahertz radios being used by the Calexico Police Department won't work with IVECA's system. "If you want to get on the system, you have to deal with IVECA," he said. At the December 2002 meeting, IVECA officials told the council that the hardware of the system, which will be updated annually, has a shelf life of 12 years. http://www.ivpressonline.com/articles/2004/03/17/news/news08.txt 677 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:18am Subject: ASTRO 25 Trunked Integrated Voice and Data System brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Today, Motorola, Inc. (NYSE:MOT) announced the release of its latest Project 25 compliant system offering – ASTRO 25 Trunked Integrated Voice and Data System. Shipping now, this system release features Integrated Voice and Data (IV& D) capabilities, providing the public safety market with access to both voice and data messaging from a single wireless communications infrastructure. The new ASTRO 25 Trunking system improves communications security by providing encryption key assignment over system radio channels (Over the Air Re-keying) and enhanced network security tools http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,4017_3378_23,00.html 678 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:49am Subject: calls for investigation of Pa's 800 mhz deployment brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Those who have info for Monroe County lawmaker Kelly Lewis can e mail him at :Klewis@... As of this writing the Governor says he wants to get to the bottom of this. ============================================== Pennsylvania House of Representatives Contact: Todd Abele House Republican Communications (717) 787-3993 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 22, 2004 Lewis, Browne Request Audit and Review Of Statewide Radio System Project Original Price Tag of $179 million now exceeds $400 million  HARRISBURG – Two members of the House Finance Committee and House Judiciary Committee requested an audit and review of the beleaguered statewide radio system project, which remains three years behind schedule.      Rep Browne stated, “In 1996 the Commonwealth budgeted $179 million to fund the statewide radio system project. In the spring of 1999, the contracts for the statewide radio system were awarded and scheduled to be installed, tested, and operational by April 2001. Cost overruns and delays continue to plague the project and we believe a thorough audit and review is reasonable and warranted.  Rep Lewis added, “Today, we ask the Administration, the Auditor General and the Attorney General to audit and review the statewide radio system project for good reason. Recent testimony at the House Appropriations committee indicated the total project costs now exceed $400 million. To date, the project is over $220 million over-budget and three years behind schedule. I’m very concerned that a project of this size and importance has languished for so long and for so many taxpayer dollars.”  Four vendors were awarded components of the overall statewide radio project. M/A Com received the largest portion of the contract, which includes installation of the radio system using their OpenSky technology.  Lewis, and Browne, who are both lawyers and accountants, indicate the complexity of the interdepartmental accounting, the implementation delays in the radio system implementation and the rapid changes of available technology warrant a thorough audit and review of this situation.  Rep Lewis continued, “I’ve heard and read from several public safety leaders that the proposed statewide radio system won’t work as planned and will continue to experience cost-overruns, delays and coverage shortfalls. Several experts question the use of 800 MHz technology and its growing interference difficulties. While I have a proven record of supporting and encouraging high technology investments by local, county and state governments, I’m very concerned that we aren’t headed in the right direction with the statewide radio system project.”  Rep Browne concluded, “Obviously, Pennsylvania public safety requires a modern telecommunications system for law enforcement and related agencies to communicate and I believe that was one of the main reasons to commence the statewide radio system project. However, I share concerns about the costs, delays and technology shortfalls. We can’t afford to squander an opportunity to get to the bottom of this situation as soon as possible.”   In September 2003, Rohn Industries, Inc., the company responsible for constructing the 800 Mhz radio tower sites filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.  Recently, several industry reports are questioning the effectiveness and interference blackouts of public safety agency radio systems using 800 Mhz frequency radio systems.  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 679 From: Marcelrf@... Date: Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:53pm Subject: Re: [800interference] calls for investigation of Pa's 800 mhz deployment Marcelrf@... Send Email Send Email What took the so long? worksntv@... wrote: > Those who have info for Monroe County lawmaker Kelly Lewis can e mail > him at :Klewis@... > > As of this writing the Governor says he wants to get to the bottom of > this. > ============================================== > > Pennsylvania House of Representatives > > Contact: Todd Abele > > House Republican Communications > (717) 787-3993 > > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > April 22, 2004 > > > > Lewis, Browne Request Audit and Review > > > > > > > > Of Statewide Radio System Project > > > > > Original Price Tag of $179 million now exceeds $400 million >  > HARRISBURG – Two members of the House Finance Committee and House > Judiciary Committee requested an audit and review of the beleaguered > statewide radio system project, which remains three years behind > schedule.     >  > Rep Browne stated, “In 1996 the Commonwealth budgeted $179 million > to fund the statewide radio system project. In the spring of 1999, > the contracts for the statewide radio system were awarded and > scheduled to be installed, tested, and operational by April 2001. > Cost overruns and delays continue to plague the project and we believe > a thorough audit and review is reasonable and warranted. >  > Rep Lewis added, “Today, we ask the Administration, the Auditor > General and the Attorney General to audit and review the statewide > radio system project for good reason. Recent testimony at the House > Appropriations committee indicated the total project costs now exceed > $400 million. To date, the project is over $220 million over-budget > and three years behind schedule. I’m very concerned that a > project of this size and importance has languished for so long and for > so many taxpayer dollars.” > >  > Four vendors were awarded components of the overall statewide radio > project. M/A Com received the largest portion of the contract, which > includes installation of the radio system using their OpenSky > technology. >  > Lewis, and Browne, who are both lawyers and accountants, indicate the > complexity of the interdepartmental accounting, the implementation > delays in the radio system implementation and the rapid changes of > available technology warrant a thorough audit and review of this > situation. >  > Rep Lewis continued, “I’ve heard and read from several public > safety leaders that the proposed statewide radio system won’t work > as planned and will continue to experience cost-overruns, delays and > coverage shortfalls. Several experts question the use of 800 MHz > technology and its growing interference difficulties. While I have a > proven record of supporting and encouraging high technology > investments by local, county and state governments, I’m very > concerned that we aren’t headed in the right direction with the > statewide radio system project.” >  > Rep Browne concluded, “Obviously, Pennsylvania public safety > requires a modern telecommunications system for law enforcement and > related agencies to communicate and I believe that was one of the main > reasons to commence the statewide radio system project. However, I > share concerns about the costs, delays and technology shortfalls. We > can’t afford to squander an opportunity to get to the bottom of this > situation as soon as possible.”  >  > In September 2003, Rohn Industries, Inc., the company responsible for > constructing the 800 Mhz radio tower sites filed for Chapter 11 > bankruptcy protection.  Recently, several industry reports are > questioning the effectiveness and interference blackouts of public > safety agency radio systems using 800 Mhz frequency radio systems. >  > > Yahoo! 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Subscribe to WFHSG: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WFHSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 680 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:02pm Subject: LAFD & LAPD "cellphone gridlock" n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From Sunday's Daily News http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~2108307,00.html# Police, fire signals jammed, jeopardizing public saftey By James Nash Staff Writer Cell phone users have become so numerous in Los Angeles they have crowded out police and firefighter services that use the same bandwidth, creating a sweepstakes with potential life-and-death consequences as public safety transmissions are drowned out by stronger cellular phone signals. The problem lies in the 800 MHz bandwidth... 681 From: Ben Russell Date: Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:10pm Subject: Re: [SCAN-PA] calls for investigation of Pa's 800 mhz deployment benrussellpa@... Send Email Send Email Somebody, somewhere, asked for a link to verify this press release. Go to Rep. Lewis' homepage and click on latest news. The press release can found on that page. http://dist189.pa-leg.com I tried looking on the PA Legislature website (http://www.legis.state.pa.us), but there are no press releases there. The House Democratic Caucus website (http://www.pahouse.com) and House GOP Caucus website (http://www.pahousegop.com) has press releases, but not this one. An interesting development to say the least. Ben R. --- worksntv@... wrote: > Those who have info for Monroe County lawmaker Kelly Lewis can e mail him at > :Klewis@... > > As of this writing the Governor says he wants to get to the bottom of this. > ============================================== > > Pennsylvania House of Representatives > > Contact: Todd Abele > House Republican Communications > (717) 787-3993 > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > April 22, 2004 > > > Lewis, Browne Request Audit and Review Of Statewide Radio System Project > > Original Price Tag of $179 million now exceeds $400 million > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover 682 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:52pm Subject: stupid move. consultant would be watchdog for vendor brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Despite a passionate plea from county fire chiefs, the Monroe County commissioners decided overwhelmingly last night to rescind an earlier decision to hire a consultant to oversee installation of its new $8.9 million emergency communications system."I'm disappointed. We're shocked," said http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040428/NEWS17/40428038 2/-1/NEWS 683 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat May 1, 2004 1:26pm Subject: 800 megahertz system. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Chesterfield Township's current communication system soon will be placed on a shelf and replaced by a new, $850,411 system that will allow the department's police officers to communicate with other officers using the 800 megahertz system. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11377966&BRD=988&PAG=461& dept_id=141269&rfi=6 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 684 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun May 2, 2004 10:37am Subject: question brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Check out the following site. We know that Pa's project is NOT totally operational--how about the others????????? Bob http://www.opensky.com/programs.asp 685 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:48am Subject: MORE ON MA/COM AND NEW YORK STATE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The statewide wireless network will replace outdated and sometimes unreliable systems with a digital radio network that the state Office for Technology Web site says is increasingly critical for homeland security after the Sept. 11 attacks.It also will require a yet-to-be determined number of towers to be built in the state's Adirondack and Catskill parks, Roddy said. http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=244137& category=STATEOTHER&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=5/1/2004 686 From: marnell@... Date: Wed May 5, 2004 0:18pm Subject: News Story n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11442766&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=4160\ 46&rfi=6 +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + As featured in the on-line version of Scranton Times Tribune. + Web Address: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=2185 +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 687 From: "Billy Lay" Date: Thu May 6, 2004 3:42am Subject: live scanner blay92301 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi my name is Billy can somebody please give me some tips for brodvasting my scanner online thanks 688 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu May 6, 2004 8:35am Subject: MORE FROM REP LEWIS ON PA 800 MHZ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Wednesday May 05, 2004 State, county and local governments have already invested $400 million in a statewide 800 megahertz (Mhz) public safety radio system to link first responders, but the system is mired in delays, unanticipated costs, and doesn’t promise to cover the entire state, said Rep. Kelly Lewis (R-Monroe and Pike), who has written to Auditor General Robert Casey and formally requested a review and audit of this Project. http://www.pahousegop.com/index.cfm?ContentID=3821&ParentID=117&SectionID=218& SectionTree=89,117,218&lnk=b&ItemID=3796 689 From: vivian_cummins@... Date: Sat May 8, 2004 1:05am Subject: Hello vivian_cummins@... Send Email Send Email I hope the patch works. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 690 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun May 9, 2004 11:52am Subject: Mobile repeaters and NY State Wireless Network brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email -------- Original Message -------- From: blitz Subject: Re: Mobile repeaters and NY State Wireless Network After watching this for a week, some comments, having serviced the NY state police vhf system off and on for years now. There are certain obvious problems with saying vehicular repeaters will supplant a tower system. First, mobile elevation is crap. Unless you're going to park a patrol car on a mountain peak, with a battery charger this is not a good substitute for towers. Second, in any event, cars tend to cluster. On interstates, near doughnut shops, anywhere but where they would be helpful to expand the coverage. There will be multiple cars keying up all the time, contributing to theproblem when this happens. Interstates and normal highways run thru valleys, not on mountaintops. It happens. Nothing is going to change that. Next, take the inherent path degradation of digital over an analog system, I know you're going to say that's all worked out, but again, it taint so. Digital isn't as good as analog over a shaky vhf channel. I know the Adirondacks, I hunt there, were talking mountains and valleys, and a lot of rock between highways. Its not going to be much help to add mobile repeaters. The Statzpolitzi used to have them a while back statewide, and they ripped them out..another GE fiasco. More maintenance than they were worth. My guess is in the Adirondacks they will utilize ranger stations and fire lookouts for repeaters and come up with an excuse to build more. I dont see much other way out, OR they can revert to their old low-band 42 mhz channels for mountainous terrain. They're used in other areas now, and still licensed statewide. Their statewide coverage on vhf is pretty good now, using 100 watt bases and 100 watt mobiles. I don't see this project improving anything. There will be work-around's if its to perform even at the present levels. Bottom line, is, it's all politics, someone putting a big chunk of cash in their pockets, nothing else here in NY is done unless its bribes up the wazoo. This is merely the latest collusion between sales cretins and politicians. They should fix the crumbling roads and bridges before they spend anything on radios, I hate to say, but it's true, but theyre too busy squandering the taxpayers money on welfare and giving illegal aliens free college educations while state citizens have to pay for theirs. 691 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun May 9, 2004 8:48pm Subject: NYS 800Mhz Ma/Com brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I tried to e mail to this group the e mail addresses of members of the New York General Assembly House Ways and Means committee which may take up the Ma/Com contract and the controvsary about the proposed system. The e mail reflector would not accept it--If anyone wants the e mail list please let me know and I will e mail the info to u ;-) Bob WB3DYE 692 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon May 10, 2004 1:06am Subject: test message - disregard n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email testing 1 2 4 5 3 693 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon May 10, 2004 1:24am Subject: Fw: NYS 800Mhz Ma/Com n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: WORKSNTV@aol.com To: marnell@cox.net Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 18:07 Subject: Re: NYS 800Mhz Ma/Com For those of you who wish to contact the New York State Ways and Means Committee, which has an interest in the controvsary over the MA/Com contract for New York, they can be reached at the following e mail addresses: Bob coltonw@assembly.state.ny.us, destitr@assembly.state.ny.us, diazr@assembly.state.ny.us, dinapot@assembly.state.ny.us, espaila@assembly.state.ny.us, ganttd@assembly.state.ny.us, glickd@assembly.state.ny.us, grannis@assembly.state.ny.us, greenr@assembly.state.ny.us, greenea@assembly.state.ny.us, hayesj@assembly.state.ny.us, hoyts@assembly.state.ny.us, kirwant@assembly.state.ny.us, lafayei@assembly.state.ny.us, lentolj@assembly.state.ny.us, mcenenj@assembly.state.ny.us, mclaugb@assembly.state.ny.us, millsh@assembly.state.ny.us, nolanc@assembly.state.ny.us, normanc@assembly.state.ny.us, parmenw@assembly.state.ny.us, perryn@assembly.state.ny.us, pretloj@assembly.state.ny.us, schimmr@assembly.state.ny.us, spanom@assembly.state.ny.us, stephew@assembly.state.ny.us, stranir@assembly.state.ny.us, thielef@assembly.state.ny.us, toccir@assembly.state.ny.us, weinsth@assembly.state.ny.us, winnerg@assembly.state.ny.us, Silvers@assembly.state.ny.us 694 From: mch Date: Mon May 10, 2004 8:41pm Subject: Re: [Scanner-Radio] Mobile repeaters and NY State Wireless Network mch@... Send Email Send Email Sounds like someone doesn't know what a mobile repeater is! worksntv@... wrote: > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: blitz > Subject: Re: Mobile repeaters and NY State Wireless Network > > After watching this for a week, some comments, having serviced the NY > state police vhf system off and on for years now. > There are certain obvious problems with saying vehicular repeaters > will supplant a tower system. Later on, you say that mobile coverage is fine. If that is the case, using mobile repeaters to allow portables to utilize the mobiles to extend portable coverage will work fine. You say you worked on the NYSP system, but you apparently have little knowledge of what a mobile repeater is! You go on to talk about how mobile coverage compares with repeater coverage. A mobile repeater is NOT the same thing as a regular repeater mounted in a car! > First, mobile elevation is crap. Unless you're going to park a patrol > car on a mountain peak, with a battery charger this is not a good > substitute for towers. Using a mobile repeater means that the officer is within a few hundred feet or so of the mobile (which CAN hit the tower fine - even though the officer's portable cannot). Using the mobile to retransmit the signal from a cross-band portable would work fine. It's a proven method that is utilized nearly everywhere. > Second, in any event, cars tend to cluster. On > interstates, near doughnut shops, anywhere but where they would be > helpful to expand the coverage. If that is where the CARS are, than THAT is where the OFFICERS are who are the ones to need to talk. If there are no cars in an area, there will be no officers either. > There will be multiple cars keying up > all the time, contributing to theproblem when this happens. No, that's NOT how mobile repeaters work. Usually the selection is automatic when you have miltiple MRs (AKA MREs) in cars. > Their statewide coverage on vhf is pretty good now, using 100 watt bases > and 100 watt mobiles. I don't see this project improving anything. How is the portable coverage? After all, that's when mobile repeaters come into play, not for expending mobile coverage. Joe M. 695 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue May 11, 2004 8:40am Subject: Examine Pennsylvania Statewide Radio System brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Rep. Pat Browne 131st District Pennsylvania House of Representatives (610) 435-3854 (717) 787-6572 www.repbrowne/com Contact: Len Bennett House Republican Communications (717) 787-3993 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE May 10, 2004 Lawmakers Request Auditor General to Examine Pennsylvania Statewide Radio System Project Rep. Browne asks for assistance from Administration Secretary Barnett HARRISBURG - Rep. Pat Browne (R-Lehigh and Northampton) is calling on Auditor General Robert Casey to review and audit an 8-year-old project to implement a statewide radio system. "State, county and local governments are projected to invest $400 million in a statewide 800 megahertz (Mhz) public safety radio system to link first responders," Browne said. Browne said completion of the system is mired in delays, unanticipated costs, and may not cover the entire state. About three weeks ago, Browne and Rep. Kelly Lewis (R-Monroe and Pike) asked the Office of Auditor General to investigate the total expenditures to date, the forecasted costs to totally complete the system, the projected completion date, and just how many Pennsylvanians the system will protect when finished. Browne has also written to the state Secretary of Administration Robert Barnett asking for his assistance with the audit request. Since its enactment in 1996, the General Assembly has approved $222 million in funding for the system - an initial capital budget expenditure of $179 million and a subsequent infusion of $43 million in 1999. The original project deadline was April 2001. Additional annual appropriations for the last 11 fiscal years total more than $27 million, which includes a proposed $6.434 million for fiscal year 2004-2005. This continuing line item has been funded at this level from the General Fund and Motor License Fund since the 2002-2003 fiscal year and has risen incrementally since seed money was included in the budget as early as the 1994-1995 budget. Page 2 Both the director of the radio project office under the Governor's Office of Administration and director of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency (PEMA) have testified that current project costs exceed $400 million. "A project of this importance, scope and size should be an auditing priority by the auditor general and a key focus of the administration," Browne said. In 1996, a statewide radio system was envisioned to replace a 25-year-old system that used incompatible equipment, meaning departments, agencies, counties and local governments were unable to effectively communicate in an emergency. Originally, 198 towers and data communications sites were proposed, with compact, unobtrusive microcell base stations providing supplementary coverage. Presently, the project has evolved into a "hybrid" system now encompassing 240 high-profile towers and over 700 low-profile "micro sites" (such as utility poles, rooftops etc.) to fill in coverage gaps from high-profile sites. "The system was to have been completed April 2001, five years after the project was funded in 1996," Browne said. "We are now three years beyond the time frame originally projected for the system's full deployment." Browne said with full House debate scheduled to begin this week on a budget for the Commonwealth, this is an appropriate time for Pennsylvania state government to attest to the financial facts and circumstances involved in the statewide radio project. "Given the project's current and projected cost and uncertain completion timetable, an audit and financial forecast will provide Pennsylvania citizens with a detailed analysis of costs incurred and projected to be incurred by the Commonwealth and its counties and municipalities in order to fully deploy this system," Browne said. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 696 From: "Don" Date: Tue May 11, 2004 9:37pm Subject: 155.475 ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Would like to make a complete list of all the States Names used for the Emergency Freq of 155.475 After I get them all I will Post it to share with Everyone A few examples to Start with in My area Illinois ISPERN Illinois State Police Emergency Radio Network Indiana ILEEN------ Indiana Law Enforcement Emergency Network Thanks Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG 697 From: Walter Howard Date: Wed May 12, 2004 5:56am Subject: Re: Digest Number 437 ka1jfy Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Arizona V-IARS VHF InterAgency Radio System (there's also a UHF on 460.375) Walter On 11 May 2004 22:34:00 -0000 scan4good@yahoogroups.com writes: > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:37:33 -0000 > From: "Don" > Subject: 155.475 > > Would like to make a complete list of all the States Names used > for > the Emergency Freq of 155.475 > > After I get them all I will Post it to share with Everyone A few > examples to Start with in My area > > Illinois ISPERN Illinois State Police Emergency Radio > Network > > Indiana ILEEN------ Indiana Law Enforcement Emergency Network > > > Thanks Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG > 698 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed May 12, 2004 6:55am Subject: Re: 155.475 names n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Prob should distinguish between "official" sources and hobbyists sites' info. OTOH, the names may vary (and often do) among agencies within any given state): MISSOURI: "Law Mutual Aid" but "he official name for this channel is NLEEC (Nat'l Law Enforcement Emergency Channel)" per http://www.marc.org/emergency/interop_sec3_120803.pdf TEXAS: Current name: "National Law Enforcement Interoperability Channel" Interoperable Name: " Texas Law 3 " per http://www.prpc.cog.tx.us/state%20of%20texas%20comm%20plan.pdf INDIANA: ILEEN: "Indiana Law Enforcement Emergency Network" per http://www.in.gov/legislative/iac/T02400/A00050.PDF OREGON: OPEN "Oregon Police Emergency Network" is a National Law Enforcement Emergency Channel (NLEEC). per http://www.osp.state.or.us/oem/Organization/Technology%20and%20Response/areop.pd\ f (freq is blocked out, but d'uh...) ARIZONA: "IARS-VHF" ( Inter-Agency Radio System) - "designated by the FCC as the National Police Emergency Channel." per http://www.az-apco-nena.org/ARRC/ARRC%20Plan.pdf Harry http://users.snowcrest.net/marnells/kma367-1.htm <~~ LAPD Communications Div History 699 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed May 12, 2004 9:01am Subject: The winning bidder was M/A-Com brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The winning bidder was M/A-Com, a subsidiary of Tyco International, which was represented by D’Amato, the former U.S. senator who picked Pataki to be the Republican candidate for governor in 1994. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/news/0511VA477H5_news.shtml 700 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed May 12, 2004 8:58am Subject: the project is over budget and late. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A contract similar to New York's for a statewide emergency radio system has led to a call for an audit in Pennsylvania where lawmakers say the project is over budget and late. The New York Public Interest Research Group, Common Cause/NY and the League of Women Voters on Monday cited the Pennsylvania project and another over-budget New York project in their call for greater public disclosure of New York's planned statewide emergency system. http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--emergencyradio0510may10,0,699 9951.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 701 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed May 12, 2004 4:33pm Subject: Re: The winning bidder was M/A-Com n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Well, let me put my "surprised" look on. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: worksntv@... Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 06:01 Subject: The winning bidder was M/A-Com The winning bidder was M/A-Com, a subsidiary of Tyco International, which was represented by D’Amato, the former U.S. senator who picked Pataki to be the Republican candidate for governor in 1994. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/news/0511VA477H5_news.shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 702 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Thu May 13, 2004 8:59pm Subject: Fw: 8-year sentence for radio interference n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ----- Original Message ----- From: Punworg To: SCAN-L@... Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 13:54 Subject: 8-year sentence for radio interference That Mitra guy at UW who jammed cop radios will do some serious time: http://www.madison.com/captimes/news/stories/74232.php [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 703 From: lisbon45@... Date: Fri May 14, 2004 5:37pm Subject: Re: Re: [Scanner-Radio] Mobile repeaters and NY State Wireless Network hithel Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Pennsylvania will have a very powerful system if their onboard repeaters work. Onboard repeater = portable extender = vehicle mounted repeater = MO3 (per the FCC) = device in a car or truck that relays a message from a portable radio to a dispatcher and / or vice nersa Peter S -------------------------- sme2@yahoogroups.com - The Eastern Massachusetts Scanner List 704 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat May 15, 2004 0:15pm Subject: rep lewis and Pa system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I spoke with Rep Lewis Friday--Despite the meeting Lewis is still pushing for a performance audit by the Pa Auditor General..Performance audits just don't say how much money was taken in and how much was spent. It's a detailed investigation of how/why decisions were made and if tax dollars were misspent and/or if contracts were awarded properly. Bob ------------------------------------ Reps. Pat Browne (R-Lehigh/Northampton) and Kelly Lewis (R-Monroe/Pike) met with leaders of the Statewide Public Safety Radio System (SPSRS) project this week to discuss ways to complete the SPSRS Project in a timely fashion, address past concerns and costs, forecast future costs and develop a game plan to finish the public safety radio system in Pennsylvania http://dist189.pa-leg.com/index.cfm?ContentID=189&ParentID=0&SectionID=4& SectionTree=4&lnk=b&ItemID=182 For info on IXP see: http://www.ixpcorp.com 705 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue May 18, 2004 1:24pm Subject: More on MA/Com and NY brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A top adviser in the Pataki administration has promised environmental groups that no towers for a new statewide wireless network will be built in the state's forest preserves, but the groups want that promise in writing. Two weeks ago the Pataki administration announced that Tyco International subsidiary M/A-Com won the $1 billion-plus contract for the network. Since then, administration officials have refused to publicly assure that no towers will be built in protected forest preserves in the Adirondack and Catskill parks. http://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2004/05/17/tower.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 706 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue May 18, 2004 1:26pm Subject: upgrading VHF and not swallowing the 800mhz sell brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email NEW Glarus tower issue in Monroe Times - Monroe,WI,USA ... Communications and US Cellular must decide whether to use an existing cellular tower or build its own structure while upgrading the county's VHF radio system. ... 707 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed May 19, 2004 0:06pm Subject: MA/Com in Nevada brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Bussell said his decision to step down effective May 28 was not the result of a his friendship with M/A-Com lobbyist Jim Endres, who is seeking a contract to provide $40 million worth of police emergency radio equipment. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/05/18/state1121 EDT0042.DTL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 708 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon May 24, 2004 11:40pm Subject: More on Ma/Com in NY brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ASSEMBLY to get inside look at $1 billion contract Newsday - Long Island,NY,USA ... said the invitation came at about the time her committee and five others held a hearing last week into the contract awarded in April to M/A-Com over Motorola. ... < http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--emergencyradio0524may24,0,14248\ 00.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire 709 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon May 24, 2004 11:41pm Subject: digital radios were recalled brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The new digital radios were recalled in March 2001 by the fire department and the old analog models put back in service after a firefighter narrowly escaped a burning basement when his radio calls for help weren't picked up by his team. The suit claims Motorola was aware the new digital radios were unreliable and that some Motorola engineers and other insiders jokingly called them Cosmo and Kramer, referring to the characters on the TV series "Seinfeld." http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0405200306may20,1,943709.story?co ll=chi-techtopheds-hed 710 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue May 25, 2004 11:12am Subject: Scanner heaven in Ga brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/front/299532814556569.php 711 From: Don Date: Wed May 26, 2004 8:02pm Subject: FBI Release: Suspect Photos- REQUEST Assistance ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email FBI requests help in locating or providing any information on the following terror suspects. Please click on link Contact your local FBI office if you have any information. http://www.emergencyemail.org/terrorinfo.asp Listen to Your Scanners Especially all Itinerate . FRS/ Murs Freqs This was Posted Sept 11 The FCC's Riley Hollingsworth today suggested that the amateur community remain calm but ready. He invited amateurs monitoring any suspicious radio activity to contact him via e-mail, and he will relay relevant information to the FCC duty team. "You never know," he said. He advised monitors to tape such radio traffic, if possible. Don KA9QJG 712 From: Walter Howard Date: Thu May 27, 2004 2:47am Subject: Re: Scanner heaven in Ga ka1jfy Offline Offline Send Email Send Email And with everything that's going on, what makes you think that any of this activity will be monitorable? I would fully expect that the vast majority of the radio traffic related to the "W8" would be encrypted! And/or on Nextel, Verizon or AllTel PTT systems. Which are all inherently un-listenable. Walter On 25 May 2004 23:44:36 -0000 scan4good@yahoogroups.com writes: > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:12:38 EDT > From: worksntv@... > Subject: Scanner heaven in Ga > > http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/front/299532814556569.php > 713 From: "USA Drugstore" Date: Thu May 27, 2004 0:20pm Subject: bored with life. Get some Xanax ! iIPTFs@... 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Date: Sun May 30, 2004 1:17pm Subject: Motorola/Ma-Com brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I assume Tyco lost the contract because they wanted to use "Open Sky" and not the standard APCO project 25 system. US firm queries radio tender The Age - Melbourne,Victoria,Australia ... In the US, Tyco subsidiary M/A-Com recently edged out Motorola to link emergency services across New York State. M/A-Com had to ... NHP'S radio system crashes Reno Gazette Journal - Reno,NV,USA ... Kenny Guinn, agreed last October to spend about $10 million to buy almost 1,800 new radios from the Massachusetts-based M/A-Com Inc. ... 715 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun May 30, 2004 1:19pm Subject: NY City fire radios brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Without these additional enhancements, even today, until a deputy chief arrives at a high-rise fire, there is no surefire way for the fire department battalion chiefs inside a building to directly communicate by radio to the central fire department dispatcher, unless they go out to their vehicles, which can slow the relay of information from dispatchers about where hazardous chemicals might be stored or where the best stairs are for firefighters to use to attack the blaze http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/nyregion/30repeat.html 716 From: "Don" Date: Thu Jun 3, 2004 8:40pm Subject: New Scanner ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This Might be Old news but I just saw it , The RF Captures sounds great , But I have No Idea why they did not include the Mil Air Band . if anyone finds More info Price reviews Etc Please Post Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG UNIDEN ANNOUNCES BC246T COMPACT TRUNKING SCANNER Close Call™ RF Capture Technology Unveiled FORT WORTH, Texas, June 1, 2004 - Uniden America Corporation today announced its latest trunking scanner, the BC246T. Representing the first in a new generation of compact handheld scanners, the BC246T introduces several innovative new features, including Uniden's exclusive Close Call™ RF Capture Technology. The BC246T will be available in the fall of 2004. The BC246T uses a new dynamically allocated memory system, allowing the user to program its 3300+ channels into any configuration desired. While traditional scanners have been limited to only 10 banks, the BC246T groups channels into systems, allowing for 50 or more systems to be programmed and scanned simultaneously. Systems can still be quickly enabled or disabled using the 0-9 keys, and each system can have up to 10 groups of channels that are also available for quick selection. Uniden's exclusive Close Call™ RF Capture Technology zeroes in on nearby transmissions without the need for programming, even when the BC246T is in other modes, scanning, searching or holding on a frequency. For example, if someone transmits within a few hundred feet (range depends on transmit power and other radio traffic in the area), the scanner immediately detects and tunes to the transmission, ideal for use at events when the frequency being used is unknown. "Customers have been asking for smaller scanners, more flexible programming and more features, and this is what we set out to deliver," said Paul Opitz, Uniden product manager. "Continuing Uniden's leadership in scanners, the BC246T brings scanning technology to a new level." The BC246T comes complete with two NiMH AA batteries, internal recharging, PC programming and control. Key features include: >Compact Size (4˝" x 2ľ" x 1Ľ") TrunkTracker III Technology (Motorola, EDACS, and LTR Analog Trunking) Comprehensive Analog Trunking including I-calls, Emergency Alert, Trunk Search and ID Blockout Up to 3300 Channels, Dynamically Allocated System, Channel Group and Channel Alpha Tagging 25-54, 108-174, 216-225, 400-512, 806-956, 1240-1300 MHz Coverage Close Call ™ RF Capture Technology SAME Weather Alert 10 Programmable Search Ranges 12 Preprogrammed Service Searches Backlit Display CTCSS/DCS Rapid Decode 717 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jun 4, 2004 0:22pm Subject: New Uniden scanner brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.uniden.com/press/ScannerBC246TFNL.pdf 718 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 5, 2004 11:24am Subject: NEXTEL QRM IN FLORIDA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/8838597.htm?1c 719 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jun 7, 2004 2:59pm Subject: HIJACKED NASCAR FREQ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.cyberspace.org/~anthony/hijacked.html 720 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Jun 8, 2004 10:05pm Subject: New antenna design could double-PLUS current HTs TX range n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From the University of Rhode Island... "The Holy Grail of antenna technology is to create a small antenna with high efficiency and wide bandwidth .. .According to current theory, you have to give up one of the three-size, efficiency, or bandwidth-to achieve the other two." After decades of experimentation, combined with a 30-year engineering career and Yankee ingenuity, Rob Vincent has invented a revolutionary antenna technology. The distributed- load, monopole antennas are smaller, produce high efficiency, and retain good to excellent bandwidth. And they have multiple applications. With this technology it will be possible to double, at minimum, the range of walkie-talkies used by police, fire, and other municipal personnel. More at http://www.uri.edu/news/releases/?id=2659 hm 721 From: Date: Wed Jun 9, 2004 9:39pm Subject: Re: [PhillyScanner] HIJACKED NASCAR FREQ kc2csh@... Send Email Send Email http://w8akr.dynip.com:8080/info.htm For info. Given the range of frequencies, that they were actually licensed seems unlikely. Commercial transmitters are supposed to be blocked so that the "users" can't add frequencies. Ham transmitters generally are supposed to be frequency range limited. Consequently, you'r probably looking for 1 of two kinds of people. !. A ham who has "opened up" a radio, what is commonly known as MARS/CAP capable, or someone who has "technician" level access to the programing software for a commercial radio. Often, this is two subsets of people with a high level of overlap. Shouldn't be hard to find the guy, and I'll bet in the future someone is looking. 722 From: Date: Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:24pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 451 ka1jfy Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Wrong! Just look at all the "programming" lists right here on Yahoo. And "opening up" some amateur radios is almost trivial(check www.mods.dk). But I will agree that NASCAR will be looking for this kind of activity for some time to come. And they will have to use something other than radio (Nexthell?) to coordinate their actions. Walter -- scan4good@yahoogroups.com wrote: There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: [PhillyScanner] HIJACKED NASCAR FREQ From: ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:39:42 GMT From: Subject: Re: [PhillyScanner] HIJACKED NASCAR FREQ http://w8akr.dynip.com:8080/info.htm For info. Given the range of frequencies, that they were actually licensed seems unlikely. Commercial transmitters are supposed to be blocked so that the "users" can't add frequencies. Ham transmitters generally are supposed to be frequency range limited. Consequently, you'r probably looking for 1 of two kinds of people. !. A ham who has "opened up" a radio, what is commonly known as MARS/CAP capable, or someone who has "technician" level access to the programing software for a commercial radio. Often, this is two subsets of people with a high level of overlap. Shouldn't be hard to find the guy, and I'll bet in the future someone is looking. 723 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:05pm Subject: ALLEGAN signs tower pact brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Does anyone know if this is Open Sky? Bob ============================================= Kalamazoo Gazette - Kalamazoo,MI,USA ... said. That had been a primary stumbling block. The radio vendor, M/A Com of Virginia, will be paying the first five years. This ... < http://www.mlive.com/news/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1086969064131280.xml 724 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:38am Subject: ALBANY'S Session of Scandal brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Buffalo News - Buffalo,NY,USA ... Assembly committees are looking at the award of a contract worth more than $1 billion to a politically-connected company, Tyco subsidiary M/A-COM, to build a ... is an international educational outreach with US participation by ARRL, AMSAT and NASA 726 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:22pm Subject: new Uniden scanners! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.scannersunlimited.com/uniden/index.html 727 From: shl/.@v5 Date: Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:24am Subject: Delivery Failed shl/.@v5 Send Email Send Email you look like an rat? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 728 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:50am Subject: Rendell: Contract was start of radio "mess"/"Radio Project is Static, but not it brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/108789608249600. xml http://www.pennlive.com/statehouse/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1087982541 158912.xml 729 From: Ken Sprouse Date: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:24pm Subject: Re: [SCAN-PA] Rendell: Contract was start of radio "mess"/"Radio Project is Static, but not it wa3fkg@... Send Email Send Email worksntv@... wrote: > > http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/108789608249600. > xml I found the following statement in the article. I am no fan of the M/A-Com system for a number of reasons but this seems a rather broad general statement and not all together accurate. > State officials said the cutting-edge 800-megahertz system from > M/A-Com Inc. of Lowell, Mass., allows data and verbal transmissions > over the same system. No similar system is used anywhere on a daily > basis by any public-safety agency. -- Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG Oakmont, PA Blog: http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com Member of the American Radio Relay League Pittsburgh Area Scanner net on Sunday evenings 9:00PM on 147.090 mHz. Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. (c) John 3:16 730 From: Walter Howard Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:30am Subject: Re: Digest Number 457 ka1jfy Offline Offline Send Email Send Email What other EXISTING system handles voice as just another data stream over the air (not the backhaul)? All the /\/\ use dedicated "channels" for data, separate from the voice circuits. Walter On 24 Jun 2004 18:00:40 -0000 scan4good@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:24:49 -0400 > From: Ken Sprouse > Subject: Re: [SCAN-PA] Rendell: Contract was start of radio > "mess"/"Radio Project is Static, but not it > > worksntv@... wrote: > > > > > > http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/10878960824 9600. > > xml > > I found the following statement in the article. I am no fan of the > > M/A-Com system for a number of reasons but this seems a rather broad > > general statement and not all together accurate. > > > State officials said the cutting-edge 800-megahertz system from > > M/A-Com Inc. of Lowell, Mass., allows data and verbal transmissions > > > over the same system. No similar system is used anywhere on a > daily > > basis by any public-safety agency. > > > -- > Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG 731 From: rjs4861@... Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:41pm Subject: Final version rjs4861@... Send Email Send Email Your final version is attached. Thank you [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 732 From: Ben Russell Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:49pm Subject: Re: [SCAN-PA] Rendell: Contract was start of radio "mess"/"Radio Project is Static, but not it benrussellpa@... Send Email Send Email --- Ken Sprouse wrote: > worksntv@... wrote: > > > > > > http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/108789608249600. > > xml > > I found the following statement in the article. I am no fan of the > M/A-Com system for a number of reasons but this seems a rather broad > general statement and not all together accurate. > > > State officials said the cutting-edge 800-megahertz system from > > M/A-Com Inc. of Lowell, Mass., allows data and verbal transmissions > > over the same system. No similar system is used anywhere on a daily > > basis by any public-safety agency. Ken, If I understand correctly, the Opensky system is supposed to be able to transmit voice and data on the same frequency at the same time (not just both on the same system) using TDMA. I'm not sure if any other trunking systems do this. Ben __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail 733 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:28am Subject: more problems with Pa's system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following note comes from someone who has "inside" knowledge of Pa's 800 MHz system. He's asked not to be identified fearing retaliation from the power brokers. Regards, Bob Reynolds ============================================================== Just had to reply to your posting this morning. I guess the item you reference may seem like a broad statement, but it is reference to the M/A Com OpenSky technology. It is a fact that there are no OpenSky systems that are fully installed and accepted anywhere. None are in any full-time active day to day use as the primary radio for any of their rather few sold systems. On the PA system, despite the project office claims that there are users on the PA system, inputs from the users we speak to indicate that very few are using it as their "Mission Critical" means of communications. For example, PSP has around 1000 radios operating as data only and considers this use as non Mission critical. If they run a data inquiry and it doesn't go through, they pick up the mic on their existing 25 year old VHF radio and call it in as they always have. In fact, because PSP now realizes the system will still not be ready for Mission Critical use at the end of the year, they just gave their IIMS contractor (Lockheed) a change order of around $90K - $100K to interface the VHF system into the new Consolidated Dispatch Center in Norristown, slated to go online in December. The change order is needed because the original plan was to have the OpenSky system running by then, and the assumption was the VHF would not be in use by then. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 734 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 0:05pm Subject: another story on pa's 800 Mhz system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Three miles up a narrow gravel road in central Pennsylvania, a fenced-in radio tower atop a mountain represents a critical link in a $240 million public safety communications network the state began work on eight years ago. Below the tower, a simple building contains racks of sophisticated electronics, the guts of a system designed to tie together 22 state agencies in a single centralized radio network. Critics say replacing the state government's hodgepodge of largely incompatible radio systems has already taken too long and cost too much. Questions also remain about whether the system will work properly. http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/9020381.htm 735 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:49am Subject: Project 25 communications standards brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Pa's system: Not Project 25--meaning replacements can ONLY be MA/COM Regards, Bob Reynolds ---------------------------------- Colorado's system, installed in phases over a decade, uses Project 25 communications standards, which allows the state to buy radios from EFJohnson and Kenwood in addition to Motorola, Nelson said. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0406270437jun27,1,2291168.story?col l=chi-business-hed 736 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jul 1, 2004 8:47am Subject: COMMUNICATIONS upgrade approved brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email New River Valley Current - Christiansburg,VA,USA ... They will both be changed to a 400 megahertz UHF system that will provide more consistent communication between officers and dispatch. ... Date: Mon Jul 19, 2004 0:58am Subject: Re: Wyoming says yes to VHF for statewide system teamcourage Offline Offline Send Email Send Email will this be a system the pro 95 can truck track worksntv@... wrote: >Wyoming Department of Transportation >Request for Proposals >WyoLink System Equipment and >Development Services >Wyoming’s Statewide Public-Safety Interoperable Radio Communications >System >RFP No. C-8055. >July 15, 2004 > > >5 PROJECT SUMMARY > >5.1 OVERVIEW > >The State of Wyoming, working through a Steering Committee and Project >Team finalized a set of recommendations to develop a statewide public >safety mobile communications system. The recommendations were chosen >after careful consideration of all possible alternatives, including >technical, operational, and financial factors; they represent the >culmination of an extensive multi-year effort. WyoLink — Wyoming’s >statewide public-safety interoperable radio communications system — is >the result of those recommendations. > >WyoLink will be a Project-25 digital, trunked, VHF Hi-band (136-174 MHz) >radio system utilizing 57 sites. The system will be interconnected via >the Wyoming Department of Transportation (WyDOT) microwave backbone and >its planned extensions (see §11.3.2). The 57 sites selected for the >system are or will be under the control of WyDOT; the upgrade of >buildings, towers, and supporting infrastructure is being addressed >under a separate project that is well under way. The established goal is >to achieve 95% statewide coverage for mobile radios, with portable radio >coverage enhancements to be added to address specific user needs. >WyoLink development is projected to be a six-year project. This Request >for Proposals constitutes the first phase of the project, and will >select a Proposer and establish the pricing structure that will apply to >development of the entire project. The first construction phase of the >project will develop the central control point, five radio sites in >southeast Wyoming, and interfaces to two local 800-MHz systems. This >"pilot phase" will provide a full-scale technology demonstration and >will provide the opportunity to iron out any technical issues. This will >also allow WyoLink member agencies to appreciate the features and >functions of the system and develop operational procedures based on that >technology. The pilot phase procurement will purchase a limited number >of user radios to demonstration system operations. Subsequent system >development will be carried out in five phases, with the first phase >being the largest and the remaining four to address particular RF >coverage difficulties and to provide an orderly transition for WyoLink >member agencies. > >The Wyoming Legislature created the Public Safety Communications >Commission, which will took effect on July 1, 2004. This 17-member >commission will provide guidance for WyoLink. Changes significantly >affecting the project scope and budget will be submitted to this body >for review — although contract responsibilities rest with the Wyoming >Department of Transportation. > > >5.2 BENEFITS > >WyoLink will provide the following critical benefits to the citizens and >Public-safety responders in Wyoming: > >• Full interoperability across all participating State, local, and >Federal agencies. >This will include an interface to the existing Casper 800-MHz system, >and ongoing “mutual aid” functionality for those who wait or decline to >participate in the WyoLink shared system. > >• Improved statewide mobile coverage from 83% (estimated coverage) to >95% (verified by field measurements). > >• Full compatibility with the current and emerging Project-25 public >safety digital radio communications standards. > >• Digital technology, the technology of choice in the industry today and >into the future, which brings added features such as encryption, >low-speed data messaging, individual unit identification, and automatic >vehicle location (AVL). > >• Increased communications capacity through the addition of radio >frequencies and the use of trunking technology, which will provide >enhanced flexibility, reliability, and radio frequency efficiency. > >• Improved reliability and disaster recovery capabilities through >replacement of obsolete radio infrastructure and the addition of >multiple control points. > >• Provide overall cost savings by reducing the number of radio sites >being maintained for public-safety. And will to the > >5.3 COVERAGE > >The goal of WyoLink is to provide 95% overall mobile radio coverage >within the State of Wyoming. Interstate-80 and Interstate-25 carry the >highest volume of traffic and have the potential for being the scene of >a number of critical incidents. Therefore, the WyoLink system design >shall strive to exceed the 95% overall mobile radio coverage goal along >those highways. >In reaching the goal of 95% overall mobile radio coverage, WyoLink will >provide portable radio coverage in a significant number of areas. >Portable radio coverage, including in building penetration, may be >extended by the development of additional sites and resources as >described in overview in the PSMC plan. The ability to use portable >radios will be further extended in that in-vehicle repeat technology >will be available as an optional subscriber unit. > > > >5.4 INTERNAL INTEROPERABILITY > >WyoLink will provide interoperability by unifying Wyoming public-safety >agencies into a single radio system. The organization of the trunking >system will provide sufficient talk-groups to provide for >intercommunication, calling, tactical incident, and Incident Command >Structure operations. Trunking technology has been chosen as it provides >a high degree of resource flexibility, system reliability, and radio >channel efficiency. This technology also provides the ability for a user >to communicate across great distances as the need arises. >The WyoLink system will be implemented in an extended series of steps, >and interoperability will function through the transition. Public >safety-agencies will transfer operations to WyoLink from their existing >systems based on funding availability for subscriber units. During this >transition time, interoperability will be provided through backward >compatibility of subscriber units: the ability of a subscriber unit to >operate as a WyoLink digital trunking radio on one user channel while >able to operate as an analog conventional radio on a different user >channel. Patching of selected WyoLink talkgroups to existing radio >systems will further interoperability during the transition. > > >5.5 EXTERNAL INTEROPERABILITY > >WyoLink will provide interoperability by interfacing with other radio >systems. Interfaces to similar and dissimilar systems will be supported. >In some cases, the interface will be to radio systems with in the State >of Wyoming. Currently identified examples include interfacing to the >800-Mhz radio system serving the city of Casper and the 800-Mhz system >being developed for the city of Cheyenne Fire Department. Other examples >include interfacing to radio systems serving U.S. Forest Service, the >Bureau of land Management, Warren Air Force Base, and other federal >organizations as appropriate. In other cases, the interface will be to >radio systems of the neighboring states. (See P SMC plan appendix H.) >While recognizing certain barriers that exist in linking dissimilar >technologies and RF bands, the goal in selecting interface standards >will be to maximize the transfer of WyoLink system features and >functions between systems. Interoperability beyond the range of >established WyoLink system interfaces will be supported using >conventional-mode digital and conventional-mode analog channels, both >within subscriber units and within the WyoLink radio system. WyoLink >will support conventional-mode analog channels to allow interoperability >with emergency service responders from outside Wyoming responding within >the WyoLink service area, or Wyoming emergency responders responding >outside of Wyoming. The FCC has specified a national plan for VHF >interoperability channels, which will be implemented by WyoLink. These >channels will be of extreme value during large-scale events where public >safety responders would be called into service across great distances. >While the likelihood of such events is hopefully rare, the events of >September 11, 2001 indicate that such events can happen. > > >Full RFP- >http://ipc.state.wy.us/radio/WyoLinkRFPFinal.pdf > > > >Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: >scan4good-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: >scan4good-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > 750 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Mon Jul 26, 2004 0:59am Subject: Re: Wyoming says yes to VHF for statewide system n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Not if it's P25 as indicated ;-( hm ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 17:58 Subject: Re: Wyoming says yes to VHF for statewide system will this be a system the pro 95 can truck track worksntv@... wrote: >Wyoming Department of Transportation >5.1 OVERVIEW > >The State of Wyoming, working through a Steering Committee and Project >Team finalized a set of recommendations to develop a statewide public >safety mobile communications system. > >WyoLink will be a Project-25 digital, trunked, VHF Hi-band (136-174 MHz) >radio system utilizing 57 sites. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 751 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:08pm Subject: The new $12.5 million, 800 megahertz digital system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email 911 system to go on line Tuesday Macon Telegraph - Macon,GA,USA ... in Warner Robins. The new $12.5 million, 800 megahertz digital system replaces a UHF, VHF analog system, Harlowe said. The old system's ... < http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/states/georgia/counties/houston_peach/\ 9181614.htm 752 From: Dave Date: Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:39am Subject: Re: Wyoming says yes to VHF for statewide system teamcourage Offline Offline Send Email Send Email well p25 is the standerd for all polie and public safty systems I know i pick up non truck p25 sytems. Harry Marnell wrote: >Not if it's P25 as indicated ;-( > >hm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave > To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 17:58 > Subject: Re: Wyoming says yes to VHF for statewide system > > > will this be a system the pro 95 can truck track > > worksntv@... wrote: > > >Wyoming Department of Transportation > >5.1 OVERVIEW > > > >The State of Wyoming, working through a Steering Committee and >Project > >Team finalized a set of recommendations to develop a statewide public > >safety mobile communications system. > > > >WyoLink will be a Project-25 digital, trunked, VHF Hi-band (136-174 >MHz) > >radio system utilizing 57 sites. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: >scan4good-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: >scan4good-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > 753 From: Dave Date: Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:48am Subject: Re: Wyoming says yes to VHF for statewide system teamcourage Offline Offline Send Email Send Email never mind i am thinking of somthign else :( Dave wrote: >well p25 is the standerd for all polie and public safty systems I know i >pick up non truck p25 sytems. > >Harry Marnell wrote: > > > >>Not if it's P25 as indicated ;-( >> >>hm >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dave >> To: scan4good@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 17:58 >> Subject: Re: Wyoming says yes to VHF for statewide system >> >> >> will this be a system the pro 95 can truck track >> >> worksntv@... wrote: >> >> >Wyoming Department of Transportation >> >5.1 OVERVIEW >> > >> >The State of Wyoming, working through a Steering Committee and >>Project >> >Team finalized a set of recommendations to develop a statewide public >> >safety mobile communications system. >> > >> >WyoLink will be a Project-25 digital, trunked, VHF Hi-band (136-174 >>MHz) >> >radio system utilizing 57 sites. >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >>Community email addresses: >> Post message: scan4good@yahoogroups.com >> Subscribe: >>scan4good-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Unsubscribe: >>scan4good-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: >scan4good-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: >scan4good-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 754 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:45am Subject: MIXED SIGNALS FOR STATE RADIO SYSTEM brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Pennsylvania officials are struggling to build a pre-Sept. 11, 2001, statewide radio system that must meet the needs of a world radically changed by the events of that day. http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/19_8/cover-stories/23990-1.html 755 From: Date: Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:04pm Subject: Network Associates Webshield - e-mail Content Alert VirusMgr@... Send Email Send Email Filtering software installed in accordance with the CIÉ Information Security Policy & Standards has been triggered by an e-mail message sent by . That e-mail message contained an attached file of a forbidden type (ZIP Attachments), and the messsage will not be Delivered to its addressee. Important business communications including such attachments should be forwarded to postmaster@... with a covering message indicating the intended recipient. 756 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:01am Subject: public-safety interoperability brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email LEGISLATORS charge DHS with public-safety interoperability ... RCR Wireless News - USA ... Accounting Office—released a report at the hearing that said that while the government has been working on the lack of public-safety interoperability for 15 ... The Casper Star Tribune - Casper,WY,USA > The city's emergency responders -- its police and fire departments -- use > an 800 MHz digital radio system, while the Natrona County Sheriff's Department > and ... > Date: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:40pm Subject: Overheard radio conversation thwarts theft n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email from http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/9251224.htm Overheard radio conversation thwarts Sheetrock theft Laurie Phillips The Tribune It was a crime worth $17 at most -- had they gotten away with it. But late Friday night, when a handful of young men allegedly conspired to steal a couple of pieces of Sheetrock from a commercial construction site near downtown Cayucos, a guest at a nearby motel overheard. And when he had authorities on the phone, they too could reportedly hear male voices over a short-range, two-way radio discussing how to move the drywall and tools over the chain-link fence edging the land. Sheriff Department Sgt. Tony Perry said two of the men planned to install the material in an unfinished garage owned by the grandmother of another man allegedly in on the crime who had previously agreed to rent them the space. She has since changed her mind, he said. Deputies pulled over a van leaving the construction site on the corner of South Ocean Avenue and E streets and spoke with the driver, a 17-year-old from Los Osos. Perry said he initially denied knowing anything about the theft and couldn't explain the two sheets of drywall in the back of the van. Deputies determined the material was from the construction site by matching bar codes. The boy was booked into the County Juvenile Services Center on suspicion of receiving stolen property. His name was not released because he is a minor. He subsequently told authorities that four other people were involved in the crime, according to the Sheriff's Department. That night, deputies interviewed and arrested Malik Shaban and Thomas Dimmick, both 19 and from Los Osos, in connection with their alleged involvement in the theft. The next day, deputies arrested two more men from Los Osos: Brandon Isbell, 22, and Darin Cunningham, 19. By Monday night, each had posted $10,000 bail and been released. Perry was unsure whether the Sheetrock had yet been returned to the site, where it will be used to construct the Pier View Plaza, a proposed multistory building 760 From: wsals@... Date: Wed Jul 28, 2004 0:32am Subject: Request wsals@... Send Email Send Email Hello! The story. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 761 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:37am Subject: M/A-COM nabs Washington police radio deal brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Washington Technology - Vienna,VA,USA M/A-Com Inc. ... Under the contract, M/A-Com of Lowell, Mass., will provide in-band, dual-receive mobile and portable radios that can connect to an IP network. ... M/A-COM wins $4.5M contract in Wash. state Boston Business Journal - Boston,MA,USA M/A-Com Inc. won a ... states. M/A-Com reportedly is on the cusp of landing a deal to sell radios to police in Thunder Bay, Ontario. This ... < http://boston.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2004/07/26/daily15.html?jst=b_ln_hl\ > M/A-COM Awarded $4.5 Million Purchase Contract to Provide Land ... Yahoo News (press release) - USA LOWELL, Mass., July 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/-- M/A-COM, Inc. a business unit of Tyco Electronics and leading manufacturer of critical ... See all stories on this topic: 762 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:55am Subject: CALHOUN voters asked to pay for E-911 brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > Battle Creek Enquirer - Battle Creek,MI,USA > ... Muladore said, and testing has revealed a minimum effective rate of > 93 percent and as high as 100 percent in some situations for the proposed > 800-MHz system. ... > DENVER Cities Solve Public Safety Network Interoperability Issues Government Technology - Folsom,CA,USA By News Story - July 2004. The cities' of Lakewood, Greenwood Village and Westminster police departments have implemented TotalRoam ... 764 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:33am Subject: interoperability conferences brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email GENERAL Wesley Clark Keynotes Critical Homeland Security ... Business Wire (press release) - San Francisco,CA,USA ... This conference is one in a series of interoperability conferences hosted by Nextel throughout the United States designed to educate government and public ... Iosco County News Herald - East Tawas,MI,USA > ... develop and enhance interoperable communications system. Move all law > enforcement agencies within Iosco County to the state's 800 MHZ radio > system. ... > Subject: Re: 99 channel radios Ben: I am curious about your "I am holding my breath" remark on Open Sky.... Do you have a similar map or any info on what has been made operational and what is still to be done ? I am asking because last year I visited the very first Open Sky deployment at OCTA (Orange County Transportation Authority), near LA and it appeared that they were still not ready after many years with the project under way. If I recall correctly, they were still using Motorola hand helds because the Open Sky units were not working they way they were expected, and the vehicle mounted units apparently were reported to have low selectivity parameters. I had been a great enthusiast of Open Sky, the last time I met with Don Appleby, the program manager in PA was at the APCO show in Denver four years ago and he was delighted with the upcoming program at the time. I also know the folks who designed the system (almost neighbours) and have great respect for their technical team. Regards, Ramon Abelleyro www.interopradio.com At 07:09 PM 7/31/2004, you wrote: >I work for the Pennsylvania DEP (env. regulatory agency/emergency response). >We share a VHF Highband radio system with the Pennsylvania DCNR (State Parks, >Forestry). My 99 channel Maratrac is nearly all filled up. The actual number >of channels used for the different DCNR repeaters and simplex channels >statewide is about 75-80. Then, we throw in a few NOAA weather channels, some >state police channels, some various interagency channels (depending on >location), some federal coordination channels, some marine band channels (for >use around Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Erie). Some vehicles have 128 channel >Syntors in them that have more state police dispatch channels programmed >in and >then a bunch of blank channels. > >Of course, this will all change when the OpenSky system becomes fully >operational (still holding my breath). Here's a visual overview of how the >current system is set up for us: >http://home.comcast.net/~benandchrisie/benspage/VHFradiomap.gif > > > >===== >Ben R. - Norristown, PA >http://www.jeffersonfireco.com >http://home.comcast.net/~benandchrisie/ > 768 From: joe@... Date: Tue Aug 3, 2004 2:43am Subject: Your details joe@... Send Email Send Email For more details see the attached document. Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 769 From: "E.L. Mud Bogger" Date: Tue Aug 3, 2004 4:17pm Subject: Re: Your details anticrime5150 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Please ban this Joker from send us any future virii. joe@... wrote: > > For more details see the attached document. > Thanks > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: scan4good@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: > scan4good-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: > scan4good-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scan4good/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > scan4good-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > > 770 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 3, 2004 0:57pm Subject: FINDING a balance brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > Battle Creek Enquirer - Battle Creek,MI,USA > ... The 800 MHz portable radio was tested 2,212 times and failed 133 times, > or 6 percent. Along with the new 800 MHz system, county ... > Date: Fri Aug 6, 2004 6:02am Subject: Amazing Product That Works - I Now Get Free Groceries! trudyruch Offline Offline Send Email Send Email As amazing as it may sound many people do not realize how easy it isto LEGALLY stop paying for their groceries! This is how the one hour television show began for the company whose website is at: http://www.wrldofproducts.com I thought it was very interesting and decided to check it out. I am very skeptical by nature so the first thing I did was check out the company. I contacted the Better Business Bureau and found that the company has had no complaints lodged against them, I also contacted Paypal who has verified this company. 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If this wasn't enough, using their restaurant gift certificate program at http://networkofsavings.com I received $90.00 in free restaurant gift certificates already! 774 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Fri Aug 6, 2004 8:18am Subject: Re: Amazing Product That Works blah blah n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email So much for THAT spammer... POOF... off the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "trudyruch" To: Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 23:02 Subject: Amazing Product That Works - I Now Get Free Groceries! 775 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Aug 6, 2004 7:32am Subject: more on hearing for 800 Mhz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/local/9321879.htm?1c By Charles Sheehan Associated Press PITTSBURGH - State lawmakers in Pennsylvania yesterday questioned whether a state-of-the-art communications network authorized in 1996 might now be outdated and inadequate. That network, the Statewide Public Safety Radio System, is several years overdue, although much of it is in place. It is under increasing scrutiny for its cost and usefulness to first responders. Commissioners from four counties told lawmakers at a hearing yesterday that they would not be linking up to the state system any time soon, mostly because of the cost. "I can't ask fire departments that have trouble keeping their doors open to buy all this new equipment," said Jim Scahill, an Armstrong County commissioner. The communications network was initially designed to link a limited number of government agencies. That changed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, with the focus shifting to first responders and their ability to communicate with one another and with state agencies in a crisis. However, authorized in 1996 at a cost of $179 million, the system has technical limitations that could exclude a number of first responders, largely because of bandwidth issues, said Art Stephens, a deputy secretary for information technology in the state's Office of Administration. The Rendell administration awarded a $96,000 contract last month to iXP Corp., a consulting firm, to determine whether those barriers could be overcome, how much overcoming them would cost, and why the project, scheduled for completion in 2001, was still not done. State officials said yesterday that the report should be completed in about two weeks. Much of the delay has been outside the control of the state, Stephens said. A company awarded a contract to build radio towers filed for bankruptcy, halting construction for nine months, he said. The system now is expected to cost at least $240 million. That figure excludes a $134 million data system being implemented by state police and separate but related contracts for mobile radios that also run into the millions. 776 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Aug 7, 2004 10:22am Subject: 2 reports on 800 Mhz brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email POLICE seek to upgrade radios > Arizona Republic - Phoenix,AZ,USA > ... Bailey said the Fire Department is already implementing the 800 MHz > digital trunking radio system along with other Valley fire departments > as part of a ... > > > MONROE County hangs up on phone surcharge > Toledo Blade - Toledo,OH,USA > ... units of government will be footing the $200 annual bill for each of > the 1,200 new radios that will be put in service on the county's new 800 > mhz system later ... > NEW Encryption Capability for RELM's New Digital Radio PR Newswire (press release) - USA ... encryption has completed the basic platform for our VHF product line we are moving ahead toward three more milestones: first APCO trunking, then UHF and 700 ... 779 From: dave Date: Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:51pm Subject: strange teamcourage Offline Offline Send Email Send Email ok here is a question for you all I just started a fire fightign busnes for wild land fires. the building i bought usede to be a private cabel company and mini satligte dealer that went bankrupt. there was way to many to count mini satalite dishes. most were old trasehed ones but there were to in lamost new condeation any idea on turing one of these inot a working antina fo other then tv. also on the roof is a microwave antina any use for it 780 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:58am Subject: Lancaster County 800MHZ brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Lancaster County is in the process of building a new, state of the art, 800MHZ trunked radio system for use by police, fire, EMS and various other county and municipal agencies. This page will be updated with the latest status of this project. http://www.lcwc.co.lancaster.pa.us/lcwc/cwp/view.asp?a=7&Q=471831& lcwcNav=|6709 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 781 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:16am Subject: requested that a contract with M/A-Com brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email COUNTY asked to OK public safety radio system Cecil Whig - Elkton,MD,USA Yesterday afternoon Frank Muller, director of the county's department of emergency services, requested that a contract with M/A-Com, Inc., a unit of Tyco ... NEW prison to cost $30M Chambersburg Public Opinion - Chambersburg,PA,USA ... low-band VHF frequency. Local ambulances and police departments previously switched to high-band UHF. "The migration has already ... < http://www.publicopiniononline.com/news/stories/20040811/localnews/1024973.html 783 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:40am Subject: NEW public safety radio system results in communication gap brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Reston Times - Reston,VA,USA > ... The new devices, which will be more compatible with the 800-MHz radio > system, will replace the low-band pagers now carried by emergency response > personnel. ... > Fort Morgan Times - Fort Morgan,CO,USA > ... Newer 800 MHz systems allow for narrower bands to broadcast, but can > interfere with older systems or vice versa. The Boulder agency's ... > Date: Sat Oct 2, 2004 4:16pm Subject: Re: Re: [ScanCom] more 800 Mhz problems/questions n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email From the text of the article and the telephone area code, it would appear to be Port Richmond, PA. hm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <911dispatcher@yahoogroups.com>; ; ; ; ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 08:42 Subject: Re: [ScanCom] more 800 Mhz problems/questions > It would be nice to know where the hell this is! 799 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:17am Subject: scanner listener helps police brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Please review the following article. A similar situtation will be impossible with Ma/Com's Open Sky . Why? They are not using the national digital standard. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Shortly after police dispatched the description of the vehicle, a citizen with a police scanner spotted the car and followed it, the department stated. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595098189,00.html 800 From: hithel woods Date: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:59pm Subject: Idaho - Scannerist Shot At hithel@... Send Email Send Email KBCI Boise, Mon, 18 Oct 2004 5:27 AM PDT Cops say latest Nampa shooting not gang related NAMPA, Idaho Shots rang out in Nampa again on Sunday, but this time police say the incident was NOT gang related. Police Chief Tim Vincent says the situation started when a resident out for a late-night drive was listening to his police scanner. Idaho Press-Tribune, Mon, 18 Oct 2004 6:07 AM PDT Nampa shooting said to be 'isolated incident' NAMPA -- An already jittery community once again encountered gunfire early Sunday, but police reassured citizens that the unusual incident didn't involve gang violence. See more news stories that match your keyword at: http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?c=&p=%22police+scanner%22 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 801 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Nov 2, 2004 8:06am Subject: A SCANNER FRIENDLY CITY brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email We have purposely moved slowly in the stated conversion process to give local news organizations a reasonable amount of time to procure and deploy the new scanners for their news gathering purposes . Since we are now at the one-year mark, however, we feel it is time to complete the conversion process. http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=651 802 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Nov 2, 2004 4:35pm Subject: Court ruling curtails police right to privacy n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email [note "scanner" reference toward end of article] SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/197814_copfilming02.html Court ruling curtails police right to privacy Videotaping of Sequim chief at issue in case Tuesday, November 2, 2004 By KATHY GEORGE SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER The police chief of Sequim did not take kindly to the young man who filmed him as he sat in his patrol car at the town's skateboard park. The chief warned Anthony Johnson to point his video camera elsewhere, then wrestled the camera away and put Johnson in jail for recording communication without permission, court records say. Now, the city may have to pay damages to Johnson for that January 2000 arrest, and police throughout the Western states will be affected by a ruling on Johnson's lawsuit claiming that police have no right to privacy in performing their public duties. A 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals panel last week reinstated Johnson's suit, which had been thrown out by a federal magistrate in Tacoma, and issued a ruling that expanded the public's ability to record the words and actions of police officers. "It shows they are not going to allow police to operate under a veil of secrecy. That's especially important given the increased police presence in America today," said R. Stuart Phillips, the Poulsbo attorney representing Johnson. Meanwhile, a similar case also handled by Phillips will be argued before the U.S. Supreme Court Monday. The hot issue in that suit, brought by a Bremerton man who was arrested for videotaping a state trooper during a traffic stop, is whether he could be arrested for illegal recording although the real cause for arrest was for an unrelated crime. The state attorney general will defend the State Patrol in the case. In the Sequim case, the 9th Circuit panel said the arrest violated Johnson's civil rights because the police chief "could not have had any reasonable expectation of privacy" sitting in a police car at a public park, with the window rolled down, talking to a police radio dispatcher. One dissenting judge said the ruling could restrain what police say to emergency dispatchers. And Sequim City Manager Bill Elliott said the ruling has wiped out the privacy that police in Washington had counted on. "I totally disagree with it. The ramifications of it are pretty severe," said Elliott. Others were less alarmed. Seattle Police Officers Guild President Kevin Haistings said most officers already think they can be filmed all the time, and any photographer who gets in the way of an officer's work can be arrested for obstructing an arrest. John Strait, who teaches criminal procedure at Seattle University Law School, said: "Officers are public servants. What they're engaged in is, in fact, the public business." The ruling is the latest in a series of 9th Circuit Court opinions narrowing the application of Washington's Privacy Act to police. That law generally makes it illegal to record a private conversation without permission from everyone involved. The question is when an officer talks in "private." Last year, the court granted a new trial to the Bremerton man, Jerome Alford, agreeing that he was wrongly arrested for videotaping the trooper. The court said Alford's traffic stop was not private, even though it was on a dark and deserted highway with no witnesses. The U.S. Supreme Court will not re-examine that privacy issue, but agreed to review whether the troopers should be immune from suit because they thought they could have arrested him for different, unrelated conduct. **In the Sequim case, former Chief Byron Nelson, who is now retired, arrested Johnson for trying to record a call that he was about to make to a police radio dispatcher about a runaway child.** **That wasn't private, either, the court found, partly because members of the public routinely use police radio scanners to listen to dispatch activities.** Nelson also didn't act as if he expected privacy because he left the car windows open when he saw Johnson videotaping him, the court said. Judge Ronald Gould dissented, saying the majority opinion went too far in denying privacy to the chief, even though he was not making an arrest and was sitting in an empty parking lot. "Our holding has the potential to limit the use of police communications with dispatch," he said. But Haistings said he doubts the ruling would affect anyone's job. "It's not uncommon after the Rodney King thing" for officers to be filmed, he said, referring to the infamous 1991 beating of a black man by Los Angeles police captured on film by a witness. "None of us like being videotaped, but I think most officers assume somebody's always rolling tape somewhere," Haistings said. 803 From: hithel woods Date: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:03pm Subject: Police Scanner Is Newsroom's Tipster hithel@... Send Email Send Email Police Scanner is Newsroom's Tipster - Brownsville Herald - Texas - house fire turns out to be at home of Herald employee __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Happy Scanniing Don KA9QJG 805 From: "drveghead" Date: Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:57pm Subject: Re: Expand Freq Coverage Pro 93/2053 drveghead Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I read the E-bay page. I also read (at http://www.starrsoft.com/freeware/win95/default.asp ): "NOTE: There has been an item sold on eBay that claims to "unlock" the frequencies in the PRO-92/2067, PRO-93/2053, and PRO-95. I have been informed that this item is merely a set of 151 .P95 files (for use with my Win95 app). Together, these files contain all of the frequencies in all of the "extra ranges" as added by Win93 and Win95. One could create this data himself by using a program like Microsoft Excel to fill columns with incremental frequency data, then copy and paste to Win93 or Win95. Instructions for doing this can be found at this link [ http://www.starrsoft.com/freeware/win95/ScanEx.txt ]." Buyer beware. -Dr. Veghead P.S. I remember reading that on starrsoft.com before, but re-found it by Googling: Pro-93 2053 Pro-95 scanner files ebay. --- In scan4good@yahoogroups.com, "Don" wrote: > > Now you can fully scan ALL of the legal frequencies that the GRE- > made RadioShack Pro 93/2053, and 95 scanners normally block out! You > will have access to scan the full spectrum from 17MHz to 1.3GHz, > with the exception of CELLULAR! Listen to everything possible that > is legally allowed by the FCC! > > It is easy to do, done entirely with software, and is FULLY LEGAL!! > There is no modification done to your scanner. Your manufacturer's > warranty will also remain intact. The only thing you need is a > widely-available programming cable! > > > I have no Idea if this is true , I saw it on the Bay I know we > cannot post a link so I will just post the Number in case anyone is > interested, > Item number: 5732774078 If Someone dos Buy it Please let the group > know if it works. > > Happy Scanniing Don KA9QJG 806 From: hithel woods Date: Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:39pm Subject: Edmonton Police to Investigate 7 Officers hithel@... Send Email Send Email Edmonton Canada Police will investigate 7 officers involved in attempted sting of newspaper columnist. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo 807 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:47pm Subject: A breakthrough in wireless communications brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email SCHAUMBURG, Ill. – 10 Dec. 2004 - A breakthrough in wireless communications technology may mean that public safety agencies will no longer wonder whether they will be able to talk to each other when they arrive at an emergency scene. “MOTOBRIDGE IP is a huge step for Florida’s homeland security efforts,” said State Chief Information Officer Simone Marstiller. “By connecting users and allowing them to communicate in ways not possible before, the system will strengthen Florida’s security.” With Motorola’s (NYSE:MOT) new soft switch technology, MOTOBRIDGE IP, agencies at any government level will have the ability to talk with one another regardless of the type of systems or frequencies they normally use. Because of its advanced IP-based design, users also can access many of the additional features they regularly depend on such as Emergency Unit Identification. http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,4939_4227_23,00.html 808 From: hithel woods Date: Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:57pm Subject: Middleboro MA - Scannerist Leads Police To Nut Case hithel@... Send Email Send Email Sunday, December 12, 2004 12:09 AM PST Your Keyword News Alert for ["police scanner"] matched the following stories: The Enterprise, Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:15 PM PST Early morning break-in caught on tape http://www.enterprisenews.com/articles/2004/12/12/news/news/news06.txt MIDDLEBORO A man broke into a parish office on the grounds of the Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church on Center Street early Saturday morning and attacked a woman while police listened on the emergency 911 line. See more news stories that match your keyword at: http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?c=&p=%22police+scanner%22 openness __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com 809 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:00pm Subject: PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO THE AG brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Dear Mr. Attorney General: I read with interest your announcement concerning the arrest of several people who were trying to access the State Police radio system http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164--106788--,00.html While there is no excuse for violating the law--I want to point out that any communications system involving public safety that is totally secret, just asks for trouble. In our open society such a system should be assessable to the public. There are encryption systems available that could keep sensitive communications, i.e.,: drug stake outs etc. out of the public arena. There are countless times when those listening to public safety comms have aided law enforcement in the capture of criminals. One example--an BOLO is issued for a bank robbery suspect...a person with a scanner would hear the broadcast, see the suspect and notify police. That ability is not available in your great state. There is an old saying power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The totally "secret" comms in Michigan begs for something bad to happen. Best Regards, Bob Reynolds 10 Oak Rd White Haven, Pa 18661-3113 810 From: hithel woods Date: Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:46pm Subject: Former Dubuque Iowa Police Chief Dies hithel@... Send Email Send Email Former Dubuque Police Chief O'Brien dies DUBUQUE, Iowa Robert O'Brien, former Dubuque police chief, died yesterday (Wednesday) at his Dubuque home. He was 80. O'Brien served on the police force for 37 years, including 14 years as chief, retiring in 1984. OBrien is credited with introducing the department's first burglary and narcotics units and for hiring the first female officer, in 1974. His wife, Lois, says until he died, the police scanner was always on in their home. She says he never quit being a policeman. Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. All content © Copyright 2001 - 2004 WorldNow and WHO-TV, a division of NYT Broadcast Holdings, LLC. All Rights Reserved.For more information on this site, please read our Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail 811 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:20pm Subject: KEEP THIS TO SHOW COPS HOW SCANNER USES HELP POLICE! brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-01272005-439573.html A Bristol Township police officer shot and wounded a man who waved a loaded shotgun Wednesday near a busy intersection, police said. A police car blocked the intersection at Route 413 and New Falls, but Dobson rammed the car and drove on, heading north on Route 413 then east on Frosty Hollow Road in Levittown, police said. A tow truck driver who heard about the chase on a SCANNER drove to the scene and parked his truck across the roadway [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 812 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 10:31pm Subject: 2 reports concerning police scanners brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Listening to chatter on the police scanner is a common diversion for folks in Greenwood County. When Freisner's best friend, Jan McClellan, heard on the scanner that county law enforcement officers were on their way to Hilltop on the morning of Jan. 19, it caught her attention. Her cousin, Darrell Cooper, lives there. McClellan said she called him and asked what was going on, not knowing Cheever was at Cooper's house. "I have to get off the phone -- Matt's knocking on the door," Cooper told her, referring to Samuels. "I gotta go." http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/10787861.htm?1c A neighbor, Jared White of 16 N. Vine St., heard the fire call on a police scanner and believed it to be close. He walked onto his front porch and saw flames rolling up the outside walls of 801 Oneida St. White said he approached the home and saw Betz attempting to save some possessions and warned her against it before entering the home himself to grab some clothing, an act that drew thanks from Betz herself. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13863016&BRD=2311&PAG=461&dept_id=48 2260&rfi=6 813 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 10:48pm Subject: a picture-perfect extraction brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Another witness, a retired prison guard who rushed to the scene after hearing the call on his police scanner, said he witnessed "a picture-perfect extraction," with no punches, kicks or weapons used. http://www.masslive.com/news/topstories/index.ssf?/base/news-2/110733424425295 2.xml 814 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 2:45pm Subject: bad/good use of scanners brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email First story shows bad use of scanner--second report shows that citizens recieved info that police might have wanted to "keep quiet"---My guess: so not to upset population---cop who spoke truth was "silenced" Bob MESA - The combination of a handgun, hair dye and a police scanner caught the attention of an alert warrants officer, leading to the arrest of a suspect in several armed robberies in the East Valley and a jewelry store heist in Tucson. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0129evrob.html A police scanner broadcast the morning after Addison was killed reported that some young people at Brien McMahon were flashing gang signs and there was concern that those individuals would go to Norwalk High. http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/scn-sa-chief5jan29,0,7062974.story? coll=stam-news-local-headlines 815 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 9:45pm Subject: GOOD/BAD SCANNER USES brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email When they’re not working similar shifts, the couple monitors each other’s whereabouts from home on a police scanner. “I’ll be at a traffic stop and all of a sudden my phone rings, and he’ll be like, ‘you know you can write him up for this,’” Angela Negrin said. http://www.gallatinnewsexaminer.com/news/stories/20050207/police%20officers.sh tml Problems continued. Even when police came, the troublemakers outfoxed them. Zomisky said they listened to a police scanner and signaled each other to leave when officers were en route. Eventually, Zomisky stopped calling police. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05037/453591.stm 816 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:01pm Subject: county-wide communications system brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hamilton Police Chief Neil Ferdelman and Hamilton Fire Chief Joseph Schutte, both present for the work session, said all of the county’s police and fire chiefs support the need for a county-wide communications system. For now, the consultants are recommending a committee representing the various police, fire and other emergency agencies be convened to develop specifications for the system. http://www.journal-news.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/02/11/HJN0211COMMUN ICATIONS_s.html?urac=n&urvf=11083242009520.13748260222957964 817 From: "walter" Date: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:19pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 510 ka1jfy Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Normally I don't like complete article postings, but I don't want to have to register for yet ANOTHER newspaper just to read this. Thanks Walter -- scan4good@yahoogroups.com wrote: There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. county-wide communications system From: worksntv@... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:01:34 EST From: worksntv@... Subject: county-wide communications system Hamilton Police Chief Neil Ferdelman and Hamilton Fire Chief Joseph Schutte, both present for the work session, said all of the county’s police and fire chiefs support the need for a county-wide communications system. For now, the consultants are recommending a committee representing the various police, fire and other emergency agencies be convened to develop specifications for the system. http://www.journal-news.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/02/11/HJN0211COMMUN ICATIONS_s.html?urac=n&urvf=11083242009520.13748260222957964 818 From: "Don" Date: Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:43pm Subject: Garage Door Opener ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email We also had this problem sometimes when AF-1 flew over Garage doors would open up Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12 th St., S. W. Washington, D. C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418- 0500 Internet: http:// www. fcc. gov TTY: 1- 888- 835- 5322 PRESS CONTACT: DA 05- 424 Bruce Romano: 202- 418- 2124 February 15, 2005 Consumers May Experience Interference To Their Garage Door Opener Controls Near Military Bases Consumers near certain military installations have recently experienced interference to their garage door opener controls that may reduce the operating distance or cause the device to stop operating. This public notice is issued to explain the cause of the interference and the steps being taken to alleviate this problem. The vast majority of consumers will not experience any interference to their garage door opener controls. Garage door openers operate, legally under Part 15 of the Commissions rules, at very low power on an "unlicensed basis," and have been permitted to operate on frequencies that have been reserved for the federal government since WWII for air/ ground communications systems, but received limited use by the government for many years. As unlicensed devices, there is no right to protection from interference. However, because of this limited use, the risk of interference was similarly limited, so manufacturers of garage door openers chose these frequencies for their transmit and receive devices. In response to the increased needs of homeland security, the Department of Defense now must make more use of these frequencies to deploy new mobile radio systems on and around certain military bases. Some consumers near these bases may experience interference to their garage door openers that can reduce operating range or cause the remote control to cease functioning. This interference will not cause the garage doors to open or close on their own. Inside the garage, wall- mounted push buttons will not be affected by any interference that might occur, and will continue to operate normally. It is not possible to predict in advance which specific users or locations near military bases may experience interference, because of the variety of technical characteristics of garage door controls and configuration of the mobile radio systems. The Department of Defense is working with the National Telecommunications and Information Administration to make reasonable effort consistent with their mission requirements, and the Federal Communications Commission is working with the garage door opener industry to make every effort on their part, to minimize the impact to consumers. 1 For security reasons, the Department of Defense cannot make information broadly available in advance as to the deployment of the new mobile radio systems. Individual base commanders may make some information available to their local communities when appropriate. Garage door opener manufacturers stand ready to help consumers resolve any interference to their systems, including, in some cases, making available for purchase, a replacement transmitter and receiver that operate on a different frequency that is not used by the new mobile radio systems. Consumers experiencing interference should contact the manufacturer of the door opener control or their local installer for information on available immediate solutions. For further information on this Public Notice, please contact the FCC Call Center at 1- 888- CALL- FCC (1- 888- 225- 5322). \ 819 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:49am Subject: another example of how scanner helped police brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.mantecabulletin.com/articles/2005/02/18/news/news1.txt 820 From: worksntv@... Date: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:09pm Subject: just a thought brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email The following is an example of a newsroom thats able to use scanner xmissions as a "lead" to begin asking city officials about gang violence. When a community starts to scramble and/or use a system such as Open Sky/Pro Voice etc---then those "leads" to start the process of informing the public, begins to wane. Bob ======================= Here in the Advocate newsroom, hardly a night goes by without hearing on the police scanner reports of gunshots or fights involving youngsters somewhere in our city. I grew up here in Victoria. Gangs were nonexistent here during my high school years of the late '70s. The only gangs I heard of back then were in the movie "West Side Story" and the one with Alfalfa, Spanky and Buckwheat. http://www.thevictoriaadvocate.com/sports/sports/story/2584073p-2996532c.html 821 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:14am Subject: THIS CAN'T HAPPEN WITH OPEN SKY,PROVOICE ETC ETC brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Kevin Nalls of Montgomery, Ala., held up a store and then hailed a cab to make his getaway. Unfortunately for him, the cabbie liked to listen to a police scanner as he drove and recognized Nalls as the suspect just reported on the police radio. When Nalls jumped in and said, ``Let's go!'' the cabbie drove him about 20 feet before stopping directly in front of two patrol cars. When he told the officers he had their suspect in the back of his cab, they made a quick arrest. http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/entertainment/columnists/porters_people/10969002. htm?1c 822 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:14am Subject: You can never be sure who is listening. brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Things like this will not be possible once the Open Sky system goes on line ;-( Bob Two magazine solicitors accused of barging into an 80-year-old's Boulder home Thursday, beating him up and then robbing him, were arrested after police got an anonymous call from someone listening to a police scanner who happened to spot two men strolling down 28th Street who fit the description being aired on officers' radios. http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_3634897,00. html 824 From: "walter" Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:35pm Subject: Re: [PA-800MHZ] You can never be sure who is listening. ka1jfy Offline Offline Send Email Send Email That's what "they" said about P25 sytems, and before that, trunked systems. And look at the current scanners. Almost all flavors of trunking, AND P25 digital decoding. Unless Penn. encrypts their voice data, someone will develop and build a way to listen in. Walter -- worksntv@... wrote: Things like this will not be possible once the Open Sky system goes on line ;-( Bob Two magazine solicitors accused of barging into an 80-year-old's Boulder home Thursday, beating him up and then robbing him, were arrested after police got an anonymous call from someone listening to a police scanner who happened to spot two men strolling down 28th Street who fit the description being aired on officers' radios. http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_3634897,00. html Yahoo! Groups Links 825 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 8:23pm Subject: FIGHT OVER ACCESS CONTINUES brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A meeting of media managers, city leaders and police brass led to one decision in the stalemate over access to scanner traffic - a decision to meet again next week. Both sides - with lawyers present - aired concerns about the radio issue Wednesday at City Hall, but the roughly 90-minute meeting did not bring a compromise and the media did not rule out the possibility of a lawsuit. The next meeting will involve a small committee of representatives from each media outlet, police and the city. City leaders say no one, including the media, will be able to listen to police radio traffic, which will be entirely encrypted once the new 800 megahertz radio system is in place. Managers from the Times Record News, KAUZ-TV and KFDX-TV are fighting for the same access they've always had. http://www.timesrecordnews.com/trn/local_news/article/0,1891,TRN_5784_3663515, 00.html 826 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:26am Subject: LANDSDALE. PA DRUG DEALER AND SCANNER USE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Officers also allegedly found a police scanner‚ a police scanner guidebook and a hand-written document with the names and badge numbers of local officers‚ the affidavit states. http://www.thereporteronline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14379298&BRD=2275&PAG=46 1&dept_id=466404&rfi=6 827 From: "walter" Date: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:02pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 519 ka1jfy Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hint: If you add carats (<>) around links, they don't get broken, ie Walter -- scan4good@yahoogroups.com wrote: There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. LANDSDALE. PA DRUG DEALER AND SCANNER USE From: worksntv@... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:26:17 EDT From: worksntv@... Subject: LANDSDALE. PA DRUG DEALER AND SCANNER USE Officers also allegedly found a police scanner‚ a police scanner guidebook and a hand-written document with the names and badge numbers of local officers‚ the affidavit states. http://www.thereporteronline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14379298&BRD=2275&PAG=46 1&dept_id=466404&rfi=6 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Community email addresses: Post message: scan4good@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: scan4good-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: scan4good-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 828 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 0:17pm Subject: Va: good opportunity to uncover "secret" freqs brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email FYI for the CERT Comms group -- Volunteer Victims Needed for May 1 Exercise at Fairfax County Fire & Rescue Academy A mass-casualty exercise will be held on Sunday May 1st at the Fairfax County Fire & Rescue Academy, located at 4550 West Ox Road, between U.S. Rt. 29 (Lee Highway) and U.S. Rt. 50, near I66 west of Fairfax, VA. This large exercise will have over 70 Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) students from three classes participating and will take placeover the entire Fire Academy campus . Appoximately 120 "victims" are needed to provide a realistic disaster simulation. Victim volunteers must be at least 15 years old. Those under 18 must be accompanied by a parent or guardian. Anyone interested in volunteering to be a victim for this May 1 exercise should be at the Fire Academy by 0930 for moulage. Please wear clothes that can be stained and possibly torn. Wear several layers of clothing to stay warm and bring rain gear. Also bring snacks and bottled water or a bag lunch. Victims will be processed inside the academy and only lead outside just prior to the start of the exercise. The exercise is scheduled to start at approximately 1200 or 1230 and will last until about 3 pm. VA_EmCom encourages radio amateurs, GMRS users or others interested in CERT to join existing teams or offer to assist in organizing new teams in their neighborhoods or work sites. Volunteering to be a "victim" is a great opportunity to learn about FEMA's CERT program and experience it "up close and personal." For more information about CERT, please visit the web site: http://training.fema.gov/emiweb/CERT/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] In appreciation and recognition of all volunteer emergency communications organizations in the Commonwealth of Virginia and bordering states, regardless of the radio service from which they are rendered. All FCC licensed services, amateur, GMRS, business or government, as well as users of unlicensed services such as FRS and MURS, are welcome as long as they do public service to support the EmCom mission. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 829 From: worksntv@... Date: Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:15pm Subject: another example of scanner user helping police--Va brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A woman working at a convenience store, whose grandfather had called to warn her about the robber after hearing about it on a police scanner, spotted a man matching the description pumping gas. She wrote down the license plate number and called police. http://www.wvec.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D89O4AS00.html 830 From: "Don" Date: Thu May 19, 2005 5:48pm Subject: Michigan Scanner Law Change ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Some updated news regarding the Michigan Scanner Law. http://www.cheboygannews.com/articles/2005/05/19/news/news2.txt Happy scanning Don KA9QJG 831 From: "Don" Date: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:30am Subject: Scanning for Dummies ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Two-Way Radios & Scanners For Dummies http://tinyurl.com/9862r I will keep any thoughts to Myself Ha Ha Happy Scanning Don 832 From: "Don" Date: Thu Aug 4, 2005 6:34am Subject: New restrictive Florida scanner law ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Just saw this and Thought I would Post it Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG New restrictive Florida scanner law 3700 Section 95. Section 843.16, Florida Statutes, is amended 3701 to read: 3702 843.16 Unlawful to install or transport radio equipment 3703 using assigned frequency of state or law enforcement officers; 3704 definitions; exceptions; penalties.-- 3705 (1) A No person, firm, or corporation may not shall 3706 install or transport in any motor vehicle or business 3707 establishment, except an emergency vehicle or crime watch 3708 vehicle as herein defined or a place established by municipal, 3709 county, state, or federal authority for governmental purposes, 3710 any frequency modulation radio receiving equipment so adjusted 3711 or tuned as to receive messages or signals on frequencies 3712 assigned by the Federal Communications Commission to police or 3713 law enforcement officers or fire rescue personnel of any city or 3714 county of the state or to the state or any of its agencies. 3715 Provided, nothing herein shall be construed to affect any radio 3716 station licensed by the Federal Communications System or to 3717 affect any recognized newspaper or news publication engaged in 3718 covering the news on a full-time basis or any alarm system 3719 contractor certified pursuant to part II of chapter 489, 3720 operating a central monitoring system. 3721 (2) As used in this section, the term: 3722 (a) "Emergency vehicle" shall specifically mean: 3723 1. Any motor vehicle used by any law enforcement officer 3724 or employee of any city, any county, the state, the Federal 3725 Bureau of Investigation, or the Armed Forces of the United 3726 States while on official business; 3727 2. Any fire department vehicle of any city or county of 3728 the state or any state fire department vehicle; 3729 3. Any motor vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle by 3730 the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles when said 3731 vehicle is to be assigned the use of frequencies assigned to the 3732 state; 3733 4. Any motor vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle by 3734 the sheriff or fire chief of any county in the state when said 3735 vehicle is to be assigned the use of frequencies assigned to the 3736 said county; 3737 5. Any motor vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle by 3738 the chief of police or fire chief of any city in the state when 3739 said vehicle is to be assigned the use of frequencies assigned 3740 to the said city. 3741 (b) "Crime watch vehicle" means any motor vehicle used by 3742 any person participating in a citizen crime watch or 3743 neighborhood watch program when such program and use are 3744 approved in writing by the appropriate sheriff or chief of 3745 police where the vehicle will be used and the vehicle is 3746 assigned the use of frequencies assigned to the county or city. 3747 Such approval shall be renewed annually. 3748 (3) This section shall not apply to any holder of a valid 3749 amateur radio operator or station license issued by the Federal 3750 Communications Commission or to any recognized newspaper or news 3751 publication engaged in covering the news on a full-time basis or 3752 any alarm system contractor certified pursuant to part II of 3753 chapter 489, operating a central monitoring system. 3754 (4) Any person, firm, or corporation violating any of the 3755 provisions of this section commits shall be deemed guilty of a 3756 misdemeanor of the first second degree, punishable as provided 3757 in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. 3758 Section 96. Short title.--This section may be cited as the 3759 "Dori Slosberg Act of 2005." 833 From: worksntv@... Date: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:04pm Subject: Bend Bulletin - OR,USA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email If this system was Pro Voice, Open Sky or another proprietary system--This guy would be "locked out" Bob Tim Eiden, 50, knew it was time to leave his Twin Drive home when a description of the fire's afternoon rise came in over a police scanner he listens to on a regular basis. "They said it was a plume like Mount St. Helens," Eiden said. Thanks to the scanner, Eiden said his family was out of the house in less than half an hour. http://www.bendbulletin.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=17695 834 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Sep 1, 2005 8:06am Subject: Hattiesburg American - Hattiesburg,MS,USA brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Another example of someone with a scanner helping police--This will NOT be possible with Pa's Open Sky system. It's uses a proprietary system and not the national standard of "modulation" Bob Vedder’s father was listening to a police scanner at the time and called his daughter, and gave her a description of the suspect vehicle. She got into her car and began to follow the vehicle, talking on the phone with her father, who was also on the phone with 911 Central Dispatch. http://www.sturgisjournal.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=65&ArticleID=1 9320&TM=3374.926 835 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Sep 3, 2005 11:58am Subject: ANOTHER EXAMPLE brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Here's another example of how scanner listeners can help police/save lives. This is also another example if this happened with a radio system using Pro Voice, Open Sky or other proprietary "modulation" systems---The guys on the track would probably be dead. Bob ============================================= He heard over his police scanner that someone was lying on the railroad tracks just east of Erringer Road. An officer in one squad car came on the radio and said he was stuck in traffic and couldn’t make it in time. A second police car was even farther away. Saffelo had already realized that was only seconds away. http://www.simivalleyacorn.com/news/2005/0902/Front_Page/001.html 836 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:11pm Subject: UNIDEN 785D brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email I have searched through the manual but can't seem to find the following info--- IF you want to put in a pl/dpl MANUALLY and not using the computer program how does one do that??????????????????--Unless I am going blind---NO where does it explain this---it talks abt the scanner searching for a pl/dpl and how to enter the "found" tone---but does NOT explain how to do that manually HELP :_) Bob WB3DYE 837 From: Nunnie - Pam Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 7:22pm Subject: Heading to My Moms - Prayers Needed... :( nunnie Offline Offline Send Email Send Email HI All, We are getting ready to leave to go to Oregon to go see my Mom probably for the last time. Therefore I put myself on "No Mail". :) We will be leaving on Thursday and plan on being gone for at least 14 days or more. I'm not real sure when I'll be back and then I'm not sure when I'll be able to get back on my computer once we get back. It is a 14-16 hour drive and Rick plans on driving straight through. I KNOW this is really going to play havoc with me and my health. So it might be a week or more before I can get back on my computer again. So please don't remove me from the group if I'm not back for a while. :) Just as soon as I'm able I'll put myself back on "Mail". :) My Mom was diagnosed a couple months ago with Terminal Lung Cancer and given 3-6 months to live. Since I live in Montana and couldn't be there personally with her I been asking people to PLEASE, PLEASE send "Cards" to my Mom to cheer her up and give her the will to fight this awful disease. :( The cards have now slowed down to almost nothing. And as her health gets worse I'm getting worried about her going back into a depression and giving up. So... I was wondering if you would/could possibly please, please send a Card to her. Mom has been receiving cards and she is not the same person she was prior to the cards. She is laughing again... laughing with JOY and is getting up every day and taking an interest in life again instead of staying in bed. Her whole attitude has changed. She is now back in the world and has something to look forward to each day instead of giving up. :) These cards are truly helping her TREMENDOUSLY!!! My goal is to keep cards going to her until the day she is gone. That way when she is at the end, she will still have something to look forward to each day. If you would like to send a "Snail Mail" card as she doesn't have a computer or access to one to my Mom to let her know you are thinking of her or Praying for her, I sure would appreciate it. :) I know that it means a LOT to her and it would mean the world to me as well. :) You may send your cards to the following: CAROL SWENSON 1400 Candlelight Drive #136 Eugene, OR 97402 USA If you would like an idea of what kinds of things she likes... well she LOVES cats. She also LOVES Dolphins and Sharpei doggies. Any type of Christian card is thoroughly appreciated as well. So perhaps you might have a card laying around that has one of those things on it. :) I made up a web site that says basically this same thing that I post updates on. If you would like to pass this on to friends or family or other on-line groups you're in... perhaps a church group, please feel free to do so. The more cards the better. :) Feel free to copy what I've written here if you would like or choose your owns words. The web site URL is: http://www.nunnie.com/mom.html I would like to thank you very much. Even if you don't send a card please keep my Mom and our family in your Prayers and thoughts. Anyhow... Thanks a lot. As soon as I can... when we get back... I'll put myself back on mail. :) Thank You and God Bless You!! Nunnie - Pam pam@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 839 From: "Don" Date: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:57am Subject: Police Call Book ka9qjg1 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Gene Hughes retirement http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69133,00.html He will Be Missed Too Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG 840 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 3, 2005 8:19pm Subject: How a scanner helped brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email A dispatcher saw Voiers taking the statue and put out a call to officers. Carriage driver Thomas Tharp heard the broadcast on his police scanner and cantered to the nativity at Basin Park. He relayed the van's license number to police, who pulled over the vehicle that held Voiers and several family members. In all, three police cars were at the scene. http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5760953.html ================================= The above assistance to police would not have happened if a system such as Pro Voice or Open Sky was in use. Bob 841 From: "walter" Date: Mon Dec 5, 2005 5:57am Subject: Re: [PA-800MHZ] How a scanner helped ka1jfy Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Or MPT1327, or TETRA, or Multi-Net. Or encrypted P25! Walter -- worksntv@... wrote: A dispatcher saw Voiers taking the statue and put out a call to officers. Carriage driver Thomas Tharp heard the broadcast on his police scanner and cantered to the nativity at Basin Park. He relayed the van's license number to police, who pulled over the vehicle that held Voiers and several family members. In all, three police cars were at the scene. http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5760953.html ================================= The above assistance to police would not have happened if a system such as Pro Voice or Open Sky was in use. Bob 842 From: "Harry" Date: Fri Dec 9, 2005 3:58pm Subject: Re: [PA-800MHZ] How a scanner helped n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Or by MDT. --- In scan4good@yahoogroups.com, "walter" wrote: > > Or MPT1327, or TETRA, or Multi-Net. > Or encrypted P25! > > Walter > > -- worksntv@a... wrote: > Carriage driver Thomas Tharp heard the broadcast on his police scanner and > cantered to the nativity at Basin Park. > ================================= > > The above assistance to police would not have happened if a system such as > Pro Voice or Open Sky was in use. > > Bob > 843 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:05am Subject: example: scanner listener HELPS police brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email This would NOT be possible if the system used was Open Sky, Pro Voice etc etc. Bob The sheriff's department sent a description of the vehicle by radio to other area departments. A volunteer firefighter in Henry County observed the vehicle after hearing the alert on his emergency radio scanner. He contacted Henry County and New Castle police, who made the arrest, authorities said http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051203/NEWS01/5120303 29/1002 844 From: worksntv@... Date: Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:44am Subject: scanner listener helps police brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email http://www.wkyc.com/akron/akron_article.aspx?storyid=45097 845 From: Dennison Twp Fire Police Date: Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:16pm Subject: Re: scanner listener helps police Rob@... Send Email Send Email At 10:44 AM 12/29/2005, WORKSNTV@... wrote: >http://www.wkyc.com/akron/akron_article.aspx?storyid=45097 This won't happen with 'Open Sky' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 846 From: worksntv@... Date: Mon Jan 2, 2006 7:10pm Subject: new scanning group brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Please check out the following group I have created and consider joining! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA-PL_DPLS 73' Bob WB3DYE 847 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:08pm Subject: when scanners go silent brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email As we all know when Pa's new 800 Mhz system comes on line---scanners will no longer be able to listen to State Police and other state comms. That because the "modulation" system being used by Ma/Com is not the national standard. Here's some examples of how scanner listeners have helped law enforcement. The first article reports about a Sheriff who WANTS people to monitor his departments radio channels Bob http://somd.com/news/headlines/articles/2730.shtml http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/11812974p-12529525c.html http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA122405.robberies.kens.1cc9c c64.html http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051203/NEWS01/5120303 29/1002 http://www.uniondemocrat.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=18764 http://www.sturgisjournal.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=65&ArticleID=1 9320&TM=3374.926 http://www.wvec.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D89O4AS00.html http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13938286&BRD=1697&PAG=461&dept_id=44 551&rfi=6 http://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/articles/2005/02/10/news/news6.txt http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-01272005-439573.html http://www.simivalleyacorn.com/news/2005/0902/Front_Page/001.html 848 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:38pm Subject: when scanners go silent brey1234 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email As we all know when Pa's new 800 Mhz system comes on line---scanners will no longer be able to listen to State Police and other state comms. That because the "modulation" system being used by Ma/Com is not the national standard. Here's some examples of how scanner listeners have helped law enforcement. The first article reports about a Sheriff who WANTS people to monitor his departments radio channels Bob http://somd.com/news/headlines/articles/2730.shtml http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/11812974p-12529525c.html http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA122405.robberies.kens.1cc9c c64.html http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051203/NEWS01/5120303 29/1002 http://www.uniondemocrat.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=18764 http://www.sturgisjournal.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=65&ArticleID=1 9320&TM=3374.926 http://www.wvec.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D89O4AS00.html http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13938286&BRD=1697&PAG=461&dept_id=44 551&rfi=6 http://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/articles/2005/02/10/news/news6.txt http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-01272005-439573.html http://www.simivalleyacorn.com/news/2005/0902/Front_Page/001.html 849 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:28pm Subject: Michigan "anti-scanner" law about to be dropped? n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Both houses of the Michigan legislature today (2/21) agreed on the final language and passed a sweeping revision to the state's law prohibiting scanners in vehicles without a permit from the State Police. It now goes to the Governor for his signature. If signed it will take effect 90 days thereafter. It eliminates the need for a permit (which reportedly costs the state $40k a year and one employee's full time work), and prohibits possession of a scanner by a person convicted of a felony within the previous five years (unless they're a ham licensee) or possession of a scanner during the commission of any crime, other than minor offenses which carry a punishment of less than 93 days imprisonment... which would be most traffic offenses. No more need for a MSP permit or amateur radio license. *Assuming* it is signed by hizzonor the guv'nor, so I wouldn't toss your mermits out just yet. This will revise Michigan's section 508 (MCL 750.508), previously 1931 PA 328, and one of if not *the* country's oldest laws against having a "police" receiver in a vehicle, CL 1929, § 578 from August of 1929. http://harrymarnell.com/images/1929_Michiganlaw.pdf Text of the bill as passed at 10:17 a.m. CST this morning is at http://198.109.173.11/documents/200...05-HNB-4544.htm (text format) or http://198.109.173.11/documents/200...05-HNB-4544.pdf Harry / N6URU 850 From: "Harry Marnell" Date: Wed Feb 22, 2006 0:11am Subject: CORRECTED LINKS Re: Michigan scanner law n6uru Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Oops. The bill as passed this morning is at text format: http://tinyurl.com/qct3q or http://198.109.173.11/documents/2005-2006/billenrolled/House/htm/2005-HNB-4544.h\ tm or in pdf at http://tinyurl.com/ogsws or http://198.109.173.11/documents/2005-2006/billenrolled/House/pdf/2005-HNB-4544.p\ df Harry 851 From: worksntv@... Date: Sun Mar 5, 2006 8:09 pm Subject: Illegal scanner in New York State brey1234 Offline Send Email The driver, Carlyle Carson, 29, of Middletown, had a suspended driver’s license and officers found seven small bags of marijuana and five of cocaine in the car. They also found a scanner, tuned into the Middletown police, Town of Wallkill police and state police frequencies, which is illegal, in the car, Freeman said. http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2006/03/04/brf274.htm 852 From: "Don" Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:36 pm Subject: Bad ol Scanner Users ka9qjg Offline Send Email Well Here We go again of Police /Fire Etc. Upgrading their Communications Systems not because they are better and Cost the Taxpayers Millions, But Don't attempt to listen to see How Your Money is being used,. In Most cases but Because of Misconceptions like this That the Bad old Scanner Listeners will Never be able to Listen again or Spend as this Dept was told Quote "Just going to a digital upgrade would have made it that you had to get a $2,000 system to listen," said Homer Police Chief http://www.homernews.com/stories/031506/news_031606new006.shtml Article also on http://www.radioreference.com/ And You can make Comments about it Be Civil. Ha Ha Well lets See Calumet City 856.2125 Was Told That too, and Hammond Indiana and Many others, Scanner Listeners, we must be a bad bunch for Some to spend all this to keep up for listening Oh well We will Just not tell them about the Trunking Scanners and New Digital Scanners Some are told cost $ 2000 plus. And us Poor Scanner Listeners will not be able to Afford. Maybe Drug dealers and Bad People can Pay that But wait Every time I see a Article in the Paper or Something in the News about that Bad person also had a Police Scanner. But wait a Minute how in the World did they get caught then, and as We all Know Scanners only Receive Police Nothing Else Yea right. I won't even go into the Fact that it is a Bad sometimes to upgrade a System leaving the Neighboring Communities You work with Everyday and sometimes depend on each other at 3AM but they have no idea what is going on. Sorry for the Rant, But it early and I have only had one cup of Coffee But I did turn the Scanners on Happy Scanning Don KA9QJG 853 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 1, 2006 11:12 am Subject: scanner listener helps pd brey1234 Offline Send Email Another example of using a non propriety system and comms in the clear helped police. Bob Swindle said that as police searched for the suspects, a phone call led them to the right location. "We received a call at 9:39 p.m. last night from a citizen who had been monitoring scanner traffic and thought the suspects had just pulled into the La Michoacana Meat Market," he said. The caller described the vehicle as a dark truck with a Hispanic driver. "We don't know who the person is who called us, but he deserves a lot of credit," Swindle said. "We would like to know who that person is and would like to talk to them." http://www.tylerpaper.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16365734&BRD=19 94&PAG=461&dept_id=226369&rfi=6 854 From: worksntv@... Date: Sat Apr 1, 2006 11:34 am Subject: 2 examples of how scanner listeners help police brey1234 Offline Send Email These 2 incidents would not be possible if the PD's were using some type of propriety system Bob More examples of systems that are not propriety and are in the clear can be a benefit to law enforcement. Bob Police report that a passenger in the vehicle, James Grey, 25 of Homosassa Fla. was immediately taken into custody, but that Wright fled from the scene on foot, and was later apprehended after a local motorist with a police scanner reported seeing a white male fitting Wright's description. http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060327/NEWS/603270351/1 003/NEWS02 While Stone was receiving medical attention, Ramos and Saucedo were spotted by a citizen who had heard about the incident on a police scanner. The man called police and reported he thought the suspects were at a meat market on South Beckham Avenue. After spotting police, the two men fled and engaged in a gunbattle with Tyler police officers during a pursuit that ended when the suspects hit another motorist on Texas Highway 64 East. http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=29505